Life; everything related to it is meaningless and of no value except that which we ascribe it. From language, culture, religion, morals, ethics, politics, etc. They're all meaningless. The shame or guilt we feel whenever we've broken some moral, religious, social or cultural code is based on the established rules and principles that revolve around these elements of the life and the world we live in, the world we've created, the world which we've known from birth. Same also applies to the guilt and shame we feel whenever we've committed some terrible social or grammatical blunder but sometimes we just laugh it off or simply wave it aside because at the end of the day, it means nothing, absolutely nothing. If you know, you know.

In as as much as religion like language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions were made by man for the benefit as well the advancement of a peaceful and blissful stay of mankind here on earth, it, religion has its flaws, terrorism probably it's most fatal. It's just like everything else created by man supposedly for the good of his specie: From drugs, to gadgets and other technological advancements, they all have their side effects. Religion no doubt has its many negative effects on our humanity but the lack of it in my unhinged opinion is much more; suicide and depression being the worst of them all.

BTW, who here has seen the TV series "The Good Place"? Some hilarious afterlife cock and bullshit story. Very hilarious.

Ask the Chinese and Japanese if religion is used to help the society....

Laws and punishment
Good deeds and compensation

Those things guide the societies of men.

What about the human conscience?

I know that I wouldn't kill or steal from someone not because of any moral, religious or social code but because my conscience would not allow it.

This for me is inbuilt and not influenced by any external factor. What do you make of that?

bobowaja:
Ask the Chinese and Japanese if religion is used to help the society....

Laws and punishment
Good deeds and compensation

Those things guide the societies of men.

There you again seeing the big picture but not seeing the bigger picture. The intellectual and psychological strength of the average Japanese and Chinese in comparison to that of the average African is not the same. These societies are filled with more persons of very sophisticated intellectual and psychological strength and prowess compared to the African society. This fact is made manifest not only in their inventions in natural and applied sciences for the material and immaterial advancement of their societies. The result of the clear mental and psychological superiority of the persons that inhabit these societies compared to that of the African society is also made manifest in their immaterial culture, arts, music, movies, language, value system, their innate ability to separate reason and rationality from emotions etc.

The mentally and psychologically weak (with which the African continent is filled) has the propensity to hold on to religious dogmas in other to truly live and not just survive. Attempting to take religion from the average African is like attempting to take a bone from a dog, a candy from a child. It's bound to end badly. He/she just cannot handle it.

francis247:
Life; everything related to it is meaningless and of no value except that which we ascribe it.
From language, culture, religion, morals, ethics, politics, etc.
They're all meaningless. The shame or guilt we feel whenever we've broken some moral, religious, social or cultural code is based on the established rules and principles that revolve around these elements of the life and the world we live in, the world we've created, the world which we've known from birth.
Same also applies to the guilt and shame we feel whenever we've committed some terrible social or grammatical blunder but sometimes we just laugh it off or simply wave it aside because at the end of the day, it means nothing, absolutely nothing. If you know, you know.

In as as much as religion like language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions were made by man for the benefit as well the advancement of a peaceful and blissful stay of mankind here on earth, it, religion has its flaws, terrorism probably it's most fatal. It's just like everything else created by man supposedly for the good of his specie: From drugs, to gadgets and other technological advancements, they all have their side effects.
Religion no doubt has its many negative effects on our humanity but the lack of it in my unhinged opinion is much more; suicide and depression being the worst of them all.

BTW, who here has seen the TV series "The Good Place"?
Some hilarious afterlife cock and bullshit story. Very hilarious.

Did you ever get to watch "Joan of Arcadia"?

10:46 Who are you?
I've known you since before you're born
I'm going to ask you one more time
I AM God
You what?
God
Dont ever, talk to me, again

How did I beat that kid at chess?
He was using logic, you werent

Joan of Arcadia
cc Ranchhoddas, budaatum, you both & francis247 can give thanks later
Dont forget to click on to 102
and the rest to watch the whole series

MuttleyLaff:
Did you ever get to watch "Joan of Arcadia"?

10:46 Who are you?
I've known you since before you're born
I'm going to ask you one more time
I AM God
You what?
God
Dont ever, talk to me, again

How did I beat that kid at chess?
He was using logic, you werent

Joan of Arcadia
cc Ranchhoddas, budaatum, you both & francis247 can give thanks later
Dont forget to click on to 102
and the rest to watch the whole series

Say what?

In other to fully and much better criticize or condemn an established order, a setup, a system, a belief, an ideology, etc. one must act in a manner that isn't just seemingly but absolutely different from it.

To better stir the contents of a pot, you must be outside and not inside the pot. How can you be right inside a pot and stir its contents and expect to get the much desired result? You'll only get carried away and eventually lost along with that which you're stiring. You'll end up condemning yourself alongside that which you condemn. One cannot directly see face to face the outsides of a structure while one is inside of it.

While Atheists may arguably be passing across a reasonable and sensible message, same cannot be said of the manner in which they're going about it. It frankly borders strongly on the line of irrationality and astute impracticality. It is high time they came to terms with this fact if truly they're as intelligence and most importantly as wise as they claim. To permit intelligence to mount the steering wheel while wisdom merely sits by and watches is nothing short of a grave error.

francis247:
Say what?

You talked about the TV series "The Good Place"
so I asked, did you get to watch "Joan of Arcadia"?

MuttleyLaff:
You talked about the TV series "The Good Place"
so I asked, did you get to watch "Joan of Arcadia"?

Got what you what you first wrote now. No I haven't. Will do take a look at it.

francis247:
Got what you what you first wrote now. No I haven't. Will do take a look at it.

Please because if you enjoyed and liked the "The Good Place" TV series, then you'll equally, if not more, find Joan of Arcadia right up your alley

francis247:
Got what you what you first wrote now. No I haven't. Will do take a look at it.

Please because if you enjoyed and liked the "The Good Place" TV series, then you'll equally, if not more, find Joan of Arcadia right up your alley.

Hello MuttleyLaff. How are you, bro? Rarely see you and DoctorAlien anywhere here these days. Or is it I that am rarely here?

I hope you are well, my brother.

Ihedinobi3:
Hello MuttleyLaff.
How are you, bro?
Rarely see you and DoctorAlien anywhere here these days.
Or is it I that am rarely here?

I hope you are well, my brother.

We thank Abba for His blessing, favour, grace and mercies

Real brethren are always close even if they rarely see other.
I dont have check if you are well, as I know you are because I follow each and every remark you post

Did you, when it came out, get to watch "Joan of Arcadia"?

Ranchhoddas:
What about the human conscience?

I know that I wouldn't kill or steal from someone not because of any moral, religious or social code but because my conscience would not allow it.

This for me is inbuilt and not influenced by any external factor. What do you make of that?

True words. The spirit is no more but our intellect; the soul our conscience, our moral compass.

francis247:
True words.
The spirit is no more
but our intellect; the soul our conscience, our moral compass.

Someone like you, as with most familiar with driving a car or riding a motor-cycle
know how a car's flat or dead battery is brought back to life
and/or know how a motor cycle thats being lying around or standing about for months/years is brought back to life

Ihedinobi3:
Hello MuttleyLaff. How are you, bro? Rarely see you and Doctor Alien anywhere here these days. Or is it I that am rarely here?

I hope you are well, my brother.

Hello bro! How are you doing?

Having other things to do, I don't come here frequently. This section can be tiring too. You know, having to repeat things you've said over and over again.

francis247:
Life; everything related to it is meaningless and of no value except that which we ascribe it. From language, culture, religion, morals, ethics, politics, etc. They're all meaningless. The shame or guilt we feel whenever we've broken some moral, religious, social or cultural code is based on the established rules and principles that revolve around these elements of the life and the world we live in, the world we've created, the world which we've known from birth. Same also applies to the guilt and shame we feel whenever we've committed some terrible social or grammatical blunder but sometimes we just laugh it off or simply wave it aside because at the end of the day, it means nothing, absolutely nothing. If you know, you know.

In as as much as religion like language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions were made by man for the benefit as well the advancement of a peaceful and blissful stay of mankind here on earth, it, religion has its flaws, terrorism probably it's most fatal. It's just like everything else created by man supposedly for the good of his specie: From drugs, to gadgets and other technological advancements, they all have their side effects. Religion no doubt has its many negative effects on our humanity but the lack of it in my unhinged opinion is much more; suicide and depression being the worst of them all.

BTW, who here has seen the TV series "The Good Place"? Some hilarious afterlife cock and bullshit story. Very hilarious.

The question here is; When you say "meaningless" what are you implying?

Define "meaningless"

johnydon22:


The question here is; When you say "meaningless" what are you implying?

Define "meaningless"

Define Meaning?


Is meaning not just a Reference? Events refer to other events in some way or the other therefore we can say that event A means event B.

e.g. There are puddles of water on the ground. ... that means that it must have rained last night.

The quest for meaning is just based on the believe that events are not isolated by connected to other events. And the more the various events in our lives are connected the more meaningful life is and the more content we are about life.

So we have a basic need to connect events in life. That is our quest for Meaning.

DoctorAlien:
Hello bro!
How are you doing?

Having other things to do, I don't come here frequently.
This section can be tiring too.
You know, having to repeat things you've said over and over again.

It is by His grace,
it is a labour of love, sometimes a tinge of the occasional tough love thrown in

I have posts I started replying to, but stayed unfinished.
I might go back to them. If not they stay indefinitely on the back burner, afterall, c'est la vie

You come in here, not necessarily choosing your battles wisely
but to choose a stand and then express the point of view.
It can be like taking people along with you climbing "mountains",
and reassuring them on the way, that the view from the top is exhilarating and worth the struggle

DoctorAlien have you unlimited data bandwidth or near to that?
Have you ever watched the "Joan of Arcadia" CBS TV series?

Meaning is related to PURPOSE

PastorAIO:


Define Meaning?

Nope. Meaningless

Is meaning not just a Reference? Events refer to other events in some way or the other therefore we can say that event A means event B.

e.g. There are puddles of water on the ground. ... that means that it must have rained last night.

The quest for meaning is just based on the believe that events are not isolated by connected to other events. And the more the various events in our lives are connected the more meaningful life is and the more content we are about life.

So we have a basic need to connect events in life. That is our quest for Meaning.

Even though I think the context of your definition is not even close to the context which "meaningless" is used in theOP. Ok though.

So, when the OP said everything is meaningless what does that imply?

johnydon22:


Even though I think the context of your definition is not even close to the context which "meaningless" is used in theOP. Ok though.

So, when the OP said everything is meaningless what does that imply?

He might mean (oops) a state of alienation. A disconnection between the activities that he is engaged in and his inner emotional states and his aspirations.

johnydon22:


Nope. Meaningless

Doesn't the definition of one automatically define the other?

PastorAIO:


Doesn't the definition of one automatically define the other?

Nope

PastorAIO:


He might mean (oops) a state of alienation. A disconnection between the activities that he is engaged in and his inner emotional states and his aspirations.

Well, I will wait for him to tell me. It is one thing to throw words around, clever English is easy. But the subtle implications of these clever words is the hard part and that is where our arguments are tested.

johnydon22:
Nope

Please enlighten me.

johnydon22:


The question here is; When you say "meaningless" what are you implying?

Define "meaningless"

Meaningless: Useless, worthless, senseless, of zero value.

MuttleyLaff:
We thank Abba for His blessing, favour, grace and mercies

Real brethren are always close even if they rarely see other.
I dont have check if you are well, as I know you are because I follow each and every remark you post

Did you, when it came out, get to watch "Joan of Arcadia"?

Yes, He is always overwhelmingly generous toward us His Children. It is very good to hear that you are well, my friend. And very encouraging news to know that you pay such close attention to my posts. It is a joy to me. Thank you for your very kind words..

As for Joan of Arcadia, I only just heard of it from you. I have so much to do and so little time so I don't often pay attention to movies and all that. Additionally, I'm very wary of what they say or teach or assume.

DoctorAlien:

Hello bro! How are you doing?

Having other things to do, I don't come here frequently. This section can be tiring too. You know, having to repeat things you've said over and over again.

I am fine, dear brother. It's good to see that you are well and busy.

You are exactly right about the section. It does get old quite easily. For my part, since my return, I made apologetics an opportunistic activity: only such discussions as possess the potential for producing Bible teaching that would be useful to fellow believers or encouragement in some form to them interest me. So, it is a means to an end and so far it has worked quite well.

Ihedinobi3:
[/size]Yes, He is always overwhelmingly generous toward us His Children. It is very good to hear that you are well, my friend. And very encouraging news to know that you pay such close attention to my posts. It is a joy to me. Thank you for your very kind words
As for Joan of Arcadia, I only just heard of it from you.
I have so much to do and so little time so I don't often pay attention to movies and all that. Additionally, I'm very wary of what they say or teach or assume.
I am fine, dear brother. It's good to see that you are well and busy.

You are exactly right about the section. It does get old quite easily. For my part, since my return, I made apologetics an opportunistic activity: only such discussions as possess the potential for producing Bible teaching that would be useful to fellow believers or encouragement in some form to them interest me. So, it is a means to an end and so far it has worked quite well.

https://www./video/x4zoguc

It's not a movie, it actually is a foreign TV series that was popular in the 90s
I have again above pasted a link to watch the entire series from
Try watch the first one
and come back to inform what your impression is.

I will ask for forgiveness, if you dont get hooked after watching 101.
I earlier posted snippets of the conservations in the series

MuttleyLaff:
https://www./video/x4zoguc

It's not a movie, it actually is a foreign TV series that was popular in the 90s
I have again above pasted a link to watch the entire series from
Try watch the first one
and come back to inform what your impression is.

I will ask for forgiveness, if you dont get hooked after watching 101.
I earlier posted snippets of the conservations in the series

It's precisely for fear of getting hooked that I make a point of avoiding these things, my friend. That is, even if I wasn't concerned about their relative remoteness from the Truth.

I tried your link though but it didn't work. I'll just see the synopsis and get an idea of what it is about.

Ihedinobi3:
It's precisely for fear of getting hooked that I make a point of avoiding these things, my friend.
That is, even if I wasn't concerned about their relative remoteness from the Truth.

I tried your link though but it didn't work. I'll just see the synopsis and get an idea of what it is about.

[img]https://s2/images/Joan.png[/img]

I'll fix the issue with the link later, if I can.
The god of nairaland seemingly has put a stop against posting dailymotion links in here.

You'll love it,
I used to religiously watch it when it was then aired back in the day but to everyones chagrin CBS all of a sudden stopped it.

Watch this 101 pilot
and share what you thought of it

Type https://www DOT dailymotion DOT com/video/x4zoguc ihedinobi3 to get the link.

Make the DOT be fullstop . and leave no spaces.

This is a workaround to it being stopped by the god of nairaland from displaying correctly by being truncated
dailymotion as a web link is blacklisted from showing in post

MuttleyLaff:
It is by His grace,
it is a labour of love, sometimes a tinge of the occasional tough love thrown in

I have posts I started replying to, but stayed unfinished.
I might go back to them. If not they stay indefinitely on the back burner, afterall, c'est la vie

You come in here, not necessarily choosing your battles wisely
but to choose a stand and then express the point of view.
It can be like taking people along with you climbing "mountains",
and reassuring them on the way, that the view from the top is exhilarating and worth the struggle

Doctor Alien have you unlimited data bandwidth or near to that?
Have you ever watched the "Joan of Arcadia" CBS TV series?

You described it perfectly it can really be like taking people along with you climbing mountains. Still, as a soldier of Christ, I would do my best to seize any opportunity to demolish unfounded arguments against the Biblical Christian faith.

When I was younger, I watched a movie entitled " Joan of the Arc". The main character was a woman. Is that the same movie?

Ihedinobi3:

I am fine, dear brother. It's good to see that you are well and busy.

You are exactly right about the section. It does get old quite easily. For my part, since my return, I made apologetics an opportunistic activity: only such discussions as possess the potential for producing Bible teaching that would be useful to fellow believers or encouragement in some form to them interest me. So, it is a means to an end and so far it has worked quite well.

You're right. Apologetics should be embarked upon here when we see that there is a potential for it to produce meaningful discussions with people who are interested in learning, not people who came to waste time and mock.

You're doing well brother.