shine12:


Please tell them too stop assuming. I know at least 100 Nigerians in the UK, maybe one/two does cleaning. The rest are Doctors Academic researchers, Bankers, Construction Managers, Engineer, Pharmaceutical executive. Those days are over when Nigerians do "odd" jobs that's the generation before, the current generation are armed with skills and quifications in a system where qualified people are valued. I get at least 10 calls a day for a new job whenever I put my CV online.

Not everyone got d opportunity to harm themselves with these skills. Some go over there with d hope of bettering themselves even without a degree, that's y u see them scrapping up to make ends meet.

The reality is that this abroad ,many of you will not go there, if you like apply for visa till you die

you just have to face your reality and start building your life and country.

when you are young, you feel abroad is the place to succeed, the stress, the money and the energy, if you have used it in learning a very sell-able skills by age 30, you would have become very comfortable in Nigeria

but you guys use the energy in queuing for visas,patronizing agents( why are the agents not applying for visas) and not even getting the visas, then hopelessness and despair troop in,you start running from church to church, you became broke and desperate and then reality comes through by that time you are already 38,nothing to show for. that is the reality of many wanna be immigrant.

cool down, get your skills, work hard, sell your self and increase your bank account and you will be able to travel for holidays in that abroad.

thebosstrevor:


where did you get your information from?

earn 5000k dollars per month, which student schooling and working in the US is earning 60K per year

there is no system like that anywhere in this world. it seems you dont understand what it means to go to school and also work at the same time.

I wouldn't post such if I don't know someone who earns such in euro sef no dollars.

thebosstrevor:



The thing is this many of them came through construction projects financed by the chinese govt,they dont plan to live with us, after their contracts they go back home. Many of them are not immigrant like many of us but labourers employed by the chinese govt.during their short stay in our country,they tend to have understand our market,make cash and move on.

THe other chinese that remains in nigeria become FDI. THey build big businesses that employs hundreds of nigerians.

nigerians abroad are not FDI rather economy immigrant.

Those Chinese you see doing constructions are prisoners from China. They use them abroad to work.

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
I wouldn't post such if I don't know someone who earns such in euro sef no dollars.

As a student? where is your proof

all these are just stories, they tell you. Europe wey hard, you cant work and school in many european countries. EU laws are against Non-EU student working and schooling.

thebosstrevor:


is life all about having light,

what are u talking about? if the europe and the america that u travel to had no stable power do you think they would have been developed .for a country to start developing it needs stable power.nigeria is still running on chinese powered generators and u say nigeria is developing.how can a country with epleptic power have running industries.so yes developments starts with the country having a stable power system.

amanikondo:


Those Chinese you see doing constructions are prisoners from China. They use them abroad to work.

so prisoners come to Nigeria and make it more than people with Bsc and Masters. what an irony,

If you make it here (Nigeria) or travel to Western country to make it just know that you're fortunate and so lucky. Many people are repeating what you tried once and make it in a single attempt. What do you want someone like me to say? I pray for a breakthrough sha

thebosstrevor:


As a student? where is your proof

all these are just stories, they tell you. Europe wey hard, you cant work and school in many european countries. EU laws are against Non-EU student working and schooling.

I won't argue with you. The jobs are even on contract, not a full time job cos of school. Go ask those who work in Mercedes how much they collect.

lefulefu:
what are u talking about? if the europe and the america that u travel to had no stable power do you think they would have been developed .for a country to start developing it needs stable power.nigeria is still running on chinese powered generators and u say nigeria is developing.how can a country with epleptic power have running industries.so yes developments starts with the country having a stable power system.

Is Nigeria not the country with the Highest GDP in Africa even without the constant electricity.

i am tired of excuses. i hate hearing excuses, even in so called developed world, they hate excuses.

there are lot of potentials in Nigeria, only Nigerians do not see it.

thebosstrevor:
The reality is that this abroad ,many of you will not go there, if you like apply for visa till you die

you just have to face your reality and start building your life and country.

when you are young, you feel abroad is the place to succeed, the stress, the money and the energy, if you have used it in learning a very sell-able skills by age 30, you would have become very comfortable in Nigeria

but you guys use the energy in queuing for visas,patronizing agents( why are the agents not applying for visas) and not even getting the visas, then hopelessness and despair troop in,you start running from church to church, you became broke and desperate and then reality comes through by that time you are already 38,nothing to show for. that is the reality of many wanna be immigrant.

cool down, get your skills, work hard, sell your self and increase your bank account and you will be able to travel for holidays in that abroad.

u talk like a politician.its obvious u a politicians child or a child of some moneybag.u ignorant of wat is happening in the country.

what?

thebosstrevor:
The reality is that this abroad ,many of you will not go there, if you like apply for visa till you die

you just have to face your reality and start building your life and country.

when you are young, you feel abroad is the place to succeed, the stress, the money and the energy, if you have used it in learning a very sell-able skills by age 30, you would have become very comfortable in Nigeria

but you guys use the energy in queuing for visas,patronizing agents( why are the agents not applying for visas) and not even getting the visas, then hopelessness and despair troop in,you start running from church to church, you became broke and desperate and then reality comes through by that time you are already 38,nothing to show for. that is the reality of many wanna be immigrant.

cool down, get your skills, work hard, sell your self and increase your bank account and you will be able to travel for holidays in that abroad.

Not everyone wants to travel abroad. Those who wanna travel are fueled with the desire for a greener pasture and helping of their families Atleast that's what we Igbos do.
You should see the pride which they carry themselves when back for Christmas and splashing money around. Off course those who sweated for the money here will double the money with spit before giving you

IBvoss:


There's a good difference between immigrants and foreign visitors. Immigrants travel with the aim of permanent settlement or at least, a stay much longer than that permitted by an immigration service. Foreign visitors are students, tourists and working individuals, who all possess the required visas and permits.

Those who travel out with the aim of migrating, are typically deemed as 'suffering Nigerians who work brown collar jobs'. That is simply the plain truth.
Those who migrate either illegally, or legally through some lottery, protection services, and others are condemned to the lowest stratum of the society they migrate to. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar! Of course, they are always exceptions to every rule but those exceptions are very rare and occupying a minimal percentage of these sets of migrants.

Leaving home is not always the best option. As they say, there's no better place than home. Even though individuals may have good reasons for migrating, I don't agree that it's the best choice. Nigeria as a developing nation with immense future prospects is a land filled with opportunity if you know where, and how to look.

Those who eventually migrate, are always at the lowest of the low, stuck working brown collar jobs. Even if you have some form of professional qualification, do you really think that employers would choose you and your qualification from a backwater location (as they view it) over their homebred citizens? (Incredibly outstanding qualifications are an exception to this.)

Although there are some who manage to find a better place in that society after tremendous effort and/or bountiful luck, it would always remain the truth that they are outcasts. They have no heritage there, no history and ultimately, there would be no belonging.

Even though some of the immigrants migrate because of the chaotic atmosphere in Nigeria and its seemingly bleak future; wanting a better environment for their future generations, it's not so easy to be indoctrinated into a foreign society. Your history as an immigrant will forever be a mark that limits you and allows for easy segregation in many areas of that society, especially when it comes to political positions.

Now, mentioning those select immigrants who end up successful, a fact often overlooked is that those few successful migrants would have probably been as successful or likely even more successful if they stayed in their native country and put in the same amount of effort that made them successful in that foreign country. They would find it much less difficult in their native country than it was in a foreign country.

I also see that the Chinese are being mentioned in this thread, but has any of you ever met a Chinese individual who told you he/she is here because they love the Nigerian country and seek to be a Nigerian citizen?
The Chinese are only here to take advantage of the opportunities in Nigeria, the same opportunities these migrating individuals are throwing away, in search of 'greener pastures'.

It's actually quite the reverse if you look at it like this: The Chinese leave their highly developed native lands, which have minimal opportunities for grasps and high levels of competition, to a developing third world country like Nigeria, which has abundant opportunities for them to exploit.

Yet, the natives of this country overflowing with opportunities, are so eager to leave their country in search of an illusive 'greener pasture' which is in reality, a foreign land filled with minimal opportunities and an intense level of competition among its own indigenous citizens, not to mention foreign immigrants.

And lastly, there are those set of toxic migrants who are mostly the bearers of the bad reputation that precedes migration and overseas travel in Nigeria.

These individuals are mostly illegal immigrants and their reason for migrating to a foreign land is all money-oriented, with the poor economy of Nigeria playing a big role. Due to bad situation of the Nigerian economy and the ever decreasing value of its currency, these set of individuals all have the ridiculous thought of migrating to a foreign country for the sole sake of that country's currency and its value. They believe that, if they can find a job (no matter what it is or how low it is) in a foreign country and save enough of an amount, they can return to their native land and retire in immense wealth and splendour, after converting the little amount they earned into the increasingly worthless currency of their native land.

Their now acquired wealth, in turn, motivates other individuals lamenting the perceived poor state of the country, and their miserable lives and pockets, to migrate to a foreign land where they are despised and treated as the lowest of the low. Losing their pride, dignity and potential, all for a dollar!
A mind-boggling fact is that these particular migrants positions in their native country were not as bad, relative to their lowly positions in the foreign country.

There are even some that are doing outstandingly well in their native land but still amazingly choose to migrate into a society where they are degraded and despised by the locals. The actions of these people bring about a negative reputation of their country as a whole, and make it difficult for legal visitors to procure a visa.

Where do I start with this?

I will cede that there is a high probability for illegals to end up this way because by definition of being an illegal they are not equipped with the skills, knowledge, education, experience, and language required to participate in the economy of the host country. Because of this skill deficit, they end up in low paying jobs because this is the most they can achieve. The illegals and low skilled immigrants slowly become a burden to their hosts because they'll consume a disproportionate amount of government welfare where available without fair or equal contribution to the system.

The case is different from immigrants who come in the proper way. Again, by definition of being legal immigrants, they typically would have met the skills, education and language requirements put in place by their hosts. This class of immigrants also referred to as high skilled immigrants usually come into their host countries enthusiastically and optimistically armed with the appropriate 'economic toolkit'. They are the ones best suited to climb the economic ladder and they do so generating wealth for themselves, their families and their communities.

Examples of this abound in New Zealand, Australia, and Canada where high skilled immigrants from India and China, for instance, are seen as a net positive to their economic wellbeing. These countries have immigration policies designed to attract the upwardly mobile demographic of other countries and examples abound where such immigrants successfully occupy the middle to high-class rungs of those countries.
These types of immigrants make significant contributions in fields such as technology and science through their innovative and entrepreneurial undertakings.

Low skilled immigrants and illegals on the other hand, because of the reasons I had highlighted earlier, tend not to integrate successfully. Instead, they form ethnic and tribal ghettos with their attendant socio-economic woes in their host countries thereby further limiting their chances of economic success. We can see this in many European countries, and parts of the US(which has also benefitted from high skilled immigrants) and the wave of resistance growing against these types continues to climb daily.

You are mistaken if you believe that the majority immigrants whether legal or illegal will be condemned to the lowest strata of their host countries.

thebosstrevor:


Is Nigeria not the country with the Highest GDP in Africa even without the constant electricity.

i am tired of excuses. i hate hearing excuses, even in so called developed world, they hate excuses.

there are lot of potentials in Nigeria, only Nigerians do not see it.

i said it.u belong to the political class.na like dis dem dey yarn.always using paper works to argue while not looking on the reality on ground.so a barber wey set up im own saloon to start im business but nepa no gree give am light how u expect am to survive for im business.yu think its everybody who is rich enuf to be buying fuel for generator everyday.

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
I won't argue with you. The jobs are even on contract, not a full time job cos of school. Go ask those who work in Mercedes how much they collect.

i guess this is what they told you. you think working in Mercedes is a student job, dont let anyone deceive you, you cant work and study in the EU and earn 5000 euros per month as a student. it is impossible.

60,000 euros is like a yearly salary for professionals in the EU.

thebosstrevor:


so prisoners come to Nigeria and make it more than people with Bsc and Masters. what an irony,

The reason Chinese can beat local contractors to contracts in Nigeria is because of labour. Chinese will never employ locals to work for them except someone to buy them Agege bread and interpret for them.

lefulefu:
i said it.u belong to the political class.na like dis dem dey yarn.always using paper works to argue while not looking on the reality on ground.so a barber wey set up im own stall to start im business but nepa no gree give am light how u expect am to survive for im business.yu think its everybody who is rich enuf to be buying fuel for generator everyday.

i know a dropout in this same Nigeria who is a fashion boss, he has stores for made in Nigeria cloth, i guess if he was giving excuses he wont have had it.

thebosstrevor:



i guess this is what they told you. you think working in Mercedes is a student job, dont let anyone deceive you, you cant work and study in the EU and earn 5000 euros per month as a student. it is impossible.

60,000 euros is like a yearly salary for professionals in the EU.

Alright dear. I'll make my research properly. Thanks.

amanikondo:


The reason Chinese can beat local contractors to contracts in Nigeria is because of labour. Chinese will never employ locals to work for them except someone to buy them Agege bread and interpret for them.

there are locals working in those companies but many of them dont learn any skills, they just come to work and work, complain about pay and mistreatment and collect salaries,i guess all their dream is abroad

if they learn and copy some of those skills the chinese came with, i am sure they could have change company by now.

chinese man will employ an european to do a job here in Nigeria, learn the skills of that european and will never call him back again, nigerian man will be slaving and toiling there instead of learning the skills and moving higher. we dont see the big picture in anything.

thebosstrevor:


Is Nigeria not the country with the Highest GDP in Africa even without the constant electricity.

i am tired of excuses. i hate hearing excuses, even in so called developed world, they hate excuses.

there are lot of potentials in Nigeria, only Nigerians do not see it.

Let's talk progress a bit here, in what sector are you in?

You seem to have ignored my earlier contribution, it seems you're only interested in those that came to fight. I have never made excuses my whole life but i sure know that job searching in Nigeria is not a pleasant experience.

Now you'd argue about getting creative, brother is it everyone that's cut out to be a fashion designer?

I sell cars and I can tell you with all boldness that it is easier to make it in Nigeria than abroad. Why do people abroad keep on shipping cars and goods to Nigeria if it was that bad? Those who try to paint Nigeria in a badlight here havent gotten their feet wet yet. It is very possible to have eyes and yet still be blind

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
Not everyone wants to travel abroad. Those who wanna travel are fueled with the desire for a greener pasture and helping of their families Atleast that's what we Igbos do.
You should see the pride which they carry themselves when back for Christmas and splashing money around. Off course those who sweated for the money here will double the money with spit before giving you

i have never seen a man or woman who worked hard for his money whether home or abroad splashing money anyhow. the only people doing that are people who do shady stuffs or young boys who have just experienced small money.

thebosstrevor:



i know a dropout in this same Nigeria who is a fashion boss, he has stores for made in Nigeria cloth, i guess if he was giving excuses he wont have had it.

fact is just because u saw one or two doesnt mean its dat easy for many nigerian entrapeanurs.it could be very possible the guy is from a very wealthy family or well yo do and it was the family that set him up .some months back i saw on a programme on NTA about a female taxi driver who was formally a banker but changed her proffesion to a taxi driver.when she was interviewed she admitted that it was even her dad who.purchased the car for her .thats how nigeria has turned out.for migration to reduce then the.govt has to do its own job.let d govt provide the enabling environment and u will see that migration will drop. bashing ppl who migrate is a heartless gesture cos its not their fault.

kentoski:


Let's talk progress a bit here, in what sector are you in?

You seem to have ignored my earlier contribution, it seems you're only interested in those that came to fight. I have never made excuses my whole life but i sure know that job searching in Nigeria is not a pleasant experience.

Now you'd argue about getting creative, brother is it everyone that's cut out to be a fashion designer?

not every one but there are other skills anybody with sense can brand and make good cash.

thebosstrevor:



i have never seen a man or woman who worked hard for his money whether home or abroad splashing money anyhow. the only people doing that are people who do shady stuffs or young boys who have just experienced small money.

Good night

lefulefu:
fact is just because u saw one or two doesnt mean its dat easy for many nigerian entrapeanurs.it could be very possible the guy is from a very wealthy family or well yo do and it was the family that set him up .some months back i saw on a programme on NTA about a female taxi driver who was formally a banker but changed her proffesion to a taxi driver.when she was interviewed she admitted that it was even her dad who.purchased the car for her .thats how nigeria has turned out.for migration to reduce then the.govt has to do its own job.let d govt provide the enabling environment and u will see that migration will drop. bashing ppl who migrate is a heartless gesture cos its not their fault.

all what you wrote down are just excuses upon excuses

he is from a rich home,that and that,

it is easier for a child of a poor man to make it than a rich man child.

thebosstrevor:


all what you wrote down are just excuses upon excuses

he is from a rich home,that and that,

it is easier for a child of a poor man to make it than a rich man child.

nigeria is a failed country anyway

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
Education comes with success no doubt but please you would agree it's a cruise over there. The system works, like you schooling and earning 5k dollars per month to be paid every 2 weeks. My dear do you think anyone would wanna leave Nigeria if we had such system?

I know many married graduates surviving on less than 200 dollars per month in this country.

Everybody knows you can easier follow your dreams over there biko.

Tell her please and thank you!

thebosstrevor:


not every one but there are other skills anybody with sense can brand and make good cash.

Maybe telling your story might be more effective than berating everyone that comes along, tell them a little about these skills you've acquired and how you're cashing out and living big in Nigeria and maybe they can start seeing the bigger picture too.

thebosstrevor:
The reality is that this abroad ,many of you will not go there, if you like apply for visa till you die

you just have to face your reality and start building your life and country.

when you are young, you feel abroad is the place to succeed, the stress, the money and the energy, if you have used it in learning a very sell-able skills by age 30, you would have become very comfortable in Nigeria

but you guys use the energy in queuing for visas,patronizing agents( why are the agents not applying for visas) and not even getting the visas, then hopelessness and despair troop in,you start running from church to church, you became broke and desperate and then reality comes through by that time you are already 38,nothing to show for. that is the reality of many wanna be immigrant.

cool down, get your skills, work hard, sell your self and increase your bank account and you will be able to travel for holidays in that abroad.

You may never be able to even travel. Because you're not sure what the aviation industry is going to strike about tomorrow.
You can't be sure that when you have a knife cut, that tetanus injection you're getting isn't expired.
You can't really tell when your children will graduate because ASUU strike. If they do in record time from a private university, how do you know traveling on bad roads won't kill them?

You may get cancer from all the GMO Europe is dumping in Nigeria because NAFDAC, SON and the lot are busy with 'work'.

Do you really want to know why we leave?
So our children can have better opportunities.
We don't want them to write JAMB and PUTME and be denied admission they can get on merit.
We want to know that 911 can take our emergencies serious.
And as citizens of the country we immigrated to, we want to know our votes count.
Is that too much to ask??

lefulefu:
u talk like a politician.its obvious u a politicians child or a child of some moneybag.u ignorant of wat is happening in the country.

Thank you! Part of the privileged few we are talking about smh