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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by hajidel: 2:52pm On Oct 05, 2018 |
We are not here to get taught on governance or criticism or lack thereof. No one neglected the asian woman that racked up that enormous bill, it is totally wrong and one of the reasons the visa officers get skeptical. And yes it is not our business what Canadians decide upon, but in this point in time, jus soli is legal in Canada so whether the people living in Canada are happy or not about it then let them change the constitution accordingly and obviously this will not be a topic of discussion if that happens. But until then. Another point here the poster or couple of posts prior visa adjudication is subjective, and this particular officer showed that exactly that he is not one of the people that like jus soli. As @mslala said, one officer might refuse you visa and with the same documentations, another officer will grant you the same class of visa. They have absolute power to exercise. P.S. The rejection that you mentioned there is standard because the officer knows he cannot state that this person wants to give birth in Canada so I will not give them visa, then trust me that officer will be put on audit and possibly suspension because it is not against the Canadian law. SO its a normal template that they will have to give reason for a refusal according to the law and they hide behind the financial and asset things. I can tell you that I know of a serious rich man, with over 20 properties that each property is worth at least 200,000 US dollars and other assets that can amount to no less than 2,000,000 US Dollar and he has a business that turns over easily 200-300k USD on average each month and this individual has extensive travel history that use to travel every other week but has since stopped because of age. And guess what, he was refused Canada visa twice. maternal: |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by hajidel: 2:52pm On Oct 05, 2018 |
We are not here to get taught on governance or criticism or lack thereof. No one neglected the asian woman that racked up that enormous bill, it is totally wrong and one of the reasons the visa officers get skeptical. And yes it is not our business what Canadians decide upon, but in this point in time, jus soli is legal in Canada so whether the people living in Canada are happy or not about it then let them change the constitution accordingly and obviously this will not be a topic of discussion if that happens. But until then. Another point here the poster or couple of posts prior visa adjudication is subjective, and this particular officer showed that exactly that he is not one of the people that like jus soli. As @mslala said, one officer might refuse you visa and with the same documentations, another officer will grant you the same class of visa. They have absolute power to exercise. P.S. The rejection that you mentioned there is standard because the officer knows he cannot state that this person wants to give birth in Canada so I will not give them visa, then trust me that officer will be put on audit and possibly suspension because it is not against the Canadian law. SO its a normal template that they will have to give reason for a refusal according to the law and they hide behind the financial and asset things. I can tell you that I know of a serious rich man, with over 20 properties that each property is worth at least 200,000 US dollars and other assets that can amount to no less than 2,000,000 US Dollar and he has a business that turns over easily 200-300k USD on average each month and this individual has extensive travel history that use to travel every other week but has since stopped because of age. And guess what, he was refused Canada visa twice. maternal: |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by maternal: 4:23pm On Oct 05, 2018 |
hajidel: As they say, there's both side of the story then the truth. You're only hearing this woman's narrative/side of the story. I'm sure if the officer came on this board, his side of the story would be different. The fact people assume she's automatically telling the truth because she's a regular here is comical. How many Nigerians who met requirements to get a visa, got one, and never returned ? Do you know about the crisis with Nigerians happening at the Canadian border now ? The visa officer has to take everything into account, even if you meet all requirements on paper. And I'm sure the federal government has told visa officers to reduce the visa's given out to Nigerians. They even begged the trump administration to do the same, with Nigerians now claiming refugee in Canada left and right coming from the U.S. But I have to repeat, whether it's right, legal, etc to do so in Canada, it's nobody's business but Canadian citizens. If Canadians aren't complaining, which they are not, nothing will happen. Everyone in naija can bone their face all they want. Foreign governments don't respect Nigerians, because at the end of the day, their government doesn't either. But lastly, she can easily appeal, and if he did do something wrong, it will be found without a doubt. Canada is not a banana republic and laws are followed/enforced. If the visa officer is bias/corrupted, it will inevitably be found in an investigation. Though it'll take a while as the investigation would be lengthy. My 2 cents 1 Like |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Mslala: 4:59pm On Oct 05, 2018 |
@maternal, I'm not a regular here and the post sharing my experience was my first post ever on Nairaland. There are always three sides to a story but I have nothing to gain from lying. Like I said the interview was good for me and gave me closure so I have moved on and have no interest whatsoever in appealing. Luckily I have a valid U.S visa so I'll have my baby in U.S. But I think it is insincere to insist on full disclosure regarding having your baby in Canada and then meet such prejudice. At least, U.S visa application process is not this prejudiced, and actually recognizes /permits birth tourism in their visa application process. Please anyone who has disclosed childbirth solely (without any medical/health issue) as the reason for the visa application and received an approval should please share their experience. 4 Likes |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by hajidel: 8:29pm On Oct 05, 2018 |
Thank you @Mslala I think I will move on together with you because clearly it seems maternal thinks we are being biased or ignorant with his own views and 'facts' that he is telling us. By the way @Mslala there are a few people here that have posted there experiences that have successfully gotten a visa even after stating childbirth as their purpose. I'm not sure what page, but if you have the time, you could go through again the thread and you will find it. Mslala: |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Nobody: 10:29pm On Oct 05, 2018 |
Mslala:Challenge that if u can and still go to the States. You need to clear ways for others who could be subjected to that personal bias. Anyway, I hope sb does challenge that dude. |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Demi007: 7:23am On Oct 09, 2018 |
Gayl: Hi, My application was denied. You may or may not state it when applying. Good luck |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Datsinn: 1:12pm On Oct 09, 2018 |
Pls I nid help for an affordable hospital and Dr fee in Calgary or close to Calgary. @hotstepper-pls can u forward d contact of the person u know in the Nigerian embassy. Thanks |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by hajidel: 9:18pm On Oct 10, 2018 |
Demi007: Its better to state that you want to give birth than risk being turned away at POE. They are getting more vigilant at the POE nowadays. However, when applying make sure you back up your application with tons of evidence (FINANCIAL being most important in this case; no amount is too large for this endeavor as complications (touch wood) may arise and in that case bill can run into hundreds of thousands of dollars), if you have contacted hospitals, include those correspondences, reasons that will compel you to return to Naija after the birth (letter from work, work experiences / career prospects, spouse, social connections). And of course make sure you include a detailed letter with spreadsheet for the financials you will undertake not least about dates of prospective appointments, their costs, accommodation costs, average food costs per day, transportation etc. You cannot be detailed enough especially when the odds are against and the onus is on us especially for giving birth. |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Datsinn: 4:55pm On Oct 13, 2018 |
rannies: Pls can you help with the name of the doctor u used and baby care in pl is 2080 not 1080 and didn't u pay admission fee |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Hotstepper(f): 7:33pm On Oct 13, 2018 |
u can noe apply for visa on arrival for ur baby online Datsinn: |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Datsinn: 11:17am On Oct 15, 2018 |
Pls what is the name of the doctor you used. Thanks. jinnyz: 1 Like |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Datsinn: 8:06pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
Pls nadnad, where u charged 3000 from the beginning when u cald the doctors office. I cald fr kulach office today and the secretary said I have to deposit 5000.pls help me out. Nadnad: |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Datsinn: 8:58pm On Oct 15, 2018 |
Hello ranni, pls what doctor did u use later and ur full bill and also will like to know how u applied for the birth registrationand certificate. Thanks rannies: |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by omopeace4luv: 1:37pm On Oct 16, 2018 |
Pls I need help with the travel certificate, my flight is in two days pls jinnyz: 2 Likes |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by hajidel: 2:24pm On Oct 16, 2018 |
omopeace4luv: Please do take the time to read and digest information. It was clearly stated that one can get cert issued on arrival if you send an email and inform them of your impending date of arrival and necessary bio info. |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Mslala: 5:13pm On Oct 17, 2018 |
Hotstepper: I was discussing with my friend who is a PR holder in Canada this weekend and she said she just learnt that the Canadian Government pays its citizens that are children $650 CAD monthly and that she was told of a Nigerian Lady (who gave birth to triplet and returned to Nigeria) that receives $1950 CAD monthly for her triplets from the Canadian Government. My friend confirmed that the Canadian Government pays her son who is not a Canadian citizen some money every month. @Hotstepper, please is this accurate i.e. that Canadian Government pays its citizens that are children certain sums every month? Because this could be one of the immediate benefits that the VO was frowning at and referring to as an abuse of the system. Thanks. 1 Like |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by maternal: 11:39pm On Oct 17, 2018 |
Mslala: It's true. Money is given to your child along with many other benefits. But I think the mother or parent(s) now has to be living in Canada. I doubt they'd be sending her dollars while in naija. I think they've changed that rule. As for the son, unless he's at least a PR and living in Canada, I can't see the gov't giving him money. Why would they ? |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by salford1: 7:55am On Oct 18, 2018 |
maternal:I know of 2 different parents with PRs that went back to Naija with their kids but where still getting paid child benefit into a bank account in Canada. However, audit picked both family's ilegal runs. The goverment could easily tell when the kids or parents were no longer in Canada. Both families were mandated to refund the money with interest on their return to Canada. 1 Like |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by salford1: 8:02am On Oct 18, 2018 |
Mslala:I think its 500 or 550 per child for PRs and citizens. The parents i believe will need to have a SIN and be PRs or international students that have spent a year in Canada before they can receive child benefits for their kid(s). I do not believe the triplet story except the mum or dad is a permanent resident. If one of the parents is a PR, and they are currently living in Nigeria, the goverment would eventually find out and the money would be refunded with interest. It is similar to owing tax after filing a tax return. 1 Like |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Mslala: 10:12am On Oct 18, 2018 |
maternal: Her son is a PR. |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Hotstepper(f): 6:42pm On Oct 18, 2018 |
Every month, the govt pays the parents of kids 18 yrs nd under what is called Child Benefit for the kids. Now, this amount each family gets depends on family income which is determined once u file for your mandatory yearly income tax. The lower the family income, the more you get which wont exceed 650 per child. Also, the age of the kids also depends how much each child will get as the younger the child is, the more his or her need. for example, new borns nd toddlers ...once the child turn 6, it reduces a bit. infact as of 5 yrs ago, they stopped at 6 but new govt came nd said let them continue till 18. Now what u use the money is up to the person and the money is paid to mothers or the primary care taker of the kids . For the child to recieve it, one of the parents must reside in Canada as a refugee, PRa or permenent. If ypu are outaide the country nd they find out which thwy usually do for more than a period of time , u will have to pay bk what u recieved. Mslala: 1 Like |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Nobody: 9:10am On Oct 19, 2018 |
Hotstepper: Aha this maybe what's fueling refugee . If ppl get benefits whilst claiming asylum. Hmm. A number of PR have moved back though I hope they know this clause and don't get themselves in trouble. Those who moved back came because their lot was better in Nigeria so they are waiting for better work opportunities |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Mslala: 10:57am On Oct 19, 2018 |
Hotstepper: Thanks @Hotstepper for the clarification. |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Hotstepper(f): 9:15pm On Oct 19, 2018 |
If they are in Nigeria, they will find out. u cannot cheat the system. If they file their income tax, are they going to claim 0? Also, if they have school age kids from 4, thats another thing. Nigerians sha, na we dey do ourselves. u know u dont wanna libe abroad,why apply? salsera: |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Nobody: 11:27am On Oct 29, 2018 |
Pls what’s happening to this thread?are people no longer going to Canada for birthing?pls let’s make this thread come alive or is birthing in Canada now illegal Thanks fam 2 Likes |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Vgil100: 3:46pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Hello all, I appreciate this forum . Pls I am new here.where do I start from concerning birthing in Canada.I am totally ignorant. Affordable but quality doctors and hospital appointment, poe requirement in terms of docs,money etc, accommodation. Pls help me |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by 9JAFULLBREED(m): 4:34pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Vgil100: I think you should start reading from page 1 |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Vgil100: 4:39pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
9JAFULLBREED: Yes,certainly doing that already. I was just hoping to get some sort of current summary. |
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Nobody: 5:05pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
This is a DIY forum..the pages are not long at all..read thoroughly and come up with specific questions Vgil100: |
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