raumdeuter:


OAU will surely win

Some shades

patrickmuf:
Scholes had the passing range, he could shoot from distance, he had complete control of the midfield...
If the aforementioned qualities don't qualify him as a world class player, then there's absolutely nothing like world class, just individual preferences.

complete control of what midfield?

why did he get dropped for Ji sung park in 2009 UCL final when facing the real pass masters Iniesta and Xavi?


You guys will just be revising history anyhow...as if James Milner does not have more EPL assists than this guy with the mythical passing range

iamJ:
kdb is hype and smoke, he is like ozil

Well marketed product, he will score a few goal and his hype machine Will call him world class

all he has is passing vission and accuracy

What else does a player at his position need?

A40:
What else does a player at his position need?

Shakushaku, twerking, dribbling sideways and drawing unnecessary fouls.

Chelseafan1 see your people



This one off me..

I think Scholes was world class, maybe not on the same level as Xavi, Iniesta and Zidane but he was definitely world class

nihilistjnr:


complete control of what midfield?

why did he get dropped for Ji sung park in 2009 UCL final when facing the real pass masters Iniesta and Xavi?


You guys will just be revising history anyhow...as if James Milner does not have more EPL assists than this guy with the mythical passing range

In 2008, we know who knocked out Barca...

PlainJAY:


Some shades

This one loud gan ó....
Domino lógo na dice

nihilistjnr:


complete control of what midfield?

why did he get dropped for Ji sung park in 2009 UCL final when facing the real pass masters Iniesta and Xavi?


You guys will just be revising history anyhow...as if James Milner does not have more EPL assists than this guy with the mythical passing range

He earned the right to be dropped. He sent those pass masters packing just about a year before

Wetin person no go read for this thread, hazard world class in 2015 not anymore in 2016 and 2017 but regain his world class title back in 2018, pogba world class in 2015 but not anymore; is being world class seasonal award? You need to play to some extent to earn world class status after earning the status their might be dip in form or injury but u will still be called world class because u have lighten the game in your prime. And being world class doesnt mean u are the best at that time but its ur contribution to ur team success over a period that earn u world class title; pique is a world class defender but he has never be the best defender in the world.

popizaino:
Cesc Fabregas as a footballer. Let me start with statistics first. One FA cup(2005), one la liga tittle, one Copa Del rey tittle, the UEFA super cup, two Spanish super cups and the mother of all cups,the FIFA World Cup . He also took Spain to their European Victories in 2008 and 2012. He won the league cup and the Premier league tittle at the Stamford Bridge. Despite of all these he has numerous accolades on his own behalf. The generation Cesc played in was very harsh and tough. To be very true Cesc has been one of the pioneers of the Spanish football domination that has been ruling the earth for a while now.
he isn't that fast
He can't be good at defensive

But he will be the one of the greatest no.4 of all time,CESC has a great vision such that see the players,gaps through opposition players as they were invinsible…

The greatest thing he posses is he always find the fastest,easiest,simplest,smart& shortest way to goal……with his long balls & through balls…..he is a good playmaker ,but can't operate as a defensive one ……

His recent interview says “ football now isn't about talent it's about running & passing…..I am glad to be in the era of football with talent”

He was the one who assisted iniesta's world cup final goal …he& Busquets was the reason to reason to bench many good players at spain,Barcelona (Xabi Alonso for Spain)….when you give him the ball he could complete the conversion of goal with just limited no of passes …..he has the highest no of assists after Ryan Giggs in premier league

Did you just say Fabregas benched Xabi Alonso while playing for the Spanish national team? LOL. We need to nip some of the statements in the bud before they get out of hand.

Fabregas was so good at benching Alonso that he(Fab) had to be to converted to a false nine to accomodate him in the team. Just listen to yourself. Fabregas dey learn work for where Alonso dey!

Same thing at Barcelona. He couldn't displace the midfield trident of Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta. He had to make do with another false nine role and coming off the bench. The only time he did get anything close to regular game time at Barca was under Tata Martino and guess what: Barcelona went trophyless that season

Nobody is disputing Fab's achievements over the years but you saying he is still world class based on what he has done before is just nonsense. Fabregas WAS world-class, he no longer is. He's still a good player though. One of my favorite midfielders in the PL.

Saying scholes is overated and xavi is not is absurd; scholes is only considered ARGUABLY best midfielder is overated after 11 EPL title, 2 champions league, FA cups, league cups, if after staring for a team that win 11 EPL and not carry along is not enough to be mooted for being the best i wonder what will what of Xavi that was considered to be ARGUABLY best midfielder in history of the game with 8 or 9 la liga title, 4 champions league, copa del reys is mooted to best in history is not overated or is it not the same xavi that we all watch he is not in anyway better than pirlo, iniesta or modric i will rate him level kroos.

patrickmuf:
In 2008, we know who knocked out Barca...

anybody can knock out Barca with a lucky goal when parking the bus.

Ramires did the same thing..even pangolo Torres. It doesn't mean he would be first choice if there were other options.

in 2008 Vidic was injured, Rooney was injured, so Scholes had to play, as Hargreaves was playing right back.

one year later, with everybody fit, world class Scholes was benched by a winger playing in central midfield against Barca in the biggest game in club football.

My guy Japa jare

OVA200:
Wetin person no go read for this thread, hazard world class in 2015 not anymore in 2016 and 2017 but regain his world class title back in 2018, pogba world class in 2015 but not anymore; is being world class seasonal award? You need to play to some extent to earn world class status after earning the status their might be dip in form or injury but u will still be called world class because u have lighten the game in your prime. And being world class doesnt mean u are the best at that time but its ur contribution to ur team success over a period that earn u world class title; pique is a world class defender but he has never be the best defender in the world.

naso World Class is not something you can drift in and out anyhow, that's why none of Hazard or Salah is world class. How can i use the same name to classify Messi and Salah when Messi has been performing since way back 2007 till date. Salah has performed for just one season pere, ONE

that's why i'm chilling for KDB too, World Class is a status you attain, when you get there, you don get there niyen. All these Pogba dem, they are not. Xavi and Iniesta played till they got old,same with Zidane and Lampard.

You have to earn it, you have to get there.

pkasso:
Did you just say Fabregas benched Xabi Alonso while playing for the Spanish national team? LOL. We need to nip some of the statements in the bud before they get out of hand.

Fabregas was so good at benching Alonso that he(Fab) had to be to converted to a false nine to accomodate him in the team. Just listen to yourself. Fabregas dey learn work for where Alonso dey!

Same thing at Barcelona. He couldn't displace the midfield trident of Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta. He had to make do with another false nine role and coming off the bench. The only time he did get anything close to regular game time at Barca was under Tata Martino and guess what: Barcelona went trophyless that season

Nobody is disputing Fab's achievements over the years but you saying he is still world class based on what he has done before is just nonsense. Fabregas WAS world-class, he no longer is. He's still a good player though. One of my favorite midfielders in the PL.

Fabregas is a demon of the midfield, there are not so many midfielders that can pass like him. He can open spaces with just one pass. He can create chances out of nothing with just one long pass. Dude made 100 assists in 297 appearances. He is a BOSS

OVA200:
Saying scholes is overated and xavi is not is absurd; scholes is only considered ARGUABLY best midfielder is overated after 11 EPL title, 2 champions league, FA cups, league cups, if after staring for a team that win 11 EPL and not carry along is not enough to be mooted for being the best i wonder what will what of Xavi that was considered to be ARGUABLY best midfielder in history of the game with 8 or 9 la liga title, 4 champions league, copa del reys is mooted to best in history is not overated or is it not the same xavi that we all watch he is not in anyway better than pirlo, iniesta or modric i will rate him level kroos.

why did Scholes not get those individual accolades during his playing career?

it's only after he retired that we started hearing Zidane said this, Xavi said that.

How can they put your name on Balon Dor long list a whopping 5 times, and you never receive a single vote?

Then after your career, people are shouting world class, world class - the same people that didn't vote for you as a player?

Afolabi6046:
Fabregas is a demon of the midfield, there are not so many midfielders that can pass like him. He can open spaces with just one pass. He can create chances out of nothing with just one long pass. Dude made 100 assists in 297 appearances. He is a BOSS

Shey una people blind ni? I'm not disputing his quality but saying he is still world class is taking it too far. You guys are just being nostalgic. Fernando Torres is also world class.

Afolabi6046:
naso World Class is not something you can drift in and out anyhow, that's why none of Hazard or Salah is world class. How can i use the same name to classify Messi and Salah when Messi has been performing since way back 2007 till date. Salah has performed for just one season pere, ONE

that's why i'm chilling for KDB too, World Class is a status you attain, when you get there, you don get there niyen. All these Pogba dem, they are not. Xavi and Iniesta played till they got old,same with Zidane and Lampard.

You have to earn it, you have to get there.

Bro u dont need to be successful as already existing world class to be called world class salah is not a world class player yet but hazard, neymar, aguero, david silva, griezman, loris are, considering the success individually and with their teams consistently not every player will like messi and ronaldo and not every player will play for barca or madrid, so we cant use both of them as a yardstick to judge others

nihilistjnr:


why did Scholes not get those individual accolades during his playing career?

it's only after he retired that we started hearing Zidane said this, Xavi said that.

How can they put your name on Balon Dor long list a whopping 5 times, and you never receive a single vote?

Then after your career, people are shouting world class, world class - the same people that didn't vote for you as a player?

Am not saying he is the greatest but at least he merit being mooted as one of the best because i watched him play and he is good and fantastic sometimes and individual accolades is sometimes misleading the coming generation will think valdes is better than petr cech reading pages of wikipaedia which is no, look at de gea for instance he is not receiving award his talent merited. Scholes is a very very good player not the best but definitely among them and saying scholes is not world class is uncomprehensible

eph12:

Yes he is

lol which kind delusion be this one lol

odizeey:
who be this one. when we talked of long passes in his time he was number one. MTN!!!!!!!!

So scholes is the English Toni kroos but with more tackles and no world cup heroics?

madrid5:
lol which kind delusion be this one lol

You no know ball!!!

pkasso:
Shey una people blind ni? I'm not disputing his quality but saying he is still world class is taking it too far. You guys are just being nostalgic. Fernando Torres is also world class.

I read what you typed well,was just buttressing your point.

Fabregas is declining, everybody does.

OVA200:
Am not saying he is the greatest but at least he merit being mooted as one of the best because i watched him play and he is good and fantastic sometimes and individual accolades is sometimes misleading the coming generation will think valdes is better than petr cech reading pages of wikipaedia which is no, look at de gea for instance he is not receiving award his talent merited. Scholes is a very very good player not the best but definitely among them and saying scholes is not world class is uncomprehensible

Scholes merits being called the best because you watched him play?

On a serious note, the only defence yall have for the world class assertion is his team achievements. John Oshea, Wes Brown, Ji Sung Park, Welbeck, Cleverly, Anderson etc won many of those titles with Scholes - If title wins = worldclass, then all of those wack players must be world class too.

In every team, there are the guys who carry the team to success, and there are the ones that benefit simply by being in the vicinity

That's were individual accolades come in, to recognise the best players at the most sucessful teams.

Victor Valdes for example won la liga 6 times, UCL 3 times, won world cup and Euros - and he only made FIFPRO XI once in his life

DDG has only won the league once, never won UCL, never won a senior trophy with spain, and yet he has made FIFPRO XI on 4 occasions

Petr Cech that you mentioned has been voted best keeper in Europe on at least 6 occasions.

That's the difference between a difference maker and a Paul Scholes.

OVA200:
Wetin person no go read for this thread, hazard world class in 2015 not anymore in 2016 and 2017 but regain his world class title back in 2018, pogba world class in 2015 but not anymore; is being world class seasonal award? You need to play to some extent to earn world class status after earning the status their might be dip in form or injury but u will still be called world class because u have lighten the game in your prime. And being world class doesnt mean u are the best at that time but its ur contribution to ur team success over a period that earn u world class title; pique is a world class defender but he has never be the best defender in the world.

That's nihilistjnr for you but he's only trolling though, so don't take him serious

nihilistjnr:


anybody can knock out Barca with a lucky goal when parking the bus.

Ramires did the same thing..even pangolo Torres. It doesn't mean he would be first choice if there were other options.

in 2008 Vidic was injured, Rooney was injured, so Scholes had to play, as Hargreaves was playing right back.

one year later, with everybody fit, world class Scholes was benched by a winger playing in central midfield against Barca in the biggest game in club football.

My guy Japa jare

He had to play and he scored the all important goal, a shot from distance akin to a precision guided missile...
Maybe it's because he didn't play a year later that we lost, think about it from this angle.

OVA200:
Saying scholes is overated and xavi is not is absurd; scholes is only considered ARGUABLY best midfielder is overated after 11 EPL title, 2 champions league, FA cups, league cups, if after staring for a team that win 11 EPL and not carry along is not enough to be mooted for being the best i wonder what will what of Xavi that was considered to be ARGUABLY best midfielder in history of the game with 8 or 9 la liga title, 4 champions league, copa del reys is mooted to best in history is not overated or is it not the same xavi that we all watch he is not in anyway better than pirlo, iniesta or modric i will rate him level kroos.

Shutup!

Xavi is the most dominant midfielder of all time.

The last time any team faced a Xavi midfield and came away with more possession was in 2006.

Most times during El-Classico, when they build up Ronaldo vs Messi rivalry, the analysis was unfair on Ronaldo because Xavi would choke Ronaldo out the game.

Xavi would ensure Ronaldos team only collect 25% possession and Ronaldo never touches the ball. Wicked Xavi.

Ibime:


Shutup!

Xavi is the most dominant midfielder of all time.

The last time any team faced a Xavi midfield and came away with more possession was in 2006.

you dey vex o. But the guy sef fumble, na Xavi he dey disrespect so?

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patrickmuf:
He had to play and he scored the all important goal, a shot from distance akin to a precision guided missile...
Maybe it's because he didn't play a year later that we lost, think about it from this angle.

Anybody can fire a long shot from timbuktu, especially when you have valdes in goal, but Scholes was never Ferguson's preferred choice in central midfield if he had other options.

in 2001, Fergusin broke transfer record to sign veron, and he chased Scholes away from central midfield. When Veron flopped - he went and brought Kleberson, and Djemba Djemba. The next year bought Mikel. After that brought Carrick, Anderson, Hargreaves etc.

Through out scholes career, Ferguson was always shopping for central midfielders. In UCL 2009 final, he benched SCholes for Ji sung park ffs.

Scholes went to England and was pursued away from CM by Lampard and Gerrard. Scholes saw that he would never break into that position again for England and tendered his resignation letter - and he was still in his twenties!

This is how the newspaper from paul Scholes own hometown describes what happened when scholes met a real world class midfielder

Afolabi6046:
you dey vex o. But the guy sef fumble, na Xavi he dey disrespect so?

I no dey like people dey talk nonsense. There is no single match Xavis team did not dominate possession. Even the Pirlo he's shouting, if Pirlo played Xavi in his prime, Pirlo will not collect more than 30% possession. Modric would hardly touch ball or any midfielder you care to mention. And the fool said Xavi is just a Kroos.

Xavi was a Boa-constrictor. He suck oxygen out of your midfield until your team give up.