ePrive:


This reminded me of Despicable Me 3 last dance fight


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U won't believe I'm yet to see dat movie. 1st and 2nd were simply Awesome. And they had very nice songs playing all through.
I also learnt a ton from there.

reidkrugger:



U won't believe I'm yet to see dat movie. 1st and 2nd were simply Awesome. And they had very nice songs playing all through.
I also learnt a ton from there.

The movie is nice.
And the movie; Rango is one of my all time animation favourite.

NB: Rango had a $135 million budget (that's about 49 billion naira for animation ). I don't think Africa is ready yet!

ePrive:


The movie is nice.
And the movie; Rango is one of my all time animation favourite.

NB: Rango had a $135 million budget (that's about 49 billion naira for animation ). I don't think Africa is ready yet!

On finance, no, Africa is not ready. But there are a handful of us that can still manage to pull off something nice with a 100th of dat figure or maybe a little bit more. Still, I'm personally going to start off like Jobs did. Creating something nice, yet creative.
When it comes to animation, I love all d movies from d BIG Studios. Talking d Ice age franchise, Despicable mes, Cars, Hotel Trans, everything. I never really liked Tango dat much. Maybe I'll find time to watch it again.

I have seen animations done with practically just $5000 and became a sensation.

Its not really about the money....commitment and get the right skillset involved is Key.

But i also hate everything Ice age.

My best animation is actually Frozen and Tangled and of course, Ratatouille.

We can do it.... Lets find a way to start off

$5000 would amount to about N2M. what is d length of the animation and skill set required. I seriously doubt if $5000 could pull it off unless, there are so many ppl involved such dat it's broken down to look like it's an animation short to them. Then there has to be a lot of MOCAP. Otherwise, that venture is suicide mission.
Lol. I really hate to rate animations but since you've pushed me and if I was to rate, ICE AGE would probably too that list. All d franchise. The Animation skills there are second to none. Pixar is Pixar. They are the bullies in the Animation industry so I don't rate them. They own dat spot. Illumination would tie with SONY. Disney would come last becuz they always get me angry with there singing and there animations tends to favour the kids and females cuz they look soft to me. I enjoyed Disney alot more when they where 2D.
In summary, without adequate funding, an animation project here would find it difficult to fly. This is Nigeria, the realities are harsher and you can tell from the pool of 3D artists still hanging on and forging ahead. Still trying to break into the international realm. I only know of you Nijabazzar amongst the people I met here from way back. Everyother person is probably doing some other stuff cuz they they got stuck somewhere within learning. At one point or the other money just has to come in. Unless you are looking at the area type level animation for 3D. And even dat one will gulp fueling and chew time at least.

Actually I believe that most of these foreign cg artists do these stuffs because it's what they love doing regardless of the money. For example if you check YouTube you'll see thousands of really good animated shorts done by people like us over there who don't even work for one big studio. They just do it and upload. So for we Africans to get there I think that we have to first be able to enjoy what we are doing, our outputs should be able to give us joy money or no money. If we start waiting for the money then I don't think that we are ready or will ever be.

reidkrugger:


On finance, no, Africa is not ready. But there are a handful of us that can still manage to pull off something nice with a 100th of dat figure or maybe a little bit more. Still, I'm personally going to start off like Jobs did. Creating something nice, yet creative.
When it comes to animation, I love all d movies from d BIG Studios. Talking d Ice age franchise, Despicable mes, Cars, Hotel Trans, everything. I never really liked Tango dat much. Maybe I'll find time to watch it again.

I did the math, that's over 490 million Naira, Nollywood alone has not even produced a movie worth half of that amount let alone for a 3d cartoon.

Honestly let us tell ourselves the truth, even if we manage to start creating really amazing 3d cartoons in Nollywood it will go a long way, but not like that of Hollywood. Why? Because here in Nigeria the only people who majorly watch cartoons are the children and some teens and a few young adults. Majority of the adults do not watch cartoons and these are the people with the cash. Unlike in the foreign countries where majority of the population watch and appreciate these cartoons. What am I saying?, if we are to make a CGI break through in Africa and Nigeria in particular then our main target is how to integrate it with our Movies. We have to start making high Sci fi movies that require both 3d modeling and animation, something that can appeal to the majority. Am not saying that we should not do 3d cartoons oh what am saying is that if we want to have a break through we should focus on Sci fi movies.

NoChill:
Honestly let us tell ourselves the truth, even if we manage to start creating really amazing 3d cartoons in Nollywood it will go a long way, but not like that of Hollywood. Why? Because here in Nigeria the only people who majorly watch cartoons are the children and some teens and a few young adults. Majority of the adults do not watch cartoons and these are the people with the cash. Unlike in the foreign countries where majority of the population watch and appreciate these cartoons. What am I saying?, if we are to make a CGI break through in Africa and Nigeria in particular then our main target is how to integrate it with our Movies. We have to start making high Sci fi movies that require both 3d modeling and animation, something that can appeal to the majority. Am not saying that we should not do 3d cartoons oh what am saying is that if we want to have a break through we should focus on Sci fi movies.

Not just scifi films, horror and fantasy films too...

Check out Fantastic beasts by Jk Rowlings....

And i thought africa is the headquarters of witches and all thiings supernatural

I have always toed thus your line of thought shaa. Integrating CGI into movies might be the clusterbomb of success for cgi artist in nigeria..i mean we have lots of witches, obanjes and general evils to model, animate, simulate and render for the audience. And do u know that a film about our traditional paranormals might sell more than one about scifi concepts....just thinking aloud sha

We should start off somewhere.

Look at America with practically no original witch/evils outdoing us.

And its a lot cheaper to Do CGI integration sef than full 3d cartoon. Cheap on render times, and scale.

Id just watch a South African movie about a female robot falling in love with a Farm Scarecrow. They had to converse and mingle with live action actors...

I was so ashamed of Nollywood at that moment....ordinary SA has surpassed us

NoChill:
Honestly let us tell ourselves the truth, even if we manage to start creating really amazing 3d cartoons in Nollywood it will go a long way, but not like that of Hollywood. Why? Because here in Nigeria the only people who majorly watch cartoons are the children and some teens and a few young adults. Majority of the adults do not watch cartoons and these are the people with the cash. Unlike in the foreign countries where majority of the population watch and appreciate these cartoons. What am I saying?, if we are to make a CGI break through in Africa and Nigeria in particular then our main target is how to integrate it with our Movies. We have to start making high Sci fi movies that require both 3d modeling and animation, something that can appeal to the majority. Am not saying that we should not do 3d cartoons oh what am saying is that if we want to have a break through we should focus on Sci fi movies.

I beg to differ. A bit. Cartoons have gone beyond "it's a child's thing" in Nigeria. Everybody watches it. Look at d Area Cartoons? Then other guys are beginning to sprout as well and in my opinion, they have improved animations. But Area seems to understand d market more. Wether we like it or not, Animations take time. In dat time you'll be animating, what will keep you glued? What takes care of your needs? I learnt animations buying fuel all through to fuel my Gen and that's close to seven years. These things are not as easy as we think it is. Its a project that might last over a year or more. During dat time, how do you fend for yourself? When we ignore basic things as small as this and reality begins to set in, the project will be going to look in the angle of abandonment, then failure. Things have to be done in the right order.

reidkrugger:


I beg to differ. A bit. Cartoons have gone beyond "it's a child's thing" in Nigeria. Everybody watches it. Look at d Area Cartoons? Then other guys are beginning to sprout as well and in my opinion, they have improved animations. But Area seems to understand d market more. Wether we like it or not, Animations take time. In dat time you'll be animating, what will keep you glued? What takes care of your needs? I learnt animations buying fuel all through to fuel my Gen and that's close to seven years. These things are not as easy as we think it is. Its a project that might last over a year or more. During dat time, how do you fend for yourself? When we ignore basic things as small as this and reality begins to set in, the project will be going to look in the angle of abandonment, then failure. Things have to be done in the right order.

Maybe we can start with crowdfunding or meet rich young guys for funds. Perhaos if they see the passion in us they would invest...

nijabazaar:


Maybe we can start with crowdfunding or meet rich young guys for funds. Perhaos if they see the passion in us they would invest...

Crowd funding. Maybe Yes. A well packaged message may do the trick.
Meeting rich people for money is a no no for me. Asides dat, nobody does anything free dis days.

nijabazaar:


Not just scifi films, horror and fantasy films too...

Check out Fantastic beasts by Jk Rowlings....

And i thought africa is the headquarters of witches and all thiings supernatural

I have always toed thus your line of thought shaa. Integrating CGI into movies might be the clusterbomb of success for cgi artist in nigeria..i mean we have lots of witches, obanjes and general evils to model, animate, simulate and render for the audience. And do u know that a film about our traditional paranormals might sell more than one about scifi concepts....just thinking aloud sha

We should start off somewhere.

Look at America with practically no original witch/evils outdoing us.

And its a lot cheaper to Do CGI integration sef than full 3d cartoon. Cheap on render times, and scale.

Id just watch a South African movie about a female robot falling in love with a Farm Scarecrow. They had to converse and mingle with live action actors...

I was so ashamed of Nollywood at that moment....ordinary SA has surpassed us

S.A is not ordinary o. There is an animation Studio there called "Trigger fish" I think. they have a full feature 3D animation that I've seen and it's by all standards good, thank you very much. But again South Africa is not Nigeria. Working on a project here can be a pain in the pain. So unless, you have people ready to begin work and remain dedicated without any reward, then it's kaboom before it even takes off.

reidkrugger:


S.A is not ordinary o. There is an animation Studio there called "Trigger fish" I think. they have a full feature 3D animation that I've seen and it's by all standards good, thank you very much. But again South Africa is not Nigeria. Working on a project here can be a pain in the pain. So unless, you have people ready to begin work and remain dedicated without any reward, then it's kaboom before it even takes off.

So SA has a high standard animation studio and no one hears about their movies in Africa let alone the world, naija that we don't have anything our Movies are very popular, now imagine what would happen if we start producing high Sci fi movies. And by Sci fi I mean both horror and action, just anything that has to do with CGI

reidkrugger:


Crowd funding. Maybe Yes. A well packaged message may do the trick.
Meeting rich people for money is a no no for me. Asides dat, nobody does anything free dis days.

Please how do we start this crowd fund stuff, I thought Nigeria was banned from such

OK so I was thinking, I know that one of the major challenges that we Nigerians face in the animation industry is the animation itself, how you'll get to rig and animate your character, can take up to months. But what do you guys think about mocap, I know that some of you don't like the idea for some reasons, but think about it if we have a mocap gadget it'll make animation easier and more fun. I believe that most of these Hollywood studios use mocap. What do you think

Quick question guys , how do I use both spline and step keys in one animation ? I don't want to spline all the movement , I want some keys to be stepped , but it seems not to be working

reidkrugger:
$5000 I only know of you Nijabazzar amongst the people I met here from way back. Everyother person is probably doing some other stuff cuz they they got stuck somewhere within learning. At one point or the other money just has to come in. Unless you are looking at the area type level animation for 3D. And even dat one will gulp fueling and chew time at least.

Seems we are the only old guard left...

Life happens. I remember Shimish, Donald3d, Olansart, CGniyi,, i wonder where they have all gone to.

Reid, we are the only ones standing...

nijabazaar:


Seems we are the only old guard left...

Life happens. I remember Shimish, Donald3d, Olansart, CGniyi,, i wonder where they have all gone to.

Reid, we are the only ones standing...

Lol. You see my point? What about okx? then there's velociraptor, Peter reezer, darkside etc. Most of these guys use Maya and Max. At a point, you'll begin to think of buttering your bread or just maybe too occupied with some other stuffs. We are the last line of defense from what was. So my brother, from experience, we have to do things differently and be smart with it. Let's just keep this up, I know something will come up.
I didn't come all this far to quit on Animation. It owes me a lot of money. And I'm going to get every penny it owes me.

NoChill:
OK so I was thinking, I know that one of the major challenges that we Nigerians face in the animation industry is the animation itself, how you'll get to rig and animate your character, can take up to months. But what do you guys think about mocap, I know that some of you don't like the idea for some reasons, but think about it if we have a mocap gadget it'll make animation easier and more fun. I believe that most of these Hollywood studios use mocap. What do you think

It isn't dat MOCAP ain't gud. it's just dat, it's better if you already know how to animate otherwise how do you correct errors arising from d capture? how do you fine tune it if it needs to? It saves a lot of time. It would be nice to have mocap around but it's not just gud for the newbie.

frankmoney:
Quick question guys , how do I use both spline and step keys in one animation ? I don't want to spline all the movement , I want some keys to be stepped , but it seems not to be working

What software are u using again?

reidkrugger:


It isn't dat MOCAP ain't gud. it's just dat, it's better if you already know how to animate otherwise how do you correct errors arising from d capture? how do you fine tune it if it needs to? It saves a lot of time. It would be nice to have mocap around but it's not just gud for the newbie.

There is no way a newbie would want to produce a high standard animation movie, he'll definitely need to become a pro or anything that's not a newbie.

What am saying is that it is necessary to learn all the basics and every thing about animation but it isn't necessary to continue killing and stressing yourself after you've learnt when you can use mocap.

Please how available is mocap gadgets in Nigeria

NoChill:


There is no way a newbie would want to produce a high standard animation movie, he'll definitely need to become a pro or anything that's not a newbie.

What am saying is that it is necessary to learn all the basics and every thing about animation but it isn't necessary to continue killing and stressing yourself after you've learnt when you can use mocap.

Please how available is mocap gadgets in Nigeria

Lol. dats d twist. Mocap is expensive, I think. Nijabazzar should have a beta idea.

reidkrugger:


Lol. dats d twist. Mocap is expensive, I think. Nijabazzar should have a beta idea.

LOL, I was making a research on Diy mocap and I came across an Xbox kinect device that you can use for mocap, it also comes with a face capture device. It's not more than 50k in jumia.

If we can get that kinda stuff I think it can go a long way in helping our ministry

NoChill:


LOL, I was making a research on Diy mocap and I came across an Xbox kinect device that you can use for mocap, it also comes with a face capture device. It's not more than 50k in jumia.

If we can get that kinda stuff I think it can go a long way in helping our ministry

Perhaps we can delve into that mocap...
But. Dont really think animation is the major itch...Composition, rotoscoping, Geometry tracking is the major major of all majors. What if you can animate and cant integrate into live action?

And most cartoony animation wont work properly with mocap (because of the necessary squatch and stretch) unless we are taking facial mocap

reidkrugger:


What software are u using again?

Autodesk maya

NoChill:


There is no way a newbie would want to produce a high standard animation movie, he'll definitely need to become a pro or anything that's not a newbie.

What am saying is that it is necessary to learn all the basics and every thing about animation but it isn't necessary to continue killing and stressing yourself after you've learnt when you can use mocap.

Please how available is mocap gadgets in Nigeria

motion capture definitely makes more sense if you're trying to make a more immersive and serious and realistic film or game. Keyframe makes more sense if you are trying to make a Pixar style film aimed at being more cartoony and fun as opposed to realistic.

nijabazaar:


Perhaps we can delve into that mocap...
But. Dont really think animation is the major itch...Composition, rotoscoping, Geometry tracking is the major major of all majors. What if you can animate and cant integrate into live action?

And most cartoony animation wont work properly with mocap (because of the necessary squatch and stretch) unless we are taking facial mocap

I know, but it'll go a long way in speeding up production time

frankmoney:
Autodesk maya

I use max. the other guys use blender. sorry.

reidkrugger:

I use max. the other guys use blender. sorry.

ahh ok I use blender as well , but I decided to learn Maya , due to it's acceptance

nijabazaar:


Seems we are the only old guard left...

Life happens. I remember Shimish, Donald3d, Olansart, CGniyi,, i wonder where they have all gone to.

Reid, we are the only ones standing...

Still very much around. I mostly follow both you and Reid.

cgniyi:


Still very much around. I mostly follow both you and Reid.

Pls talk at times, advice, chastise

So that we wont be lonely...

Good to know you are very much around