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Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 11:36am On Nov 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:If I live my life mainly and essentially out of duty, I do not live even though I'm alive. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by johnydon22(m): 11:46am On Nov 28, 2018 |
francis247:so in what way did you arrive at that conclusion.
Therefore you assertion on the meaningless of life is not objectively true but a subjective opinion. Good, this where I wanted us to arrive. Nice talking to you. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by PastorAIO: 12:07pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
Is there a system of reasoning that is not somewhere rooted in a paradox? |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by PastorAIO: 12:13pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
francis247: May I suggest that when you say that you 'ascribe' meaning to life that in actual fact it is not an act of volition and also it is not quite as arbitrary as it may seem. To put it bluntly I would like to suggest that meaning is the product of an 'inebriated' mind. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by PastorAIO: 12:19pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
In order words, there is something that you can come into contact with in life that will cause you to perceive meaning everywhere. Lack of this thing ( let me call it an elixir) will cause you to no longer see meanings and subsequently will leave you feeling depressed. Also note that Depression is not an ideal state for a human. Some depressives like to wallow in their depression as if possessed by the depression but ideally sanguinity is preferred. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by Ihedinobi3: 12:43pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I checked the synopsis. The general idea is correct as far as it goes. The Lord works all things together for good to those who love Him and there is no soldier in His Army who has the full picture so we don't always (in fact, we rarely do) know the full rationale of the tasks that He gives us to do. That is what it means to walk by Faith. We have to trust Him to be using every obedience we offer Him to work out something perfect for all of His Children. I may eventually make time to watch the series but I doubt that I will. I am barely keeping up with my responsibilities at the moment. I couldn't afford something like that in the short term. But I thank you very much for sharing it with me. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by Ihedinobi3: 12:47pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
DoctorAlien:I believe I understand you and I agree as far as that goes. My point, however, is that I am more concerned about the Christians who may read those discussions even without participating and with those Christians for whom I develop material out of those conversations (I have a thread where I share some conversations I have had). So, in so far as engaging with these men provides me an opportunity to encourage and establish the hearts of fellow Christians whether those Christians are participating in the discussions or not I am happy to indulge them. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 5:24pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
Ihedinobi3:There is nothing better than the proof of the pudding is in its eating. Just watch the 101 pilot, instead of reading synopsises. Come back to tell and share your thoughts of it |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 6:13pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
johnydon22:Same here |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 6:17pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
PastorAIO:Well said. You hit the nail on the head. In as much as the building blocks of the foundation of life is arbitrary, some of its building blocks are not all that arbitrary. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 6:25pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
PastorAIO:Again you hit the nail on the head here. PastorAIO:Depression and life are like two similar sides of a magnet. They repel against one another. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 6:54pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
PastorAIO:Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be "inebriated" with the Spirit; francis247:Death, is one of life building blocks that is not at all arbitrary. Without it we wouldn't value life. Even you, if you're honest, sincere and truthful, will be the first to admit that, you so much value of life, that you want to arrive at your death, late. Life afterall, to you, has a meaning then There is more to life than just breathing. And as for the earlier mention of depression well, depresion, can be something, hard to understand If my memory serves me right, I thnk its JK Rowling that said; "Depression isn't just being a bit sad. It's feeling nothing. It's not wanting to be alive anymore." http://www.veoh.com/watch/v363280nFSFMC66 Ihedinobi3 & DoctorAlien just watch the pilot, watch the one link above alone cc Ranchhoddas, budaatum, you both & francis247 can give thanks later Dont forget to click on to 102 and the rest to watch the whole series |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:53pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Okay. Thanks. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 8:04pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
DoctorAlien:Ask me later about anything you watched in it thank you for cleverly neutralising the repeat moniker mentions |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by Ranchhoddas: 8:56pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
Has anyone read "The Meaning of Life" by Adrian Cooper? |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by Ranchhoddas: 9:03pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Reverence towards whom? I assume you've obtained some revelation. Do you mind sharing? You once said you were not a Christian. What are you? I am asking because Ihediniobi is Catholic(?) and Doctor Alien is Adventist. No complicated answers please. Don't say Jedidiah if you can say Solomon. ![]() |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by PastorAIO: 9:37pm On Nov 28, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: My attention has just been drawn to this post with a 'like'. It kinda sums up my position on this matter: PastorAIO: 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 3:53am On Nov 29, 2018 |
Ranchhoddas:Reverence towards the Vitaliser Do you respect your parents? Do your respect your wife? Do you respect your family? Do you respect yourself? Why? Ranchhoddas:You can take the assumption to the bank. Sharing is my middle name. Sharing is in my DNA My posts are full of sharing. Please watch that link I pasted and let's together share what we watched in it Ranchhoddas:Christian is a misnomer. If only more christians truthfully and properly read their bibles, there'd be less christians. Make no mistake about it, in reality, there is no denomination. The power that be, is Catholic Adventist et al specific agnostic. budaatum, recently tried labeling and caging me as a Buddhist, just because I told a poster I am a Buddha. Sometimes, you have to say Jedidiah instead of Solomon because such is life. We labour and break a sweat, gold isnt picked off the ground surface, neither are pearls scooped off the sea water surface Ranchhoddas:Why this mischievous looking smirk at the end? |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by budaatum: 4:00am On Nov 29, 2018 |
francis247:I'm going to assume you are thinking out loud here, trying to ascribe meaning (or purpose) to life, since in the bit quoted below with some deletions (do read it!), you have listed things you claim are "supposedly for the good of his specie", and which the lack of it is "suicide and depression". Indeed you have no purpose when you are born, except for that of fulfilling the desires of your parents to procreate. As you grow, the society you are born into gives you purpose through "religion, language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions", to name a few. As you develop, you acquire a further sense of purpose, the ultimate one being to live, and would do everything possible to extend life. A simple test of this fact is to fill the bath with water and hold your head underneath it. You will find that the desire to live would limit how long your head stays under water. Your purpose, to live, would eventually overcome and out of the water in the bath would you lift your head, gasping for existence. Humans ascribe meaning to their existence, and they give themselves purposes to take that next breath. When we lose this sense of purpose, when the need to take that next breath departs one, indeed, giving up life is the next option. But I assure you that's not going to happen to you! Your purpose, at least one of them, and which you fulfilled today, is to come on here, read what's written and contribute towards the ongoing development of "religion, language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions" for the advancement of a peaceful and blissful stay of us humans here on earth. The fact that you made me think all day of my response to this thread you started is evidence that you serve a purpose and are not meaningless. And the fact that I'm going to continue pondering what you've written here is indicative of how huge a purpose indeed it is! And that's without mentioning the numerous people who also read and responded to what you wrote. And the more than that who read it and didn't respond but pondered it anyway. And the many who would discuss it with others and or just be influenced by it. And don't be surprised too if long after you move on others would come along and derive purpose from this thread. In the beginning was the word (which for the purpose of this thread is "religion, language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions" ), and with it, you sir, created, purpose. So please don't you dare sell yourself short. In the future, even much more than this would you do! francis247: |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 4:08am On Nov 29, 2018 |
PastorAIO:Brilliant interactions with salient points scattered in there |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by budaatum: 4:27am On Nov 29, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Abba MuttleyLaff! You sure like mentioning buda too much! Have you forgotten how touchy I get when misrepresented, or are you just pressing my buttons? This was you! MuttleyLaff:And here was my response. budaatum: |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 4:39am On Nov 29, 2018 |
budaatum:That was me alright and I expected you'll click on the link I provided so to understand why the buddha mention came about and how me telling the poster "I am a Buddha" cropped up Notice in the link, she believes she is a future Buddha and I responded to her that, I am a buddha right now, increasingly knowing more by the day and not a future buddha You arent half as touchy as me finding myself being misrepresented and you trying to pigeon hole me as a buddhist by saying I dabbled into Buddhism I've persistently been mentioning you budaatum because I'll like you to watch this shy of 45 minutes clip http://www.veoh.com/watch/v363280nFSFMC66 |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by budaatum: 4:52pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:You're not exactly promoting yourself well enough to get 45 minutes of my time, MuttleyLaff. But I'll give it a go sometime. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 6:00pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
budaatum:Do it soon, you won't regret it as it'll be worth the effort I am surprised you are oblivious of it |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by LordReed(m): 9:41pm On Nov 29, 2018 |
francis247: It is true there is no inherent meaning in anything but you and I can give meaning to our lives. It is no less meaningful because it is us giving it meaning so a lack of religion should not necessarily lead to depression and suicide. I don't feel any less purposeful now that I rid myself of religion, in fact I feel more in charge of my life. And even though I no longer think a god will reveal the future, I no longer second guess myself, my decisions are firm and based on facts so I know what the likely consequences and results are and I am prepared to accept them. I am also building myself up to enjoy every aspect of life and find adventure everyday, no need to sit around moping around for imaginary things. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by budaatum: 1:37am On Nov 30, 2018 |
Ihedinobi3:Pretty much. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by budaatum: 1:45am On Nov 30, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Did 37mins and 40 secs then it crashed. Please read Lordreeds above. One is not compelled to get one's reason for living from "religion like language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions", when one can as well cook up ones own reason in ones own head. Or, know ye not who gods are, muttley?! Almost 38 mins! I am very vigorously smh! |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by francis247(m): 7:05am On Nov 30, 2018 |
budaatum:That's the thing. I do not sadly feel like I have in me that which it takes to acquire a further sense of purpose beyond that which fulfilling the desires of my parents to procreate gives as well as that which being a member of the society offers. budaatum: As regards things looking up and changing for the better in the future, frankly I do not, as someone living with SCT alias CDD and also being a melancholic, envisage that happening but time shall tell. After all there are lots of supposedly beautiful and amazing exposures, exhibitions and experiences life has to offer of which I'm yet to have a slice. I can only but hope for the best. |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 7:19am On Nov 30, 2018 |
budaatum:37 mins is a very good and long enough time to get a gist and good enough grip of the film. 10:46 Who are you? I've known you since before you're born I'm going to ask you one more time I AM God You what? God Dont ever, talk to me, again How did I beat that kid at chess? He was using logic, you werent What did you think of the above dialogues at the 10:46 minute mark and another after it budaatum:#IfYouKnowYouKnow If you know, you know and who no know, no go know I did and saw a gaping wide hole bigger than a Swiss Cottage cheese. Unsurprisingly, there actually are more holes than Swiss cheese in it budaatum:Why smh, why vigorously? Is it because you felt gutted and let you down that your internet connection degraded whilst watching it That wasnt God though, you know, trying to get her into the car Just refresh to reload the connection, to continue watching and then click on below for 102 http://www.veoh.com/watch/v384437hZJ6YSHD |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by LordReed(m): 8:34am On Nov 30, 2018 |
francis247: Are you a student or do you work? |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by budaatum: 10:20am On Nov 30, 2018 |
francis247:You are allowing yourself to be limited by you environment and circumstances, and its making you feel despondent - though, your "I do not sadly feel" presents a contraction. Do you really believe you do not "have what it takes to acquire a further sense of purpose beyond that which fulfilling the desires of my parents to procreate gives as well as that which being a member of the society offers"? Well, that's ok. It's not as if you can have fully explored the "sense of purpose which being a member of the society offers". I'll give you an anecdote. Some long while ago, when I felt like you did, I was in a library one day when I heard the words "buda, I am the lord thy god", which isn't so strange since I was amongst what could best be described as gods to me, except I wasn't in the fashion of hearing voices apart from that of the shower head. Somewhile later, I moved house, and not finding anywhere for my books, I shipped them all to my home in Nigeria. Then I visited the library in the Orolu Kingdom and found I had more books in storage than the entire kingdom had, so I gave my books to the library. Then I collected more books from my friends and sent them to the library, which started me on a purpose of caring for the library of the Orolu Kindom that has spanned some 15 years. My point here is, widden your society. francis247:Sluggish cognitive tempo (SCT) is the term for a syndrome that may comprise a novel and distinct attention disorder from ADHD. Symptoms of it include dreaminess, mental fogginess, hypoactivity, sluggishness, staring frequently, inconsistent alertness and a slow working speed. Look at all those amazing skills! Dreaminess, the ability to move ones mind out of ones physical environment. Mental fogginess, the ability to not get stuck on the little you know. Hypoactivity, energy. Sluggishness, tortoise like, slow and steady, and not like the hare. Staring frequently, as in observing, likely with the mind as opposed to the eyes alone. Inconsistent alertness, able to relax one's mind. Slow working speed, as in, not a russian! And the point here is widen your amazing skills! You can more than hope, francis247! With all those skills, you can rest assured that your possibilities would widen in time. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists, What's Your Opinion On This One? by MuttleyLaff: 10:47am On Nov 30, 2018 |
Yep, life is short Francis. Make the most of what you got and don't be too self absorbing over the lots of supposedly beautiful and amazing exposures, exhibitions and experiences life has to offer of which you're yet to have a slice of. We all do and/or can only but hope for the best. |
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