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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kevomtaani: 11:31am On Dec 04, 2018 |
rvp20183: Zambia for the most part escaped tribal issues because it is divided into four regions. All tribes in the country identify with this regions. Up to the current Times they didn't suffer tribal warfare but regionalism where major tribes make allies within their regions. I'm just surprised their neighbour here doesn't know about this going as far as claiming Zambia as more democratic hehehe I tire. 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 11:31am On Dec 04, 2018 |
Kenyanstar:Kenya is full of slums, 98% of the counties are slums.. only 3% of its CBDs are little bit better
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 11:45am On Dec 04, 2018 |
why are their so many slums in Kenya? from Nairobi to Mombasa to kisumu, to Nakuru to kiisi, is like all Kenyans cities are made up of slums,? Is the word "slums" was derived from Swahili words kslumi nbaya which means slums?
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 11:53am On Dec 04, 2018 |
Damn Kenya is a fckd up country I swear! imagine a country with population of about 45millions people having far more slums than a country of about 200million people. I just made research online and found that most of the population of Kenyans in urban areas leaves in slums at different counties levels. why developing the tourists areas (CBDs and few other places ) and neglecting the other places where majority of real Kenyans leaves?
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:58am On Dec 04, 2018 |
It coz our cities are planned and ZONAL laws strictly enforced. And we stopped building social housing. Nigeria cities are not planned..so the slums are not contigous like in Kenya. Nigeria has a more SERIOUS problems. Nigeria cities are mixed development - slum next to bungalow next to maisonette next to apartment next to office block next to an industry next to farm next to forest. Our mess is easy to solve. Slums occupy 5% of land in cities - illegally built - we can easily upgrade the slums and voila we have modern cities. Now Nigeria - entire cities would need to be demolished - then zones established - then new city built from the scratch. Only Abuja would be spared...but generally speaking you will have to build more Abuja (completely new cities) and hopefully keep strict zonning laws. This is the mess you're talking about nigeria - 95% of SLUMPOLIS - built by legal owners of the land in all shapes and manner- compared to temporary structures in our slums built along valleys & rivers - that can be demolished or upgraded easily. [img]https://2.bp..com/-92zRYqtwzXA/V_TDUBBNDlI/AAAAAAAAXtg/lbE4EBS9oBo2pykovD4-a7h8eUcyCYw-wCLcB/s1600/kano-city2.jpg[/img] 68816419: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 12:07pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
rvp20183:Nigeria cities have bad areas but u dare not call them slums, Kenya slums are what slums looks like, they are built from shaft, zinc,muds and any thing available, Nigeria run down areas have only rusted roofs and may be bad roads ( but good road connectivity, which makes is better planned than your slums). I just learnt that are more bigger slums that Kibera, is it true? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 12:08pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
TayserMahiri:The moment you Kenyans spent hours of your time to defend that "Kenya is ahead of Nigeria" shows the heading isn't entirely true.The moment a Kenyan posted Harare pics as Kenya's it proves the heading isn't entirely true.When a guy stole, photoshoped pics and posted as Nairobi's it shows Kenya isn't ahead! So I suggested a change of heading just to help you kenyans,but alas,you don't appreciate my genuine good gesture. Yes it was a good thing to inaugurate a new OSBP in namanga.This is not a new thing in Tz.We have OSBP with Rwanda,Burundi is in construction.Our OSBP with Zambia is operational. Remember Zambia/Tanzania border is the busiest border post in Africa (after south Africa/Zimbabwe border) Tanzania is a pro integration nation. We united with Zanzibar. Kenya failed to unite with anybody. Just try to do the same with Somalia. Tanzania is a founding member of SADC. We have experience of being in union than any nation in Africa.Our experience tells us you can't enter in any form of coalition without mechanisms being into place.You can't hastily enter into coalition for the sake of it.You can't enter or form coalition with wrong intentions.When we tried to raised issues in EAC other nations like Kenya thought we were against integration!They ended forming a common visa which collapsed.They formed a free roaming zone which failed too.If Kenya could allow Tz to fully lead the EAC,I believe we could be in a different level.What Kenya doesn't know is you can't substitute experience with any thing.In this case Tz has a vast experience of union stuffs. A loan isnt that bad.The issue is,how you use your loan,how you got it,the interest rates etc.A loan itself can't just cause a colonization. It is how you went about it.Japan has a debt of over 200% of their GDP but they are still OK. Tanzania has a debt of about 32% of GDP,Kenya is hitting 60%.If a nation isn't corrupt,debt management becomes easier. China isn't a biggest investor in Tz.China isn't the biggest funder of Tz projects but the world bank is.Currently we have small projects funded by China, like the library of UDSM. 1 Like
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 12:14pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
rvp20183:"Our mess is easy to solve. Slums occupy 5% of land in cities - illegally built - we can easily upgrade the slums and voila we have modern cities." well, slums occupies 5% of land mass and how comes you skipped the part that says ....and its made up of over 70% of its population? hahahaa |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 12:18pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
68816419: Hahahaha! . Through the slums of course. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:22pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
If you mix slums with modern buildings - that make your cities slums. There is just no other word for that. Nairobi slums are what you find in ANY modern city - Joburg/Capetown - or US' tent cities - these are temporary structures built illegally - the owners knows they could be demolished any data. Kibera is built on forest reserve --- but Nairobi is never going to be a SLUMPOLIS. We can easily demolish our slums or upgrade them. You need to demolish your entire cities Here is Kibera and it's surrounding. Loresho Nairobi - next to a slum. 68816419: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 12:24pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
tlann:Fake news |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:25pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
You find slums like the ones in Kenya in places like South Africa and modern cities with poor people - temporary structures illegally built - what you don't find is a SLUMPOLIS like you see in Nigeria - mix-mesh that is impossible to solve - except in building new city. Slums occupy only 5% of Nairobi land. - most of it on road, railway and forest/river reserves - that ought to be reclaimed whenever possible and upgraded when not possible. Kibera - on the right is Slum Upgrading that is ongoing - and then you can see a road reserve has been reclaimed - and slums demolished 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 12:26pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
jaycent: Please forgive them, for they know not what they are saying. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 12:27pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Kazikazi:Man, don't even worry your self, we Nigerians knows who Kenyans are and what their cities looks like, we know that kenya cities are nothing out side its CBD ( reasons why they kept recycling same CBD pics but in different angels) ,we go to Kenya and other Africa countries as tourists to enjoy and help its economy to grow as we prefer to keep our money in Africa than spending it at another continent. you find far more Nigerians in Tanzania, Ghana ,south Africa and other places. and you Tanzanian welcomes us a brothers and deports the bad ones among us ( which Nigeria also deports other bad eggs as well). so, don't even stress your self trying to educate these head knocked slums guys.. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 12:31pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
tlann: So, you didn't understand all we have been saying till now? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 12:32pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Kazikazi: You really think you're smart huh? With your diversionary tactics, you come here and make an absurd, you're responded to - you ignore it and pop up with exactly the same argument few pages later. I asked you why you keep claiming Kenya starves when all the statistics prove otherwise, you ignored my response and here you come back with exactly the same claim. Now you say Kenya suffers from tribalism corruption and we accepted and we said alongside unfavorable weather, that's what keeps Kenya not very developed, now we ask you why your rosy Tanzania is underdeveloped and scores lower than Kenya in all development indices if you guys are as rosy as you claim, you instead are talking if some food aid nobody's heard of. First get at least your facts right before you respond, Malaysia had lots of oil - it's economic growth actually was mostly due to oil. South Korea and Singapore are very well managed countries and are not corrupt. Kenya, other than lacking resources is corrupt and tribalistic yet still doing better than your Tanzania that you present as non-corrupt, non-tribalistic, hardworking and everything good. The question is, why is Tanzania so poor then?
The only person pointing fingers is you. You say Kenyans starve even though all statistics show otherwise. You present Tanzania as perfect and a role model. We only asked you a simple question now that you've been talking about Kenya all through - why is Tanzania underdeveloped?
There's lots of irrigation in Kenya, Kenya stopped importing electricity from Uganda long long time ago and the reason we imported wasn't because we weren't producing our own. Uganda was lucky to have the colonial government construct them a dam and so was Tanzania. When the white man left Kenya, we weren't producing any electricity of our own. We depended fully on Uganda. Immediately after independence we started building our own dams and by 1990 we were already the largest generators of electricity in East Africa. Currently only Ethiopia generates more than us and we don't import any electricity. There's a lot of irrigation in Kenya, however we still supplement some of our food with imports and we also export food too. We are the largest exporters of milk and avocado in Africa. What matters more again is whether the food is sufficient and based on statistics, it's always sufficient. Now tell us why perfect Tanzania scores lower than Kenya in all development indices. 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 12:33pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
rvp20183: how can you demolish areas where 75% of a population leaves? don't you know that your CBD (nice areas) are only meant for business purposes reasons why you only find few residents their . I should ask you this, how much % of your population do you think leaves in slums, be realistic? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 12:34pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Kazikazi: So what makes Tanzania less developed than Kenya? Once more, bring proof that Tanzania is more food sufficient than Kenya. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 12:37pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
rvp20183:ahahh from the pic you posted, do you even see how large and congested the slums looks and how comes you cropped it,? Plus, can you also show us mathare slums and its environs just like Kibera you showed us Tafadali? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 12:40pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
forgiveness:Indeed |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:40pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
What makes you think we have CBD+Slums? I thought you know we have high class residential areas, we have upper middle class, we have middle class, we have lower middle class, we have upper low class and low class (slums). It really depend on the definition of slums. What I know for a fact - and it easy to use GIS tools - to measure - is that our slums occupy 5% of the land. The largest of them all - has 170K people - or about 3-4% of 4-5M Nairobi residents. I think I would put the people living in slums - at less than 20%. We have another census in 2019 - and we will find out. 68816419: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 12:41pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
forgiveness:of course they know, but they won't just accept our superiority, they must have gone through YouTube and see it for them selves . |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:41pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
It's not an attachment that I cropped - its a picture I shared -https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/dji_0343-mov-00_01_19_22-still001.jpg Kibera - road reserve has been reclaimed - Railway reserved reclaimed now - what remain is for Nairobi dam to reclaim the riperian parts - and the rest can be upgraded to social housing. Our slum probably is easy to solve. [img]https://preview.ibb.co/d37m4p/Kiber_Road.png[/img] 68816419: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 12:43pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Kazikazi: There you go again with your lies. First you underquote Tanzania's debt next you quote Kenya's overall debt as external debt. Tanzania's external debt is $21 billion constituting 37.5% of your GDP. https://tradingeconomics.com/tanzania/external-debt Kenya's external debt is $26 billion constituting 29.5% of our GDP https://tradingeconomics.com/tenyaa/external-debt Yet you're here forever lecturing us on debt. Please, take your advice and remove the log in your eye. 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 12:46pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 12:48pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
rvp20183: When and who declared Abuja one of the worst cities in Africa? Liar! |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 12:49pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
rvp20183: only 20% ?, how many slums does Nairobi has, and what's the population of these slums? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:52pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Maybe even less. Someone had just inflated Kibera population to 2M and everyone ran with it. When census was done - only 170Km were counted there. Kibera the largest is barely 3km square. The list of slums - include some measuring 2 or 3 acres - the list of Nairobi estates that are not slums is so long we need another 100 pages to go through them. 68816419: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 12:52pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
forgiveness:Na foolish blogers from Useless Kenya na |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jaycent(m): 12:54pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
68816419:The kind of slums wey Kenya get ehn, it will make someone vomit 10times a day |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kikuyu1(m): 12:57pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Kenyanstar: SIGHHHHHH.....these niggas and their pathological self delusion! None of us has ever denied Kibera and its problems but these guys are even worse off!! Mpape is widely regarded as the biggest slum in the city of Abuja and government has been making arrangement to demolish the slum since the past five years.Its most likely bigger than Kibera. 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 12:58pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
NairobiWalker:how do you even service your debts knowing fully well that your FX reserve of 8B$ is less than Nigeria owns of 47B$?
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