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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Donbrig: 9:09pm On Nov 16, 2018
There is public holiday next week Tuesday.. When is the next treasury bill auction?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by acorntree(m): 9:43pm On Nov 16, 2018
Donbrig:
There is public holiday next week Tuesday.. When is the next treasury bill auction?

29/11/2018

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by megafaraday(m): 10:49pm On Nov 16, 2018
jujutom:


Cool! Now if for example 1 have $1000 fixed in a dorm account with GTbank for a month or two and lets say d interest rate was 1% or less.... if i was to redraw all the capital and the interest after the ending of the tenure, wat are the charges ontop? Will the charges remove the supposed interest dat was incurred before?

You have nothing to fear bro. The charges are negligible. Trust me on that.
The screenshot is from a withdrawal I made. I withdrew $225, $0.11 was the charge and $0.01 VAT

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Buffalowings3(m): 11:10pm On Nov 16, 2018
hias2012:


Good analogy. Good to diversify,and well done folks. But what none has hinted is at what "time" one converts his/her dollars to Naira in order to make profit. In 2016 when the exchange rate skyrocketed was partly because of scarcity of dollars. Banks put a cap on how much dollars you could spend off your dorm account whilst abroad. For the most part, withdrawing in Nigeria wasn't even as easy as the banks cried they didn't have dollars to issue out. I guess this was the case whether you wanted to buy off the counter or withdraw from your dorm account. Hence the black market rate headed far North. And this is the reason people matained warehouses and Ikoyi flats as their dorm account for easy access.When we analyse it's good we highlight the pros and cons. The reason majority invest in TB is because they are sure of their rates, interest and capital and the "time". If you stack your dorm account, which is good, but who says or knows when exchange rate would go again far up and juicy enough at which point you decide to sell? This is not known by anyone. We've probably had like the 2016 experience twice since 1999 or thereabout. Many people died while waiting.

That said the second issue is that everybody is not the same. Some are more risk adverse than others. Some would dare the risk with the hopes of higher returns, and we know that only a percentage of this actually make their money - make it big while others lose evrything or die due to hypertension. But those who like it small, and are careful investing in zero-risk ventures are free from the above hassles, they ALL make their money albeith surely and steadily.

The third is that it is not TB rate that determines inflation rate but the reverse. Hence the fluctuation. So those praying for higher TB rate should know. Higher inflation, higher TB rate and we actually don't pray for this. We pray intlation rates keep going down. So if you have money and you don't know the sure profitable business or venture to invest in, keep investing in TB. However, make sure you don't eat all the interest, make sure part of it is reinvested otherwise with rising inflation the actual worth of your money is reducing over time if you EAT all the interest.

So far all the analysis make a good read for me, and this forum has to be lively to educate and as well to thrill.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Indigbo: 11:27pm On Nov 16, 2018
Indigbo:
Secondary Market dashboard for today from First Bank:


91days @ 10.95%

98days @ 11.7%

140 days @ 11.90%

350days @ 13%

336days @ 13%



Can someone please calculate my interest only at maturity if i invest N9m,450k for 98 days @ 11.7% if in invest interest ?



Can someone please help answer this?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ifelove1(m): 12:27am On Nov 17, 2018
Indigbo:
Secondary Market dashboard for today from First Bank:


91days @ 10.95%

98days @ 11.7%

140 days @ 11.90%

350days @ 13%

336days @ 13%



Can someone please calculate my interest only at maturity if i invest N9m,450k for 98 days @ 11.7% if in invest interest ?

1. Interest= 9,000,000 * (11.7 /100) *(98/364)
2. Interest= 450,000*(11.7/100)*(98/364)

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by jujutom(m): 2:18am On Nov 17, 2018
megafaraday:


You have nothing to fear bro. The charges are negligible. Trust me on that.
The screenshot is from a withdrawal I made. I withdrew $225, $0.11 was the charge and $0.01 VAT

Wow very fair! Cool
So my next question is wat are their rates for fixed deposits
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by helpforever: 6:31am On Nov 17, 2018
Better than shares ?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Dreamflyin(m): 9:15am On Nov 17, 2018
I'm not sure FirstBank Sec market is really 13%.
I bought a 337 days with N3m, and I got N357k+.
I'm still fuming and regretting why I didn't transfer to Stanbic.

FBN secondary market is total rip off. And to make it unnoticeable, they never sent an email or SMS alert.

NGN3,825,627.11CR‎ was my account balance prior to the subscription. The lady at the desk said it was 13% for 337 days. On checking new account balance after sub, I now have NGN1,182,695.95.

Let the previous old bills mature, and that's the end.
FBN is a bad choice in TBills Secondary market.

At 13%, its supposed to be N390k. A loss of almost N40k.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Grupo(m): 9:20am On Nov 17, 2018
Dreamflyin:
I'm not sure FirstBank Sec market is really 13%.
I bought a 337 days with N3m, and I got N357k+.
I'm still fuming and regretting why I didn't transfer to Stanbic.

FBN secondary market is total rip off. And to make it unnoticeable, they never sent an email or SMS alert.

NGN3,825,627.11CR‎ was my account balance prior to the subscription. The lady at the desk said it was 13% for 337 days. On checking new account balance after sub, I now have NGN1,182,695.95.

Let the previous old bills mature, and that's the end.
FBN is a bad choice in TBills Secondary market.

At 13%, its supposed to be N390k. A loss of almost N40k.

Personally, I don't like secondary market. You should have bought primary market this week na. Or wait two weeks for another primary market.

You may not know it but the difference of 1% in interest rate is actually something that's very huge to ignore.


I did a quick calculation and saw that you were supposed to get roughly 360k. But according to you, you got 357k. Somehow, it is still in order.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by onuku: 11:00am On Nov 17, 2018
[quote author=Indigbo post=73032760]Secondary Market dashboard for today from First Bank:


91days @ 10.95%

98days @ 11.7%

140 days @ 11.90%

350days @ 13%

336days @ 13%



Can someone please calculate my interest only at maturity if i invest N9m,450k for 98 days @ 11.7% if in invest interest ?

N296,858.45K
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 11:26am On Nov 17, 2018
Donbrig:
There is public holiday next week Tuesday.. When is the next treasury bill auction?

What is the public holiday for?.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by unite4real: 11:56am On Nov 17, 2018
Dreamflyin:
I'm not sure FirstBank Sec market is really 13%.
I bought a 337 days with N3m, and I got N357k+.
I'm still fuming and regretting why I didn't transfer to Stanbic.

FBN secondary market is total rip off. And to make it unnoticeable, they never sent an email or SMS alert.

NGN3,825,627.11CR‎ was my account balance prior to the subscription. The lady at the desk said it was 13% for 337 days. On checking new account balance after sub, I now have NGN1,182,695.95.

Let the previous old bills mature, and that's the end.
FBN is a bad choice in TBills Secondary market.

At 13%, its supposed to be N390k. A loss of almost N40k.

You didn't invest for 364 days. It's 337 days. Do ur calculations again and you will see it's in order with only a minor margin maybe from commissions

13% of 3m is 390k. This is for 364 days. Since you did 337, you need to resolve it to know interest for one day which is 390,000/364 which is about N1,071.

Multiply N1,071 by 337 and you get around 360k. Or perhaps 361k.

Continue this calculations to know what your bank balance will look like. Also check if there are other minor deductions but the margin is little. If you ask me, the problem is that first bank gave you a low rate for that tenor.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Indigbo: 12:04pm On Nov 17, 2018
Ifelove1:

1. Interest= 9,000,000 * (11.7 /100) *(98/364)
2. Interest= 450,000*(11.7/100)*(98/364)

What if it's N9.6m?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Indigbo: 12:05pm On Nov 17, 2018
[quote author=onuku post=73048409][/quote]

Ifelove1 got 450k, how did you arrive at yours?

What if the capital is N9.6m?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ifelove1(m): 12:11pm On Nov 17, 2018
Indigbo:


Ifelove1 got 450k, how did you arrive at yours?

What if the capital is N9.6m?
I think I misunderstood your question. I thought you asked two separate questions.
9,450,000 * (11.7/100) * (98/364) = 297,675
9,600,000 * (11.7/100) * (98/364) = 302,400
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nwandy218: 1:42pm On Nov 17, 2018
Hello house I have 5m in Gt and will like to pull out. Maturity date is March 2019. 180 days cycle. How much will I lose.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 2:25pm On Nov 17, 2018
Ochux01:


Its a non cash investment, its bank to bank, investors are only required to block and show fund in their own account!!! and then get 20% ROI in just 15days!!!


Pls contact me for details and documents
07013510007
can please move this rubbish out of here

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Iamzik: 7:56pm On Nov 17, 2018
Agbaletu:
We have many eggheads here. Well done guys! The argument is very healthy for our investment/savings.
Each time I see the money in my $ Dom account, it make me sad. Can't convert to Naira to buy Tbill. Bought at N400 and now it is N360. I have decided to forget it until something positive happens.

Another experience up there.

Both Tbill and forex have their own risk

The most important thing is to know WHEN(TIME) to invest and when to divest

QED

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Yem0350: 10:43pm On Nov 17, 2018
Nwandy218:
Hello house I have 5m in Gt and will like to pull out. Maturity date is March 2019. 180 days cycle. How much will I lose.
Reason why MMF is better at times

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Donbrig: 9:29am On Nov 18, 2018
NL1960:


What is the public holiday for?.

The muslims are celebrating one of their endless festivals.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C505: 6:05pm On Nov 18, 2018
Yem0350:

Reason why MMF is better at times

Absolute top advantage over TB
EEEE- easy entry, easy exit

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nnamz(m): 7:14pm On Nov 18, 2018
GonFreecss1:
It's good to be back. I was banned for a while, it's unfortunate there was no need to insult anyone just because of an online difference in opinion, it is far better to lose an argument online than to lose money in real life. This is what many fail or forget to understand, with that said I never came in here to prove any point to anyone or make people uncomfortable, I was just giving advice so people can learn more.

Some even went as far as making assumptions on what I said and what I did not. Someone even claimed to study Economics in unilag just to make a point, to some it will be funny, but it scared me that people always forget what money is all about, the financial markets don't care about your school, your course or how many degrees you have, even experience sometimes count for nothing as people have short term memories, but what never changes is human behavior.

What I will do is go on to reply someone who quoted me, I tried to reply him but I was blocked. Then I will go on to drop final key points. I hope this all benefits everyone.

Why were you blocked?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 1:01am On Nov 19, 2018
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by GonFreecss1: 5:30am On Nov 19, 2018
Nnamz:


Why were you blocked?

I think I have an idea, but mentioning why might get me blocked again, as I have been banned twice now, just got freed from the second ban. That word starts from a C and ends in y.

Sad that I can't write what I wanted though as it was something I feel enlightens, if I get banned again after this I will know it's deliberate, as I never advertised anything or created anything spam-ish in nature.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by speedyconnect3: 5:59pm On Nov 19, 2018
GonFreecss1:


I think I have an idea, but mentioning why might get me blocked again, as I have been banned twice now, just got freed from the second ban. That word starts from a C and ends in y.

Sad that I can't write what I wanted though as it was something I feel enlightens, if I get banned again after this I will know it's deliberate, as I never advertised anything or created anything spam-ish in nature.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by speedyconnect3: 6:19pm On Nov 19, 2018
Freedem:


If the rate never appreciates to 600, then the guy is screwed..

Mind you the dollar has been devalued by 222 naira over the period of 15 years , that's enough time to make a profit.

If you look at the graph , you will see dips that you can capitalize on to make a profit..

The people who scream inflation act like it's a compounding phenomenon.. eg

Inflation maybe 12% this year and 17% next year , that's only an increase of 5%, whereas your total interest on tb if your yearly average is 14%, means a total of 28% in two years ..that's s profit of 23%.


As have been expressed earlier nobody knows what the exchange rates will look like , it may go up, but in the interim there's lots of opportunities to make a profit..

Need I remind you that Somalias currency has gained significant value over the last 5 years , so it can happen.






I need to understand this please.
See this scenario.


If inflation rate is 12% this year and in 2019 its 14%. That's 2% rise.


If I do t bills at 15% in 2019, does it mean that I gained 13% because of 2% rise. Or that I gained 1% because inflation is 14% in 2019.


Gonfreecss1

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by GonFreecss1: 9:18pm On Nov 19, 2018
speedyconnect3:


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Crrryypttoocurrennccyy?

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1 or 2

Lol. 1.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by BiafraIShere(m): 10:29pm On Nov 19, 2018
Please when was the last TBills sold by CBN and when is the next one coming up?
It seems like Zenith Bank is playing games with me. I gave them instruction to invest 1.6 million in TBills for 90 days tenor since last week Monday, yet the money has remained in my account. They tried to dissuade me against TBills and rather wanted me to go for FD but I refused flatly based on better interest rates of the former.
I need to know the date please, and also if it's possible to go for secondary market and invest for just 2 months instead of 3.

HELP PLEASE!

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