patrickmuf:
Played less yet he dominates in the stats which are crucial when analyzing a CB.

In your other post, you talk about Boateng, Puyol, Vidic in comparison to the number of goals their respective teams conceded but you forgotten they didn't play alongside average Joe's and inexperienced colleagues...Those team they played in were at some point the best in the world and went on to dominate their domestic leagues, same can't be said of Liverpool who are not even the best in England.

Are you sure you are looking at the stats eph posted. Rotate it

All these useless arguments are boring. The addition of VVD to the Liverpool team has improved their defense and performance in games from last season. This is a simple matter.

I don't know what people gain from being hypocritical and using double standard in looking at issues.

Na wa o

raumdeuter:


Are you sure you are looking at the stats eph posted. Rotate it

I noticed VVD's clearance and block are by far higher than others, especially clearance. Does this mean extra work or coverage?

raumdeuter:
No one will talk about how diabolical Hidden Shakushaku has been

I didn't watch the match so it's difficult to pass my verdict but from the highlights Belgium were comfortably leading before Switzerland went rampage on them.you can play excellently well and still lose a game.so carry your diabolical tag commot for my hazard head.


Were your man city favourite players diabolical too when we won at ethihad 2 seasons ago?

eph12:

I noticed VVD's clearance and block are by far higher than others, especially clearance. Does this mean extra work or coverage?

why will you be clearing balls like you are in Agege stadium when you can calmly play it out of the back

popizaino:
I didn't watch the match so it's difficult to pass my verdict but from the highlights Belgium were comfortably leading before Switzerland went rampage on them.you can play excellently well and still lose a game.so carry your diabolical tag commot for my hazard head.
Were your man city favourite players diabolical too when we won at ethihad 2 seasons ago?

When you lose 5-2 and Hidden created nothing in attack thats diabolical. His younger brother got 2 goals in the game but the twerker of the family Mr Shakushaku was probably waiting for penalties

Ask those who watched and they will tell you

Switzerland: Sommer (7), Klose (7), Rodriguez (7), Mbabu (7), Elvedi (6), Zuber (6), Xhaka (7), Freuler (6), Fernandes (7), Seferovic (-8-), Shaqiri (8-)

Subs: Zakaria (6), Benito (5), Ajeti (5)

Belgium: Courtois (6), Alderweireld (5), Kompany (5), Boyata (5), Meunier (5), Tielemans (5), Witsel (5), Chadli (5), T Hazard (7), Mertens (5), E Hazard (5)

raumdeuter:


why will you be clearing balls like you are in Agege stadium when you can calmly play it out of the back

What's your opinion on the tackling stats there?

From their passing stats sef, VVD is doing much better than the rest

raumdeuter:


Read my post and get understanding. No one is going to spoonfeed you, Wanting to be spoonfed is why you are still at this shekpe level of reasoning

why are you so scared to tell us that Doherty is better than David Luiz because he has more fantasy point. Are you afraid that statement would come and bite you hard. FANTASY premier league

eph12:

What's your opinion on the tackling stats there?

From their passing stats sef, VVD is doing much better than the rest

Interception is the most important part of a defenders job and how is he doing there

Afolabi6046:
why are you so scared to tell us that Doherty is better than David Luiz because he has more fantasy point. Are you afraid that statement would come and bite you hard. FANTASY premier league

Of course Chelsea fan attribute because David Luiz and Doherty play the same role on the field. both are center backs or both are full backs

raumdeuter:


Interception is the most important part of a defenders job and how is he doing there

I promise to answer you after you answer the questions I asked.

eph12:

I promise to answer you after you answer the questions I asked.

Tackling is mainly high for defenders that are usually badly positioned

Have you read what Maldini one of the greatest defenders ever said about tackles?

Maldini: “IF I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake.”

For VVD tackles to be that high will mean he makes a lot of mistakes and is very rash

eph12

example of such

patrickmuf:

How many shots on goal does De Gea make per game compared to Allison or rather, how many shots on goal has Allison had to deal with compared to Karius without VVD?

Is there a way you can get this stat?

The only things I can see is that Allison has had to make 25 saves this season, Kepa 23, Ederson 19 DeGea 42. So after Man Utd Liverpool keeper is the one making the most saves, meaning he is the one probably facing the most shots

Spurs and Arsenal have changed keepers many times this season Lloris and cech havent been stable in goal

raumdeuter:


Tackling is mainly high for defenders that are usually badly positioned

Have you read what Maldini one of the greatest defenders ever said about tackles?

Maldini: “IF I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake.”

For VVD tackles to be that high will mean he makes a lot of mistakes and is very rash

His tackles per match is lesser than others in his team. Does this means others are always poorly positioned and then he has to make more clearances to ease pressure?

if to say na me dey argue this kind thing dem go don insult me.
This man must be a lawyer, argue anything arguable.
He fit argue say moon na sun and sun na moon. some gullible ones go believe

The problem is people just argue because Raumdeuter is involved. I am not sure anyone here is saying VVD is not good or that he is not partly responsible for LFCs improvements in defence. The issue is, some people have said he is solely responsible even attributing their getting to the UCL final to him alone and Raumdeuter is factually suggesting that the data does not justify this argument. La Porte only came up to challenge one of the "facts" that someone else tried to make when that person claimed LFC had conceded the least amount of goals since VVD showed up. La Porte was shown to have actually played in a team that has conceded less since that time and from there people who did not even follow the discourse started trying to make popular opinions.

Eruditor:
The problem is people just argue because Raumdeuter is involved. I am not sure anyone here is saying VVD is not good or that he is not partly responsible for LFCs improvements in defence. The issue is, some people have said he is solely responsible even attributing their getting to the UCL final to him alone and Raumdeuter is factually suggesting that the data does not justify this argument. La Porte only came up to challenge one of the "facts" that someone else tried to make when that person claimed LFC had conceded the least amount of goals since VVD showed up. La Porte was shown to have actually played in a team that has conceded less since that time and from there people who did not even follow the discourse started trying to make popular opinions.

bros did he improve the defense or not

Eruditor:
The problem is people just argue because Raumdeuter is involved. I am not sure anyone here is saying VVD is not good or that he is not partly responsible for LFCs improvements in defence. The issue is, some people have said he is solely responsible even attributing their getting to the UCL final to him alone and Ramdeuter is factually suggesting that the data does not justify this argument. La Porte only came up to challenge one of the "facts" that someone else tried to make when that person claimed LFC had conceded the least amount of goals since VVD showed up. La Porte was shown to have actually played in a team that has conceded less since that time and from there people who did not even follow the discourse started trying to make popular opinions.

You are a very brilliant man. Don't assume everyone will understand, you know that Chelsea fans are a very peculiar bunch

eph12:

His tackles per match is lesser than others in his team. Does this means others are always poorly positioned and then he has to make more clearances to ease pressure?

He makes less tackles in defence which is commendable but having to clear or budee the ball like an amateur playing at Agege stadium are some of these negatives.

Look at the stat below for a defender 3yrs younger

odizeey:
bros did he improve the defense or not

Did Robertson improve the defence or not? Did Gomez improve the Liverpool defence this season or not? Did ALlison improve the Liverpool defence or not?

Eruditor:
The problem is people just argue because Raumdeuter is involved. I am not sure anyone here is saying VVD is not good or that he is not partly responsible for LFCs improvements in defence. The issue is, some people have said he is solely responsible even attributing their getting to the UCL final to him alone and Raumdeuter is factually suggesting that the data does not justify this argument. La Porte only came up to challenge one of the "facts" that someone else tried to make when that person claimed LFC had conceded the least amount of goals since VVD showed up. La Porte was shown to have actually played in a team that has conceded less since that time and from there people who did not even follow the discourse started trying to make popular opinions.

follow the arguement.

People singled out vvd for being exceptional in liverpool defence just like people single out messi/ronaldo. that doesn't mean other defenders are not contributing to the defense liverpool is currently enjoying.

But as usual, because raumdeuter doesn't like to be wrong, he has to crap all over vvd and elivate some else while everyone goes crazy trying to prove someone that will never accept he is wrong wrong.

EarthXmetahuman:
follow the arguement.

People singled out vvd for being exceptional in liverpool defence just like people single out messi/ronaldo. that doesn't mean other defenders are not contributing to the defense liverpool is currently enjoying.

But as usual, because ramdeuter doesn't like to be wrong, he has to crap all over vvd and elivate some else while everyone goes crazy trying to prove someone that will never accept he is wrong wrong.

Messi and Ronaldo are exceptional in their team offence, they lead in goals + assists way ahead of others. Sometimes Messi and Ronaldo score 50-60 goals a season

VVD has not been significantly better than others in Liverpool defence while Messi/Ronaldo are head shoulders and knees above everyone in their teams offence

EarthXmetahuman:
follow the arguement.

People singled out vvd for being exceptional in liverpool defence just like people single out messi/ronaldo. that doesn't mean other defenders are not contributing to the defense liverpool is currently enjoying.

But as usual, because raumdeuter doesn't like to be wrong, he has to crap all over vvd and elivate some else while everyone goes crazy trying to prove someone that will never accept he is wrong wrong.

no mind that man.

eph12:

What's your opinion on the tackling stats there?

From their passing stats sef, VVD is doing much better than the rest

I am tired of arguing over something we shouldn't be arguing about at all.

For example this first claim

BlackManta:


Since Van Dijk's arrival in January, Liverpool has conceded the least number of goals and kept the most clean sheets than anyone across all 5 European top leagues in 2018 #Facts

This is not a joke.

It is truth.

I won't argue with you, plz check out the statistics for yourself.

When I checked the stats, I found out it was a big lie that Laporte has conceded fewer

patrickmuf:
I am tired of arguing over something we shouldn't be arguing about at all.

Its basic logic

Are you watching Germany vs Holland, Do you see the role of VVD in the goal Holland conceded. VVD vs Gnabry duel leading to that goal

I am sure they will blame everyone including Karius for that goal

Holland has just conceded the second goal within 20mins

But but but Buhari Trump and Obasanjo Leadership

The number 1 moroonn on this forum last week was showing highlights of Deligt tagging VVD with it

raumdeuter:


He makes less tackles in defence which is commendable but having to clear or budee the ball like an amateur playing at Agege stadium are some of these negatives.

Look at the stat below for a defender 3yrs younger

Between VVD and LaPorte, who faces more pressure in defense?

Negatives to who?

patrickmuf:
I am tired of arguing over something we shouldn't be arguing about at all.

I am not even sure what this argument is about sef. is it that VVD is a bad defender or that he is good but others in his team do better than him or that he's not the key man in that defense. I don't exactly what it is

raumdeuter:


He makes less tackles in defence which is commendable but having to clear or budee the ball like an amateur playing at Agege stadium are some of these negatives.

Look at the stat below for a defender 3yrs younger

with all your acclaimed education, what does this screenshot suggest abeg?

eph12:

I am not even sure what this argument is about sef. is it that VVD is a bad defender or that he is good but others in his team do better than him or that he's not the key man in that defense. I don't exactly what it is

the arguement no get head. baba just be like elamps wen like to dey argue against the tide to show supremacy