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Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by toboy: 9:05pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
thebosstrevor: Like wise Bosstrevor. The appreciation is mutual 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by toboy: 9:33pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
justwise: Hey Justewise, First time I am ever getting a direct quote from you. Such an honour! It depends on the angle you see it from. Alot of immigrants are realising how difficult it is to raise children in the West. First, your generation will loose a greater part of their African identity and some parents do regret raising their children in the West. Suffice to say that raising your children here, they risk being white-washed and loosing important virtues such as family, respect for elders, community etc. which are very important to their core-identity and mental health. Secondly, a lot of parents are now contemplating if it is worth it to raise their children in an environment where they have the tendency and fear of being racialised right from childhood till their entire life. Whereas a person raised in Nigeria is sheltered away from racism or police brutality. One of the Nigerian family I met here suggest raising kids in Singapore. An environment where they can get good education and be sheltered away from racism and drugs. In terms of good education and health care you can definitely get them in Nigeria. There are international standard school systems in Nigeria depending on your socio-economic status. Some of the high school educational system in Nigeria pay higher tuition fees than a Canadian university, annually. You are right in terms of security, as I mentioned earlier Nigeria has a big security problem than it seems. The Western system is built based on "extractive principle". Their system will suck 80% from you, then give you 20%. It is important to consider and weigh all options carefully. Take US., for instance, only 10% of the elites in that country owns 77% of the country's wealth. This is a striking inequality that is worse off than Nigeria. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Nobody: 9:34pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
justwise: you are trying hard to justify people travelling out instead of building their own country. how will they fund those sectors with your contribution if you dont migrate? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Nobody: 9:36pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
Beautyaddy: i understand but it is just something we need to talk about. sometimes we need discussions and debate to understand people's motives 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Nobody: 9:45pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
leonard002: Marked it anywhere Nigeria is a useless country...person earn 19,800 nysc in a year its like 230k in a year of toiling... Now in just one month same person earn d same 230/k with happiness good weather and rest of mind.in Dubai ..in USA some earn twice that 230k in a week..n u one idiot will comennd say its not always greener at the other side |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by toboy: 9:45pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
Beautyaddy: Hey Addy, Perhaps the concept of "Modern day slavery" has changed meaning in the Nigerian context. However, it actually comes from the fact that indigenous groups, mostly Africans were sold and used as slaves in the West during the transatlantic slave trade. Whereas this physical forms of slavery no longer exist today, the West still find ways to dominate and neo-colonise less powerful nations, hence the term "modern day slavery". It appears ASUU strike is a very big issue right now due to unfair compensation between ASUU and the government. Hopefully, they call it off during the new year. However, I am lost as to how it qualifies in the "slave- slave master" context? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by justwise(m): 9:49pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
thebosstrevor: I honestly don't think you learned anything during your travels, What percent of Americans/British/Canadians population etc are immigrants and how much do you think they pay into the system? You don't have to live in Nigeria to be able to contribute |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Basher8583: 9:55pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
NONNYG: When I say you are a fraudster I know what Im saying. Its quite unfortunate that you will put you knowledge of basic html to this fraudulent use. BASHER8583 IS GAINFULLY EMPLOYED IN NIGERIA AND NOT LOOKING FOR A JOB. WOULD HAVE PUT IN A GOOD WORD FOR YOU TO GET A JOB IF YOU HAD ASKED BUT YOU SEEM TO LEAN TOWARDS FRAUD LIKE WHAT YOU JUST DID ON NAIRALAND FORUM BELOW. THATS IMPERSONATION....... typical FBI 1 Like
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Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by justwise(m): 9:59pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
toboy: You just jumped to a completely different topic which got nothing to do with your previous post. If you like raise your child in a church a bad child will be a bad child, days are gone when moral standard is higher in Africa, infact kids are more likely to be abused or raped in Africa with little or nothing to be done about it than in the west. |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Nobody: 10:07pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
justwise: why should i contribute to a society i dont live in what i know is that american citizen and Green Card Holder who go out of the country to work are suppose to pay both local and U.S. income tax 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Nobody: 10:10pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
justwise: interesting, i dont know what you are talking about i hope you know that drug abuse, police brutality, gun violence, rape is high in the US African moral standard are higher. why do you try so hard just to defend developed countries. you are basically jut obsessed with the western materialism and consumerism, 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by justwise(m): 10:12pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
thebosstrevor: Your level of thinking surprises me..definitely not in a positive way. |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by justwise(m): 10:14pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
thebosstrevor: That is definitely obvious. |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by toboy: 10:17pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
justwise:Lol! Nice! can you explain what you mean by the jumping to different topic? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Ugosample(m): 10:20pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
justwise: I read his comment and I was laughing hard to myself Africa don cast in that regard too What you think you are 'saving" your child from in the west is abundant in Nigeria Who would have thought 20 years ago that many Nigerians IN Nigeria will come out as homosexual and a cross dresser Today, it's rampant as for drug abuse, it's equally rampant (worse in the north tho) The wild life common amongst youths in the west is same in Nigeria So how do you think a child raised in Nigeria will automatically be better off JUST because he/she was raised in Nigeria Wherever you are, install proper values and manners and leave the rest... Flogging and brutality is not a sign of prpoee upbringing, especially if the youth still is a degenerate 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by toboy: 10:23pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
justwise: It is funny the way we Nigerians argue. . We like to make attacking comments yet we don't back our views with supporting comments. What is is this level of thinking? and why does it surprise you, in negative way? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Nobody: 10:25pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
justwise: you dont the laws but you just so proud of defending what you do know you know so much about other countries than your own, even those countries are putting laws to make sure you dont ever go there,racism is very high there, in europe, i havent seen 10 successful black men there but you know how to defend them with your might and strength. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Ugosample(m): 10:26pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
thebosstrevor: Africa has higher moral standards? ? This guy must be a joker With so much dishonesty and confusion, pretence and hypocrisy, you really think Africa is a better moral pedestal? You are tripping The first lie / training of dishonesty a lot of African parents instilk in their kids is.... you want to know it? I'll tell you "Segun, tell that man I'm not at home " You all know that lie The world is now something else, that's the truth And it's not specific to any region 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Ugosample(m): 10:32pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
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Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by toboy: 10:34pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
Ugosample:great points there! I haven't been in Nigeria lately, so you definitely know better as to how things are changing. However, it is also important to look into some of the points raised by individuals abroad too, cuz they know how it feels here too. I followed up the news with drug abuse in Nigeria. Correct me if I am wrong but it was Codein abuse with one of the cough medicine. When I complain of drugs here I mean cocain, Lysergic acid diethylamide, mushroom, edibles. etc.. Up to you to weigh which is more dangerous. Flogging and bruatality is not a sign of proper upbringing. I agree. Just for learning sake, what other suggestion would you recommend for proper upbringing? For homosexuality and cross dressing, Its because the Nigerian society does not tolerate such they hide in shame for something that is not their fault to begin. I think its better for those individuals to migrate to other places where they are accepted, if they can. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Nobody: 10:38pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
Ugosample: i am tired of arguing with people like you St lious, baltimore and chicaga are one of the most dangerous city in the world. you can continue defending from morning till evening , it wont change my world view |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Ugosample(m): 10:51pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
thebosstrevor: yea parts of Chicago are more dangerous than Lagos that one na true I'm not changing your world view tho Your worldview is just fine I really hope you guys passionate about change, change things one day 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by toboy: 10:52pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
thebosstrevor:It is really difficult especially when people won't be attentive to you due to pre-exiting biases and limited experience. But honestly, the benefit of having this sort of conversation is that people can get challenged on some of the issues they believe to be an entire truth. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Ugosample(m): 10:54pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
toboy: I still come to Nigeria from time to time tho Adey ground at the moment so I'm current As for the homosexuals We knew them in school, and they are proud of themselves check out bobrisky.... There are others, but just check that one out now now and see. People like him won't be bold 20 years back I'm very sure of that So NIGERIA is basically the same baby mama, gangs (they call it cult here) drug abuse, 419, etc etc |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Mizwisdom(f): 10:56pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
toboy: Ugosample doesn't live in Nig. he hasn't been here in ages. You can raise your kids how you want here with no one questioning your authority. You still encounter kids that fear adult, kneel to greet, prostrate, honor you as an adult. I live here. holding you to ransom, kids get x |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Ugosample(m): 11:00pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
toboy: Actions have consequences That's the best way to raise a kid..... From the beginning, every time! a child does wrong, make it clear that he has done wrong (reprimand) etc and let them face the consequences of their actions That way, the child will better I don't rule out flogging completely tho, as long as it is at a young age, and its done in a humane and not animalistic way. To me, flogging should be for SERIOUS OFFENCES but flogging day and night, all the time, for whatever is not the best 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Mizwisdom(f): 11:01pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
Ugosample: When you beat your child in Nig. can he or she call the police on u? when you do it abroad is it a possibility or not? So how can you say moral standards are the same? Police will help you discipline them @ ur request 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Ugosample(m): 11:01pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
Mizwisdom: I'm currently in naija tho How you dey na? |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by toboy: 11:02pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
Ugosample:he! he! Thanks for the suggestion |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Nobody: 11:04pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
toboy: exactly. many of the arguements are just based on confirmation bias. Reality hasnt struck on some of them, the embassies wont give every one visas, many of them will stay and die in Nigeria, the western world are tighten their immigration requirements, it shows that in the next 5-10 years it will be very difficult for many Nigerians to immigrate. now is the time for them to start building their country. |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Ugosample(m): 11:06pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
Mizwisdom: thsts not a good compass to measure morality in my opinion There are disciplined, as well as useless children aplenty in the west There are disciplined and useless kids in Africa too So as a parent, the onus is in you to raise your kids well And parents that are good examples and are role models are more likely to raise good kids than the "do as I say not as I do" parents |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think That They Can Only Make It Abroad? by Babyvet: 11:06pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
thebosstrevor: You have a point, immigration is becoming very hard these days and a lot of countries are becoming less immigrant friendly. 1 Like |
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