ll, the very truth is nairobi can only defeat lagos in greening and nothing else, when both CBDs are removed from the equations, Lagos wins hands down, the reasons been that , nairobi development are all situated at the CBD and adjoining upper hill Ares, and this so called upper hill have bad infrastructure(bad roads, no drainage, no good master plans) and this tells you that Kenyans can never build any planned city from scratch. Aside that, even the so called " developed" areas are too small to be compared with Lagos developed areas . In lagos, development are well spreads across different locations you could go to Ikeja VI, Apapa, festac, lekki and other places and find that these areas have the feeling of a "City" and not just as an areas, these places (not the CBDs) are planned and could actually be compared with other Africa capital city cause of their sizes and contents . I know Kenya in an out as i was parts of IT experts that were contracted for some projects across the country. I can tell you that lagos have superior infrastructure not only in Nairobi but the whole of Kenya at large, lagos roads are wider, cleaner and one can't even compare the numbers of flyovers lagos has with the whole of kenya. And about other kenya cities(Nakuru, Mombasa, kisumu, eldoret...), they all have same issues, develop a small portion of the county, make it a CBD and then leave the 98% of other places out, you could compare Mombasa with states like Kaduna, Uyo, Benin and even with that, Nigeria States would still be better off, for the fact they have better roads network connectivity and have their development spreads across. In comparing Kaduna with Nakuru, even those the Small Nakuru CBD would win in the area of CBD development, Kaduna would still win in the aspects of general developments, kaduna have large towns such as Kaduna city,Zaria, kafancha and other area, but Nakuru and Mombasa only boast of their CBD ,it will be suicidal to compare any other Nigeria states , such as abuja, ph, Enugu, calabar, with any kenya county, these states have superior infrastructure, better roads networks, bigger towns within States or counties,larger economy, better future development prospect,better sports and recreational facilities. In generally speaking, Nigeria is more developed than Kenya, in terms of roads networks, planned and larger cities, more and better international airports,better economy, bigger tourisms prospect, better sports facilities,have more locals controls of resources and properties,very open to foreigners and does not care where u r from (imagine locals and foreigners working around with passports trying to avoids very corrupt police officials ). kenya have the advantage of having much more foreigners as local but I real don't see that as an advantage this bcs these guys leave far more better than the locals lastly, some kenya cities tends to be Eco friendlier than Nigeria and this could be attributed to better policies, the fact its generates large chunks of the country income and the fact that it has lesser population than Nigeria cites. 100% truth.
so they deported you an ya bitter now..nice going random number guy
ll, the very truth is nairobi can only defeat lagos in greening and nothing else, when both CBDs are removed from the equations, Lagos wins hands down, the reasons been that , nairobi development are all situated at the CBD and adjoining upper hill Ares, and this so called upper hill have bad infrastructure(bad roads, no drainage, no good master plans) and this tells you that Kenyans can never build any planned city from scratch. Aside that, even the so called " developed" areas are too small to be compared with Lagos developed areas . In lagos, development are well spreads across different locations you could go to Ikeja VI, Apapa, festac, lekki and other places and find that these areas have the feeling of a "City" and not just as an areas, these places (not the CBDs) are planned and could actually be compared with other Africa capital city cause of their sizes and contents . I know Kenya in an out as i was parts of IT experts that were contracted for some projects across the country. I can tell you that lagos have superior infrastructure not only in Nairobi but the whole of Kenya at large, lagos roads are wider, cleaner and one can't even compare the numbers of flyovers lagos has with the whole of kenya. And about other kenya cities(Nakuru, Mombasa, kisumu, eldoret...), they all have same issues, develop a small portion of the county, make it a CBD and then leave the 98% of other places out, you could compare Mombasa with states like Kaduna, Uyo, Benin and even with that, Nigeria States would still be better off, for the fact they have better roads network connectivity and have their development spreads across. In comparing Kaduna with Nakuru, even those the Small Nakuru CBD would win in the area of CBD development, Kaduna would still win in the aspects of general developments, kaduna have large towns such as Kaduna city,Zaria, kafancha and other area, but Nakuru and Mombasa only boast of their CBD ,it will be suicidal to compare any other Nigeria states , such as abuja, ph, Enugu, calabar, with any kenya county, these states have superior infrastructure, better roads networks, bigger towns within States or counties,larger economy, better future development prospect,better sports and recreational facilities. In generally speaking, Nigeria is more developed than Kenya, in terms of roads networks,[b] planned and larger cities, more and better international airports,[/b]better economy, bigger tourisms prospect, better sports facilities,have more locals controls of resources and properties,very open to foreigners and does not care where u r from (imagine locals and foreigners working around with passports trying to avoids very corrupt police officials ). kenya have the advantage of having much more foreigners as local but I real don't see that as an advantage this bcs these guys leave far more better than the locals lastly, some kenya cities tends to be Eco friendlier than Nigeria and this could be attributed to better policies, the fact its generates large chunks of the country income and the fact that it has lesser population than Nigeria cites. 100% truth.
REALLY,NIGGA!?Are you high? Which country is this?
Thanks! I knew you'd be the first to see some truth in here. Let me expound without getting too wordy. Our first major infrastructure project after Uhuru was the Nairobi Mombasa highway which believe it or not remained untarmacked! People insist colonialism left us with modern infrastructure! Anyway, it took 25% of the entire fledgling country's budget and 4 yrs from 65-68,IIRC. At the same time health services previously restricted to whites,their black collaborators and Asians apart from a few mission clinics were massively expanded on all levels. Poverty was high,the tax take was low but the government made an effort:THEY ROSE TO THE CHALLENGE. Do you know as recently as the early 70s sick Kenyans would go to a certain field in Kiserian,lie down and wait to die? That's how it was for the majority in colonialism. I forget the name of the place but its in Kiserian and til recently there were skeletons and traditional beads lying around. All the while the West will never leave us alone,perpetually pulling strings and scheming to regain control. I'm 2004 a cousin of mine, a relative of then finmim Mwiraria told me of the IMF discussions in New York. BASICALLY, THEY WANTED OUR ENTIRE BANKING SYSTEM.They insisted on privatising NBK and COOP not via our stock exchange but by buy outs by US banks! We'd be like Uganda or Tz if he'd agreed! If you remember a few weeks later the West began fighting Kibaki in a way that shocked even Mois' former supporters. Let me end saying I really wish we'd ALL WISE UP AND LOOK DEEPER INTO THINGS. Then we'd see what Chinese infrastructure loans are all about. Its a poor country's ONLY OPTION.
so true..either we take the blue pill or the the red one..
Right now I don't see anything bringing us down..we have mitigated both internal & exogenous risks...not a global crisis (we went through 2008 like nothing was happening) will bring us down - not a local crisis (2008 was a flip)....we are on sweat spot of an almost assured 6% growth..
rvp2018: 1) Pictures don't lie. We've seen pictures of Nairobi, Mombasa, Nakuru and Kisumu - and there are clearly better cities than anything you got in Nigeria. 2) Data don't lie. We have indices that compares Nigeria/Lagos with Kenya/Nairobi & apart from population & a fake GDP - kenya almost always beat Nigeria & Lagos - in all those criteria you've identified.
3) You lie mostly because you're biased.Upper hill was recently a residential estates and so was westlands/parklands/kilimani/ name them - but they've grown into high density areas and infrastructure hasn't kept up but gov generally is doing something. You also lie that Kenya wealth is owned by foreigners or non-indigenous...Asian do dominate our manufacturing sector for historical reason but like in trading sector they are being replaced by black Kenyans.
1) you only showed pictures of the tiny parts(mostly CBD) of Nakuru, Mombasa , kisumu and other places), which is less than 1% of land masses, same goes to Nairobi. 2), fake GDP and you want us to belief yours ain't fake? lagos has more roads than nairobi, nairobi has Mombasa roads as a majors road and newly constructed thika high way (which Chinese are the cleaners and mangers) and links other counties. Nairobi does not have large inner roads, many flyovers, good drainages systems, sporting facilities,no ports,more industries and factory like Lagos , don't forget that Lagos alone have more than four large ports others are under construction, its building new cities within city (orange island, eco Atlantic city....) new international airports, new free trade zones, largest refinery and fertilizer in the world (dangote refinery )new 3000MGW of electricity, how then can it be compared with Lagos 3) So who are the people that dominates and owns most of the businesses in Westland, parkland, kilmani, spring valley , Karen, is it the aboriginal Kenyans or the so called "generational Indians- white Kenyans"?
While others invested their oil billions in things that matter.Nigerian politicians were dumb to register how to use the petrodollars to grow their economy! There is a black market of oil trade in Nigeria which ensures that this oil traded isn't benefiting the Gov't.I'm glad we have a cooperation agreement with Algeria so as to build our own capacity in this new oil venture! Nigerians would have led us astray in an joint oil cooperation or MOU. Glad we didn't go for them even though they are still lobbying us to open up our oil sector to them!
I can tell you that lagos have superior infrastructure not only in Nairobi but the whole of Kenya at large, lagos roads are wider, cleaner and one can't even compare the numbers of flyovers lagos has with the whole of kenya.
This boy is on cheap weed... You need psychiatric help. KENYA ROADS
1) you only showed pictures of the tiny parts(mostly CBD) of Nakuru, Mombasa , kisumu and other places), which is less than 1% of land masses, same goes to Nairobi. 2), fake GDP and you want us to belief yours ain't fake? lagos has more roads than nairobi, nairobi has Mombasa roads as a majors road and newly constructed thika high way (which Chinese are the cleaners and mangers) and links other counties. Nairobi does not have large inner roads, many flyovers, good drainages systems, sporting facilities,no ports,more industries and factory like Lagos , don't forget that Lagos alone have more than four large ports others are under construction, its building new cities within city (orange island, eco Atlantic city....) new international airports, new free trade zones, largest refinery and fertilizer in the world (dangote refinery )new 3000MGW of electricity, how then can it be compared with Lagos 3) So who are the people that dominates and owns most of the businesses in Westland, parkland, kilmani, spring valley , Karen, is it the aboriginal Kenyans or the so called "generational Indians- white Kenyans"?
1) We shown gazillion of pictures - including your beloved Rosyambu. People living in Kibera generally have better deal than a guy in Lekki or Victoria - they have 24hrs water, electricity, roads & are few minutes from CBD/Upper hill. That is just how good Nairobi is compared to the CHAOS that is Lagos. 2) I am talking of indices of several indicators of progress from external reputable organization - not our own generated GDP. Your GDP is of course fake. Just see pictures of Algeria - 200B economy or South Africa - 350B economy - to know your statistician is lying to you. 3) The areas you've cherry-picked are historically indian & white areas - they were exclusively Indian or White until 1963!! - but if you go there now - you can see lots of black in there - otherwise Nairobi itself is large - and apart from those areas you've again cherry-picked - the rest of Nairobi is owned by black Kenyans. 4) As for plans...Eko City one tower per decade? We also have PLANS. Big plans. Big dreams. We have 3 cities in Nairobi sorrounding already off ground..Tatu City, Konza City & Northland City. Nairobi beat LAGOS in everything that matters - infrastructures (roads,airports, rails, power supply, sewage, water) - it beat Lagos in formal trading (stores, supermarkets, malls), in hotels & accommodation (number of branded beds - Nairobi has more than twice Lagos) - it beat Lagos in schools, hospitals, universities & name it. Even our dafnos (matatus) are way better than rickety public yellow yellow transports. Your traffic jam are more horrible than Nairobi. Your pollution is worse. Name it and you've got a bad deal.
1) you only showed pictures of the tiny parts(mostly CBD) of Nakuru, Mombasa , kisumu and other places), which is less than 1% of land masses, same goes to Nairobi. 2), fake GDP and you want us to belief yours ain't fake? lagos has more roads than nairobi, nairobi has Mombasa roads as a majors road and newly constructed thika high way (which Chinese are the cleaners and mangers) and links other counties. Nairobi does not have large inner roads, many flyovers, good drainages systems, sporting facilities,no ports,more industries and factory like Lagos , don't forget that Lagos alone have more than four large ports others are under construction, its building new cities within city (orange island, eco Atlantic city....) new international airports, new free trade zones, largest refinery and fertilizer in the world (dangote refinery )new 3000MGW of electricity, how then can it be compared with Lagos 3) So who are the people that dominates and owns most of the businesses in Westland, parkland, kilmani, spring valley , Karen, is it the aboriginal Kenyans or the so called "generational Indians- white Kenyans"?
ll, the very truth is nairobi can only defeat lagos in greening and nothing else, when both CBDs are removed from the equations, Lagos wins hands down, the reasons been that , nairobi development are all situated at the CBD and adjoining upper hill Ares, and this so called upper hill have bad infrastructure(bad roads, no drainage, no good master plans) and this tells you that Kenyans can never build any planned city from scratch. Aside that, even the so called " developed" areas are too small to be compared with Lagos developed areas . In lagos, development are well spreads across different locations you could go to Ikeja VI, Apapa, festac, lekki and other places and find that these areas have the feeling of a "City" and not just as an areas, these places (not the CBDs) are planned and could actually be compared with other Africa capital city cause of their sizes and contents . I know Kenya in an out as i was parts of IT experts that were contracted for some projects across the country. I can tell you that lagos have superior infrastructure not only in Nairobi but the whole of Kenya at large, lagos roads are wider, cleaner and one can't even compare the numbers of flyovers lagos has with the whole of kenya. And about other kenya cities(Nakuru, Mombasa, kisumu, eldoret...), they all have same issues, develop a small portion of the county, make it a CBD and then leave the 98% of other places out, you could compare Mombasa with states like Kaduna, Uyo, Benin and even with that, Nigeria States would still be better off, for the fact they have better roads network connectivity and have their development spreads across. In comparing Kaduna with Nakuru, even those the Small Nakuru CBD would win in the area of CBD development, Kaduna would still win in the aspects of general developments, kaduna have large towns such as Kaduna city,Zaria, kafancha and other area, but Nakuru and Mombasa only boast of their CBD ,it will be suicidal to compare any other Nigeria states , such as abuja, ph, Enugu, calabar, with any kenya county, these states have superior infrastructure, better roads networks, bigger towns within States or counties,larger economy, better future development prospect,better sports and recreational facilities. In generally speaking, Nigeria is more developed than Kenya, in terms of roads networks, planned and larger cities, more and better international airports,better economy, bigger tourisms prospect, better sports facilities,have more locals controls of resources and properties,very open to foreigners and does not care where u r from (imagine locals and foreigners working around with passports trying to avoids very corrupt police officials ). kenya have the advantage of having much more foreigners as local but I real don't see that as an advantage this bcs these guys leave far more better than the locals lastly, some kenya cities tends to be Eco friendlier than Nigeria and this could be attributed to better policies, the fact its generates large chunks of the country income and the fact that it has lesser population than Nigeria cites. 100% truth.
Huh, you mean Nairobi's CDB's are better than that of Lagos?
I know there is no single planned city in the whole of Kenya because I did the research myself.
From the pictures posted here, I agree the developed areas of Nairobi is too small compared with Lagos many planned and developed areas.
I agree Lagos road infrastructure is way too ahead for Nairobi based on the pictures posted here. The numbers of flyovers, bridges, cable bridge, wider roads are too much for Nairobi to build and even the whole country called Kenya. I agree.
I agree Nakuru and Mombasa CDBs are better planned than some cities here based on the pictures here and now that you confirmed it, I agree intoto.
Besides that, infrastructure wise, most Nigerians cities are better than Nakuru and Mombasa. I agree due to what I see here and now that you confirmed it, I agree intoto.
I agree with you on this, Nigeria is far far developed than Kenyan ×10. Now, you just confirmed the fact now.
I agree with you in every thing but that airport, me no gree ooo because Nairobi airport is way ahead of Lagos current airport. Lagos airport may become better after the extension is finished.
Maybe holistically speaking, we have more numbers of better international airports than Kenya. I agree.
1) you only showed pictures of the tiny parts(mostly CBD) of Nakuru, Mombasa , kisumu and other places), which is less than 1% of land masses, same goes to Nairobi. 2), fake GDP and you want us to belief yours ain't fake? lagos has more roads than nairobi, nairobi has Mombasa roads as a majors road and newly constructed thika high way (which Chinese are the cleaners and mangers) and links other counties. Nairobi does not have large inner roads, many flyovers, good drainages systems, sporting facilities,no ports,more industries and factory like Lagos , don't forget that Lagos alone have more than four large ports others are under construction, its building new cities within city (orange island, eco Atlantic city....) new international airports, new free trade zones, largest refinery and fertilizer in the world (dangote refinery )new 3000MGW of electricity, how then can it be compared with Lagos 3) So who are the people that dominates and owns most of the businesses in Westland, parkland, kilmani, spring valley , Karen, is it the aboriginal Kenyans or the so called "generational Indians- white Kenyans"?
Jonraid: While others invested their oil billions in things that matter.Nigerian politicians were dumb to register how to use the petrodollars to grow their economy! There is a black market of oil trade in Nigeria which ensures that this oil traded isn't benefiting the Gov't.I'm glad we have a cooperation agreement with Algeria so as to build our own capacity in this new oil venture! Nigerians would have led us astray in an joint oil cooperation or MOU. Glad we didn't go for them even though they are still lobbying us to open up our oil sector to them!
Huh, you mean Nairobi's CDB's are better than that of Lagos?
I know there is no single planned city in the whole of Kenya because I did the research myself.
From the pictures posted here, I agree the developed areas of Nairobi is too small compared with Lagos many planned and developed areas.
I agree Lagos road infrastructure is way too ahead for Nairobi based on the pictures posted here. The numbers of flyovers, bridges, cable bridge, wider roads are too much for Nairobi to build and even the whole country called Kenya. I agree.
I agree Nakuru and Mombasa CDBs are better planned than some cities here based on the pictures here and now that you confirmed it, I agree intoto.
Besides that, infrastructure wise, most Nigerians cities are better than Nakuru and Mombasa. I agree due to what I see here and now that you confirmed it, I agree intoto.
I agree with you on this, Nigeria is far far developed than Kenyan ×10. Now, you just confirmed the fact now.
I agree with you in every thing but that airport, me no gree ooo because Nairobi airport is way ahead of Lagos current airport. Lagos airport may become better after the extension is finished.
Maybe holistically speaking, we have more numbers of better international airports than Kenya. I agree.
Thanks for your humble and sincere answers.
why don you then just post the so called development in your country...by the way how is the two tower city coming up
Just from the posts and the logic applied,you can tell if it's a Nigerian or a Kenyan.Nigeria's education system must not be the most efficient .Well,you can't expect much from a country that pays it's teachers,police and military men salaries equivalent of a Kenya's garden-boy !
I saw analyzing their budget - Gov actually budget for recovery of money from Swiss. Corrupt Nigerians basically took their billions from Oil and banked in Swiss accounts. That is why the country just look as crap as Niger or Chad.
Jonraid: Just from the posts and the logic applied,you can tell if it's a Nigerian or Kenyan.Nigeria's education system must not be the most efficient .Well,you can't expect much from a country that pays it's teachers,police and military men salary equivalent of a Kenya's garden-boy !
The Nowe guy will come here an claim life is cheap in naija an stuff like that...typical naijas
Precisely. You can always almost tell which post was made by a Tanzanian or Nigerian. The English is wanting, the logic is missing, sound argumentation is absent,it's bereft of even common sense and they are generally hard to read & understand. Their education is that bad.
Jonraid: Just from the posts and the logic applied,you can tell if it's a Nigerian or Kenyan.Nigeria's education system must not be the most efficient .Well,you can't expect much from a country that pays it's teachers,police and military men salary equivalent of a Kenya's garden-boy !
rvp2018: 1) Pictures don't lie. We've seen pictures of Nairobi, Mombasa, Nakuru and Kisumu - and there are clearly better cities than anything you got in Nigeria. 2) Data don't lie. We have indices that compares Nigeria/Lagos with Kenya/Nairobi & apart from population & a fake GDP - kenya almost always beat Nigeria & Lagos - in all those criteria you've identified.
3) You lie mostly because you're biased.Upper hill was recently a residential estates and so was westlands/parklands/kilimani/ name them - but they've grown into high density areas and infrastructure hasn't kept up but gov generally is doing something. You also lie that Kenya wealth is owned by foreigners or non-indigenous...Asian do dominate our manufacturing sector for historical reason but like in trading sector they are being replaced by black Kenyans.
3) I agree with the fact that you used the word " being replaced " , I do appreciate your efforts in that, but I don't think it yielding much results as result of tribal sentiment , locals would rather prefer Indians to own properties in their domain than allowing another tribes let say Kikuyu or Luo, don't get me wrong we Nigeria also have tribal issues but not as what I saw in Kenya.
Algeria is a much better choice than Nigeria if you want to learn about oil and gas.Their standards are high and they reap good figures than the purported Africa's largest oil producer! They add value to their crude oil.This is achieved by exporting refined petroleum,ammonia and other products you can get from hydrocarbons.This are the guys we should partner with and the gov't made the right decision.Glad we have embassies in both countries!
Jonraid: Algeria is a much better choice than Nigeria if you want to learn about oil and gas.Their standards are high and they reap good figures than the purported Africa's largest oil producer! They add value to their crude oil.This is achieved by exporting refined petroleum,ammonia and other products you can get from hydrocarbons.This are the guys we should partner with and the gov't made the right decision.Glad we have embassies in both countries!
How many Algerians have benefited from oil? I want to know the indigenous companies operating oil fields in Algeria.
The indian locked down of the value chain is over - they had set up an elaborate value chain from factory to shop that was exclusively indian - and now with most people shopping through malls & supermarkets - it now easy for black to set up a factory, enter a deal with supermarket and being business. The same thing happened in retail - Indians use to dominate all retail & wholesaling business - that now is history. They were kicked out of business.
3) I agree with the fact that you used the word " being replaced " , I do appreciate your efforts in that, but I don't think it yielding much results as result of tribal sentiment , locals would rather prefer Indians to own properties in their domain than allowing another tribes let say Kikuyu or Luo, don't get me wrong we Nigeria also have tribal issues but not as what I saw in Kenya.
And yet this three Nigerian girls wouldn't mind going back to the Kenyan University they graduated from! What a fail! They know this is the place to be!
3) I agree with the fact that you used the word " being replaced " , I do appreciate your efforts in that, but I don't think it yielding much results as result of tribal sentiment , locals would rather prefer Indians to own properties in their domain than allowing another tribes let say Kikuyu or Luo, don't get me wrong we Nigeria also have tribal issues but not as what I saw in Kenya.
Let assume what you are saying is true. Then what the big deal. Kenyans are doing well than you people. Most of the indexes show we are ahead of you. We deporting your asses but ya keep on coming back. That should tell you something. Whether you claim Indy this or Whitty that we doing just fine
