Let's assume that we cap Ebere Eze against Libya and then something happens...Say he gets injured or his career doesn't go well (I won't wish for such on him) and we stop inviting him,the same people who were calling for his inclusion in the first place will b the same to accuse us of dumping him...

TheSuperNerd:
And the answer is Crystal clear. As at 2016, both players were not close to being ready for the war of the World cup Qualifiers which we were to execute in Africa's Group of death.

We badly needed a return to an international tournament after missing out on two Afcons and you were clamoring for rookies and neonates who had done nothing at the time to come bolster our attack??!! Think man.... Think!!! Haba!
Cameroun would have had us for dinner and Algeria would have raped us.

That was why I reeled out the other neonates in 2016 like Ogo On, Adarabioyo and others for you too to clamouring because back then you no dey hear word about focusing on the players that will get the job done and have the requisite experience instead of flying with just in baby potential.

What did Iwobi do before he was called to the national team? Nada That is exactly what I am talking about.

The point is, many here lacks the foresight. Simple and short. No need for stories

Please thesupernerd help me with the name of the fb players the nff invited when the bf game was call off

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What did Iwobi do before he was called to the national team? Nada That is exactly what I am talking about.

The point is, many here lacks the foresight. Simple and short. No need for stories

Iwobi was called up in 2015. At that time we had failed to qualify for another afcon and we were on a rebuilding mission...so Iwobi's callup was understandable..
We are on a serious mission this time around..Maybe if we click the afcon ticket in Johannesburg next month we can cap the Josh Maja,Ejaria etc..
But if they get capped by England,we should just move on... They aren't the first neither will they be the last talented players to.emerge from England youth team

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Exactly! They don't know that all these calls for capping A, capping B or C for the "future" comes at a Price.

When Rohr was capping Osimhen for the future and then we lost to SA what did he do? He discarded him and went for strikers who could give him immediate result. We were 1-0 down against SA we needed to bring in another striker just to add to the striking force but unfortunately the reserve fire power we had was an uncapped inexperienced 19years old Osimhen whose major aim of being in the team was to train with the others. That is what capping a player who is not ready can do to your team. It limits your options. Rohr learnt it in a hard way. Did you see him do it again?

Rohr had to assess K. Nwakali with the Athletico and Liberia games because they were almost meaningless. Even against a lowly Seychelles Rohr did not try playing K. Nwakali, not even when we were 3-0 up!

When he was clamoring for this Josh Maja was even when we were about to commence the WCQ! You have not secured your result for today u are capping for the future . Ask Rohr how far.

What did Iwobi do before he was called to the national team at that crucial time?

The boy even almost changed the game against Egypt.

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That question is left for the opposition to answer.

It's not about calling random names, it's about the ability to spot one among a million. That is what set up apart.

The opposition told you then that the boy was not ready and even now that the boy cannot displace any of the current strikers. So what did and has tribalism got to do with that?

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Iwobi was called up in 2015. At that time we had failed to qualify for another afcon and we were on a rebuilding mission...so Iwobi's callup was understandable..
We are on a serious mission this time around..Maybe if we click the afcon ticket in Johannesburg next month we can cap the Josh Maja,Ejaria etc..
But if they get capped by England,we should just move on... They aren't the first neither will they be the last talented players to.emerge from England youth team

That was just the third time we failed to qualify. Check your records. Thanks

Na so Cameroon take lose Mbappe. Now, France dey win laurel because of am.

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The opposition told you then that the boy was not ready and even now that the boy cannot displace any of the current strikers. So what did and has tribalism got to do with that?

Was Iwobi ready?

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See me clapping.

Asking for players to be thrown away without replacement. Lol.

Just yesterday charlsemeka was saying also that we should do away with likes of Ogu, Onazi, Mikel and Joel. Ok, name replacements asides Eze he was mentioning Billings and Ejaria. Players that don't even have Nigerian passports yet.

I particularly like those 3 words u used NEW, UNTESTED and UNPROVEN. Those are the kind of players that are always the best players for them. Nigerian fans will not cease to amaze. They will not learn. That is why every World Cup we keep producing the youngest team with an inexperience tag, calling them a team for the future. Only to throw them out again looking for another group of "young, Hungary fresh bloods".

I am whole-heartedly with Rohr on his players selection. The only player I wished he had included was Ebere Eze. Team building is a gradual process. Massively throwing away old players and flooding the team with new players will only cause more harm to the team.

Safari like a quote you made recently " there is no best player anywhere ". This same Iheanacho they are attacking if he was not playing for the Super Eagles yet and is posting this same kind of performance at Leicester City we for no hear word here. They would have hyped him to high heavens and even threaten to kill Rohr if he doesn't Cap him.

Thank you! Some guys here were making demaria gray seem like the next big star just to prove kelechi was useless last season, even when there was nothing spectacular about him asides showboating and selfish play.

If Kelechi were to be foreign born, the same people would have been shouting for him to be invited and capped. But since he's already ours, he's ordinary. We just want to be inviting anybody that bears a Nigerian name and was born outside Nigeria.

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What did Iwobi do before he was called to the national team at that crucial time?

The boy even almost changed the game against Egypt.

Iwobi's talent and potentials were so very obvious for everyone to see. I don't think any right thinking person here objected to his invitation.

As at that time the Super Eagles was lacking in the AM position because even Mikel was playing DM at Chelsea and CM for the Super Eagles.

Iwobi featured prominently in Arsenal's preseason tour. Iwobi was 19 and just got promoted to Arsenal's Senior team while Josh Maja was just 17 playing for Sundaland Youth team.

All players do not have equal abilities. And also the need to quickly fill a gap in the team determines how quickly youngsters will get included. If someone like Iheanacho emerged at the time we had likes of Yakubu, Martins, Utaka, Osaze and Ike Uche as strikers you think he will get his cap as quickly as he did?

Fact that Iheanacho and Iwobi got callups at 18/19 doesn't mean every other player should get same.

We also called up a new player from the championship in Semi Ajayi. It shows we, at the very least, are trying to recruit some good quality out of the very many FBs out there.

And I am for us capping as many as we can but the reality is that it won't happen that way. That is the truth. We have a team we are building upon and we cannot call up all those names you reeled out at the same time or within same period.

Do you remember when the long list of FBs used to include Iwobi, Aina, Idowu, Ebuehi, Semi Ajayi (when he was at Arsenal youth), etc?

Now look how far we have come... We got some of these now and so far our recruitment of these players have been largely vindicated. They are all contributing in their own ways to the good and growth of the team. But it all did not happen at once. Team building must be considered alongside the recruitmemt drive. It is not all that straightforward.

The only negative I see now is missing out on capping Eze Ebere in this international window. He addresses a problem we have in the team. But now Rohr admits his mistake stylishly and now knows he would have to go through the wahala process of switching allegiance to Nigeria from England after the lad is capped for the England U-20s. And I believe even Ebere Eze is willing to switch as it is his dream to play for us according to the last time I read reports on his international aspirations. But we must make the first step by beginning his allegiance switch process and I hope we do.


Now in conclusion... I understand England is a threat to us having some of these quality youngsters hence the need to beat England at their own game but I cannot say now that because of these, we must prioritise the FBs first and only above our other fine prospects of indigenous extraction that are now based in Europe. We must be balanced in our approach to both camps of prospects. Josh Maja is a fine prospect but so also is Awoniyi, Osimhen and a host of others.

I would say that we make the most pressing issues in our team the topmost priority, before any other, among the foreign borns in our recruitment drive. If I were head of the scouting and recruitmemt team, this will be my approach. It would be targeting first the FB prospects that addresses the weakness in our team before considering going after any other FB prospect that only multiplies our options in our strong depts. Finito.

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This is not about future prospect only it is about loosing future prospects FB to England desperate to have them all.

Is England dull to call players from championship? No but they just did.

Every country has learnt never to joke with dual citizen prospect. That is the point.

Eze, Onomah, Ejara, Billing, Maja, Lookman, Sheyi, or any Nigerian perceived to be a huge talent should be approached and capped once and for all.


Eze and Maja are the easiest because they don't necessarily paper work to play for Nigeria. Simple

it seems CAF has kicked out sierra Leone from AFCON qualifier their double header with Ghana has been cancelled

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Was Iwobi ready?

Iwobi was ready to fill a vacant AM position left by Silvester Igboun and Sonne Aluko.

Iwobi was called up not just as a prospect but also to address a problem in the team in the Attacking Midfield roles. Oliseh picked that up when he called up the lad.

But in the case of Josh Maja... We have a couple of others also doing very well in their leagues of his age range like Osimhen and Awoniyi plus the mighty fact that we are well stocked in the attacking Dept. Josh cannot displace anyone in that team. Fact. But Iwobi could slot in because we were lacking options in the creative dept.

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What did Iwobi do before he was called to the national team? Nada That is exactly what I am talking about.

The point is, many here lacks the foresight. Simple and short. No need for stories

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Exactly! They don't know that all these calls for capping A, capping B or C for the "future" comes at a Price.

When Rohr was capping Osimhen for the future and then we lost to SA what did he do? He discarded him and went for strikers who could give him immediate result. We were 1-0 down against SA we needed to bring in another striker just to add to the striking force but unfortunately the reserve fire power we had was an uncapped inexperienced 19years old Osimhen whose major aim of being in the team was to train with the others. That is what capping a player who is not ready can do to your team. It limits your options. Rohr learnt it in a hard way. Did you see him do it again?

Rohr had to assess K. Nwakali with the Athletico and Liberia games because they were almost meaningless. Even against a lowly Seychelles Rohr did not try playing K. Nwakali, not even when we were 3-0 up!

When he was clamoring for this Josh Maja was even when we were about to commence the WCQ! You have not secured your result for today u are capping for the future. Ask Rohr how far.

Chaaaaiiii... Odogwu'm... Well said Again Chief!

superbloke:

Thank you! Some guys here were making demaria gray seem like the next big star just to prove kelechi was useless last season, even when there was nothing spectacular about him asides showboating and selfish play.

If Kelechi were to be foreign born, the same people would have been shouting for him to be invited and capped. But since he's already ours, he's ordinary. We just want to be inviting anybody that bears a Nigerian name and was born outside Nigeria.

Exactly!

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Iwobi's talent and potentials were so very obvious for everyone to see. I don't think any right thinking person here objected to his invitation.

As at that time the Super Eagles was lacking in the AM position because even Mikel was playing DM at Chelsea and CM for the Super Eagles.

Iwobi featured prominently in Arsenal's preseason tour. Iwobi was 19 and just got promoted to Arsenal's Senior team while Josh Maja was just 17 playing for Sundaland Youth team.

All players do not have equal abilities. And also the need to quickly fill a gap in the team determines how quickly youngsters will get included. If someone like Iheanacho emerged at the time we had likes of Yakubu, Martins, Utaka, Osaze and Ike Uche as strikers you think he will get his cap as quickly as he did?

Fact that Iheanacho and Iwobi got callups at 18/19 doesn't mean every other player should get same.

A 19 year old Iheanacho for no smell even ballboy for wia those men dem dey not to talk of debut sef....... Martins that was our Weapon of mass destruction then... Yakubu called the Yak... Utaka nicknamed the attacker... Osaze the flying russinigerian... Ike Uche the dazzler!! Haba!!! Nacho for wait tire.... Lol

Okay... But I need to be clear about what you mean by "bf". Can't wrap my head around what it means right now. Lol

maidaboi:
Please thesupernerd help me with the name of the fb players the nff invited when the bf game was call off

TheSuperNerd:



A 19 year old Iheanacho for no smell even ballboy for wia those men dem dey not to talk of debut sef....... Martins that was our Weapon of mass destruction then... Yakubu called the Yak... Utaka nicknamed the attacker... Osaze the flying russinigerian... Ike Uche the dazzler!! Haba!!! Nacho for wait tire.... Lol

E come be Josh Maja.

Na so dem dey invite players?

TheSuperNerd:

Okay... But I need to be clear about what you mean by "bf". Can't wrap my head around what it means right now. Lol

Maybe he meant Biafra.

TheSuperNerd:
We also called up a new player from the championship in Semi Ajayi. It shows we, at the very least, are trying to recruit some good quality out of the very many FBs out there.

And I am for us capping as many as we can but the reality is that it won't happen that way. That is the truth. We have a team we are building upon and we cannot call up all those names you reeled out at the same time or within same period.

Do you remember when the long list of FBs used to include Iwobi, Aina, Idowu, Ebuehi, Semi Ajayi (when he was at Arsenal youth), etc?

Now look how far we have come... We got some of these now and so far our recruitment of these players have been largely vindicated. They are all contributing in their own ways to the good and growth of the team. But it all did not happen at once. Team building must be considered alongside the recruitmemt drive. It is not all that straightforward.

The only negative I see now is missing out on capping Eze Ebere in this international window. He addresses a problem we have in the team. But now Rohr admits his mistake stylishly and now knows he would have to go through the wahala process of switching allegiance to Nigeria from England after the lad is capped for the England U-20s. And I believe even Ebere Eze is willing to switch as it is his dream to play for us according to the last time I read reports on his international aspirations. But we must make the first step by beginning his allegiance switch process and I hope we do.


Now in conclusion... I understand England is a threat to us having some of these quality youngsters hence the need to beat England at their own game but I cannot say now that because of these, we must prioritise the FBs first and only above our other fine prospects of indigenous extraction that are now based in Europe. We must be balanced in our approach to both camps of prospects. Josh Maja is a fine prospect but so also is Awoniyi, Osimhen and a host of others.

I would say that we make the most pressing issues in our team the topmost priority, before any other, among the foreign borns in our recruitment drive. If I were head of the scouting and recruitmemt team, this will be my approach. It would be targeting first the FB prospects that addresses the weakness in our team before considering going after any other FB prospect that only multiplies our options in our strong depts. Finito.

Exactly, invite players that will address the immediate weakness in the team. Whether foreign born or locally born

TheSuperNerd:
We also called up a new player from the championship in Semi Ajayi. It shows we, at the very least, are trying to recruit some good quality out of the very many FBs out there.

And I am for us capping as many as we can but the reality is that it won't happen that way. That is the truth. We have a team we are building upon and we cannot call up all those names you reeled out at the same time or within same period.

Do you remember when the long list of FBs used to include Iwobi, Aina, Idowu, Ebuehi, Semi Ajayi (when he was at Arsenal youth), etc?

Now look how far we have come... We got some of these now and so far our recruitment of these players have been largely vindicated. They are all contributing in their own ways to the good and growth of the team. But it all did not happen at once. Team building must be considered alongside the recruitmemt drive. It is not all that straightforward.

The only negative I see now is missing out on capping Eze Ebere in this international window. He addresses a problem we have in the team. But now Rohr admits his mistake stylishly and now knows he would have to go through the wahala process of switching allegiance to Nigeria from England after the lad is capped for the England U-20s. And I believe even Ebere Eze is willing to switch as it is his dream to play for us according to the last time I read reports on his international aspirations. But we must make the first step by beginning his allegiance switch process and I hope we do.


Now in conclusion... I understand England is a threat to us having some of these quality youngsters hence the need to beat England at their own game but I cannot say now that because of these, we must prioritise the FBs first and only above our other fine prospects of indigenous extraction that are now based in Europe. We must be balanced in our approach to both camps of prospects. Josh Maja is a fine prospect but so also is Awoniyi, Osimhen and a host of others.

I would say that we make the most pressing issues in our team the topmost priority, before any other, among the foreign borns in our recruitment drive. If I were head of the scouting and recruitmemt team, this will be my approach. It would be targeting first the FB prospects that addresses the weakness in our team before considering going after any other FB prospect that only multiplies our options in our strong depts. Finito.

Exactly, invite players that will address the immediate weaknesses in the team. Whether foreign born or locally born

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Iwobi's talent and potentials were so very obvious for everyone to see. I don't think any right thinking person here objected to his invitation.

As at that time the Super Eagles was lacking in the AM position because even Mikel was playing DM at Chelsea and CM for the Super Eagles.

Iwobi featured prominently in Arsenal's preseason tour. Iwobi was 19 and just got promoted to Arsenal's Senior team while Josh Maja was just 17 playing for Sundaland Youth team.

All players do not have equal abilities. And also the need to quickly fill a gap in the team determines how quickly youngsters will get included. If someone like Iheanacho emerged at the time we had likes of Yakubu, Martins, Utaka, Osaze and Ike Uche as strikers you think he will get his cap as quickly as he did?

Fact that Iheanacho and Iwobi got callups at 18/19 doesn't mean every other player should get same.

What did Iwobi do that made his talent obvious? Nada

He was an academy player. Fact

Josh already played for Sunderland in EFL cup and made the bench in the EPL. That tells alot about a 17 years old lad.

We were never lacking in the AMF position because Sone was inform of his life and Ajagun was still with Panathiniakos in 2015. There was never need for an academy player but we went for him.

Josh Maja, Eze, Billing, Ejara, Lookman etc have made more names for themselves than Iwobi ever made before he was called.

Foresight is the problem.

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That was just the third time we failed to qualify. Check your records. Thanks

Na so Cameroon take lose Mbappe. Now, France dey win laurel because of am.

Well, you cannot blame Cameroun. Mbappe was already being capped at U-17 level by France and he moved up the grades and even won the U-19 Euros with a generation that had Jean Kevin Augustin (RB Leipzig now), Lucas Tousart (Lyon now), Issa Diop (now at West Ham) and Alban Lafont (at Fiorentina now). That team was already in France's future plans. Cameroun had no chance unless you are saying they would have spotted Mbappe when he was like 12 years old... Lol... And bring him into their U-13 team. Truth is there is no guarantee to what the future of a player holds. You only speak now because of hindsight which is so easy to do.




In any case... Cameroun still conquered Africa without Mbappe and a host of their star names who boycotted the team, did they not?

Biafra? Lol... Hey Maidaboi... Is Chief right? Na Biafra you mean?

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Maybe he meant Biafra.

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What did Iwobi do that made his talent obvious? Nada

He was an academy player. Fact

Josh already played for Sunderland in EFL cup and made the bench in the EPL. That tells alot about a 17 years old lad.

We were never lacking in the AMF position because Some was inform of his life in 2015.

Josh Maja, Eze, Billing, Ejara, Lookman etc have made more names for themselves than Iwobi ever made before he was called.

Foresight is the problem.

If you say you did not see Iwobi's obvious talent even before he was invited, well then........

TheSuperNerd:


Well, you cannot blame Cameroun. Mbappe was already being capped at U-17 level by France and he moved up the grades and even won the U-19 Euros with a generation that had Jean Kevin Augustin (RB Leipzig now), Lucas Tousart (Lyon now), Issa Diop (now at West Ham) and Alban Lafont (at Fiorentina now). That team was already in France's future plans. Cameroun had no chance unless you are saying they would have spotted Mbappe when he was like 12 years old... Lol... And bring him into their U-13 team. Truth is there is no guarantee to what the future of a player holds. You only speak now because of hindsight which is so easy to do.




In any case... Cameroun still conquered Africa without Mbappe and a host of their star names who boycotted the team, did they not?

Mbappe father approach Cameroon but he was ignored.

We are talking about world stage, you are talking about Africa. Mbok!

Mbappe was always bound for France having began with their U-17s. He feels more French than anything.

And Ehnn naa... I go talk the one wey dem manage win without am naa... Looolll... How Dem wan qualify for world cup sef when they had the Super Eagles with quality young stars and battle hardened lieutenants led by the mercurial Mikel standing in the way? How? Lol

Like I said, there is no guarantee in life. Every decision is a risk. It is a step of faith. No guarantees abound. Some will turn out great. Some won't. You are using hindsight now in Mbappe's case and equating it with foresight in Maja's case alone while you ignore foresight as regards the others like Samuel Chukwueze, Awoniyi, Osimhen, and a host of other quality young Nigerians. Josh Maja is just one out of several fine prospects and not the best or most outstanding and is also not what we need now so desperately. He is for the future but we also got a fine lineup of other future stars in his role. All our strikers will outdo the lad in league one football. Is league one now so big and highly rated?? Let him wait for his time. We have more pressing needs in the team.

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Mbappe father approach Cameroon but he was ignored.

We are talking about world stage, you are talking about Africa. Mbok!

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Iwobi was ready to fill a vacant AM position left by Silvester Igboun and Sonne Aluko.

You mean an academy player can to fill the position of Mikel Obi and Sone Aluko who were still in form of their lives?

Iwobi never deserved to be called in the first place but today we are reaping the rewards courtesy of FB advocates like us.

Prior to his call, you fought against anything foreign breed, not to talk of an academy player.

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You mean an academy player can to fill the position of Mikel Obi and Sone Aluko who were still in form of their lives?

Iwobi never deserved to be called in the first place but today we are reaping the rewards courtesy of FB advocates like us.

Prior to his call, you fought against anything foreign breed, not to talk of an academy player.

Mikel was not being played as an AM then. It was Aluko in the last days of Keshi. Mikel started playing AM under Siasia's 2016 Olympics team. Iwobi was introduced in 2015 alongside Silvester Igboun.

Aluko and his club were related and Oliseh came in with a policy of no lower league player in the Super Eagles. I am sure u recall. So Aluko's position in the team became vacant and Iwobi came in and made us not miss Aluko.

Now on the issue of foreign born. I hope u know, or maybe u had not joined this forum, I was about the first here to recommend Iwobi to the SE. Even then he was no longer an academy player but a senior team player. You have once again started with ur gimmick of pulling down a player just to make ur point.

And I have always opined that only foreign born players who can add value should be invited. I am only against the indiscriminate call of every Dick and Harry born in Europe.

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Maybe he meant Biafra.

He meant Burkina Faso.

Your "stiff necked white onigbinde" speaks


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