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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:32pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:so we can now use FANTASY points to judge a defender Fantasy wey be say you just need to score...issokay |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:33pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:as expected Harvard Grad |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 1:41pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Afolabi6046: Thats the difference in IQ |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 1:42pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Afolabi6046: That is an indicator. Keepers get points for clean sheets and saves, Defenders get points for clean sheets and goals scored which favors full backs, |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:49pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Alonso:86 Walker:57...both fullbacks. Verdict: Alonso is miles better than Walker since the difference in point is large. I hope you agree? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 1:50pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Afolabi6046:Now you'll have to use your eyes. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:00pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Afolabi6046:This is why common sense is required. 1. Alonso has played 180mins more than Walker and I dont think anyone will argue that Alonso is better than Walker |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:01pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Unlimited22: Is that not what an optometrist should be preaching? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:09pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Alonso would still be ahead nevertheless except you're telling me Walker would make 30+ points in just two matches. Is Alonso better than Walker? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:13pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Afolabi6046: Unlimited22. Aside needing common sense, you have a patient who needs eyes too You quoted the answer and you are still asking the same silly question |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 2:23pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter: He wants you to say it 9 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 2:23pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:At United Sanchez is not a regular so, you can't say the same. In football, we have the attack, midfield and defense so whether or not the attack is doing well, you still have to shore up your defense, the comparison here is Liverpool of the present vs Liverpool before the arrival of VVD which was better defensively? Definitely the present team so whether or not others around VVD have improved, you can't take it away from him s the leader of that defense just as no matter how well Suarez or Dybala plays, Messi and Ronaldo will always get the plaudits. About their run to the final last year, the folks you're trying to misrepresent their comments opined that he improved their defense hence their run to the final, no where did they undermine the contribution of their attack. Let's be honest, if your remove VVD and replace him with Matip, then the chances of Liverpool getting the better of City over two legs will have been very slim. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:24pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:I need you to reply clearly. We've proven that Alonso would eventually have more point than Walker, so is Alonso better than Walker? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 2:24pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:You can go back to that thread, I argued in favor of De Gea. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jemi7: 3:19pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Afolabi6046: You are not that relevant What you have been trying to say holds no relevance because the talk of "displacing " was centered on a particular season, it didn't take me 10 secs to get this, while you on the other hand, have been going round circles. Someone told you Liverpool were displaced by City in a season, and you are saying how can a team that have always been outta the top four be displaced. I am baffled by this complete show of confusion. Carry on |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:34pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
patrickmuf: Liverpool before the arrival of VVD was playign Moreno, Matip Klavan and Karius. Almost all of these players have been shipped off the first team and replaced by young players and expensive transfers. The difference from Liverpool of early last season to now is a world record keeper, a Robertson Gomez and TAA who have continued to develop and VVD To attribute all the credit to VVD is false and illogical Messi and Ronaldo get all the plaudits because they get the most scorer points in this teams. Unless Ronaldo gets the most scorer points when Juve wins the CL then he cannot be the reason they won I asked you if Juve won the CL by strong defensive performances and scoring very little, will we still credit Ronaldo for it? If Juve wins the CL with Dybala scoring 15, Costa assisting 13 while Ronaldo contributed 3 goals + assist will you still credit that to Ronaldo just because he was in the team Last CL final match win, the credit went to Bale because he was the one who scored the winning goals not Ronaldo for leadership 2017 CL final match the credit went to Ronaldo because of what he did on the field not any leadership Last year if you remove VVD vs City maybe they wnt even concede that silly goal they did over the 2 legs. Over 2 legs Liverpool attackers scored 5 goals vs City, Over 2 legs vs Roma they scored 7 goals. Thats 12 goals in 2 games conceding 7 So how will a team that scored 13 and conceded 10 over 4 games claim it was defence that helped ? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:38pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Afolabi6046: Read my post and get understanding. No one is going to spoonfeed you, Wanting to be spoonfed is why you are still at this shekpe level of reasoning |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:39pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
patrickmuf: So how can you be arguing against the same logic now? Why didn't you say it was Mourinho who improved the defence or that it was the new big money signing Lindelof that made the defence better when it was obvious that DDG was the one doing the heavy lifting |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 3:53pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Whoever is attributing it all to VVD, why do you like misrepresenting people? It's not fair. Now, I noticed you deliberately left out Clyne who has just been unlucky with injury, TAA only came into the team because of his absence. Also, Moreno has been binned for the past few seasons for Milner and later, Robertson so it is mischievous for you to talk about Liverpool's defense and include Moreno who is has not been a regular for sometime. Liverpool's defense before the arrival of VVD had Robertson on the left, Matip and Lovren through the middle and TAA at LB. When VVD came in, he replaced Matip and that was the major change in their defense prior to this summer when Allison came in to replace Karius and Gomez took the place of Lovren who struggled with injury earlier in the campaign. The only significant changes have been VVD and Allison. Now, if you are asked who is to be credited for such marked improvement in their defense will you say nobody (collective effort)? If yes, then why was Vidic so highly rated when he had Rio, Neville and Evra with VDS between the sticks? Why is Ramos so highly rated or Varane when they play alongside other great defenders? In your bid to throw mud at VVD you suddenly recognize that TAA is that good, Robertson and Gomez are all exceptional when in all honesty, only Robertson is good enough to have a look in that back 4 bar VVD. If we praise Messi and Ronaldo for scoring the most goals, why then shouldn't we single out a defender for praises for his aerial domination, blocks, tackles and leadership qualities from the back? 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:00pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
patrickmuf: You said I am misrepresenting you but tell me what is the purpose of your past 6 post? Is it not to tell us that the Leadership of VVD is why Liverpool is conceding less? Ok from what you said. Liverpool was playing Milner as a makeshift LB but changed him to Robertson, they were playing Lovren Matip and Klavan which they changed to Gomez and VVD, they were playing TAA who was new and playing some of his first senior games. Now they have a world record keeper in their ranks yet all you have wanted us to believe all the while is that the defence improved because of VVD Not because of world record keeper, not because of Robertson, not because of TAA who has improved and had several outstanding performances vs top opponents including Sane and even Ronaldo. Its because of VVD Messi and Ronaldo get the credit because of what they show on the field Last CL final match win, the credit went to Bale because he was the one who scored the winning goals not Ronaldo for leadership 2017 CL final match the credit went to Ronaldo because of what he did on the field not any leadership 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 4:13pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Some kind arguments dey make person look like who dey lonely. VVD not relevant to liverpool's backline. Wonders shall never end |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 4:56pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
What do we make up of this?
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 4:57pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:How many games did Lindelof play? VVD is a constant in that Liverpool defence, same can't be said of Lindelof at United... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 5:02pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:So, you have not been watching VVD on the field? You laid claims to the over 10 goals Liverpool conceded but when Airmark asked you to highlight just 5 goals that was directly caused by VVD you retracted. If you don't want to give VVD his due accolades citing the marked improvements of others around him, why should we recognize the contributions of Boateng, Vidic, Ramos, Puyol etc Didn't they have even better team mates than VVD currently have at Pool? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:03pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Leyqute: Wanting people to spoonfeed them is why people dont think for themselves. There is something called deductive reasoning |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:08pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
patrickmuf: When goals are conceded its not VVD fault, when goals are not conceded its VVD work and leadership Where was this leadership when 10 goals were conceded in 4 games abi na only when they keep clean sheets that VVD is responsible 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:15pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Boateng Vidic Ramos Puyol have activities on the fiield defensive ones when their team was playing not pointing to bogus leadership All these 4 players won the CL Boateng in 2013 in the last 4 games Boateng played Juve, Barca and Dortmund and conceded 1 goal from a penalty Ramos in 2014 in the last 4 games Ramos played Bayern Dortmund and Atletico conceded 3 goals Ramos in 2016 in the last 4 games Ramos played Wolfsburg Bayern and Atletico and conceded 1 goal Vidic won the CL in 2008 in his last 4 games vs Roma, Barcelona and Chelsea Vidic conceded 1 goal Puyol won the CL in 2009 in the last 4 games Barca conceded 1 goal VVD got to the final in the last 4 games conceded 10 goals Can you spot the difference? 10 goal in 4 games 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:17pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
patrickmuf: If its not Lindelof should we credit Smalling or Jones rather than DDG that was making the saves |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:18pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
eph12: ask patrikmuf afolabi |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 5:18pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:How many shots on goal does De Gea make per game compared to Allison or rather, how many shots on goal has Allison had to deal with compared to Karius without VVD? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 5:27pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Played less yet he dominates in the stats which are crucial when analyzing a CB. In your other post, you talk about Boateng, Puyol, Vidic in comparison to the number of goals their respective teams conceded but you forgotten they didn't play alongside average Joe's and inexperienced colleagues...Those team they played in were at some point the best in the world and went on to dominate their domestic leagues, same can't be said of Liverpool who are not even the best in England. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:31pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
patrickmuf: Boateng in 2013 played alongside Dante and a 20yr old Alaba |
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