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Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 1:12pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
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Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by johnydon22(m): 2:34pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
francis247: How do you determine the value, use of something? |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 4:08pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
johnydon22:Its intrinsic with its purpose |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by DoctorAlien(m): 4:34pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Okay. I'll try to check that out. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by johnydon22(m): 4:37pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:how is purpose derived? |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 4:56pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
DoctorAlien:I prefer that you do than try. johnydon22:In many and diverse ways is purpose derived. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 6:47pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
johnydon22:There is no yardstick for measuring or determining the use of something. What is useful to one is useless to another, what is of value to one is of no value to another. One man's nothing is another man's everything. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by johnydon22(m): 6:49pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
francis247: So what yardstick led to your absolute statement on the meaninglessness of life? 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by johnydon22(m): 6:50pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: How though? |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 7:19pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
johnydon22:Recall I mentioned that meaning is related to PURPOSE and now you're asking how purpose is derived Purpose, of course, is derived through and/or by discovery, through and/or by information, through and/or by invention, through and/or by delusion, through and/or by understanding, through and/or by definition, through and/or by assumption, through and/or by realisation, through and/or by etcetera and the list of indicators goes on 1 Like |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 8:32pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
johnydon22:I mean there is no specific, correct or established yardstick for measuring or determining the usefulness or otherwise of something. Our thoughts, words and actions are solely based on our feelings, our wants, our desires which in turn is based on that which is unknown and unexplainable. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by johnydon22(m): 10:00pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
francis247: So summarily, your assertion that "life is meaningless" is at best without absolute basis therefore arbitrary at best. Yes? 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 10:28pm On Nov 27, 2018 |
johnydon22:What our friend doesnt want to acknowledge is that the person famous for that "life is meaningless" remark, said it, after being woke. Apparently there is more to life than seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines and there is a conclusion of the whole matter of life. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by PastorAIO: 12:43am On Nov 28, 2018 |
johnydon22: francis247: Perhaps you ought to read the OP with more clarity, Johnydon22. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by PastorAIO: 12:51am On Nov 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Purpose only confers some aspects of meaning. Other modes Meaning can be found without purpose. But as regards the Purpose part of Meaning, your explanation here is excellent. How we arrive at Purpose has no direct bearing on what the OP is getting at, however once we have Purpose, real or delusional, well thought out or muddled, however we arrive at Purpose, (and we mostly have some purpose or the other in mind), we will subsequently see meanings in life derived from it. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by johnydon22(m): 12:51am On Nov 28, 2018 |
PastorAIO: Oh I did. My question to the OP wasn't on our imposition of meaning to life and everything. Rather a challenge to the fundamental premise of the OP which is "life is meaningless by default except that which we ascribe" so I am trying to ascertain the benchmark for meaning implied by the OP. Maybe read my questions with more clarity. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by PastorAIO: 12:55am On Nov 28, 2018 |
johnydon22: Ouch! Menh, nor be pissing contest o! I don't think that the OP said "life is meaningless by default" anywhere. Please correct me if I'm wrong. There is a perhaps a chance that you read that into what he was saying that that is why we are at odds. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by johnydon22(m): 12:57am On Nov 28, 2018 |
PastorAIO:My description of the premise was not a verbatim quote.
Life; everything related to it is meaningless and of no value except that which we ascribe it. This very opening statement that you brought actually demonstrates this premise clearly enough. hence; "Rather a challenge to the fundamental premise of the OP which is "life is meaningless by default except that which we ascribe" so I am trying to ascertain the benchmark for meaning implied by the OP" |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by PastorAIO: 12:59am On Nov 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Every depressed guy since the beginning of Homo Sapiens sapiens has been saying that. Who is this famous Depressive personality? 1 Like |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by PastorAIO: 1:00am On Nov 28, 2018 |
johnydon22: Okay, that's how you understood what he wrote. I understood it differently. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'll accept that. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 1:26am On Nov 28, 2018 |
PastorAIO:I quite without demur concur with the last sentence actually. PastorAIO:Jedidiah, the wisest man who ever lived, did. Not depressive but woke. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by PastorAIO: 1:40am On Nov 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: I can see how jedijedi can lead to such a statement. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 1:56am On Nov 28, 2018 |
PastorAIO:I can see how with a statement such as this, you are exaggerating |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 4:04am On Nov 28, 2018 |
johnydon22:Yes, exactly. My assertion that life is meaningless is without absolute basis because life itself is without basis whatsoever and the blocks of it's foundation is rooted in arbitrariness. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 4:18am On Nov 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:There is nothing to life, nothing, absolutely NOTHING except for the things which we input and infuse into it. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 4:50am On Nov 28, 2018 |
johnydon22:There is no benchmark for meaning as I earlier implied so there is therefore no need trying to ascertain it. There is no doubt that from the literal point of view, the value of a thing is determined by its price, its cost, the cost of acquiring the said thing and that life itself can no doubt be said to be of immeasurable and inestimable value. But this isn't the angle from which the subject matter of life is examined here, no. It is examined here from the angle of meaninglessness, uselessness, worthlessness because this is the truest, most ultimate and profoundest definition of life. It all depends on the angle from which one looks at it, life and this brings us back to the assertion that life is meaningless except for that which we ascribe to it. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 8:22am On Nov 28, 2018 |
francis247:Not all is doom and gloom. Reverence is the duty of all men, and reverence invites revelation. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by johnydon22(m): 10:19am On Nov 28, 2018 |
francis247:If there is no benchmark then there Is no basis for your premise that life is meaningless. Innit?
In what way are these things measured, what benchmark determines this? See, it is very difficult for you to explain that because you have made an absolute statement that you agreed was not formed from an objective basis. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by johnydon22(m): 10:23am On Nov 28, 2018 |
francis247: Actually those two context are different. If your assertion is without absolute basis then it cannot be trusted or said to rightly describe the subject it describes. Don't misunderstand the implication of a sentence being baseless. It simply means it has no ground, its description doesn't have a valid ground to describe the subject. Therefore, your assertion possesses no valid ground if it has no basis and cannot be said to have made a valid description as regards life. Until you establish this ground, that remark is not as valid as you believe. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 11:18am On Nov 28, 2018 |
johnydon22:Yes, exactly. There is no basis whatsoever for my premise that life is meaningless. johnydon22: There is no way in which these things are/can be measured, there's no benchmark whatsoever for determining them. johnydon22:No. It is not difficult for me to explain my assertion because as a matter of fact, the basis for my assertion is unexplainable. And yes, I have made an absolute statement that is not formed from an objective but a subjective basis because man, in as much as he is obligated to to be an objective being is first and foremost a subjective being. We all have our wants, feelings, desires and interests which vary to varying degrees and constitute the basis for all conflicts, clashes and crisis. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by PastorAIO: 11:18am On Nov 28, 2018 |
Perspectivism |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 11:34am On Nov 28, 2018 |
johnydon22:We're saying the same thing. You from the objective angle and I from the subjective angle. My assertion like life is meaningless, baseless and devoid of validity. |
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