obixcel:
So ''Patriotism'' can be ''extreme''...That's like saying an extreme form of love for one's own family.

Yes, patriotism can be extreme. Read the history of Nazi Germany, please!

Appleyard:


So trying to prevent illegals from entry your country illegally is extreme patriotism? It is on this thread I also learnt that when a president shake the hands of another president, he is legitimizing the actions of that president. It is now I believe that TDS is REAL!

God have mercy, for they know not what they do or say.

Was my "can't see", and "despite" too tiny?

It's official. Krysten Sinema, Democrat won the Arizona Senate seat being vacated by Sen Jeff Flake. Republican Martha Mcsally just conceded. Congrats to Senator elect Krysten Sinema.

Mindfulness:


Grow yourself a p*enis.

I have an amazing p*nis. Would you like to see?
Hey, good to know you're still here. Has your Trump-induced anxiety and paranoia gotten better or worse?

Abbeybailey:
It's official. Krysten Sinema, Democrat won the Arizona Senate seat being vacated by Sen Jeff Flake. Republican Martha Mcsally just conceded. Congrats to Senator elect Krysten Sinema.

Wow
That’s huge! She ran a spirited campaign, and would be one of two openly LGBT Senators in the new Senate. The other is Senator Tammy Baldwin.

The Senate count is now:
51 Republicans
47 Democrats (including the 2 independents - Angus King, and Bernie Sanders).
Two seats are yet to be called.

CNN sues the White House



You don't mean it! Just send somebody else! Morons! Hahahaha

wirinet:


Egocentricity is indeed a huge mental disease. You have world leaders, writers, scientists and intellectuals define the difference between nationalism and patriotism, citing the dangers of nationalism, and someone who has no achievement in his life will term them ignorant. Are you even qualified to wipe the ground Macron walks on?

Here are other definition of Nationalism by other intellectual greats;
“Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.”
― George Orwell

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.- Albert Einstein
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/albert_einstein_107012

Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first. - Charles de Gaulle
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/charles_de_gaulle_111702

even Merriam-Webster dictionary quoted by obixcel makes a distinction between Patriotism and Nationalism;

These two words may have shared a distinct sense in the 19th century, but they appear to have grown apart since. Or rather, it would be more accurate to say that only nationalism has grown apart, since the meaning of patriotism has remained largely unchanged. There are still obvious areas of overlap: we define patriotism as “love for or devotion to one’s country” and nationalism in part as “loyalty and devotion to a nation.” But the definition of nationalism also includes “exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.” This exclusionary aspect is not shared by patriotism. -https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/patriotism-vs-nationalism

Trump himself acknowledged the negative connotation of the word nationalism when he described himself as a nationalist;


I understand that IPOB are Nationalists, that is why hatred of others take precedence to love of themselves.

More babel. Anybody who claim to be a scholar can come forward to give his own thought on any word or phrase, but such independent definitions doesn't denigrate from the fact that the word or phrase concerned has its natural meaning to begin with.

Just as someone can define a knife to be a tool for cutting through food items, another scholar can come forward to define it as a tool used in killing people during a fight. While that is true, does it mean that the purpose of using a knife is strictly for killing? This is the mindset of the scholars you quoted, and also the idiotic postulations the Kid president of France was trying to pass on to the US president, and I find that very stupid and unintelligent.

Macron fails to know that when a word or phrase has a compound meaning, you cannot use it exclusively or try to make it an absolute. Let that sink in.

While Patriotism has been around for 150 years before the use of nationalism, the latter's original meaning naturally correlate with that of Patriotism. Nationalism came into popularity in the early 19th century, and it originally means strong devotion and loyalty to one's country.

It was not until the 20th century when matters of political sovereignty and battle for self-determination takes central stage that some scholars started introducing different conceptual definitions to the original meaning of the term nationalism. But it never denies the fact that it shares same original idea with Patriotism.

Therefore, the assumption that fighting for the right of one's country is radical nationalism is, I must say, sheer fallacy, baseless and puerile.

You forget to mention that the Macron you are talking about is the president of a country that thinks its language and culture is better than all others. I guess you know nothing about the French policy of Association and the Policy of Assimilation used by colonial France on Africa. All colonial rule are rooted under the principles of radical nationalism, if we are to go by that term.

France and Britain are grandpatrons of nationalism, but i guess you don't know that because, when liberals are involved, nationalism can only mean "white nationalism", especially where Trump is the object of discussion. Pathetic thinking.

Every nation on earth has a presumably notion of nationalism, whether you like it or not. The Germans will forever see themselves as the most innovative people on earth, the British think they live a way of life that is unrivaled anywhere in the world, while the Jews think they are the most perculial set of people on the planet, even as the United States thinks its democracy and way of life trumps all others in the world, and so will do anything necessary to project the American dream even to the shores of other nations. All these are driven by Nationalistic ideas interwoven in Patriotism.

So for Macron to attempt lecturing the leader of another country about nationalism, when himself preside over one of the world's most nationalistic countries, makes him a hypocrite, or simply because he doesn't understand a jot of what the two terms actually meant from their original usage.

You can take that to the bank.

obixcel:
CNN sues the White House



You don't mean it! Just send somebody else! Morons! Hahahaha

Why don't you hop on a plane and come over to dismiss the CNN lawsuit. When you were born and raised under a Semi dictatorial government most of your life, it's no surprise that your antiquated third world mentality is an abomination. There's is something we call 1st amendment here which is foreign to you and your other racist a*s licking friends.

Appleyard:



More babel. Anybody who claim to be a scholar can come forward to give his own thought on any word or phrase, but such independent definitions doesn't denigrate from the fact that the word or phrase concerned has its natural meaning to begin with.

Just as someone can define a knife to be a tool for cutting through food items, another scholar can come forward to define it as a tool used in killing people during a fight. While that is true, does it mean that the purpose of using a knife is strictly for killing? This is the mindset of the scholars you quoted, and also the idiotic postulations the Kid president of France was trying to pass on to the US president, and I find that very stupid and unintelligent.

Macron fails to know that when a word or phrase has a compound meaning, you cannot use it exclusively or try to make it an absolute. Let that sink in.

While Patriotism has been around for 150 years before the use of nationalism, the latter's original meaning naturally correlate with that of Patriotism. Nationalism came into popularity in the early 19th century, and it originally means strong devotion and loyalty to one's country.

It was not until the 20th century when matters of political sovereignty and battle for self-determination takes central stage that some scholars started introducing different conceptual definitions to the original meaning of the term nationalism. But it never denies the fact that it shares same original idea with Patriotism.

Therefore, the assumption that fighting for the right of one's country is radical nationalism is, I must say, sheer fallacy, baseless and puerile.

You forget to mention that the Macron you are talking about is the president of a country that thinks its language and culture is better than all others. I guess you know nothing about the French policy of Association and the Policy of Assimilation used by colonial France on Africa. All colonial rule are rooted under the principles of radical nationalism, if we are to go by that term.

France and Britain are grandpatrons of nationalism, but i guess you don't know that because, when liberals are involved, nationalism can only mean "white nationalism", especially where Trump is the object of discussion. Pathetic thinking.

Every nation on earth has a presumably notion of nationalism, whether you like it or not. The Germans will forever see themselves as the most innovative people on earth, the British think they live a way of life that is unrivaled anywhere in the world, while the Jews think they are the most perculial set of people on the planet, even as the United States thinks its democracy and way of life trumps all others in the world, and so will do anything necessary to project the American dream even to the shores of other nations. All these are driven by Nationalistic ideas interwoven in Patriotism.

So for Macron to attempt lecturing the leader of another country about nationalism, when himself preside over one of the world's most nationalistic countries, makes him a hypocrite, or simply because he doesn't understand a jot of what the two terms actually meant from their original usage.

You can take that to the bank.

Garbage as usual from a racist pig Pom Pom waiving cheerleader. Trump called himself a Nationalist and every decent American knows that's a subliminal message to the Klans , Aryan members, White Nationalists , Storm Troopers and other vile degenerates that supports him. You can write your junk all you want on Nairaland, the Bottom line is you do not matter when the rubber meets the road.

obixcel:
CNN sues the White House



You don't mean it! Just send somebody else! Morons! Hahahaha

Send somebody else and let the White House get away with it?

You joking!

budaatum:

Send somebody else and let the White House get away with it?

You joking!

That guy is a clown . He think of Trampy as a King. There's a reason we don't have royalty in America. No one not even the POTUS is above the law. The clown think Americans should worship the racist pig he adores. Trump ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till January when the new Congress is sworn in and they start probing into his criminal financial dealings and his unreleased taxes. That will be America at her best with Checks and Balances.

Appleyard:

More babel. Anybody who claim to be a scholar can come forward to give his own thought on any word or phrase, but such independent definitions doesn't denigrate from the fact that the word or phrase concerned has its natural meaning to begin with.

There's one problem. It's that you can dress things up anyhow you like but you can't deny historical and shared meanings and context, especially when used or understood by some in that context!

Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a single national identity based on shared, social characteristics, such as culture and language, religion and politics, and a belief in a shared and singular common ancestry (i.e., outdated concepts of race and nationality).

"A single national identity based on shared, social characteristics, such as culture and language, religion and politics, and a belief in a shared and singular common ancestry" means, not everyone. Unless he takes the time to include those who might feel they aren't included, which some claim he's done the exact opposite of.

Here's [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rally_%28France%29?wprov=sfla1]info[/url] about France's nationalist party. And you'd find here a list of active nationalist parties in Europe. Please click on the links in the links to educate yourself on what Nationalism implies. You might understand why some people worry when they hear the word. But if you knew this already, please state your race, for the record. I'd understand if you were part of Trumps in-group.

It should however be noted that Americans tend to have definition of words that vary to meanings in Europe, so Trump might not mean 'Nationalist' in the classical European sense where the word is synonymous with racism, Hitler and far rightism. I'm open to being educated on this.

budaatum:

There's one problem. It's that you can dress things up anyhow you like but you can't deny historical and shared meanings and context, especially when used or understood by some in that context!

Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a single national identity based on shared, social characteristics, such as culture and language, religion and politics, and a belief in a shared and singular common ancestry (i.e., outdated concepts of race and nationality).

"A single national identity based on shared, social characteristics, such as culture and language, religion and politics, and a belief in a shared and singular common ancestry" means, not everyone. Unless he takes the time to include those who might feel they aren't included, which some claim he's done the exact opposite of.

Here's [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rally_%28France%29?wprov=sfla1]info[/url] about France's nationalist party. And you'd find here a list of active nationalist parties in Europe. Please click on the links in the links to educate yourself on what Nationalism implies. You might understand why some people worry when they hear the word. But if you knew this already, please state your race, for the record. I'd understand if you were part of Trumps in-group.

It should however be noted that Americans tend to have definition of words that vary to meanings in Europe, so Trump might not mean 'Nationalist' in the classical European sense where the word is synonymous with racism, Hitler and far rightism. I'm open to being educated on this.

All these long epistles you guys are dropping here is just a bunch of bullocks!!! Mahatma Ghandi, George Washington, James Madison, Kwame Nkrumah, Julius Nyerere, jomo Kenyatta, Nnamdi Azikiwe, Lee Kuan Yew all called themselves nationalists, why always naming only Hitler? If all those great men were evil and racists for calling themselves nationalist, then it is good to be evil and racist because those men were good and great men who changed the world for better, not these crazy liberals who think they can change the world by changing the meaning of words to suit whatever latest reason they have found to be angry about everything

Abbeybailey:
That guy is a clown . He think of Trampy as a King. There's a reason we don't have royalty in America. No one not even the POTUS is above the law. The clown think Americans should worship the racist pig he adores. Trump ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till January when the new Congress is sworn in and they start probing into his criminal financial dealings and his unreleased taxes. That will be America at her best with Checks and Balances.

2018 is ending and a certain old frail-looking baboon is still showing signs of madness. My advice to that baboon is for him to make sure this madness ends with 2018. No mad baboons must be allowed into 2019.

itchie:

All these long epistles you guys are dropping here is just a bunch of bullocks!!! Mahatma Ghandi, George Washington, James Madison, Kwame Nkrumah, Julius Nyerere, jomo Kenyatta, Nnamdi Azikiwe, Lee Kuan Yew all called themselves nationalists, why always naming only Hitler? If all those great men were evil and racists for calling themselves nationalist, then it is good to be evil and racist because those men were good and great men who changed the world for better, not these crazy liberals who think they can change the world by changing the meaning of words to suit whatever latest reason they have found to be angry about everything

Except, it's in the context. If Trump were fighting for American independence, his nationalism would be no different to those you mentioned, but since he ain't, well....

itchie:

2018 is ending and a certain old frail-looking baboon is still showing signs of madness. My advice to that baboon is for him to make sure this madness ends with 2018. No mad baboons must be allowed into 2019.

You must be describing your hungry father in the village.

You are so fired @ Lucas firing and resigning left to right.
Madam with big god too done complain to daddy and some one is about to get her behind kicked.
They forgot to come to dinner with a long spoon and do what pleases oga on top.

Appleyard:



More babel. Anybody who claim to be a scholar can come forward to give his own thought on any word or phrase, but such independent definitions doesn't denigrate from the fact that the word or phrase concerned has its natural meaning to begin with.

Just as someone can define a knife to be a tool for cutting through food items, another scholar can come forward to define it as a tool used in killing people during a fight. While that is true, does it mean that the purpose of using a knife is strictly for killing? This is the mindset of the scholars you quoted, and also the idiotic postulations the Kid president of France was trying to pass on to the US president, and I find that very stupid and unintelligent.

Macron fails to know that when a word or phrase has a compound meaning, you cannot use it exclusively or try to make it an absolute. Let that sink in.

While Patriotism has been around for 150 years before the use of nationalism, the latter's original meaning naturally correlate with that of Patriotism. Nationalism came into popularity in the early 19th century, and it originally means strong devotion and loyalty to one's country.

It was not until the 20th century when matters of political sovereignty and battle for self-determination takes central stage that some scholars started introducing different conceptual definitions to the original meaning of the term nationalism. But it never denies the fact that it shares same original idea with Patriotism.

Therefore, the assumption that fighting for the right of one's country is radical nationalism is, I must say, sheer fallacy, baseless and puerile.

You forget to mention that the Macron you are talking about is the president of a country that thinks its language and culture is better than all others. I guess you know nothing about the French policy of Association and the Policy of Assimilation used by colonial France on Africa. All colonial rule are rooted under the principles of radical nationalism, if we are to go by that term.

France and Britain are grandpatrons of nationalism, but i guess you don't know that because, when liberals are involved, nationalism can only mean "white nationalism", especially where Trump is the object of discussion. Pathetic thinking.

Every nation on earth has a presumably notion of nationalism, whether you like it or not. The Germans will forever see themselves as the most innovative people on earth, the British think they live a way of life that is unrivaled anywhere in the world, while the Jews think they are the most perculial set of people on the planet, even as the United States thinks its democracy and way of life trumps all others in the world, and so will do anything necessary to project the American dream even to the shores of other nations. All these are driven by Nationalistic ideas interwoven in Patriotism.

So for Macron to attempt lecturing the leader of another country about nationalism, when himself preside over one of the world's most nationalistic countries, makes him a hypocrite, or simply because he doesn't understand a jot of what the two terms actually meant from their original usage.

You can take that to the bank.

How far with your seven GOP sits predicted by the cosmic mirror?

gesundheit:


How far with your seven GOP sits predicted by the cosmic mirror?

Don't mind the Cosmic man. I don't know what he was smoking when he made that stupid statement. That is the effect of watching Racist Faux News. The problem with the pig a*s lickers is that they lie just like the sociophathic liar they love. when all the returns are in from California, there's a probability of Democrats winning 40 House seats and that to me is a blue Wave. MORE woes to come in 2020 for the clueless one.

Abbeybailey:
You must be describing my hungry father in the village.

Really?

budaatum:

Send somebody else and let the White House get away with it?

You joking!

Lol get away with what? Penalty was on Jim(strictly for his bad behavior) not CNN as a whole hence no First Amendment right violated, they still have other dozens of Reporters reporting for them from the White House. Expect the Law suit to be thrown to the trash can't wait for that

budaatum:

There's one problem. It's that you can dress things up anyhow you like but you can't deny historical and shared meanings and context, especially when used or understood by some in that context!

Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a single national identity based on shared, social characteristics, such as culture and language, religion and politics, and a belief in a shared and singular common ancestry (i.e., outdated concepts of race and nationality).

"A single national identity based on shared, social characteristics, such as culture and language, religion and politics, and a belief in a shared and singular common ancestry" means, not everyone. Unless he takes the time to include those who might feel they aren't included, which some claim he's done the exact opposite of.

Here's [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rally_%28France%29?wprov=sfla1]info[/url] about France's nationalist party. And you'd find here a list of active nationalist parties in Europe. Please click on the links in the links to educate yourself on what Nationalism implies. You might understand why some people worry when they hear the word. But if you knew this already, please state your race, for the record. I'd understand if you were part of Trumps in-group.

It should however be noted that Americans tend to have definition of words that vary to meanings in Europe, so Trump might not mean 'Nationalist' in the classical European sense where the word is synonymous with racism, Hitler and far rightism. I'm open to being educated on this.

Itchie just gave you a resounding answer, so I won't waste precious time writing long epistle. Like Itchie said, Gandhi was a nationalists, Earnest Shonekan, Herbert Macaulay and the likes of George Washington were nationalists, how come they didn't look like Hitler? Today, these people are celebrated all over the world for their strong and unwavering nationalistic ideas. You guys always paint a picture of Hitler when looking at nationalism. Isn't that bias and stereotypical? If Macron had referred to "extreme nationalism" and stuck with it, rather than trying to make the term "nationalism" exclusively evil, that would have been a different topic all together. But he did not. What he was actually saying is that the term nationalis is exclusively evil, and that is where I call his assertion wrong and unintelligent. If we are to go by his summation, then George Washington is evil, Herbert Macaulay is evil, Azikiwe is evil, Nkruma, Gandhi, and more, are evil, right?

Just accept the fact that the term is subjective and shouldn't be used exclusively. You must also accept the fact that all nations are driven by nationalistic ideas. Anyone who tells you otherwise is deceiving you. No nation on this planet will want to serve your interest first before his, and you know that. Everyone is fighting for its own interest, and that includes France as well. So let's stop painting another picture.

budaatum:

Except, it's in the context. If Trump were fighting for American independence, his nationalism would be no different to those you mentioned, but since he ain't, well....

Fighting for American independence? Common man, the independence of a nation or person is not only to be freed from the rule of another nation or person overseeing you. You can be dependent in many ways and also strive to become independent on many ways, depending on the circumstances you find yourself.

gesundheit:


How far with your seven GOP sits predicted by the cosmic mirror?

Schwartzkof, pardon my time travel glasses, they were obfuscated by Mr. Lucasbalo, hence I couldn't game thie mid-term correctly. Very sorry for that.

Abbeybailey:
Don't mind the Cosmic man. I don't know what he was smoking when he made that stupid statement. That is the effect of watching Racist Faux News. The problem with the pig a*s lickers is that they lie just like the sociophathic liar they love. when all the returns are in from California, there's a probability of Democrats winning 40 House seats and that to me is a blue Wave. MORE woes to come in 2020 for the clueless one.

Lucas, don't play with FIRE! You obfuscated my time peeping machine and gave me a cheap Chicago glasses with Mueller's Russian gate blood on it, and now, I can't find my cosmic rhythm anymore. What have you done, Lucas, I must have compensation for this encroachment.

Appleyard:


Lucas, don't play with FIRE! You obfuscated my time peeping machine and gave me a cheap Chicago glasses with Mueller's Russian gate blood on it, and now, I can't find my cosmic rhythm anymore. What have you done, Lucas, I must have compensation for this encroachment.

You will surely be compensated when we boot your idol out of Pennsylvania Avenue in 2020. That will be the icing on the cake for Tens of millions of Americans that belongs to TRM ( TRUMP RESISTANCE MOVEMENT ).

I agree Itchie's post was resounding. Like mine, a subjective view, and informative. And yes, a nation can be nationalistic without it being a bad thing. For that though, it must include every type of person in that nation. All races, religions, colour, creeds etc, and not the divisive type of nationalism some would claim they see (perhaps in error), in America.

Do I need to tell you to "Just accept the fact that the term is subjective", and that when Trump says "nationalism", not many people think Ghandhi, Washington, Nkrumah? What they hear is Hitler, Duke and crosses burning on lawns, albeit, perhaps, through their subjective lenses. The support he gets from white supremacists is certainly not for Ghandhi and Nkrumah type nationalism.

I mentioned "context", which denotes subjectivity. And if you understood Europe, where Macron made his statement, which is the current discussion - and during WW1 Centenary Celebrations at that - you would realise nationalism to him is fascism and Hitler. Incidentally too, it, Hitler type nationalism, is a current problem in Macron land at the moment, and all over Europe too, and nationalism in Europe is exclusively evil.

Appleyard:


Itchie just gave you a resounding answer, so I won't waste precious time writing long epistle. Like Itchie said, Gandhi was a nationalists, Earnest Shonekan, Herbert Macaulay and the likes of George Washington were nationalists, how come they didn't look like Hitler? Today, these people are celebrated all over the world for their strong and unwavering nationalistic ideas. You guys always paint a picture of Hitler when looking at nationalism. Isn't that bias and stereotypical? If Macron had referred to "extreme nationalism" and stuck with it, rather than trying to make the term "nationalism" exclusively evil, that would have been a different topic all together. But he did not. What he was actually saying is that the term nationalis is exclusively evil, and that is where I call his assertion wrong and unintelligent. If we are to go by his summation, then George Washington is evil, Herbert Macaulay is evil, Azikiwe is evil, Nkruma, Gandhi, and more, are evil, right?

Just accept the fact that the term is subjective and shouldn't be used exclusively. You must also accept the fact that all nations are driven by nationalistic ideas. Anyone who tells you otherwise is deceiving you. No nation on this planet will want to serve your interest first before his, and you know that. Everyone is fighting for its own interest, and that includes France as well. So let's stop painting another picture.

obixcel:
Lol get away with what? Penalty was on Jim(strictly for his bad behavior) not CNN as a whole hence no First Amendment right violated, they still have other dozens of Reporters reporting for them from the White House. Expect the Law suit to thrown to the trash can't wait for that

I don't mind waiting to see the outcome. Win or lose, the WH's decision still needs to be challenged. We don't have Emperor Trump, yet!

Appleyard:


Fighting for American independence? Common man, the independence of a nation or person is not only to be freed from the rule of another nation or person overseeing you. You can be dependent in many ways and also strive to become independent on many ways, depending on the circumstances you find yourself.

True.

What would you say the American needs to free themselves from?

budaatum:

I don't mind waiting to see the outcome. Win or lose, the WH's decision still needs to be challenged. We don't have Emperor Trump, yet!

You are absolutely right. There's no Emperor or King in America and that's why all the News Channels are against Trump including Fake and Racist Faux News.