Greatihex:
have you ever talked about how horrible Neymar played in any match?

raumdeuter:


Vidic organizes his defence very well only resort to tackles to cover his lack of pace and most times his tackles get him into trouble.

Maldini is probably the best defender of the past 40yrs

Lol Vidic was averaging 8-9 clearances and over 2 tackles per match even though he played with better defenders. But but he organizes his defence very well. Is that not the leadership thing you were criticizing the other time?

raumdeuter:


And what is the better stat? Just to be clearing the ball senselessly like Sodje?

All the ones in green are the better stats

kendrick93:
baresi was better..
he's rated as the greatest Centre back ever by most

Baresi was good but Maldini was better than him. Way better too

eph12:

Lol Vidic was averaging 8-9 clearances and over 2 tackles per match even though he played with better defenders. But but he organizes his defence very well. Is that not the leadership thing you were criticizing the other time?

Show us the stats for Vidic. And who are the better defenders he played with? Only Evra.

raumdeuter:


Show us the stats for Vidic. And who are the better defenders he played with? Only Evra.

Is Gomez better than the player Ferdinand was? Is TAA better than the player Rafael was at that time?

raumdeuter:


They wear the coat of ignorance with such pride that its amazing. When you gather the most ignorant football fans, 80% of them are usually Chelsea fans

i Can bet my left balls that barca fans will win it. Very ignorant people.

Vidic and Ferdinand had same interception rate but Vidic was busy making tackles and budeeing the ball all over the pitch.

Raumdeuter: Ferdinand was the better defender

raumdeuter:


The crux of the matter is to use your eyes and brains in judging events. CAF, FIFA UEFA have been known to make errors

yeah we know that they only make errors when it concerns your preferred players.

Ibime:

There are things we look for in defence that you would not notice, not glitz and glamour. It's not by overexuberance that makes us rate defenders, it's those who organise their teammates well as a unit.

This is what you see in great defenders like Terry, Puyol and Co and what Boathand lacks.

Vvd is the leader in Liverpool's defence, and already warming himself into the hearts of soccer experts and sensible soccer fans.

After Germany opened the scoring, Dayo rushed to mention me, just checked and saw that VVD scored the equalizer...
Raumdeuter, you should be honest enough to also give me a mention.

eph12:
Vidic and Ferdinand had same interception rate but Vidic was busy making tackles and budeeing the ball all over the pitch.

Raumdeuter: Ferdinand was the better defender

You don play pon pon football.

patrickmuf:
After Germany opened the scoring, Dayo rushed to mention me, just checked and saw that VVD scored the equalizer...
Ramdeuter, you should be honest enough to also give me a mention.

Because as a Central defender your ability to stop goals not score is what actually matters

eph12:

Is Gomez better than the player Ferdinand was? Is TAA better than the player Rafael was at that time?

Provide the stats for when Vidic was at his peak 2007 to 2009

raumdeuter:


Because as a Central defender your ability to stop goals not score is what actually matters

Lol Hiero and Ramos are strikers then.

eph12:
Sergio Ramos tackle per match is far higher than VVD and LaPorte. What a terrible defender! I just checked up some defenders that people praise and either they have high tackle or clearance rate. There are no more great defenders. Wait LaPorte is the last man standing

now, this is one of those cases you should drop your eyes, sense and stats and listen to what one of the greatest has to say.


Raumdeuter is a joke. He likes ridiculing himself.

patrickmuf:
Lol Hiero and Ramos are strikers then.

Are they regarded as greats because of their defensive work or their goal scoring?

When we are at it, Lets also name Rogerio Ceni as the greatest goalkeeper because he scored a lot much more than Buffon and Kahn

Greatihex:
now, this is one of those cases you should drop your eyes, sense and stats and listen to what one of the greatest has to say.
Ramdeuter is a joke. He likes ridiculing himself.

What exactly are you trying to say here? I know you probably dont have an idea of what you are even on

raumdeuter:


Vidic organizes his defence very well only resort to tackles to cover his lack of pace and most times his tackles get him into trouble.

Maldini is probably the best defender of the past 40yrs

Laye squared. Maybe most versatile, but peak Baresi is the best pure defender i ever saw......probably that ever lived.

EarthXmetahuman:
follow the arguement.

People singled out vvd for being exceptional in liverpool defence just like people single out messi/ronaldo. that doesn't mean other defenders are not contributing to the defense liverpool is currently enjoying.

But as usual, because raumdeuter doesn't like to be wrong, he has to crap all over vvd and elivate some else while everyone goes crazy trying to prove someone that will never accept he is wrong wrong.

I followed the argument. You lot are always on an anti-raumdeuter agenda. Nobody singled VVD out for being exceptional - they said he is the solitary reason LFC got to a UCL final and the reason they are 2nd today. Nothing I have seen as facts or data supports this.

Of course, VVD is the best defender at Liverpool. But other things have changed with his presence namely a new GK and other rapidly improving defenders around him. The question then is, why attribute every success to VVD? What stat gives credence to this line of reasoning? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

odizeey:
bros did he improve the defense or not

Nobody said the defense did not improve or that he is inconsequential to the improvement. The question is, is he the sole reason? The answer is no, or at least not based on any data that has been presented here.

Arguments here sometimes dey be like TV series. Lol

Eruditor:


Nobody said the defense did not improve or that he is inconsequential to the improvement. The question is, is he the sole reason? The answer is no, or at least not based on any data that has been presented here.

There's a reason some people called Barca, Messi fc, despite other players doing their best. When someone is pivotal to your improvement, no two ways about it.

When you see people tipping vvd as not only the best in epl, but saying he's one of the cbs in the world, then you should know he wasn't being rated because of his height.

Redknapp: “A moment of ingenuity and leadership like this highlights Van Dijk's value to Jurgen Klopp's side. With every week that passes, the £75m man is proving he is worth every penny.”

Neville: Milner for Liverpool , who have been outstanding. Virgil van Dijk: outstanding. But Van Dijk – worryingly – has impressed me more than anybody. He’s just a fantastic central defender.

Riise: “The best CB [centre-back] in the world is Virgil van Dijk.

“The difference he has made since he came. So calm. Can play. Strong in the air.

“Power! Pure power! Big fan! And he wasn’t worth the money (!) I bet every club wished they had him now.”

Carragher: ‘I knew Van Dijk was a good player, but he is better than what I thought,’

‘We’ve always said Liverpool can’t win the Premier League because of their defence, but now they have Van Dijk, who I think is the best centre back in the Premier League.

‘I can’t think of a defender off the top of my head that is better. He’s the man to step into the positon Vincent Kompany has had over the last four seasons as that leader and colossus.

‘They are very similar as players – there is nothing they lack. When Kompany was at his best three years ago, I didn’t think there was a centre-back that was better than him.

‘Over the next three or four years, if Liverpool could win a league or a Champions League, I think Van Dijk has the potential to actually go down alongside Alan Hansen if we’re talking about Liverpool’s best ever teams – that’s how good he is and how good he can become.

Before VVD joined Liverpool, I'm not sure these guys above had rated any of their cbs like this. Sane minds know what it means, only fools will still argue with what is obvious.

Liverpool fans already have a special song for him, if they have for other defenders, sing it, you can use raumdeuter's head as drum.

raumdeuter:


Provide the stats for when Vidic was at his peak 2007 to 2009

He won EPL player of the year 2010/11 season

raumdeuter:


Because as a Central defender your ability to stop goals not score is what actually matters

But you were Hummels case during the world cup for missing goal scoring chances that would have kept Germany in the competition. Glad to know it doesn't matter anymore

airmark:


You don play pon pon football.

Which one be pon pon football again? Lol

eph12:

But you were Hummels case during the world cup for missing goal scoring chances that would have kept Germany in the competition. Glad to know it doesn't matter anymore

You forgot to add 'oponu' at the end of your statement.

eph12:

Which one be pon pon football again? Lol

Diggz will update you.

eph12:

Which one be pon pon football again? Lol

And you say you sabi warri? Go ask jemi7 about kpon kpon football club for warri..

airmark:


There's a reason some people called Barca, Messi fc, despite other players doing their best. When someone is pivotal to your improvement, no two ways about it.

When you see people tipping vvd as not only the best in epl, but saying he's one of the cbs in the world, then you should know he wasn't being rated because of his height.

Redknapp: “A moment of ingenuity and leadership like this highlights Van Dijk's value to Jurgen Klopp's side. With every week that passes, the £75m man is proving he is worth every penny.”

Neville: Milner for Liverpool , who have been outstanding. Virgil van Dijk: outstanding. But Van Dijk – worryingly – has impressed me more than anybody. He’s just a fantastic central defender.

Riise: “The best CB [centre-back] in the world is Virgil van Dijk.

“The difference he has made since he came. So calm. Can play. Strong in the air.

“Power! Pure power! Big fan! And he wasn’t worth the money (!) I bet every club wished they had him now.”

Carragher: ‘I knew Van Dijk was a good player, but he is better than what I thought,’

‘We’ve always said Liverpool can’t win the Premier League because of their defence, but now they have Van Dijk, who I think is the best centre back in the Premier League.

‘I can’t think of a defender off the top of my head that is better. He’s the man to step into the positon Vincent Kompany has had over the last four seasons as that leader and colossus.

‘They are very similar as players – there is nothing they lack. When Kompany was at his best three years ago, I didn’t think there was a centre-back that was better than him.

‘Over the next three or four years, if Liverpool could win a league or a Champions League, I think Van Dijk has the potential to actually go down alongside Alan Hansen if we’re talking about Liverpool’s best ever teams – that’s how good he is and how good he can become.

Before VVD joined Liverpool, I'm not sure these guys above had rated any of their cbs like this. Sane minds know what it means, only fools will still argue with what is obvious.

Liverpool fans already have a special song for him, if they have for other defenders, sing it, you can use raumdeuter's head as drum.

No surprise that former Liverpool players think their defender is the best in the world. They are entitled to that opinion. I am agnostic to who the best defender in the world is.

However, him being the best CB in the world, or being LFCs best player this season (which he isn't) is not equivalent to saying he is the sole reason for their UCL final or their current second position. If there is any data to back this up, bring it.

Raumdueter did not even say Laporte was better than VVD. He raised up Laporte to challenge what BlackMantra said about LFC conceding the least amount of goals and what not.

If you see him showing missteps and mistakes from VVD it is because he is trying to puncture that notion that VVD is the sole deliverer of LFC. VVD is their best defender - easily, so if they concede goals he should take the blame to the same degree that you people are dashing him all the plaudits.

As for Messi and Barca, we are now MessiFC I agree, but we were not MessiFC in 2008/09 or 2010/11 even though Messi was clearly our best player. Nobody can then claim "Messi is the sole reason Barca won the UCL in those years" it will be tantamount to ojoro conclusion. Simple.

diggz:


And you say you sabi warri? Go ask jemi7 about kpon kpon football club for warri..

Oh that one? E don tey na

raumdeuter:


Baresi was good but Maldini was better than him. Way better too

don't u dare blaspheme..
show one person who thought maldini was better than baresi...
way better?? you must be joking
maldini was more better as a LB than a a Cb...though he was still great as a Cb...
baresi was ahead of his time,was one of the pioneers of the high line...
Baresi was voted as Ac Milan's player of the 20th century

airmark:


You forgot to add 'oponu' at the end of your statement.



Diggz will update you.

Raumdeuter na my egbon. We may disagree on this but we agree on many other things eg Hazard