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Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Beautyaddy: 4:57pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Babyvet: Lool!..Hopefully, this mid-term elections might try to get some of them to heal their buyer's remorse of supporting Trump. Trump had a very easy presidential opponent to run against and win and it was because Hillary already had too much past negative and bad sour garbage along with that of her husband over her head. |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Beautyaddy: 4:58pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Ugosample: Huh...very true. |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Babyvet: 5:12pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Beautyaddy: Hopefully, they will. A lot people are starting to realize that they the American dream is fallacy. The American Dream is the opportunity for prosperity and success, as well as an upward social mobility for the family and children, achieved through hard work in a society with few barriers. Thats far from the truth, the disparity between the rich and the poor is growing, middle class is disappearing. Access to education and healthcare is come difficult and very expensive. Cost of living is going up but the wages are not. 3 Likes |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Beautyaddy: 5:28pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Babyvet: Unfortunately, most countries who embrace capitalism struggle with this. Now the question is are most Americans comfortable to now embrace socialism? Time will tell. Most European countries if not all are already embracing socialism but have to deal with very high taxes and are not immigrant friendly. 1 Like |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Babyvet: 5:47pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Beautyaddy: Socialism stands for government control of the economy that does not necessarily result in equality. The US is much larger than these European countries that are highly rated. I don't think socialism would work for countries like the U.S. |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Mancala: 9:28pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Babyvet: A good case study is the Somali population in the U.S. They are recent immigrants compared to Nigerians. Albeit not yet as economically successfull as we are but check out their political success! Somalis have become State Reps in the past and this November, a Somali woman is very likely to become a member of the U.S house. Nigerians are individually successful, but collectively, we are a failure in the U.S. due to our petty divisive tendencies. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Babyvet: 9:43pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Mancala: Like I said , Nigerians are successful education wise , but financial wise we are not the most successful. Educational success does not always equate to financial success. We also tend to be employees and not job creators. |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Originalsly: 9:43pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Babyvet: A whole lot of changes came without collective wealth.....with Martin Luther King jr spearheading the marches for Civil Rights.... which the FG had no choice but to sign on...that was all about unity. The Chinese and othersss are all now benefitting never mind they never participated. The struggle still continues....the difference. ..American Blacks are pro active...they fight for their rights/justice....Nigerians sit back and complain, pray and hope the leaders do the right thing. ...so we keep waiting..and waiting! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Babyvet: 9:51pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Originalsly: Although, I apreaciate what Martin Luther king today, we have come long , we still have a very very long way to go. Protesting is good but it has not reduced the shooting of unarmed black men in this country with the police officer getting off and other injustices. This country is highly capitalist so money does matter. 1 Like |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Ugosample(m): 11:02pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Mancala: you have said it all. Too much toxicity amongst our people To achieve a common goal is very very difficult in our community it's greed, myopia, destructive competition and "I better pass my neighbour" all the way |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Ugosample(m): 11:03pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Originalsly: you have a point |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Originalsly: 11:13pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Babyvet:Really?...noooo!...the number of executions of Blacks has been reduced due to protests.....especially when our celebrities are adding their voices and getting involved....as well as the few retaliation shootings and killing of police...that really put a check on the rampage. But no doubt...we need economic power....but unity comes first...in unity there is influence..and in influence there is power. E.g....why do politicians bend backwards to the Jews?...is it because of their wealth?...noooo!...the Jews vote in blocks!...2 million Jews...2 million votes all going one place...2 M votes guarantee. ..politicians will lick their feet to get those votes...that be a stairway to power. Should Nigerian youths unite... lay out what they want ...promise any candidate who can meet the demands their votes...politicians will do the same...become stooges. In this game..unity is the gateway to power. 2 Likes |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Babyvet: 11:28pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Originalsly: I have not seen reductions. Can provide links that’s provide reduction ? 1 Like |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Saintp(m): 11:59pm On Oct 29, 2018 |
Originalsly: At the end of the day, it is the presence of a working democracy that makes the difference. Here, leaders know that their fate rest in the hands of their people through the ballot box so the must work for the people. In naija, leaders know the people hold no power to do anything. After all, they can always manipulate the process for their own gain. The likes of INEC,police,DSS etc will always be an extension of the ruling party so why would they have to work for the people when they can stay in power without them. 1 Like |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Mancala: 12:50am On Oct 30, 2018 |
Saintp: An enlightened population is a politicians worst nightmare. Uninformed people vote against their self interest because they don't know what, why, and how the policies espoused by politicians will or will not benefit them. They are easily swayed by bumper sticker politics, religious and tribal affiliations devoid of substance and a few pieces of silver. On the contrary, I believe the people hold all the power, they are just not aware of how to wield it and in Nigerias case, are unwilling to do what it takes to wrestle back power from the greedy politicians. |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Mancala: 1:04am On Oct 30, 2018 |
Originalsly: Good points. Have you ever wondered what happened to black populations in America? Why is it that in many majority black communities, the Mayor, city council members, Sheriff and most of the police force is white? Are most of these not elected positions? Who is voting them in? Most of our black brothers and sisters don't vote, many because they can't. In most states in the U.S., you can't vote if you have a felony record unless you go through a lengthy and expensive process to regain your voting rights. Many don't understand that this is deliberately entrenched in the justice system. Historically, blacks got longer and harsher jail sentences for using and or possessing dope than whites that were doing meth. We need to educate ourselves about what's going on to stop the disenfranchisement. If we get more blacks into positions of power, a lot of the injustice will stop. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Saintp(m): 1:15am On Oct 30, 2018 |
Mancala: I think you are right |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by lokoloko84(m): 6:46am On Oct 30, 2018 |
DanG1:Bro,pardon me for asking this question.I am a pharmacist here in Nigeria but looking forward to do my MSC in a specialized course in pharmacy preferably outside the country. Though, I have not thought about Brazil until I read this piece of yours. Can you give me a piece of information about good Universities offering pharmacy courses in Brazil where I can enroll for MSC and with the opportunity to live and work after my degree. Thanks. |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by sweetmelanin(f): 8:05am On Oct 30, 2018 |
AnthonyAk: I've read most of your posts on this thread. Dude, sorry to say you got your heads in the cloud. Maybe because you've spent so long abroad and you are homesick. Nigeria is not what you think. I repeat.. NIGERIA IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK! It is a land of hardship, anger and frustration. Don't be decieved by the suffer and smile lifestyle. Yes there is a better sense of community here but trust me, it's because there's no other option. When there's no light, wont you go out and gist with neighbours? who will sit inside in darkness? We need each other to survive in this decrepit land.. but believe me, the minute Nigeria develops like the western world, all these social whatever will stop. Regarding opportunities, they are only there for the rich and connected. Someone like you may struggle since you've been abroad for so long. There are many returnees like you regretting their decision to return. The best option is to live abroad and come home regularly for holidays. A word is enough! 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by AnthonyAk(m): 2:28pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
sweetmelanin: Lol thanks for the advice , i come to nigeria regularly so i know what to expect. I know it wont be easy but in the long term i stand to benefit wayy more than living here. My parents didnt steal 1 kobo so i cant just abandon everything they have worked so hard for. Im speaking well beyond material things. All the connections that have been built over the years are invaluable. For example i was able to exchange numbers with Innosun last time i was there and this is just oh mumsi said i should escort her for Nnewi. Can you imagine opportunities ive missed just by being here? I was supposed to get the contract to rebuild the innosun website I wont even know where to begin to start making those type of connections here. As a black man i have to prove myself everywhere i go. Im technically a nobody here at best just a high wage earner , which is nice but i want more. For all my work there has to be more My Canadian passport and my career will always be my fall backs just in case. But to be frank there are opportunities there , if everyone leaves who will change the country? 3 Likes |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by yemiosinbajo: 2:36pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
sweetmelanin: What you don't understand is that Nigeria is the best place to live in for the rich. For the poor, thew West is OK, but for the rich, it is naija. Have you wondered why those rich people only travel abroad for holidays but never live there permanently? And whenever they go for holidays and go for shopping, they can afford what those living there cannot. There is something about being rich in a developing country; you become a king, a god. Your money cannot make you that in America. 3 Likes |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Beautyaddy: 2:45pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
yemiosinbajo: Very true. Some of the benefits of living in Nigeria: Paying little to no Taxes Getting away with Bribery and Corruption Getting Opportunities by who you know and not what you know 2 Likes |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by sweetmelanin(f): 2:46pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
AnthonyAk: A wise man listens to the experiences of others and learns from it... but fool learns the hard way. I wish you all the best. 5 Likes |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by sweetmelanin(f): 2:53pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
yemiosinbajo: Mediocrity can never end in Nigeria. Please my dear, how many people fall into the category of "the rich"? What you fail to understand is that what people see as luxury in this country is a NORMAL way of life abroad. Those who settle and acquire their passports have endless opportunities to travel to many parts of the world without requiring visa... just see how you are screaming holiday like its luxury. What a pity. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by sweetmelanin(f): 2:56pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Beautyaddy: Yes, you pay little to no taxes but money finishes in your hand through endless bribing of police officers, toll gate fees, fuel for generator, transport, school fees, hospital fees, borrow borrow family and friends etc.. Did I read you right? Bribery and Corruption is a benefit? |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Babyvet: 3:04pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
sweetmelanin: Just a genuine question, so are you saying that nobody should move back home? I’m just curious , which part of the world do you live? |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by AnthonyAk(m): 3:05pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
sweetmelanin: I'll post my exploits here don't worry |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by sweetmelanin(f): 3:08pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
AnthonyAk: Will look forward to your posts. Good luck. |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by yemiosinbajo: 3:12pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
sweetmelanin: See, I live in the US so I know what I'm saying; I don't have to argue with you. If it was the way you said it, the rich would choose to live abroad instead. If you have some time, get a copy of AMERICANAH by Chimamanda Adichie, and find out why Obinze chose to go back to Nigeria with his wealth, and why Ifemelu later went back after acquiring US citizenship. If you could afford to buy a range rover and pay for it in cash at once in Nigeria, isn't that wealth? How many Americans can afford that? Is that what you will call "normal" in America. How about the paying of taxes? Do you know how that affects the rich? Why are you intrigued by the visa-free opportunity? First, if you are rich, no one will deny you a visa, so you can still visit the same countries that the visa-free citizen visits, so what exactly is the advantage of the visa-free chance you get? How many countries do you necessarily have to visit if you are rich, is everyone interested in travelling like that? Most times, the rich is going to these countries for one conference or the other which is by invitation, so who will deny them a visa? Look, I want us to be very objective in our conversation here. There are a lot of things I could say, but I'm at work now. If you have some time, this discussion was already on Quora, it has over 100 answers: Is getting an American citizenship the best thing? Take time and read through, and it will explain a lot of things I wanted to tell you: https://www.quora.com/Is-having-a-child-born-into-U-S-citizenship-the-best-thing-that-could-happen-to-a-prospective-parent-from-another-nation Don't get me wrong, getting an American citizenship is great; but this is only for the poor and middle-class. If you are rich, you don't need it. If you are Nigerian and RICH, you will rather live in Nigeria than abroad. Have you ever wondered why people like Dora Akunyili renounced their green cards? Or why Wole Soyinka would not apply for a citizenship, and not live in the US? Or why Obasanjo still keeps living in his Ogun State farm even after leaving politics, though he could still be embezzling money for America if he wanted? Or why Davido or Tiwa Savage would rather live in Nigeria even with their US citizenships- do you even think these guys will break through in music if they remained in the US? 1 Like |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Beautyaddy: 3:15pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
sweetmelanin: Yep...for the lazy Nigerians. |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by yemiosinbajo: 3:18pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
sweetmelanin: Let me just pick out the emboldened; if that is what you do, then, let it be you, don't generalize. I lived in Nigeria for more than two decades and I never for once bribed a police officer. The reason many people bribe these guys is either because they don't know their rights, or they have broken the law somehow and just want an easy way out. If what you do is right in standing with the law and you know your rights, why will you bribe a police officer? And regarding the other fees you are talking about; do you know how expensive it is to live in the US, especially if you don't have a good job or are uneducated? Do you know how much people incur in student loan debts alone, especially those who go to graduate professional schools? How many people incur debts for going to college in Nigeria? See, both sides have their good and bad. You are better off living abroad if you suffer in Nigeria, but if you are rich... |
Re: Share Your Experience Of Life Outside Nigeria. by Babyvet: 3:38pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
yemiosinbajo: Interesting posts from that quora thread , it seems like a lot of people agreed that person coming from a poor developed nation would see the U.S as great . For those who lived in other developed the us was okay or overrated. I agree with their sentiments. 1 Like |
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