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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 12:00am On Nov 20, 2018 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 12:02am On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Lol Vidic was averaging 8-9 clearances and over 2 tackles per match even though he played with better defenders. But but he organizes his defence very well. Is that not the leadership thing you were criticizing the other time? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 12:03am On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:All the ones in green are the better stats |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:05am On Nov 20, 2018 |
kendrick93: Baresi was good but Maldini was better than him. Way better too |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:07am On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: Show us the stats for Vidic. And who are the better defenders he played with? Only Evra. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 12:16am On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Is Gomez better than the player Ferdinand was? Is TAA better than the player Rafael was at that time?
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 12:17am On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:i Can bet my left balls that barca fans will win it. Very ignorant people. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 12:20am On Nov 20, 2018 |
Vidic and Ferdinand had same interception rate but Vidic was busy making tackles and budeeing the ball all over the pitch. Raumdeuter: Ferdinand was the better defender |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 12:32am On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:yeah we know that they only make errors when it concerns your preferred players. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:32am On Nov 20, 2018 |
Ibime: This is what you see in great defenders like Terry, Puyol and Co and what Boathand lacks. Vvd is the leader in Liverpool's defence, and already warming himself into the hearts of soccer experts and sensible soccer fans. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 12:35am On Nov 20, 2018 |
After Germany opened the scoring, Dayo rushed to mention me, just checked and saw that VVD scored the equalizer... Raumdeuter, you should be honest enough to also give me a mention. 10 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:39am On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: You don play pon pon football. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:39am On Nov 20, 2018 |
patrickmuf: Because as a Central defender your ability to stop goals not score is what actually matters |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:41am On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: Provide the stats for when Vidic was at his peak 2007 to 2009 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 12:45am On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:Lol Hiero and Ramos are strikers then. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 1:07am On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12:now, this is one of those cases you should drop your eyes, sense and stats and listen to what one of the greatest has to say. Raumdeuter is a joke. He likes ridiculing himself. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 1:20am On Nov 20, 2018 |
patrickmuf: Are they regarded as greats because of their defensive work or their goal scoring? When we are at it, Lets also name Rogerio Ceni as the greatest goalkeeper because he scored a lot much more than Buffon and Kahn 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 1:21am On Nov 20, 2018 |
Greatihex: What exactly are you trying to say here? I know you probably dont have an idea of what you are even on |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 1:58am On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Laye squared. Maybe most versatile, but peak Baresi is the best pure defender i ever saw......probably that ever lived. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 3:48am On Nov 20, 2018 |
EarthXmetahuman: I followed the argument. You lot are always on an anti-raumdeuter agenda. Nobody singled VVD out for being exceptional - they said he is the solitary reason LFC got to a UCL final and the reason they are 2nd today. Nothing I have seen as facts or data supports this. Of course, VVD is the best defender at Liverpool. But other things have changed with his presence namely a new GK and other rapidly improving defenders around him. The question then is, why attribute every success to VVD? What stat gives credence to this line of reasoning? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 3:50am On Nov 20, 2018 |
odizeey: Nobody said the defense did not improve or that he is inconsequential to the improvement. The question is, is he the sole reason? The answer is no, or at least not based on any data that has been presented here. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc(m): 4:56am On Nov 20, 2018 |
Arguments here sometimes dey be like TV series. Lol 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 6:30am On Nov 20, 2018 |
Eruditor: There's a reason some people called Barca, Messi fc, despite other players doing their best. When someone is pivotal to your improvement, no two ways about it. When you see people tipping vvd as not only the best in epl, but saying he's one of the cbs in the world, then you should know he wasn't being rated because of his height. Redknapp: “A moment of ingenuity and leadership like this highlights Van Dijk's value to Jurgen Klopp's side. With every week that passes, the £75m man is proving he is worth every penny.” Neville: Milner for Liverpool , who have been outstanding. Virgil van Dijk: outstanding. But Van Dijk – worryingly – has impressed me more than anybody. He’s just a fantastic central defender. Riise: “The best CB [centre-back] in the world is Virgil van Dijk. “The difference he has made since he came. So calm. Can play. Strong in the air. “Power! Pure power! Big fan! And he wasn’t worth the money (!) I bet every club wished they had him now.” Carragher: ‘I knew Van Dijk was a good player, but he is better than what I thought,’ ‘We’ve always said Liverpool can’t win the Premier League because of their defence, but now they have Van Dijk, who I think is the best centre back in the Premier League. ‘I can’t think of a defender off the top of my head that is better. He’s the man to step into the positon Vincent Kompany has had over the last four seasons as that leader and colossus. ‘They are very similar as players – there is nothing they lack. When Kompany was at his best three years ago, I didn’t think there was a centre-back that was better than him. ‘Over the next three or four years, if Liverpool could win a league or a Champions League, I think Van Dijk has the potential to actually go down alongside Alan Hansen if we’re talking about Liverpool’s best ever teams – that’s how good he is and how good he can become. Before VVD joined Liverpool, I'm not sure these guys above had rated any of their cbs like this. Sane minds know what it means, only fools will still argue with what is obvious. Liverpool fans already have a special song for him, if they have for other defenders, sing it, you can use raumdeuter's head as drum. 5 Likes
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 6:56am On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:He won EPL player of the year 2010/11 season |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 7:00am On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:But you were Hummels case during the world cup for missing goal scoring chances that would have kept Germany in the competition. Glad to know it doesn't matter anymore 14 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 7:00am On Nov 20, 2018 |
airmark:Which one be pon pon football again? Lol |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 7:09am On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: You forgot to add 'oponu' at the end of your statement. eph12: Diggz will update you. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 7:12am On Nov 20, 2018 |
eph12: And you say you sabi warri? Go ask jemi7 about kpon kpon football club for warri.. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 7:17am On Nov 20, 2018 |
airmark: No surprise that former Liverpool players think their defender is the best in the world. They are entitled to that opinion. I am agnostic to who the best defender in the world is. However, him being the best CB in the world, or being LFCs best player this season (which he isn't) is not equivalent to saying he is the sole reason for their UCL final or their current second position. If there is any data to back this up, bring it. Raumdueter did not even say Laporte was better than VVD. He raised up Laporte to challenge what BlackMantra said about LFC conceding the least amount of goals and what not. If you see him showing missteps and mistakes from VVD it is because he is trying to puncture that notion that VVD is the sole deliverer of LFC. VVD is their best defender - easily, so if they concede goals he should take the blame to the same degree that you people are dashing him all the plaudits. As for Messi and Barca, we are now MessiFC I agree, but we were not MessiFC in 2008/09 or 2010/11 even though Messi was clearly our best player. Nobody can then claim "Messi is the sole reason Barca won the UCL in those years" it will be tantamount to ojoro conclusion. Simple. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 7:57am On Nov 20, 2018 |
diggz:Oh that one? E don tey na |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 7:58am On Nov 20, 2018 |
raumdeuter:don't u dare blaspheme.. show one person who thought maldini was better than baresi... way better?? you must be joking maldini was more better as a LB than a a Cb...though he was still great as a Cb... baresi was ahead of his time,was one of the pioneers of the high line... Baresi was voted as Ac Milan's player of the 20th century |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 8:00am On Nov 20, 2018 |
airmark: Raumdeuter na my egbon. We may disagree on this but we agree on many other things eg Hazard |
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