OneJ:

Author of mumu posts.
U have cited Rev 3:7-22
What did Rev 3:12,14,21 say about your mumu doctrine, Trinity ?

If you were following his arguments you would know what he was saying, but bcs you lots don't read u hardly follow the points we are making, go back and read his posts

OneJ:

Author of mumu posts.
U have cited Rev 3:7-22
What did Rev 3:12,14,21 say about your mumu doctrine, Trinity ?

oh duh false jw onej, father of mumu's

verse 12 Father is Jesus God, what is your problem with that?

verse 14 i'm thinking that Jesus had a beginning as a seperate person to god
God bought Him forth from Himself
being God's own spirit He has always existed,
other christians have diffrent and good ideas on that also,
but of course it's lengthy and i won't be wasting time on you unbelieving false jw onej

verse 21 Jesus sit's with Father on Fathers throne, supporting john 1:1 God and the Word is God

zodiakzax:


So in effect they beleive in 2 gods, but that's a problem because Yahweh said He's the only God and apart from Him there's none.. so this then makes Christ a false god then...

yes, there is only one true God, so all other god's are false god's

false jw say Jesus is "a god" so that would make Him "a false god" to false jw's

zodiakzax, false jw's deny that the Word Jesus Christ is the Alpha and Omega
they say the Alpha and Omega is Almighty God

well He is, i will show that to
coming later this morning

johnw47:

zodiakzax, false jw's deny that the Word Jesus Christ is the Alpha and Omega
they say the Alpha and Omega is Almighty God

well He is, i will show that to
coming later this morning

Yep just read your posts.. kindly do show them..I leave that to you
.. onej I guess went to Mumu class since all he knows is mumu, he can't accurately defend his case without calling someone mumu.. all he says is mumu, May be that's what you are being taught..

just a little to get started, this below is Jesus talking, actually it is the angel of the Lord, the angel of Jesus,
representing Jesus as if it were Jesus Himself speaking, just as the angel of the Lord represented God, speaking as if He were God to moses

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.[/b]


Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man....

mind you the above alone is proof that Alpha and Omega is the Son of man



and the angel of the Lord representing Jesus further said:

Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

^^^ see again Alpha and Omega is Jesus




i missed a bit:

Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

^^^ john called Jesus "the Almighty" 

well it turns out that my intro. is basically it, i may add more later
as lying false jw disbelieve and change the meaning of God's word

zodiakzax:


Yep just read your posts.. kindly do show them..I leave that to you
.. onej I guess went to Mumu class since all he knows is mumu, he can't accurately defend his case without calling someone mumu.. all he says is mumu, May be that's what you are being taught..

he just talking about himself

@johnw47,
the falsified KJV insertion in Rev 1:11 ,the fake verse u dey take parole your mumu doctrine.
A little research would have saved u from that forgery u are posted here.
Jesus said. "all authority have been given me in heaven and on the earth matt 28:18.
His God Yahweh gave him (Christ) authority to bear the title of Alpha & Omega.
Yahweh made Jesus both lord & Christ. Acts2:36

OneJ:
@johnw47,
the falsified KJV insertion in Rev 1:11 ,the fake verse u dey take parole your mumu doctrine.
A little research would have saved u from that forgery u are posted here.

john turned around to see who it was that said: "I am Alpha and Omega"
and He saw one like unto "the Son of man"

ha ha oh false jw onej

zodiakzax:


If you were following his arguments you would know what he was saying, but bcs you lots don't read u hardly follow the points we are making, go back and read his posts

What did Rev 3:12,14 & 21 say about your mumu doctrine, Trinity?
pls give your response to my posers :
Where in your Bible did Jesus give authority or command to Yahweh?
The God & Father of Jesus is Yahweh. John 20:17. Eph 1:2,3, Mr man, who is the God of Yahweh? Why is it that Yahweh has no God?

OneJ:


What did Rev 3:12,14 & 21 say about your mumu doctrine, Trinity?
pls give your response to my posers :
Where in your Bible did Jesus give authority or command to Yahweh?
The God & Father of Jesus is Yahweh. John 20:17. Eph 1:2,3, Mr man, who is the God of Yahweh? Why is it that Yahweh has no God?

oh false jw onej of no understanding, also known as mr. mumu


and i have already replied about Rev 3:12,14 & 21, oh blinded one:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

johnw47:


oh duh false jw onej, father of mumu's

verse 12 Father is Jesus God, what is your problem with that?

verse 14 i'm thinking that Jesus had a beginning as a seperate person to god
God bought Him forth from Himself
being God's own spirit He has always existed,
other christians have diffrent and good ideas on that also,
but of course it's lengthy and i won't be wasting time on you unbelieving false jw onej

verse 21 Jesus sit's with Father on Fathers throne, supporting john 1:1 God and the Word is God

U are " thinking Jesus had a beginning as a separate person"
God brought him forth (The dictionary told me taught me "BROUGHT FORTH" means created,)
See your lies " God brought him forth from himself, being God's own spirit , he has always existed"
Yet U are " (I'm ) thinking Jesus had a beginning"

Lol......

johnw47:


oh duh false jw onej, father of mumu's

verse 12 Father is Jesus God, what is your problem with that?

verse 14 i'm thinking that Jesus had a beginning as a seperate person to god
God bought Him forth from Himself
being God's own spirit He has always existed,
other christians have diffrent and good ideas on that also,
but of course it's lengthy and i won't be wasting time on you unbelieving false jw onej

verse 21 Jesus sit's with Father on Fathers throne, supporting john 1:1 God and the Word is God

U are " thinking Jesus had a beginning as a separate person"
God brought him forth (The dictionary told me taught me "BROUGHT FORTH" means created,)
See your lies " God brought him forth from himself, being God's own spirit , he has always existed"
Yet U are " (I'm ) thinking Jesus had a beginning"

Lol......
Leave your mumu doctrine make your brain reset your sense

OneJ:


U are " thinking Jesus had a beginning as a separate person"
God brought him forth (The dictionary told me taught me "BROUGHT FORTH" means created,)
See your lies " God brought him forth from himself, being God's own spirit , he has always existed"
Yet U are " (I'm ) thinking Jesus had a beginning"

Lol......
Leave your mumu doctrine make your brain reset your sense

ha ha oh false jw onej, God's Spirit was not created

and posting the same thing twice won't make you right oh duh one


@ bold, not "had a beginning" but "may have had a beginning as a seperate person"
oh confuse blinded mumu man with no understanding:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

zodiakzax:



So Yahweh gave His Spirit to Yahweh according to you, okay let's just say you are right, so we have two Yahwehs in question here right? The one being sent and the other the sender.. so how come there are two Yahwehs? Kindly explain

Onej waiting for your response, why are you ignoring this...

OneJ:


God brought him forth (The dictionary told me taught me "BROUGHT FORTH" means created,)
See your lies

@bold, i see yours


Pro 8:24  When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.


i was brought forth
H2342
חִיל    חוּל
chûl    chı̂yl
khool, kheel
A primitive root; properly to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), that is, (specifically) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; figuratively to wait, to pervert: - bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.
Total KJV occurrences: 58


they are the meanings that chûl chı̂yl can be used for

God bringing forth Wisdom-the Word from Himself is not described as creating Him,
but is described figuratively as a painful event similar in some way to bringing a child forth out of a woman

zodiakzax:



You think like a Child.... Why did God then choose different people to preach His word? He could have just used one... We see different apostles with different understanding to the gospels etc but nonetheless Christ Allowed it. We see Peter saying Paul's words are sometimes difficult to grasp (2peter 3:15-16) etc so even they had their differences... but we need to make sure they are all preaching upon the foundation of Christ. Now based in that foundation of Christ and the Apostles, we preach and teach what they command not contrary to it.. anybody who does contrary to that is said to be cursed even if it's an angel (gal 1:6-9)

So becareful the gospel you receive..God be with you..

That's my point! You believe we're wrong and we also believe you are wrong, certainly two wrongs can never make a right. So that's why the Christians went out to meet people in their homes to reason with them but Pharisees kept preaching from city to city in order to gather crowds against the Christians. Act 14:19
Surely Christians aren't supposed to be looking for ways to argue, if someone feels he knows better then let him go out PEACEFULLY and make disciples for Jesus without causing any rift with no-one!
We're Jehovah's Witnesses and you're also from one religious group or another claiming Christians as well but since our doctrines and teachings aren't in agreement, let each continue doing what he knows best making sure he/she is doing so for the Lord and not to men. Philippians 4:8

zodiakzax:



Still waiting for a rebuttal to this... Why are you guys scared??

The one who opened the thread has done his part and if he is right or wrong, ONLY God can judge him.
According to his post Jehovah's Witnesses are doing a fine work but if you're of a contrary opinion, then present a better religious group that's doing finer than the JWs!
When Jesus' disciples were directing people's attention to their Master's teachings what the Pharisees supposed to do is direct honesthearted individuals to a better source of divine wisdom but instead all they were doing is criticizing, antagonising and persecuting Christians.
So if you guys are for Jesus and you are aware that there are false religious groups claiming Christians everywhere just as Jesus Himself foretold, i suppose what you're to do is point to the group that's CLOSELY following Jesus' footsteps.
No right thinking banker will be wasting precious times on how to prove a currency or another is fake, all what a reasonable banker will do is PRESENT the ORIGINAL or legal tender before everyone so that any other currencies not having all its features is fake for certain.
The OP has presented the group that's accurately following Jesus' footsteps to the best of his understanding, why not present a better option instead of all these unwarranted and baseless arguments?
For your information, no sane individual will be interested when you're going out crying with all your voice and shouting "This is fake, that is fake" rather what any intellectual will expect of you is "This is the ORIGINAL"

TATIME:

The one who opened the thread has done his part and if he is right or wrong, ONLY God can judge him.
According to his post Jehovah's Witnesses are doing a fine work but if you're of a contrary opinion, then present a better religious group that's doing finer than the JWs!

well that's easy, all the religious groups that say the Word is God is doing a finer job than false jw's who say:
Jesus is "a god", and as there is only one true God then hence "a false god"

TATIME:
When Jesus' disciples were directing people's attention to their Master's teachings what the Pharisees supposed to do is direct honesthearted individuals to a better source of divine wisdom but instead all they were doing is criticizing, antagonising and persecuting Christians.
So if you guys are for Jesus and you are aware that there are false religious groups claiming Christians everywhere just as Jesus Himself foretold, i suppose what you're to do is point to the group that's CLOSELY following Jesus' footsteps.
No right thinking banker will be wasting precious times on how to prove a currency or another is fake, all what a reasonable banker will do is PRESENT the ORIGINAL or legal tender before everyone so that any other currencies not having all its features is fake for certain.
The OP has presented the group that's accurately following Jesus' footsteps to the best of his understanding, why not present a better option instead of all these unwarranted and baseless arguments?
For your information, no sane individual will be interested when you're going out crying with all your voice and shouting "This is fake, that is fake"

ha ha lying dramatics, but expected from lying false jw tat
and exactly, no sane individual would say Jesus is a fake god, but you do tat

TATIME:
rather what any intellectual will expect of you is "This is the ORIGINAL"

yes again, exactly, and here is the original:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

and i have many verses to show that the Word the Lord Jesus Christ is God, but you false jw don't have a single verse to show that the Word is "a fake god"

TATIME:

^^^ the mark of the fool, a fool laughs and laughs and laughs at anything and everything:

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.

johnw47:


well that's easy, all the religious groups that say the Word is God is doing a finer job than false jw's who say:
Jesus is "a god", and as there is only one true God then hence "a false god"




ha ha lying dramatics, but expected from lying false jw tat
and exactly, no sane individual would say Jesus is a fake god, but you do tat



yes again, exactly, and here is the original:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

and i have many verses to show that the Word the Lord Jesus Christ is God, but you false jw don't have a single verse to show that the Word is "a fake god"



^^^ the mark of the fool, a fool laughs and laughs and laughs at anything and everything:

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.

Well it's like you don't get it.
Jesus is God or Jesus is god is not the problem my friend, the main problem is that thousands of religious groups are calling the same name whereas it is His TEACHING that matters!
So again,which of all those saying Jesus is Almighty God or god is PRACTICING exactly what Jesus asked His followers to be doing?
For your information Muslims believe in Jesus but are have nothing to do with His teaching, rather they're following the teaching of an Arabian whose name only appeared in the Qur'an 4 times whereas Jesus name appeared more than 25 times,His mother's name is the only female name that's given special attention and a chapter is called Surat Mariam in the Qur'an also another chapter is titled "the family of Mariam" therefore is a Muslim fails to ask what exactly did Jesus taught back then certainly such a person is fooling himself or herself.
Again "WHAT EXACTLY DID JESUS TEACH PEOPLE BACK THEN AND WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE RELIGIOUS GROUP FOLLOWING HIS FOOTSTEPS TODAY?" That's the most important question any right thinking individual would like to know the answer!

johnw47:


@bold, i see yours


Pro 8:24  When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.


i was brought forth
H2342
חִיל    חוּל
chûl    chı̂yl
khool, kheel
A primitive root; properly to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), that is, (specifically) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; figuratively to wait, to pervert: - bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.

Total KJV occurrences: 58


they are the meanings that chûl chı̂yl can be used for

God bringing forth Wisdom-the Word from Himself is not described as creating Him,
but is described figuratively as a painful event similar in some way to bringing a child forth out of a woman

"Brought Forth" is synonymous with "parturition" ( to produce offspring) put that sense into your mumu brain.
Your last paragraph ( " God bringing forth Wisdom ...is not described as creating him.". is proof that U & where U copy the stuff, una be confirmed mumu.

How did Yahweh bring forth creation ?

https://biblehub.com/greek/5453.htm
Definition: Bring forth, produce.
2. to beget,bring forth,produce, to be born

Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God," Rev 3:14. (Prov 8:22-30)
"(Jesus Christ) is the FIRST BORN of all creation" ( Col 1:15 ) created by Yahweh, his God & Father.

Be humble and let the truth reset your mumu brain .

TATIME:
The one who opened the thread has done his part and if he is right or wrong, ONLY God can judge him.
According to his post Jehovah's Witnesses are doing a fine work but if you're of a contrary opinion, then present a better religious group that's doing finer than the JWs!
When Jesus' disciples were directing people's attention to their Master's teachings what the Pharisees supposed to do is direct honesthearted individuals to a better source of divine wisdom but instead all they were doing is criticizing, antagonising and persecuting Christians.
So if you guys are for Jesus and you are aware that there are false religious groups claiming Christians everywhere just as Jesus Himself foretold, i suppose what you're to do is point to the group that's CLOSELY following Jesus' footsteps.
No right thinking banker will be wasting precious times on how to prove a currency or another is fake, all what a reasonable banker will do is PRESENT the ORIGINAL or legal tender before everyone so that any other currencies not having all its features is fake for certain.
The OP has presented the group that's accurately following Jesus' footsteps to the best of his understanding, why not present a better option instead of all these unwarranted and baseless arguments?
For your information, no sane individual will be interested when you're going out crying with all your voice and shouting "This is fake, that is fake" rather what any intellectual will expect of you is "This is the ORIGINAL"

well we didn't edit the bible from time to time and came up with our own translation, we stick to the original. It was your sect that used illiterates to change things in the bible, up until now we don't know your so called greek scholars that translated your bible. You been led to damnation plus try getting a copy if this book by your founder Charles Russel where he attested to the fact that Christ is God in his Final Mystery.... go look for that book...plus you disgrace your people, you have no way of supporting your claims, no knowledge of what you follow so I assume you keep shut and watch your fellow uneducated JW's struggle with what they at least think they know..

TATIME:
Well it's like you don't get it.
Jesus is God or Jesus is god is not the problem my friend, the main problem is that thousands of religious groups are calling the same name whereas it is His TEACHING that matters!
So again,which of all those saying Jesus is Almighty God or god is PRACTICING exactly what Jesus asked His followers to be doing?
For your information Muslims believe in Jesus but are have nothing to do with His teaching, rather they're following the teaching of an Arabian whose name only appeared in the Qur'an 4 times whereas Jesus name appeared more than 25 times,His mother's name is the only female name that's given special attention and a chapter is called Surat Mariam in the Qur'an also another chapter is titled "the family of Mariam" therefore is a Muslim fails to ask what exactly did Jesus taught back then certainly such a person is fooling himself or herself.
Again "WHAT EXACTLY DID JESUS TEACH PEOPLE BACK THEN AND WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE RELIGIOUS GROUP FOLLOWING HIS FOOTSTEPS TODAY?" That's the most important question any right thinking individual would like to know the answer!

You see how stupid you are, Muslims do not believe in our Jesus, the Muslims don't even believe He's the Son of God and do not believe He died for us do how can that be our Jesus? You better shut up if there's nothing for you to say, don't you know you need to believe Jesus for who He is before you can walk with Him and do His word? You lots say He's an angel whereas your founder and the Bible says He's God, how can you call God an angel. You should be afraid you bunch of heretics.

TATIME:
That's my point! You believe we're wrong and we also believe you are wrong, certainly two wrongs can never make a right. So that's why the Christians went out to meet people in their homes to reason with them but Pharisees kept preaching from city to city in order to gather crowds against the Christians. Act 14:19
Surely Christians aren't supposed to be looking for ways to argue, if someone feels he knows better then let him go out PEACEFULLY and make disciples for Jesus without causing any rift with no-one!
We're Jehovah's Witnesses and you're also from one religious group or another claiming Christians as well but since our doctrines and teachings aren't in agreement, let each continue doing what he knows best making sure he/she is doing so for the Lord and not to men. Philippians 4:8

I don't know what kind of bible you read but I hope you know many preached on the street and in public places like the synagogues, there was always a rift with someone other then that why would they want to kill them and silence them, Paul was so beaten people even thought he died.. honestly how old are you seems you either a kid or very immature from what you have been writing..

Why are you lots not defending Isaiah 48 :16, Why are you so hard heartened, if true evidence is shown you shy from it but the question is don't you want to know the truth? You are quick to use other translations to support your case and yet when we use same translations to point to you your heresies you deny that, so why don't you stick to your NWT. It's funny how you are all decieved and brain washed..

OneJ:


"Brought Forth" is synonymous with "parturition" ( to produce offspring) put that sense into your mumu brain.
Your last paragraph ( " God bringing forth Wisdom ...is not described as creating him.". is proof that U & where U copy the stuff, una be confirmed mumu.

How did Yahweh bring forth creation ?

https://biblehub.com/greek/5453.htm
Definition: Bring forth, produce.
2. to beget,bring forth,produce, to be born

Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God," Rev 3:14. (Prov 8:22-30)
"(Jesus Christ) is the FIRST BORN of all creation" ( Col 1:15 ) created by Yahweh, his God & Father.

Be humble and let the truth reset your mumu brain .

Revelation 3:14 the Greek work arche means beginning, origin or Source, same words used for God and Christ as the beginning and the end. So in other words He's the source or originator of Gods creation. He Jesus was the creator..

TATIME:
Well it's like you don't get it.
Jesus is God or Jesus is god is not the problem my friend, the main problem is that thousands of religious groups are calling the same name whereas it is His TEACHING that matters!
So again,which of all those saying Jesus is Almighty God or god is PRACTICING exactly what Jesus asked His followers to be doing?
For your information Muslims believe in Jesus but are have nothing to do with His teaching, rather they're following the teaching of an Arabian whose name only appeared in the Qur'an 4 times whereas Jesus name appeared more than 25 times,His mother's name is the only female name that's given special attention and a chapter is called Surat Mariam in the Qur'an also another chapter is titled "the family of Mariam" therefore is a Muslim fails to ask what exactly did Jesus taught back then certainly such a person is fooling himself or herself.
Again "WHAT EXACTLY DID JESUS TEACH PEOPLE BACK THEN AND WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE RELIGIOUS GROUP FOLLOWING HIS FOOTSTEPS TODAY?" That's the most important question any right thinking individual would like to know the answer!

oh laughing fool tat
of course you don't believe the truth i say, and God's word that i post
and you don't respond to it, but rather talk bull which is typical of tatime

i will post more scriptures soon on Jesus being God,
and on almighty and mighty God being one God and not two,
and i will post on how Jesus body was resurrected, all for you false jw tat and OneJ to also reject

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.

OneJ:


"Brought Forth" is synonymous with "parturition" ( to produce offspring) put that sense into your mumu brain.
Your last paragraph ( " God bringing forth Wisdom ...is not described as creating him.". is proof that U & where U copy the stuff, una be confirmed mumu.

How did Yahweh bring forth creation ?

https://biblehub.com/greek/5453.htm
Definition: Bring forth, produce.
2. to beget,bring forth,produce, to be born

Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God," Rev 3:14. (Prov 8:22-30)
"(Jesus Christ) is the FIRST BORN of all creation" ( Col 1:15 ) created by Yahweh, his God & Father.

Be humble and let the truth reset your mumu brain .

ha ha you have no understanding at all oh confused false jw onej

first you said that the word was created
now you say that the Word was the first born, that is begat pea brain, not created
which is the theory i put forth and which you of course couldn't understand
even if you had half a brain

you are confused, blinded, without true knowledge,
and most of all mumu man you false jw's are your god satans people, and you are your god satans church

poor tormented onej

OneJ:


"Brought Forth" is synonymous with "parturition" ( to produce offspring) put that sense into your mumu brain.
Your last paragraph ( " God bringing forth Wisdom ...is not described as creating him.". is proof that U & where U copy the stuff, una be confirmed mumu.

How did Yahweh bring forth creation ?

https://biblehub.com/greek/5453.htm
Definition: Bring forth, produce.
2. to beget,bring forth,produce, to be born

Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God," Rev 3:14. (Prov 8:22-30)
"(Jesus Christ) is the FIRST BORN of all creation" ( Col 1:15 ) created by Yahweh, his God & Father.

Be humble and let the truth reset your mumu brain .

mumu man onej, i copy God's word, and of course you don't believe it

Alpha and Omega is Jesus Christ, john called Him "the Almighty"
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

zodiakzax:


Revelation 3:14 the Greek work arche means beginning, origin or Source, same words used for God and Christ as the beginning and the end. So in other words He's the source or originator of Gods creation. He Jesus was the creator..

"Reuben, you are my first born, my might and the beginning of my strength" (WEB)
Gen 49:3

"Reuben, the first born of Israel". 1 Chr5:1.
He ,Reuben is the source of Abraham, peddlers of falsehood !
keep deceiving yourselves

johnw47:


mumu man onej, i copy God's word, and of course you don't believe it

Alpha and Omega is Jesus Christ, john called Him "the Almighty"
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Mumu LIAR.

"To him (Jesus) who loves us & has made us... to serve his God and Father" Rev 1:5,6.

Rev 1:8 says the Lord God, Yahweh , the Almighty. who has "given all authority in heaven and on the earth " (Matt28:18) to Jesus Christ to bear the same title( Rev22:13)

OneJ:


"Brought Forth" is synonymous with "parturition" ( to produce offspring) put that sense into your mumu brain.
Your last paragraph ( " God bringing forth Wisdom ...is not described as creating him.". is proof that U & where U copy the stuff, una be confirmed mumu.

How did Yahweh bring forth creation ?

https://biblehub.com/greek/5453.htm
Definition: Bring forth, produce.
2. to beget,bring forth,produce, to be born

Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God," Rev 3:14. (Prov 8:22-30)
"(Jesus Christ) is the FIRST BORN of all creation" ( Col 1:15 ) created by Yahweh, his God & Father.

Be humble and let the truth reset your mumu brain .

Mumu LIAR.
Yahweh is not Jesus Christ.

"To him (Jesus) who loves us & has made us... to serve his God and Father" Rev 1:5,6.

Rev 1:8 says the Lord God, Yahweh , the Almighty. who has "given all authority in heaven and on the earth " (Matt28:18) to Jesus Christ to bear the same title( Rev22:13. )

OneJ:


What did Rev 3:12,14 & 21 say about your mumu doctrine, Trinity?
pls give your response to my posers :
Where in your Bible did Jesus give authority or command to Yahweh?
The God & Father of Jesus is Yahweh. John 20:17. Eph 1:2,3, Mr man, who is the God of Yahweh? Why is it that Yahweh has no God?

cc : @ zodiakzax , U done run away ?