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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 11:35am On Nov 20, 2018 |
You using 'lads' is the coolest thing today! TayserMahiri: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 11:36am On Nov 20, 2018 |
You actually piqued my interest on matters South Africa and it appears you're going ahead with constitutional amendment to allow gov to forcefully take land without ANY compensation. I guess Malema madness has infected the whole country and now you're throwing both reason & caution out of the window. When you do that and actually start targetting white owned farms & mines - we won't have to wait for 15yrs - I think you'll go the Zim way so fast. But it appears there are no brakes now. The problem with South Africa - is that black leadership & populace - general got a historical bad deal in critical sectors including education - so it expect the country will wobble along until it really invest in black education. You probably should have studied kenya case...which faced similar challenges but was generally a success. White farmers inflated the cost but we paid anyway - but Britain donated part of the purchase money, This was the situation as we gained independence. The White Highlands for the settlers was equivalent to three Million hectares of which over have was high potential arable land suitable for cash crop farming – coffee, tea and sugar plantations. The rest was suited for large scale livestock farming and other purposes. There were over 3600 farms and land holding sizes ranged from 400 to over 800 hectares although in the pastoral half one could find holdings of more than 20,000 hectares. Estimates show that the White Highlands constituted about 21,000 of Kenya’s 356,000 square-kilometre area (Leo, 1989) or about six percent of Kenya’s land. This was not small considering that 68 per cent of Kenya’s land is remote and unsuited for farming. This implies therefore that the Highlands – or 3600 farms and by implication families - occupied six per cent of the remaining 32 % of arable land. The remaining 26 per cent of the land was shared by about six million Africans. And the solution - One Million Acre Scheme - This was funded by loan and grants from World Bank, British and Germans. The white farmers were paid whatever they were asking (lot of money) and new farmers were expected to pay the loan back after many years. http://siteresources.worldbank.org/RPDLPROGRAM/Resources/459596-1168010635604/WBI-KenyaLandReform-WorkshopVersion.pdf South Africa seem to have chosen the Zimbwabwe way - LAND SEIZURE through constitution - which would still send investors and farmers fleeing - and sanctions possibly coming from Trump for sure. As regard to our poverty - just know - nobody living in former white highlands has starve or be hungry - the guys starving are living in semi arid and arid areas that whites didn't too settled on. Lionessza6: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:40am On Nov 20, 2018 |
Lionessza6: He tweeted it YAWA! Follow this link straight to Donald's twitter. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032454567152246785 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:45am On Nov 20, 2018 |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 11:46am On Nov 20, 2018 |
Interesting. I'll check the data. To reach to kenya level - you have to be 4 times BETTER OR BIGGER OR LARGER etc. To TRASH kenya then you've got be 5 times or more - just like South Africa trashes kenya. For example if Kenya has 28B - you need to have about 140-150B - to just be on the same level. To trash Kenya - you need to be at 200B plus. Kindly find us the South Africa figures. I am pretty sure they trashed us. I know such basic concepts are very complex for Nigerians who got possibly the worst education (another service sector). forgiveness: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 11:51am On Nov 20, 2018 |
rvp2018: Nigeria trashed Kenya in Retail sector which comprises FMCG. EOD ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 11:53am On Nov 20, 2018 |
Kenya trashed Nigeria in retail sector per capita as per 2017 figures. Is that how your country ended being such a mess - by comparing itself with tiny Ghana. forgiveness: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 11:53am On Nov 20, 2018 |
TayserMahiri: LMFAO. The lottery was suggested by Trevor Noah ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 4kDdullard: 11:53am On Nov 20, 2018 |
Jonraid:slave
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 11:55am On Nov 20, 2018 |
rvp2018: Where is your source? I forgot, it's from your anus. Bhuhahahaha! Next! ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 11:57am On Nov 20, 2018 |
When they just begin to take those farms,whether by diplomacy or force.The first thing is that the stock exchange market activities would fall down like a house of cards within a few minutes.Investors are very sensitive to a country's stability.Huge monies would later be sucked off from the bank coffers of the country as the wealthy stash their cash in safe havens.No one would risk it keeping his/her money when things are in mayhem.That's how things goes,I hope this won't be the scenario in SA! I think they'll engage with a consultancy firm with a reputable experience in such matters so as to not make things more murkier! An economy can fall within days,literally! |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 11:58am On Nov 20, 2018 |
Is that the best you could have come up with? 4kDdullard: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:58am On Nov 20, 2018 |
4kDdullard:if boko haram was in Kenya I wonder what those slaves would hav been through 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2018: 11:59am On Nov 20, 2018 |
I used your source and factored the population of each country. Base insult is no substitute for facts. We are here to school you pro-bono as our duty to the poor Giant mess of Africa. forgiveness: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ednited(f): 12:01pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
TayserMahiri: If you have to know, I have ended my conversation with that guy. You may need points to defend your self. . . but it's not this way. You can't bring up God's work to attack anyone. Why don't you defend yourself by showing that you Kenyans are better in your work not by what God has given you naturally. You may have wanted to attack Nigerians but you attacked Africans as a whole. Why are you still talking about high standards, you are mentioning it again. No one is inferior here. Stop the low standard high standard thing. It isn't necessary. I love your self confidence and self esteem but sometimes the way you are looking at yourself if going the wrong direction. And also you still think am coming after Kenya and supporting others. I have no issue with nationality. Why won't you come from mars? If you are saying the right thing I will support you |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ednited(f): 12:05pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
tlann: wow, now I know. I've been asking about tribes in Kenya but no one passed me the info |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 12:07pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
Look at Kenya's Healcare system. 1 doctor to 5000 patients.(see snapshot 3) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Nigeria has a ratio of 1 doctor to 2000 patients yet we lead all in Africa. ![]() In terms of Health care, Nigeria is ahead once again. I will still do the Real Estate sector. Busy now. ![]() 1 Like
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 12:08pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
rvp2018: Be deceiving yourself. Next! ![]() ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 4kDdullard: 12:09pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
Jonraid:e pain am enter bone
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:10pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 12:12pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
‘A flawed metric’ “Unfortunately, [the doctor-to-population ratio] is a flawed metric,” The ratio doesn’t reflect the geographical spread of doctors or whether they are in private of public practice. And not all doctors are able to provide the same service, as some may be specialists. forgiveness: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 12:13pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
rvp2018: Hahahaha , here we go again. How many of the people in south African leadership are not well educated ? . What is the percentage of the populace that is illiterate and uneducated compared to black Kenyans?. We need to invest on education? ![]() Lol, I said good luck with overtaking us , I'm guessing that will be happening in like 2 years or so now . Quote me when that finally happens ![]() So the Kenyans who are living under extreme poverty are only those living in semi- arid regions ? Really? Reading the article below, I really don't like this kind of solution . Kenya’s Attorney General told the International Criminal Court in July this year that there were no records to indicate that President Uhuru Kenyatta owned any land in the country, his comments offered a reflection of the mysterious nature of landownership in Kenya. It is well known that the family of Kenya’s First President, Jomo Kenyatta, father to the current President, owns large tracts of the most productive land particularly in Central Kenya and at the Coast. Forbes Magazine placed the total land owned by Kenyatta and his family at 500,000 acres of prime land spread across the country. A survey 2014 found that 50% of Kenya’s wealth is in the hands of political families, with the ownership of land providing the core of this wealth. The skewed ownership of land is dire in a country where only 17% of the land is arable, with the rest mostly arid and semi arid. The Kenya Land Alliance says that more than 65% of this productive land in Kenya is in the hands of only 20% of the population. The chaotic nature of land records in Kenya obviously suits the political and business elite who would like to maintain secrecy over their ownership of the country’s land. In recent audit, The Lands Ministry discovered that 1.3 million files were lost, misplaced or misfiled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ComOUAPFYDo Any hope that the enactment of new laws would solve what Kenyans have come to call the “land question” has been replaced by disappointment, even frustration by the lack of progress and constant finger pointing amongst those entrusted with the job of cleaning up the mess that goes back to the country’s colonial period. Land is an emotive issue in Kenya. The fight for independence was based on the struggle to revert ownership of land from the colonialists back to the Africans. Vast arable land in the Rift Valley was designated as the White Highlands, reserved for European settlers while the indigenous communities were moved out. The authority to allocate Crown Land was vested in the colonial Governor and he issued grants of leases for 999 years to the European settler community. It is the same allocation by direct grant that facilitated the irregular allocation of pubic land after Independence. In 1963 a total of 7.5 million acres or half of the agricultural land in Kenya was in settler hands, with individual farmers like Lord Delamere reported to possess as much as 1 million acres. The Africanization of the White Highlands, areas previously reserved for European settlement, was carried out through the Million-Acre Scheme funded by the British government and the World Bank, to facilitate the orderly transfer of ownership of farms owned by settlers who wanted to leave after independence. The new African political class and home guards that had made fortunes by collaborating with the colonial government bought thousands of acres from the departing Europeans denying the majority of Kenyans the right to own land. The President widely abused his powers as trustee of public land to become a large landowner himself. The illegal allocation of land by the first Kenyatta and Moi governments is well documented in a report of the Commission of Inquiry into the Illegal/Irregular Allocation of Public Land popularly known as the Ndungu Report. Lawyer Paul Ndungu, who released the report in December 2004, reveals the extent to which land was targeted as a tool for political patronage particularly in 1990s. During this period when the international scrutiny was focused on economic and political reform, land acquired particular significance as a bargaining tool for the political class desperate to hang on to power amid the turbulence of multiparty politics. No land was spared during this spree of allocations of public land, which came to be known as “Land grabbing”. Even protected lands as forests, wetlands, road reserves and even cemeteries were dished out as political reward. On the Coast, beach plots on the Indian Ocean coastline were issued in the 1970s and 80s to political and business elites from outside the region. The land grabbing by the elite has rendered millions of coastal people landless or squatters in their own land. 4th right: Lord Dalamere, the 3rd Baron Delamere, in 1926. The Happy Valley set was a group of British and Anglo-Irish aristocrats and adventurers who settled in the Happy Valley region of the Wanjohi Valley, near the Aberdare mountain range, in the colonies of Kenya and Uganda between the 1920s and the 1940s. More than 50 years after independence there is still a significant amount of prime Kenyan land in foreign hands. 4th right: Lord Dalamere, the 3rd Baron Delamere, in 1926. The Happy Valley set was a group of British and Anglo-Irish aristocrats and adventurers who settled in the Happy Valley region of the Wanjohi Valley, near the Aberdare mountain range, in the colonies of Kenya and Uganda between the 1920s and the 1940s. More than 50 years after independence there is still a significant amount of prime Kenyan land in foreign hands. Foreign ownership The 2010 constitution prevents foreigners from owning land and also reduces the period for which foreigners can lease land. But as Kenyans have come to find out implementing these provisions are complicated by the ambiguous nature of the law and deliberate moves by the political and landed class to frustrate the process. More than 50 years after independence, there is still a significant amount of prime land in foreign hands, especially in the coastal region and new regulations may finally reveal just how much of this land owned by non Kenyans. The National Land Commission has found itself in a muddle in its attempts to regularize land ownership by demanding that all foreign landowners align their leases with the provisions of the Constitution. One of the tasks of the Commission is to ensure that all the 999-year leases instituted during the colonial period are converted into shorter leases of 99 years. Establishing who a foreign landowner is remains a challenge because many such people own property in the country jointly with Kenyans. The new law also allows dual citizenship further confusing an already murky situation. While the new law has safeguards against the secret allocation of public land by public officials, it has created what land policy analyst Ibrahim Mwathane calls a “mongrel”. The National Land Commission has the mandate to manage public land on behalf of national and county governments while the Minister still retains power over the registers of all public, private and community land in Kenya. The audit of all stolen public land can only be done effectively by whoever runs the land registries, in this case, the Minister. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 4kDdullard: 12:13pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
forgiveness:u dey mind the mumu illiterate slave wey dey dish out unsubstantiated figures at will. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 12:14pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
TayserMahiri: So when is he invading us ? So we can start preparing to be refugees in Kenya? ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:15pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
Lionessza6: Damn. Seems I have the same sense of humor as Trevor. I never watched that episode for real. Where have they gone? Thats why things are slowing down. There might be capital flight going on without you knowing. Ramaphosa should now tighten your immigration system and order all your banks to deny any largescale withdrawals/transfers from the whites. They must stay there and witness this worst of nightmares. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:15pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
ednited:now you know you should tell me about ethiopian tribes i only know of oromo somali neur amhara gabbra borana some of which we share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ednited(f): 12:19pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
tlann: We have more than 80 tribes, Major ones (in population) are Oromo Amhara Tigray Debub (southerns) Somali Afar Gambler Benishangul Gumuz Borena people are still Oromos. Oromos have the biggest population here |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 12:23pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
bantudra:we are not gays to go Bleep ourselves Anyway, Nigeria hasn't played any can of important role in Africa it won't be bad if you guys leave You're dents on Africans 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jonraid(m): 12:24pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
Even though there is the 'urban poor' case.Counties in Northern Kenya are the ones leading in poverty rates(we ought to do better here!).Well,I didn't know being a pastoralist with like 500 heads of goats and cows means you are poor.But let's leave it at that.It's not how much you spend in education that makes the difference,it's how you do your things.It looks like we might school you a bit when it comes to ironing up your education sector.There are some few lessons you can learn from us! https://www.biznews.com/africa/2018/03/05/south-africa-kenya-education-schooling https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Kenya/South-Africa/Education Lionessza6: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 12:25pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
bantudra:you seem to think Every Ghanaian is Asante ![]() ![]() ![]() ANYWAY tribalism is not importat in GHANA 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:26pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
ednited: Dont take it too seriously. I actually feel like you completely misunderstood everything I tried to explain in my previous post. I've come to realize that there is a very big difference in how we view, express, process, and interpret each others posts here (Africans from different countries). What I tried to say is that the reason you were correcting me is because you feel I as a Kenyan can be corrected as opposed to a Nigerian whom, for whatever reason, you think cannot be corrected. I used the word 'standard' here. How I wish there was an Amharic word to express that point in my head. The only one that comes to mind is selamawit. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 12:28pm On Nov 20, 2018 |
TayserMahiri: Capital flight was the first focus of the Ramaphosa administration . I was making a joke about the whites being gone , how many of them can afford a flight to Zimbabwe these days not to mention Australia . The only ones who can run off are the elites and the ones with critical skills . Braam from next door ain't going nowhere, we are going to enjoy this change together , in Nigerian accent ![]() |
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