proxillin:


You are too intellectually lazy. How do we explain this to you.

You copied Igbo artifact and copy Ile ife town.

Ile ife town is new. But the artifact their are older than the town. Stop dating Ile ife. You date Igbo art, but dated Ile ife town.

Jeez I'm tired. Bye

Lazy man. U created a thread you can't defend. You chickened out. Shame

McStoic:
OP is prolly Yoruba. Be that as it may, West Africa witnessed the highest number of slaves taken to the New World / The Americas. Southern American States like Virginia and Tennessee can attest to this. Kunta Kinte of that famous biography Roots was from SeneGambia i.e. Modern day Gambia, precisely from Wolof tribe. His great great grandson Alex Harley authored the book Roots and they have a memorial building in Nashville, Tennessee. About 30% of blacks in Virginia/West Virginia or the Southerm US state as a whole have Igbo Ancestry.

Yorubas dominate Sierra Leone, Brazil. Benin Republic certainly has voodoo as their own. In short, they and Haiti are the originators. Many blacks of Haiti are of Beninoise descent.

Hausas' distance from the coastal regions really benefited them.

Modified:
THIS WOULD INTEREST SOME OF YOU ABOUT THE IGBO SPIRIT. A STORY ABOUT 75 IGBO SLAVES WHO TOOK COMMAND OF THEIR SLAVE SHIP AND COMMITTED MASS SUICIDE IN A PLACE CALLED IGBO LANDING IN GEORGIA. THAT BRAVERY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
READ THIS;
https://blackpast.org/aah/igbo-landing-mass-suicide-1803

I just knew some unfortunate ipod will even contest about slavery again. of all the tribes mentioned, he had to single out Yoruba out of low self esteem and the usual crazy need to always compare and measure up. You must contest with yorubas for everything even when they do not trouble you. Now he is talking crap about bravery....Na wa ooo

Osagyefo98:


Thank God igbos. Didn't notice that statement coz it would have put that thread onn fire.

Abi? Lol. I dnt knw what's wif pple writing what dey knw nothing abt.

Ozibe:


Inferiority complex. We talking influence. Igbos(Culture,language and music influence) is spread all over the Americas( North, south and carribean) if u don't know,do more research. That you have minority Yoruba's in Benin, doesn't make u influential. Igbos are also in equatorial guinea, Gabon and Cameroon. In addition to the igbos settled all over the world in mass, living there and doing their business.

What is the population of the minority Yoruba tribe in Benin republic and that of the migrant igbos living and doing business there. Asides, do they see themselves as Yoruba, abi Yoruba just dey claim them?


Igbos is a recognised language in Equatorial guinea. The biokos in equatorial guinea are igbos.

The number of igbos in Cameroon alone is more than the number of igbos in Lagos. Kumba is the largest English speaking city in Cameroon, is know in Cameroon as an Igbo city. That is why Igbo and nigeria is used interchangeably in Cameroon.

Afonja Op educated ursef.

lol...ipods always crazy about afonjas. una still dey follow drag influential. you that your language is going into extinction.

proxillin:
5th Position: Fon people

They are the largest ethnic group in Benin Republic. They are also found in South West Nigeria. They are hybrid of other African tribes. Oral history has it that they were formed from intermarriage of Aijaa and Yorubas creating a new ethnic group called Fon. The Fon people created a very popular kingdom called Dahomey as they are well known for their female warriors. In fact Black Panthers movies was inspired by Dahomey Female warriors (Amazonian Warriors). They were victims and victimized during the slave trade. They are the most popular in Trinidad and T, Haiti. Due to their Yoruba ancestry, they are renowned for their black Juju practise in America. There black magic origin is traced to the Yorubas. Voodoo was significant during their war of freedom from slavery.

Yu no serious... so it is because of their Yoruba ancestry that Fons are renowned for "Black Juju"?
Wtf is black juju to begin with? Blue juju nko?

What was the population of entire Ghana and the Ashanti tribe even today compared to the Yoruba?

Ozibe:


Op I will respond to this falsehood in another thread later. It is good to say good things about Yoruba but please, saying things that don't add up and worse listing them as number 2 on what basis? Where are the Ashanti's of Ghana.. Please make sure u are well researched on this topic cos, I will come and dismantle allbur lies. Later when I'm less busy. Stay tuned.

Ozibe:



I'm actually suprised that off all that I wrote , all you picked on was about age of the different cultures, does it mean, u aren't disputing others. meaning u have accepted ur write up about the Yoruba's was flawed, biased and only aimed a propagation falsehood about the Yoruba's?

As for the ages of the cultures. Well. Stop shaming uraef and exposing ur oluwole research works because, even Wikipedia is not saving ur ass.


As u can see Igbo ukwu art which is the oldest discovered artifact is of the 9th century.

Now check that of Benin which is even older than life. Now I understand why u have been attaching Yoruba's and Benin in ur write up. U wanna tap from the history to represent the Yoruba's...Ole. Thief


Igbo ukwu 1 and 2

Benin 3

Ile lfe 4

Did u really suggest that the Benin's artifacts are older than the Ile-Ife's artifacts?

If that was what u suggested, then u just exposed your dumbness, and I will help u expose it more by asking u to provide ur evidence.

How can Benin's artifacts be older than Ile-Ife's, when the Bini's themselves admitted to the Europeans that the art and science of bronze casting was taught to them by the people of Ile-Ife.

Some people will just be spewing bullocks confidently, thinking everyone else is dumb.


Dating of the artifacts shows that Ile-Ife's was in fact centuries earlier.

Na wa for you oo


Furthermore, the fact alone that the Ile-Ife's artifacts date earlier than the Benin's artifacts is not conclusive proof that the civilization at Ile-Ife was earlier and ahead of the one at Benin.

This is simply because the situation of the dating of the artifacts from these two areas is simply a case of which artifacts were available for dating.

The corroborative evidence that nailed the fact of Ile-Ife's earlier civilization as compared to that of Benin was found in the oral traditions of the Bini's themselves which notes that they were relative new comers in the art and craft of casting metal because they had learnt their skills from Ife bronze casters.

To use the precise words of a British Museum documentary on the artifacts from these two areas:

"European experts might argue about the origins of the superb techniques (of metal casting) but to the Binis there is no mystery. Their tradiditions state that it was taught to them by bronze casters from the sacred city of Ife to which the kings of Benin pay homage"

It was this one fact that nailed the fact of Ife's earlier civilization, otherwise the dating would not have mean much, it would have simply meant that of the artifacts available for dating from the two areas, the Ife's were earlier.

In a similar vein, the earlier dates of Igbo-Ukwu artifacts as compared to those excavated at Ile-Ife doesn't mean more than what it means, that is, of the artifacts available for dating from the two areas, the Igbo-Ukwu artifacts date earlier.

It is simply a case of what was available for dating. Other corroborative evidence has to be adduced to conclude which of the two civilization was ahead of the other, otherwise such conclusions would be deemed a forced, unwarranted, and perhaps misleading one.


And if we are to blindly take whatever material available for dating as evidence, then radiocarbon dating of the Iwo-Eleru burial artifact (South West Nigeria) dates it to 11,000 BC, thus meaning that Yorubas are more indeginous to Southern Nigeria than anyone else?

Also, radiocarbon dating shows that the Oranmiyan staff (a sophisticated obelisk) dates to centuries before the date speculated to mark the start of the Oduduwa dynasty (i.e. at least centuries before the first century AD)

proxillin:

Yoruba or not, this is educational. And fact should superceede sentiment. I could have ranked Fulanis the second, but they disappear and mingle with their captors easily. Their influence is difficult to measure.

Rank fire. When I have the YouTube video u actually got this from.. I feel ur type and plagiarism.. It is a crime u know?

Ozibe:


Op I will respond to this falsehood in another thread later. It is good to say good things about Yoruba but please, saying things that don't add up and worse listing them as number 2 on what basis? Where are the Ashanti's of Ghana.. Please make sure u are well researched on this topic cos, I will come and dismantle allbur lies. Later when I'm less busy. Stay tuned.

This thread is FALSEHOOD on another level. Ozibe you must do a rejoinder to this trash lest this scratch-face succeeds to rewrite history. The OP is nothing but a falsehood peddling individual trying so hard to change the widely known fact that Igbo slaves made up the largest percentage of slave export to North America during the Atlantic slave trade. It is all on net and in historical records. This same topic been discoursed in several threads here on Nairaland and in other fora with facts & records presented which attested to Igbo slave majority. I can sense clearly what is behind OPs decision on this attempt to rewrite history. The OP must have come across a research work or publication done by a student or coleague, as regards Atlantic slave trade which stated Igbos slaves as the major makeup of export to the North America. And out of jealousy as is norm with the Yorubas, he sought to create a topic on ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE so as to mislead unsuspecting researchers. You can sense this plot by how he CAREFULLY coined the topic (10 MOST INFLUENTIAL TRIBES DURING THE ATLANTIC TRADE). This makes it easy for further unsuspecting researchers to come across it and thereby swallow the misinformation laced therein. Somewhere along the line when his propaganda got bursted, he quickly called it MATERIAL FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE in attempt to make his conclusions look legit and authentic..Lols whereas it nothing more than an attempt at revising historical records. Every student of history knows that the Yorubas made up one of the smallest percentage of black slaves and records showed that it was only during the end of the slave trade era that people in the Yoruba region were captured and sold. But What he does not know is that no matter how much he tries, this falsehood will not stand. Please a counter is desired!!!

Ozibe:


How do mean influence? What makes Yoruba more influencial than the igbos. The igbos were the most sort after slaves and most expensive because of the hard work and fair complexion. The igbos were seen as superior race. www.nairaland.com/attachments/3606242_img20150921052004edit_jpeg1e50872f539456818f3b813301de20e3

Mind u, 60% of the Black's you see in america today originated from bight of biafra (through the port of calabar and bonny) which composed of the ijaws, efiks, Ibibio and majority igbos. What notable slave of Yoruba origin was more influential than Olaudah Equiano, who born his freedom, rallied round to work to abolishment of slavery. And he is the reason slave trade was abolished? Which Yoruba's slave was more notable than James Africanus B Horton, whose works was recommended to the British house of common for the establishment of self government?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3606203_265940620150722195618jpeg4f3d8eea0d927617038a897e4bd7efd1_jpeg_jpegceaf32e4c1a92c7bcec4254f46e42d8a

What notable historical event, action or activities was taken by the Yoruba's slaves like the Igbo landing at St. Simons Island, Glynn County, Georgia.which today is a historical tourist site and has been used to teach about black history in america till this day.

What of Nat Turner, the rebel Igbo slave who fought against white oppression and his story has been adapted into a movie "Birth of a Nation".

What of the word Ebony? Do you know it was adopted from the word EBO as it was called then? ...op if you are new to nairaland. Just stay humble before u are disgraced out of here.

Another big lie from you, Yoruba's and Fulani's are not the largest ethnic group in African. I don't know which is the largest but I know the by 1920 populations census, igbos were not only almost double Yoruba's, they were 2/3 of southern Nigerian. (Check physical anthropology of southern Nigeria). www.nairaland.com/attachments/3606711_img20160415205559_jpeg6889d8ed59c6c554cfd840f11f842271

Again, another lie, Yoruba's are not older than igbos. Igbos are the oldest ethnic group, to inhabit nigeria. Don't worry, I will post all for you. You are a fake researcher, a bias one and you know nothing. Shame.

This is the same way you all deceived yourselves with most educated, most professors, most doctors, lawyers and engineers. Yet facts and documents keep showing that you guys are far behind the igbos. You guys cant make an objective research without being biased. What are u guys ashame of, why do you like lying to urselves

You have really exposed him. Ask him to attach a record where number of yoloba slaves were ever recorded to surpass that of the Igbo's & watch how he runs away.
Pls when making a rejoinder, Put it in the either in the politics section or culture section.
#OperationBurstYolobaLies

proxillin:
People mentioning Ijaws...Hausas...

These tribes are not as infuential as Zulu.

The list is top 10. If we are to continue. Zulu will make 11th position.

Zulus were not part of the transantlantic slave trade. Read the topic right.

rapwide:
where calaba pipu na lolz

Exactly. Ibibio/efik people were also very influential in the transantlantic slave trade. This article definitely failed to recognize them as they were also a large coastal ethnic group.
Ibibio-efik words even exist in one of the creoles of some Caribbean countries, to show you the influence. I read about this. Take note @OP Proxillin

proxillin:


The video influenced my work. And the video you watched placed Yoruba as 2nd too. Ofcourse I know the owner of the video, we belong to the same group. However, I didnt influence his decision.

Let me ask you. Which of the tribes in Africa is known for any religion in Americas? Only Yorubas. Yoruba is now a religion in American Continent.

They influence their host. I dont know why this is debatable to anyone.

You are the one who is clearly bias here. A simple search through wikipedia will even shut your mouth.

Let me restate that this is for education purpose. If you feel aggrieved that your ethnic group is not well represented, kindly rewrite your own history and push it to wikipedia.

I admire this thread of yours. Kudos.

But please, Yoruba religion is not the only surviving religion of the Americas. Vodun (which belongs to the Fon people of Benin republic) is very popular in Haiti and other places. Also, that of the Angolan/Congolese is also quite influential and observed among the Santeria religion of Cuba, that of Brazil and others.

Yoruba religion was heavily and largely retained in Brazil and Cuba due to the 'recent arrival' of an extremely large population of Yoruba slaves even up into to the 18/19th century when slavery had been largely abolished.

proxillin:


Thats not fatcual.
1. Jews
2. Arabs
3. Asians


Maybe Yorubas will make 20th position.

Jews are the most influential race on the planet.

Exactly... Can yoruba really make top 50? When we have the Japanese, Han Chinese, Koreans, English, French, Italian, Castillian, Germans, Portuguese, Dutch, Scandinavians, Russians, Persians etc?

@ImperialYoruba, just stop claiming thrash. No native African ethnicity can be among the top 20 influential in the world if we are to be realistic... What have we really achieved and what do we have to show for in the world today?

If we talk about history, only African ethnic groups like Abyssinians (present day Amharas etc), Nubians, Egyptians, etc may stand out today. Did yorubas evolve and indigenous system of writing before Arabic and English writing came? Where are the monumental buildings and structures erected by the yorubas before contacts with whites?

Ozibe:


How do mean influence? What makes Yoruba more influencial than the igbos. The igbos were the most sort after slaves and most expensive because of the hard work and fair complexion. The igbos were seen as superior race. www.nairaland.com/attachments/3606242_img20150921052004edit_jpeg1e50872f539456818f3b813301de20e3

Mind u, 60% of the Black's you see in america today originated from bight of biafra (through the port of calabar and bonny) which composed of the ijaws, efiks, Ibibio and majority igbos. What notable slave of Yoruba origin was more influential than Olaudah Equiano, who born his freedom, rallied round to work to abolishment of slavery. And he is the reason slave trade was abolished? Which Yoruba's slave was more notable than James Africanus B Horton, whose works was recommended to the British house of common for the establishment of self government?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3606203_265940620150722195618jpeg4f3d8eea0d927617038a897e4bd7efd1_jpeg_jpegceaf32e4c1a92c7bcec4254f46e42d8a

What notable historical event, action or activities was taken by the Yoruba's slaves like the Igbo landing at St. Simons Island, Glynn County, Georgia.which today is a historical tourist site and has been used to teach about black history in america till this day.

What of Nat Turner, the rebel Igbo slave who fought against white oppression and his story has been adapted into a movie "Birth of a Nation".

What of the word Ebony? Do you know it was adopted from the word EBO as it was called then? ...op if you are new to nairaland. Just stay humble before u are disgraced out of here.

Another big lie from you, Yoruba's and Fulani's are not the largest ethnic group in African. I don't know which is the largest but I know the by 1920 populations census, igbos were not only almost double Yoruba's, they were 2/3 of southern Nigerian. (Check physical anthropology of southern Nigeria). www.nairaland.com/attachments/3606711_img20160415205559_jpeg6889d8ed59c6c554cfd840f11f842271

Again, another lie, Yoruba's are not older than igbos. Igbos are the oldest ethnic group, to inhabit nigeria. Don't worry, I will post all for you. You are a fake researcher, a bias one and you know nothing. Shame.

This is the same way you all deceived yourselves with most educated, most professors, most doctors, lawyers and engineers. Yet facts and documents keep showing that you guys are far behind the igbos. You guys cant make an objective research without being biased. What are u guys ashame of, why do you like lying to urselves

Nice facts from you my man. I won't be surprised if the OP Proxillin is a yoruba person. However, his work is commendable, just that we can kindly disagree with some of his points.

I think when he talks about INFLUENCE IN SLAVE TRADE, he mostly hinted on the population of slaves taken away and most importantly, how much of the culture or influence of the ethnic group survives in the Americas today. I'm not so sure. But if I'm correct, then the Proxillin may not really be wrong on Yoruba being more influential than Igbo in the slave trade.

From my point of view, I vehemently disagree with Yoruba or Fulani being the largest ethnic group in Africa, not even West Africa. Hausas and Mende speaking peoples should be larger, whereas in Africa as a whole, Oromos, Somalis and Amharas will definitely come in. How about Berbers? They should really be the largest. If Arab can count, it's definitely the largest.
However I think Yorubas could most likely be more than Igbos considering their additional population in Benin republic and Togo.

Ozibe:


Op I will respond to this falsehood in another thread later. It is good to say good things about Yoruba but please, saying things that don't add up and worse listing them as number 2 on what basis? Where are the Ashanti's of Ghana.. Please make sure u are well researched on this topic cos, I will come and dismantle allbur lies. Later when I'm less busy. Stay tuned.

Gbam. I almost forgot the Akan people (Ashantis etc of Ghana & Ivory coast).
@Proxillin. Any list without the Akan people cannot be taken seriously. These people are most likely the largest coastal ethnic group of West Africa and even arguably Africa as a whole. They are the dominant ethnic group in Ghana & Ivory coast and number over 20million people.

TAO11:



Did u really suggest that the Benin's artifacts are older than the Ile-Ife's artifacts?

If that was what u suggested, then u just exposed your dumbness, and I will help u expose it more by asking u to provide ur evidence.

How can Benin's artifacts be older than Ile-Ife's, when the Bini's themselves admitted to the Europeans that the art and science of bronze casting was taught to them by the people of Ile-Ife.

Some people will just be spewing bullocks confidently, thinking everyone else is dumb.


Dating of the artifacts shows that Ile-Ife's was in fact centuries earlier.

Na wa for you oo


Furthermore, the fact alone that the Ile-Ife's artifacts date earlier than the Benin's artifacts is not conclusive proof that the civilization at Ile-Ife was earlier and ahead of the one at Benin.

This is simply because the situation of the dating of the artifacts from these two areas is simply a case of which artifacts were available for dating.

The corroborative evidence that nailed the fact of Ile-Ife's earlier civilization as compared to that of Benin was found in the oral traditions of the Bini's themselves which notes that they were relative new comers in the art and craft of casting metal because they had learnt their skills from Ife bronze casters.

To use the precise words of a British Museum documentary on the artifacts from these two areas:

"European experts might argue about the origins of the superb techniques (of metal casting) but to the Binis there is no mystery. Their tradiditions state that it was taught to them by bronze casters from the sacred city of Ife to which the kings of Benin pay homage"

It was this one fact that nailed the fact of Ife's earlier civilization, otherwise the dating would not have mean much, it would have simply meant that of the artifacts available for dating from the two areas, the Ife's were earlier.

In a similar vein, the earlier dates of Igbo-Ukwu artifacts as compared to those excavated at Ile-Ife doesn't mean more than what it means, that is, of the artifacts available for dating from the two areas, the Igbo-Ukwu artifacts date earlier.

It is simply a case of what was available for dating. Other corroborative evidence has to be adduced to conclude which of the two civilization was ahead of the other, otherwise such conclusions would be deemed a forced, unwarranted, and perhaps misleading one.


And if we are to blindly take whatever material available for dating as evidence, then radiocarbon dating of the Iwo-Eleru burial artifact (South West Nigeria) dates it to 11,000 BC, thus meaning that Yorubas are more indeginous to Southern Nigeria than anyone else?

Also, radiocarbon dating shows that the Oranmiyan staff (a sophisticated obelisk) dates to centuries before the date speculated to mark the start of the Oduduwa dynasty (i.e. at least centuries before the first century AD)

Iwo eleru also know as Owo eleru - money from slave mechandize

olajide8:


Iwo eleru also know as Owo eleru - money from slave mechandize

Any evidence for the "also known as" ?

Moreover, Eleru means "one who causes fear"; "one who has got lots properties, loads, etc"; among other meanings depending on the tone of pronouncing it.

Nowenuse:


I admire this thread of yours. Kudos.

But please, Yoruba religion is not the only surviving religion of the Americas. Vodun (which belongs to the Fon people of Benin republic) is very popular in Haiti and other places. Also, that of the Angolan/Congolese is also quite influential and observed among the Santeria religion of Cuba, that of Brazil and others.

Yoruba religion was heavily and largely retained in Brazil and Cuba due to the 'recent arrival' of an extremely large population of Yoruba slaves even up into to the 18/19th century when slavery had been largely abolished.

The Fon are actually a Yoruboid hybrid. Little wonder the 2 indeginous languages in Benin Republic are Yoruba and Fon.

Edo ?

Useless list

TAO11:



Ignorance is bliss, enjoy your bliss while it lasts.


However, go read about Oba Ovanramwen Nogbaisi. The Europeans actually messed him up. They took slaves (almost for free sef), looted the kindom's artefacts and burnt down the city.

Oba had to go into hiding in the forest for months because the Europeans had received orders that the Oba should be executed by hanging.

He was later pardoned but expelled from his own kingdom. In fact, he grew old and died there in exile at Calabar and buried there according to some sources (hence the reason why his head could not be sent to Ife for burial and other rites like his predecessors).

I didn't mean to hurt you with this historical facts, I was only trying to liberate you from your delusion of grandeur. I hope you understand ...

They didn’t get any slaves for free. The slave trade was abolished. This event your talking about happened in 1897, which was after slave trade. This was the beginning of colonization not slave trade. The Europeans stole artifacts not people

TAO11:



Did u really suggest that the Benin's artifacts are older than the Ile-Ife's artifacts?

If that was what u suggested, then u just exposed your dumbness, and I will help u expose it more by asking u to provide ur evidence.

How can Benin's artifacts be older than Ile-Ife's, when the Bini's themselves admitted to the Europeans that the art and science of bronze casting was taught to them by the people of Ile-Ife.

Some people will just be spewing bullocks confidently, thinking everyone else is dumb.


Dating of the artifacts shows that Ile-Ife's was in fact centuries earlier.

Na wa for you oo


Furthermore, the fact alone that the Ile-Ife's artifacts date earlier than the Benin's artifacts is not conclusive proof that the civilization at Ile-Ife was earlier and ahead of the one at Benin.

This is simply because the situation of the dating of the artifacts from these two areas is simply a case of which artifacts were available for dating.

The corroborative evidence that nailed the fact of Ile-Ife's earlier civilization as compared to that of Benin was found in the oral traditions of the Bini's themselves which notes that they were relative new comers in the art and craft of casting metal because they had learnt their skills from Ife bronze casters.

To use the precise words of a British Museum documentary on the artifacts from these two areas:

"European experts might argue about the origins of the superb techniques (of metal casting) but to the Binis there is no mystery. Their tradiditions state that it was taught to them by bronze casters from the sacred city of Ife to which the kings of Benin pay homage"

It was this one fact that nailed the fact of Ife's earlier civilization, otherwise the dating would not have mean much, it would have simply meant that of the artifacts available for dating from the two areas, the Ife's were earlier.

In a similar vein, the earlier dates of Igbo-Ukwu artifacts as compared to those excavated at Ile-Ife doesn't mean more than what it means, that is, of the artifacts available for dating from the two areas, the Igbo-Ukwu artifacts date earlier.

It is simply a case of what was available for dating. Other corroborative evidence has to be adduced to conclude which of the two civilization was ahead of the other, otherwise such conclusions would be deemed a forced, unwarranted, and perhaps misleading one.


And if we are to blindly take whatever material available for dating as evidence, then radiocarbon dating of the Iwo-Eleru burial artifact (South West Nigeria) dates it to 11,000 BC, thus meaning that Yorubas are more indeginous to Southern Nigeria than anyone else?

Also, radiocarbon dating shows that the Oranmiyan staff (a sophisticated obelisk) dates to centuries before the date speculated to mark the start of the Oduduwa dynasty (i.e. at least centuries before the first century AD)

Yorubas are the ones claiming that they taught Binis the artwork that has amazed Europeans.
I never heard of Binis saying that Yorubas taught them the art. There’s no where in the history books about the esteemed Benin bronzes, that it says Yorubas taught Binis. That’s a big lie.

If that was the case Yoruba art would be more popular. Blacks need to stop attaching and stealing others history

Stunner60:

You have really exposed him. Ask him to attach a record where number of yoloba slaves were ever recorded to surpass that of the Igbo's & watch how he runs away.
Pls when making a rejoinder, Put it in the either in the politics section or culture section.
#OperationBurstYolobaLies

Bro, what is the source of your rabid hatred and resentment for Yoruba people? I have observed that consistent trend in virtually all of your submissions pertaining to the group. You always sound so bitter, as if you have been wrong in one way or another by a Yoruba person, either in your previous life or the present one. I find this quite intriguing.

TAO11:



Any evidence for the "also known as" ?

Moreover, Eleru means "one who causes fear"; "one who has got lots properties, loads, etc"; among other meanings depending on the tone of pronouncing it.

Actually, Iwo Eleru in this context means cave or hole of Ash.

Nowenuse:


Gbam. I almost forgot the Akan people (Ashantis etc of Ghana & Ivory coast).
@Proxillin. Any list without the Akan people cannot be taken seriously. These people are most likely the largest coastal ethnic group of West Africa and even arguably Africa as a whole. They are the dominant ethnic group in Ghana & Ivory coast and number over 20million people.

How can Akans be the largest coastal ethnic group of West Africa? When Yorubas are there?
Besides, Akan is a meta-ethnicity just like “Bantu” or “Mande” or “Berbers” or “Arabs” which are not actual or proper ethnicities but rather- groups conposed of numerous others which aren’t necessarily the same. An Ashanti Man is not Nzema and a Fante is not Brong (the ones listed in the opening post)
Among the berbers for example, the same applies- A Tuareg man is very different from a Kabylie of Chleuh , even if they are all berberids.

TAO11:



Ignorance is bliss, enjoy your bliss while it lasts.


However, go read about Oba Ovanramwen Nogbaisi. The Europeans actually messed him up. They took slaves (almost for free sef), looted the kindom's artefacts and burnt down the city.

Oba had to go into hiding in the forest for months because the Europeans had received orders that the Oba should be executed by hanging.

He was later pardoned but expelled from his own kingdom. In fact, he grew old and died there in exile at Calabar and buried there according to some sources (hence the reason why his head could not be sent to Ife for burial and other rites like his predecessors).

I didn't mean to hurt you with this historical facts, I was only trying to liberate you from your delusion of grandeur. I hope you understand ...

When Oba Ovonramwen was fighting a war against the british, your ancestors were too busy giving up to the brutush without a fight. It is not news to anybody that Benin Kingdom lost a war to the british eventhough you seem to just have discovered it. Incase you didn't notice Nenin city (capital of the kingdom) is now part of british created nigeria. As for your other inaccurate claims: 1) the slave trade had already ended when Benin Kingdom fought uk.
2) the Oba of Benin left his palace and went into hiding (with his servants and generals and familly) only when his army had lost to the uk and british soldiers were about to take Benin City. The emperor of Rusdia did the same when Napoleon attacked Russia.
3) No Oba of Benin has ever been buried in ife, you yoruba have to stop claiming us, we are not yoruba and we don't want to be, rewrite your own history and leave us out of your madness.

The yoruba have no history, they descend from freed slaves dumped in the southwest by europeans, to blend in they propagated a silly myth of oduduwa. Their roots are in brazil.

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Yorubas are the ones claiming that they taught Binis the artwork that has amazed Europeans.
I never heard of Binis saying that Yorubas taught them the art. There’s no where in the history books about the esteemed Benin bronzes, that it says Yorubas taught Binis. That’s a big lie.

If that was the case Yoruba art would be more popular. Blacks need to stop attaching and stealing others history

Calm down brother or sister. You got so emotional about things that has already occurred in the past which you can't change.


The Binis actually believe they were thought the art and craft by Ife bronze casters. I will pardon your naiveness on the subject matter, because the fact that you maintained otherwise caused me to smile and say to my self "s(he) is just been emotional and uninformed".



To refute a fact such as the one I presented above, it is not enough to only say that "There's no where in history books (where it is mentioned that) Yorubas taught Binis". Your task is actually simply provide a counter evidence and not just say _no_ emotionally.


I didn't only claim that the Ife casters taught the Binis, I provided corroborative evidence to support my claim from those who are the leading experts in the world on this specific subject, those who are the present custodian of the bronzes from the two areas, those who met and interviewed the natives ab initio.


I quoted the precise words used by the British Museum authorities and experts in a documentary on the artifacts from Ife and Benin.


The documentary showed that the Europeans were dumbfounded when they first sighted the bronzes and they strongly doubted their African origins, but the Binis kept convincing them that they made the bronzes thenselves and that the know-how was taught to them by Ife bronze casters.


To use the precise words used by the British Museum experts in an earlier section of the same documentary, they said:


"The (Bini) people who made these majestic sculptures dating from the 16th to the 19th century were relative new comers in the art and craft of casting metal. Their oral traditions told them that they had learnt their skills from Yoruba people of Ife about a hundred miles away to the North West"


The foregoing statements on the origin of the skills are clear, emphatic, and precise. What more expert statement do you which to see on this subject?


Interestingly, the Bini bronze casters of the days of yore actually casted a commemorative bronze figure of a horse rider which they themselves interpreted to the Europeans as depicting an Ife bronze caster bringing the knowledge of casting to Benin land. The Yoruba tribal marks on either cheeks of the horse rider quickly corroborates the Benin people's interpretation today.


So, not everything is about emotions, tribalism and superiority. Some things are just fact starring at us. The earlier we accept them as what they are, the earlier toxicity stays far away.


On the issue of popularity, the Benin bronzes became popular I would say for two reasons: The fact that they came centuries later, and more importantly because of the dramatic unacceptable circumstances surrounding how the Europeans acquired them in the first place (through massive looting) unlike in the case of Ife where the transfer of the realtively much earlier bronzes were mutual and cordial.


Let me conclude by having you ponder on Paula Ben-Amos (a worldclass expert on Benin kingdom and a prominent author on the subject) and what he alluded to in relation to the two civilizations [Ife and Igodomigodo (the name for Benin before Oranmiyan's expedition to the land)].

Paula Ben-Amos noted that the people of Igodomigodo would be seeing a horse for the first time when Oranmiyan rode one into their land after the Bini's had consulted Ife for political and spiritual direction.