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Re: . by Nobody: 5:50pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
superlightning: How are you sure he's from Anambra, many Yorubas pretend to be from one other Igbo land and bash other Igbo people then move back and start laughing when the Igbos start attacking themselves 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: . by Nobody: 5:54pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
pazienza: Owere is a shotcut road that will lead you to one particular place, well not sure, the way my parents called it, it seem short road to... |
Re: . by NaijirianKing: 5:55pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Great analysis! |
Re: . by Nobody: 5:58pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
ckenneths: Why doesn't government build planed house and sell to people? 1 Like |
Re: . by horsepower101: 6:06pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Afam4eva: I appreciate your perspective and I even gave you a like for it. But here comes the major problem, if an Ikwerre man shoot buhari tomorrow, who do you think northerners will start attacking and killing all aver the north. This is where the real conflict of pseudo igbo identity comes in. I wish they just fully adopted Bini names and language fully and completely since their ancestors are from there. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by hammerFC: 6:11pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
[quote author=ChinenyeN post=72535157] Yet again, another highly emotionally charged write up, with no supporting evidence. U just dont accept but cannot provide valuable research to support your objection. Out of the myriad of cultural features and discrepancies that exist within and between the various Igbo groups and your Hebrews, you pick out a handful (of seemingly arbitrary similarities) and ask for an explanation. 'Intellectual laziness' is not realizing that this Jewish/Hebrew nonsense has been around long enough for the academia to actually get involved, and 'til today, the academia been unable to find substantiation for this Jewish/Hebrew nonsense. Visit credible, peer-reviewed journal sites like JStor and University of Colombia's Database. I repeat, you are Intellectually lazy and this comment of yours attest to that proclamation. U want JStor and University of Colombia Database to do research for Igbo and Ancient Hebrew? This is y we are definitely not on the same page nor wave length. I am here forging ahead with proposal for a School of Hebrew and Igbo studies where we the Igbo and Hebrew can actively collate data to either support or disprove once and for all the Igbo and Hebrew connection. U see why i call u intellectually lazy? It is lazy to sit down and expect everything to be handed to u. 'Intellectual laziness' is knowing that a complete and utter void of oral tradition exists with respect to this Jewish/Hebrew nonsense, yet deciding to not acknowledge actual oral traditions of the people involved, just to spout speculative nonsense. My friend, both Igbo and Hebrew oral tradition supports the claim of migration from Egypt by the lost tribe of Israel. I repeat both Israel and Igbo oral tradition. 'Intellectual laziness' is the fact that some of the oldest artifacts that were archeologically excavated in the region, and incidentally (falsely, but that is a discussion for another time) attributed to Nri, provide zero archeological support for... guess... Your Hebrew/Jewish nonsense. Actually, there have been artifacts unearthed in Nri that suggest a link to Israel. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=libxCQAAQBAJ&pg=PT38&lpg=PT38&dq=star+of+david+unearthed+in+Nri+anambra&source=bl&ots=zeCCmlcWR9&sig=CdHsvRklydmvIMdIjxfsBfR9bbc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6nurK167eAhUIDewKHVeCDH8Q6AEwAXoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=star%20of%20david%20unearthed%20in%20Nri%20anambra&f=false Further, is it logical to expect such in view that the settlers have traveled a great distance and might have settled in several other places before arriving in present day Igbo land? In short, 'intellectual laziness' is claiming that a link exists (without evidence), then claiming that we need to investigate (because we need to be sure), then claiming that 'those who know, know' (again, without evidence), then asking for an explanation (further proving that you have no evidence). It is better to be quiet when u have nothing reasonable to say than to speak and put on display irrationality. |
Re: . by hammerFC: 6:14pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
I have earlier posted example of institutional level research that will be required to extensively decipher Ndiigbo cosmogonies. I do not intend to repost on that and waste my time again. Rather, I challenge the doubters on this thread to post same level research to disprove the Igbo and Ancient Hebrew connection. 1 Like |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 6:26pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Afam4eva
They don't mind being attached to Bini, though. Elechi Amadi started the Bini theory and many other Ikwerre educated persons are following the line too. Celestine Omehia in an Ogbako Ikwerre convention in USA in 2015 reteirated Ikwerre Bini origin before Ogbakor Ikwerre, and received a warm applause from Ikwerre audience. The only thing i have noticed about Ikwerres is a soft affinity for Igbos even though they like to hide it. While in NYSC, we were playing a football match among corpers and a fight broke out between two players, an Igbo and Yoruba guy and it seemed like the other Yoruba guys seemed to be supporting their fellow Yoruba guys and a few Ikwerre guys (we had a handful of them in the LGA) took the matter on their head along with some Igbo guys and started fighting the Yoruba guys. At that moment i realize that Ikwerre people think they are Brothers to Igbo people. But not enough to call themselves Igbo. We can be brothers but not of the same ethnic group even thouhg we are related. This is a too isolated case to be generalized, either way, we had already stated the propensity of Ikwerre people to identify with Igbo groups, once outside Rivers state. They don't do that because they consider us brothers or anything like that, they do such because they know that Igwebuike and that Igbos usually have the numbers outside East, hence they stand a chance benefiting from attaching to Ndiigbo in far away lands, but quickly remember their Bini ancestry, once back to Rivers state. It's part of the chameleonic treachery we have come to know them by,don't be deceived. To further explain what i mean, i was in Calabar a few days ago for a wedding and the MC of event was greeted people of different tribes. he greeted the Efiks, Ibibios, Annangs, Oron and different people even though these people are of the same stock. These groups know they are related but don't see themselves as the same tribe. It is insulting for Ibibios to refer to Annangs as Ibibio and vice versa just like Ikwerres think it's insulting to refer to them as Igbos. Mind you, these Igboid groups really don't mind a union with Igbos but as long as they are not lumped in to the Igbo umbrella. Infact i confirmed this when an Ukwuani guy on this forum once said that all the "Bia" speaking groups should come together and form something like a union. This made me think that they were more against the Igbo tag which they feel does not apply to them than having anything to do with Igbos. You got it all messed up. Oron, Efik, Eket, Ibibio, Annang, are like Ikwerre, Etche, Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki, Izzi, Ezza, Ikwo, Nkanu,, etc. While IGBO groups managed to unite under one name called Igbo, all those Cross River and Akwa Ibom groups failed to unite under one name. Ibibio telling Efik, Annang, Oro, Obolo, Eket, etc to unite under the Ibibio name, will be comparable to Ngwa( which is the largest IGBO group) telling the rest of us to unite under the name Ngwa. Igbo tag belonged to no Igbo group,its a union of Groups that speak Igbo dialects which form a continuum as you move from Igbanke to Isobo. Ukwuani people telling us to drop the Igbo tag simply because their Edoid neighbors had told them that "Igbon" means slave, as one of them once told me, or for whatever other reasons will not work. If they are not ready to embrace the Igbo tag the rest of us had embraced, then they should go and stay where the sun don't shine. Your attempt to excuse their treachery, arrogance and sanctimonious attitude, will never fly. Touch an Ukwuani person, and he starts telling you why they are not Igbos because Igbos are greedy,money conscious, ritualists, secessionists, etc, while Ukwuani are saints, when you listen to them speak, you hear the voice of their Edoid neighbors in them, they had accepted negative and unsubstantiated stories about Ndiigbo their Edoid neighbors parrot about and now they are trying so hard to avoid being referred as Igbos. They are not just uncomfortable with the Igbo tag,these people habour a degree of resentment towards Ndiigbo, this is necessary for them, since they have to put on an Igbophobic Show for their Edoid neighbors, to prove to them they are truly not Igbos.
Nope. I think you are the one who need to review your understanding of the issue at hand. We have got them and their situation figured out to a T. Some of us had dedicated years of intense study on this matter. Why we have them all existing as separate ethnic groups? isn't it obvious? They rejected a unifying tag for all Igbo speaking groups, called IGBO. They had proven incapable of rising beyond their parochial and clannish mentality to unite Under the Igbo tag, while then are you surprised that they had all also failed to unite to form a single entity amongst themselves. Isn't the question a self solving one? We are looking at this with clear head, and if you do, you will arrive at the same verdict as we all did. 14 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: . by hammerFC: 6:30pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
The hexagram already appeared on the historical flag of nigeria (british colony and protectorate). Both coins date from that time, since Nigeria got independent in 1960. So, i think the question should be why the hexagram was associated with Nigeria during the epoch before 1960. Extensive information regarding this question can be found at http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ng-gb.html. According to that page, it may be due to jewish influence transmitted by the ethnic group of Igbo (Ibo), and/or it's a "traditional Ibo/Igbo symbol". To be honest, i can't judge if this explanation is accurate... 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: . by hammerFC: 6:32pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
We will keep hitting them with research whilst they hit back with emotions. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=libxCQAAQBAJ&pg=PT38&lpg=PT38&dq=star+of+david+unearthed+in+Nri+anambra&source=bl&ots=zeCCmlcWR9&sig=CdHsvRklydmvIMdIjxfsBfR9bbc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6nurK167eAhUIDewKHVeCDH8Q6AEwAXoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=star%20of%20david%20unearthed%20in%20Nri%20anambra&f=false https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/24276/why-does-the-star-of-david-feature-on-these-african-coins-from-20th-century 2 Likes |
Re: . by hammerFC: 6:44pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Aziza is an Isrealite masculine name meaning strong concordance. However, the word origin is from Azaz. Azaz is part of speech and means strong or prevail. The word is deeply rooted in origin from Prime Root. Prime Root refers to the brooms of old. That was the broom used by Igbo not the current one u see with APC. http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5819.htm http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5810.htm 1 Like
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Re: . by hammerFC: 6:46pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
ezeagu: aziza and azaz are both related Hebrew words. aziza and zaa are both related Igbo words I was only looking at aziza but it was ezeagu that pointed out zaa to me. Yet another coincidence. 1 Like |
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 6:54pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Wait, wait... hammerFC, you expect yourself to be taken seriously with what you just wrote? Well, at least we are finally getting somewhere though. Instead of completely ignoring oral tradition, you want to take it an extra step and claim that "we Igbo" have oral tradition affirming a migration from Egypt. Finally. Now, point us in the direction of those oral traditions, so that we all can be enlightened. This is your first concrete step. Instead of walking around the subject with "Coincidence? I think not.", you actually want to mention something empirical and concrete. Ngwanu, share with us the oral traditions which affirm a migration from Egypt and recognize the lost tribe of Israel. You must have seen it written out or detailed out somewhere, or even shared with you verbally. A journal during the colonial administration maybe? An intelligence report during the first years of anchoring, perhaps? A pamphlet, possibly written between the 1910s and 1950s? An uncle or aunt or elder of any number of villages, perhaps. You had to have gotten something tangible for you to make such a bold claim. Please, share with us what that was. You see, not just myself, but many of us here on NL have actually taken great interest in the oral traditions of many communities in the ethno-linguistic region, both Igbo-speaking and non-Igbo-speaking alike. Many of us are sons and daughters of the soil, well-versed in the oral traditions of our specific communities and also knowledgeable of the traditions of our neighbors to varying degrees. I have to say, 'til this date, with the wealth of sons and daughters of the soil that exist in the region, no one has yet been able to manifest definitive, empirical oral traditions from their community that affirm any Israel connections. You would think, that considering how long this Jewish/Hebrew shinama has been around, and considering how much Igbo people are in love with the idea of being loved by Israel, that at least one Israel-sympathizing son or daughter of the soil would have manifested oral tradition from his or her local community that affirms something; anything. Yet, all you Israel-loving fools are still here saying "Coincidence? I think not". The only oral tradition you carry is... *silence* ... yes, 'til this date, you all have yet to actually tell us anything concrete. But, rejoice, Oha Igbo Gburu Gburu! Today marks a momentous day in Igbo history. One of our Israel-loving members will finally share something concrete with us. Iyaa, hammerFC, zni we. We are waiting. Share with us these corroborating oral traditions. Trust me, many of us here would very much like to know, maybe even more than most Igbo on this forum. Now mind you, you went out of your way to make a very audacious claim. You claim to have actual oral tradition; something that we all can hear, read, research, verify. You've graduated from speculator to claimant. Do you know what this means? It means that failure on your part to produce these empirically, verifiable details graduates you from intellectual laziness to intellectual fraudulence. A liar, in plain and simple terms. So, I will help you out, by giving you the opportunity to take back anything you stated, without any recourse. I give my word to not ridicule you, persecute you or otherwise dismiss you entirely. If you know you are lying and recant now, we can move on amicably. If you choose to not recant, then I have little choice but to ask for the information you have, so that I may research and verify myself, because I would very much like to. You are claiming you have the capacity to vindicate your fellow Israel-sympathizers. With zero judgement, I will accept the oral tradition you have to offer and the names of the community/communities from whence the traditions can be traced, so that I may embark on my own journey of enlightenment. 5 Likes |
Re: . by hammerFC: 6:59pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
ChinenyeN: We are taliking Oral tradition, he is still looking for journals. Guy, i will come back to u wen am less busy. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by Nowenuse: 7:02pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi: I must confess that I love the way you write ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 7:04pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
hammerFC: As the Americans say, chop chop hammerFC. Dump it all here so that we may know which communities and which oral traditions all of us sons and daughters of the soil have so woefully missed, with our collective knowledge of the oral traditions of the various communities in the Lower Niger. 2 Likes |
Re: . by hammerFC: 7:11pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
ChinenyeN: Every question pose towards me, I have supported with research. I find it strange that Nwafor Igbo is asking about the Oral tradion, wen u are very familiar with Obu Gad and Umueri oral tradition. An area that represent the origin of present day Igbo. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by NaijirianKing: 7:46pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Sure? 1 Like |
Re: . by Obi1kenobi(m): 7:49pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
ChinenyeN: There are people worth having a cogent, coherent debate with. Hammerfc is one of those guys without much self-awareness to know when he's talking utter rubbish. Those without self-awareness can't offer self-critique. You need self-awareness to recognize flaws in your argument and he has none. So "debating" with him is futile. Like playing chess with a pigeon: knocks over the pieces, shiits all over the board and struts around like a victor. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by Banmeallday: 8:06pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi: Where is the evidence that you are even a Nigerian I ask you again? Except for the mindset and behavior that is associated with Nigger people which the name Nigeria implies, there is nothing else....sad for you as it may seem So if you “mourn and celebrate” the failed Super Eagles then it is a cultural thing like you denied earlier no? As it is in every proper country, they are not celebrating or endorsing rogues to lead them, and as in the UK or Canada, call for referendum was not referred to from opposition as call for war. As it is in every proper country, the people are indeed proud of their national airlines and hospitals, highways and universities, and celebrate their homogeneous foundations, unlike the Nigger Area that only celebrates for parties and jokes..... Igbo have for a long time knew who they have been, as do Fulani, as do Yoruba, ditto the reason of so much problems. Yet none of them have any evidence of being Nigerian before a harlot came up with “Nigger Area”. So as you are celebrating a fake identity, fake country, fake soccer team, and think the world does not know, you should try to see how you can benefit your people and create progress instead of talking what you dont know, If not then sorry for you. Food for thought #4 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by AmuDimpka: 8:18pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
pazienza: I keep loving you...You don't need to beg them The Saxons , the Normandy , the Londoners etc are some tribes in England that united united English The sender thing with frank Even Dutch ..The German, the Austrians , the Netherlands united and answer Dutch Abeg leave them 1 Like |
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 8:43pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
hammerFC: First of all, I'm nwa afo Ngwa. Let's be on the same page about that. Secondly, yes, I do recall hearing of the 20th century reauthorization of Obu Uga to Obu Gad. Funny enough, it took almost a century after European contact before the Eri lineage changed Obu Uga to Obu Gad. It is interesting that they never once mentioned anything Israeli or Hebrew related to the Europeans. Hm. Perhaps this is the thing that requires research. As in, why did they not tell the Eurpeans, if indeed they always knew the truth? Even after converting to Christianity, not a single thing jogged their memory. It took 100 years, and the victimization of a Civil War for the Eri lineage suddenly remember that they are a lost tribe of Israel? Interesting. I appreciate the insight. I might stow it away for future and further investigation. Either the Eri lied at the beginning or they lied at the end... This can really call into question any number of the Eri lineage's other claims. Wow. This is groundbreaking, actually. Thank you. Thirdly, and in lieu of the recent revelations regarding the Eri lineage in this thread, any purported oral tradition that insists on peddling a narrative of Eri being the origin of "ndị Igbo" is automatically suspended until satisfactory and independent verification. 1 Like |
Re: . by Obi1kenobi(m): 8:49pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Banmeallday: The evidence is I was born in Nigeria and grew up here all my life and my only international passport is Nigerian. You can keep going about "Nigger area". That "Nigger area" is our homeland whether the entity was created by the colonialists or not. Same way the colonialists helped facilitate the unified consciousness of several Igbo/Igboid clans under one umbrella of Igbo identity. Which cultural thing have I denied? What does supporting the Super Eagles which belong to us have to do with Jew claiming which is a fraud? Look, I like an argument, but at least the person arguing has to make sense and I have to understand what he's trying to say. At this point, I'm lost as to what point you're even trying to make.
None of the emboldened has anything to do with me or my comments. I have not celebrated any rogues or anything of the sort. Anyone who knows me here on in real life knows I've probably never had a good thing to say about Nigeria in my life. On the Kenya/Nigeria thread on this forum, I probably attack Nigeria more than the Kenyans there. How does any of what you're typing relate with my critiques of Jew-claimers? Yes, Fulanis know who they are. They can chart their history through centuries because they built powerful states and conquered many groups. Igbos having less of a grasp of their pre-colonial history. Which makes us more likely to invent myths than the likes of Fulanis: myths like claiming to be Jewish. The italicized comments are just absurd. Nobody claims they were Nigerians before colonialism. ![]() Finally, benefiting or progressing your people has nothing to do with claiming fake identities. Creating progress is strengthening our Igbo consciousness - not Jew-claiming nonsense. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 8:54pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi: Ọchị lei! Lol. Quite graphic. I definitely get your point. Believe me, I'm tempted to be outright dismissive (as I typically am), but I got intrigued as to what evidence he might provide, because this is the first time I'm hearing someone from his camp ever claim to hold local oral tradition as corroboration. It is an opportunity to vindicate his camp. I wanted to see if he would take it. 2 Likes |
Re: . by Obi1kenobi(m): 8:56pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
What this thread has taught me is that the Jew-claiming fraud among Igbos is actually more widespread than I thought. Though I should have known by the number of Igbos that mount Israel flags on their car dashboards, or keke or okada. Genuinely, many Igbos do walk around with the self-delusion that they are Jews. A real shame. Pitiful. We have a lot of work on our hands to re-educate so many ignorant people. Having little knowledge of your history doesn't mean you have to embrace fraudulent myths. 2 Likes |
Re: . by InyinyaAgbaOku(m): 8:59pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Obi1kenobi, thank you for decimating these friable myths with facts upon facts. Just look at the shameful exhibition going on here. One of them even confessed they have to claim Jewish for Jews to support Biafra. See how low these people are ready to drag themselves not me. Most Archeoloical facts in Igbo land predates Abraham , yet these clowns keep talking of Hebrew heritage. None of their ancestors never told them this Jewish story, they only made it up from the Bible that was introduced to them by the same Christianity they love to diss. Smh 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by Nobody: 9:06pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
superlightning: |
Re: . by hammerFC: 9:10pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
ChinenyeN: Not necessarily, it can only be suspended after verification to be inaccurate. Whether Obu Uga or Obu Gad, it is funny how these words always have this near miss coincidence. Wen does a coincidence becomes too many to be dismissed as mere coincidence? The right question here should be about their religious and cultural practice that are similar to the ancient hebrew. Mind you, they never made it to Israel, they are Ancient Hebrew and even the name Igbo is said to be a corruption of the word Hebrew. Yet another coincidence? It took 100 years, and the victimization of a Civil War for the Eri lineage suddenly remember that they are a lost tribe of Israel? Now this is where, i will hit u with a final research to nudge you in the right direction. The State of Israel was not in existence when the Europeans arrived. Those that made it to the promise land had been scattered across Europe and middle east. Hebrew words can only be gotten from areas the Ancient Hebrew settled after migration from the Ancient City of David. If we conduct research, i am telling u, the findings will be astonishing. 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: . by Nobody: 9:16pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
NaijirianKing:you omitted Enugu . |
Re: . by NaijirianKing: 9:42pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
Sure? |
Re: . by hammerFC: 9:46pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
ChinenyeN: The Israelites were poised to enter Canaan. Before they crossed the Jordan River and moved west, God spoke to Joshua some words of encouragement. Included was a promise of even more land later (Joshua 1:4). For the time being, though, the land they would inherit would be west of the Jordan (Joshua 1:2). Yet, even before the Israelites entered the Promised Land, the tribes of Reuben, Gad, and the half-tribe of Manasseh had already staked out their claim—they chose to settle east of the Jordan. 2 Likes |
Re: . by vanbonattel: 9:46pm On Oct 30, 2018 |
hammerFC: You are too much. Too much facts that nobody can argue with you. 3 Likes |
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