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Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by donnie(m): 10:39am On Dec 12, 2018 |
This is interesting. A rare case indeed, where the person criticising the gift actually does speak in tongues. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Because most of those who criticise it or say it isn't necessary do not speak with tongues. |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by donnie(m): 10:47am On Dec 12, 2018 |
jesusjnr: So only your own is genuine? Do away with that pride brother. The wind blew on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Ghost came. He didn't go back to heaven ever since, so why wait? What is required is readiness and hunger of the heart to receive Him by faith. And there are tongues of men and tongues of angels. Do not confuse the two. That's not to say one cannot supernatural receive ability to speak in a human language he never learned. I've heard from people who have experienced such. If a donkey could speak in the bible, why not man? 2 Likes |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 11:59am On Dec 12, 2018 |
Trizyd:My point with respect to speaking in tongues is that it could be known or unknown, because the Spirit of God who is supposed to gives the utterance can do both. So it's wrong for speaking in tongues to be observed as speaking in unknown tongues for that is tantamount to putting the Holy Spirit who ought to give the utterance in a box and trying to dictate to Him what to do. It's His job, so let Him decide whatever kind of utterance He so desires to give, for it would always be spiritually relevant. So let us focus on our own part which is to give Him a conducive and suitable environment for Him to do His job which He alone can do. As for the Bible which seems to be an obligation to you as it is to most of the church who view every word in it as the Word of God, I do not share such views, for I believe that there is also the word of men inside. Therefore I'm not under any obligation to such words which don't live up to the standard of the Word of the kingdom of God which Jesus brought to us, for that is the standard of my walk with God and also what I believe ought to be the standard of the church. So if the Bible is your standard as it is to most of the church, then that is expected. But mine is the teaching of Jesus and every other word that matches up to that standard. So I can disagree with any such occasion even though it is in the Bible, for I'm not under obligation to the Bible but to Jesus. |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 12:11pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
donnie:Maybe you know those who criticize the gift, but you're highly mistaken to include me in that list. You should know a thing or two about originals and fake, a gift is not fake but original. And I think it's high time the fake tongues left the church because it profits nothing. |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Trizyd(m): 12:34pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
jesusjnr: Thanks, I fully understand you now |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 1:00pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
donnie:Pride, really? The last thing the Holy Spirit can condone at this level? Certainly not! For i never said all were fake, for 99% is not 100%. Which means I believe that there are definitely genuine tongues in the church, only that they are so few compared to the false ones! donnie:You asked the question why wait, but you couldn't even wait for me to give you an answer myself as you virtually answered the question yourself: donnie: donnie:Maybe you are speaking in fake tongues here because this is an absolute fabrication of yours! donnie:It was a norm in the beginning for all living creatures to communicate vocally with each other, but this was one of the abilities that was lost as a consequence of man's disobedience. And that donkey didn't on it's own just develop the unusual ability to speak as it did on that occasion, for it was said that God opened its mouth, and hence the donkey was able to do that which it was able to do in the beginning. So why not wait for God to open your mouth as He did with the donkey, and also those of the first church in the respect of tongues, so that He can give you the ability to do what you cannot do on your own, such as to speak the one language as man was able to do in the beginning, even the ability that God gave to those of the first church who waited for the wind? Last, last, na your call. |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by donnie(m): 1:33pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
jesusjnr: So do away with it Asap jesusjnr: Do I blame you? Ignorance is your problem. 1Cor 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, ..." jesusjnr: The donkey spoke tongues of men on that occasion. When we speak in unknown tongues, we speak tongues of angels. Besides, we are not donkeys; we're the seed of Abraham to whom have been given all things. The Lord said, " ...open your mouth wide, and I will fill it. Psalms 81:10 We obeyed and he filled our mouths with heavenly tongues. Hallelujah! And that's a miracle. It doesn't have to be spectacular to be supernatural. It doesn't have to delay. God is more willing to give than we're willing to receive. Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Isaiah 28:11-12 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 1:55pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
donnie:Keep up with the deceit! That's why you'll never be like the first church. Of course you are very right to say that ignorance is my problem, because that's something I have in common with those of the first church: "In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, r and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight."Luke 10:21 (KJV) So it's obvious the church needs ignoramuses like myself that God has reveal such things to, not the wise and the prudent like yourself who He has hidden it from, that would be satisfied with lying in tongues because they are not willing to wait for the wind. Enjoy with your spiritually empty knowledge liar! |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by donnie(m): 2:27pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
jesusjnr: Cry cry baby... ![]() Don't you have any more scriptural backing for your theology? 1 Like |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 2:45pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
donnie:For you to be satisfied with the spiritual level of the present day church which is also reflected the extent of falsehood of spoken tongues, exposes you as one of those responsible for its loss of savor. But don't worry just a little while and all imposters as yourself who the devil has planted in my Master's church shall be uprooted. The ground work has only just started. Watch this space! |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by donnie(m): 3:08pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
jesusjnr: From where did you deduce the bolded? Is tongues now a measure of spirituality of the Church? Of course it is a great gift and necessary for every Christian who will live a powerful and effective Christian life. But it is not a measure of spiritual maturity. So rather than insult me for showing you the truth, why don't you start by repenting of your pride; then we can talk about spiritual growth. ![]() |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 5:27pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
donnie:Certainly! for if you didn't know before now at least you've learnt something spiritually valuable from the ignorant! The quality of tongues is a criteria to measure the quality of a church. For instance the tongues of the first church was of the highest spiritual quality, hence it is not a coincidence that, that same church is generally regarded as the model church for subsequent versions, inclusive of this one, for the spiritual quality of the church was at it highest level ever. And today you have the tongues of the lowest spiritual quality, therefore it's not by accident that this is the most savorless church ever, and the lowest in terms spiritual quality. So quality of tongues can also serve as a basis to gauge the spiritual level of the church, as well as other basis such as extent of sacrifice, the Word level which also determines the level of obedience, righteousness, and also the extent of works and other manifestations of the spirit. With respect your allegation of pride, it seems you didn't understand my speech earlier that no pride is not allowed here at my spiritual level, for the minimum requirement to be able to get here where I am is that one must have denied himself. So maybe when you speak of pride you should take a good look at yourself, because I don't think you can comfortably say that you have denied yourself, taken up your cross and followed Jesus, because if so then you would have better understood my language. So humble yourself and become as a little child first, otherwise you no go fit see out back, for no be by claiming imaginary right, because when it comes to the things of the spirit, if you no get am, you no get am. |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by donnie(m): 9:07pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
jesusjnr: You think you speak in tongues more than the Corinthian church? The Corinthians were full of spiritual gifts, yet they were carnal. Spiritual gifts are never the measure of spirituality. See how Paul addressed the Corinthian church... 1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 1 Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? You think you know bible? It's no use replying you further; my mission has been accomplished. From the conversation we've had so far, the truth is clear for all to see. Only those who like to be misled will be misled. NOTE: I didn't engage you on this thread with hope that you'll correct yourself after seeing glaring truth. I know your kind. Good bye. 1 Like |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 10:49pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
donnie:Your spiritual ignorance knows no limits. I truly feel for you because you you think you know, buy the fact that you have not been able to discern the truth concerning me despite the lengthy conversations, establishes the fact that you are spiritually blind, and are lacking knowledge of the kingdom of God. You remind me of the Pharisees who were concerned about John the baptist and Jesus, and thought that they were the ones on the wrong path because they brought the truth of their falsehood to light, but as Jesus said, "wisdom is justified of her children". You are concerned about someone who well respected in heaven and in hell, and also among little children who have more spiritual pedigree than the likes of you adults. You think I'm being misled? Corinthian church? My level is the level of the first church, which was before even the conversion of Paul, whose spiritual quality has not been matched because it was founded by Jesus upon the His Words which is the greatest ever treasure on earth and also the most solid foundation that any church can be founded upon, for those are the same Words that produced me. So please leave me the way I am, except you want me to become spiritually Insignificant as your words have exposed you to be. Maybe you are one of those that is being deceived by men's positive view of you which had misled to think that same also applies in heaven, but you should know that, "that which is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God"(Lk 16:15) So keep living in your deception like Satan, who dreads my spiritual quality, would have you do! Good riddance! |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by MuttleyLaff: 12:53am On Dec 13, 2018 |
donnie:donnie & jesusjnr, come now, and let us reason together 1/ Are you saying when we speak in unknown tongues, we speak tongues of angels? 2/ If yes, where and how did you get this pretty wrong idea from? 3/ To what purpose, and/or what's the reason for the need of speaking tongues of angels ? 4/ Why do tongues of angels have to be audible? 5/ Why have angels always communicated to man in human languages and never in tongues of angels? |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 2:31pm On Dec 13, 2018 |
Say no to fake tongues! |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by mcqwerty(m): 9:46pm On Dec 13, 2018 |
Jesusjnr and Donnie, You both sound like lawyers in a court-Plaintiff and Defense counsel arguing out a case. There will be no winner in this argument. You see only what you want to see. Open your minds. Do you have a personal revelation? |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 10:19am On Dec 14, 2018 |
Enough is enough for the fake tongues in the church! |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 3:42pm On Dec 15, 2018 |
All we are saying, no more fake tongues! |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 10:16am On Dec 16, 2018 |
Flee from fake tongues! |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 12:52pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
Don't do fake tongues, wait for the real one! |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Primesky(m): 2:00pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
OP God bless you. This topic has been a source of headache for me and an embarrassment as well. How can a fellow man teach another how to speak in tongues when that fellow is not even genuinely born again?. The truth will always prevail. Tongues are for the glory of God, and must therefore be directed or inspired by the Holy Spirit. Pretense can't add any value to the church. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 5:53pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
Thank you broda, you know how far. I know the Truth hurts a times but only the Truth can set people free. So we gats do our job men even though we may be very few and hence see ourselves swimming against the tide. For very few with God is majority! |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Hier(m): 6:43pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
JesusJnr, please explain what these verses means. 1 Corinthians 14:2 [b]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[\b] 1Cor 14:14 For [b]if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful[\b]. Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings [b]which cannot be uttered.[\b] |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 10:13pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
Hier:This is Apostle Paul opinion about speaking in tongues, so i'd give my own opinion about his opinion in this respect. Now this opinion of Paul concerning tongues is more or less responsible for the general misconception about tongues in church, and hence the consequent extent of false tongues In the church. And I am going to address that in my thread with respect to the many mistakes of Apostle later on, but I would still say a thing or two here concerning that. I have seen your comments in your thread about the church in the acts of apostles, so now may I ask which particular church were you talking about, if not this one? "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:1(KJV) Now do you know what a standard is? If yes, have you ever heard of any other church any other time in history, where such a thing ever happened, where all the people in the same church, at the same time, heard a sound as of a rushing mighty wind, and also saw visible cloven tongues as that of fire sitting on every one of them? I guess never, so what else should that tell you, but that, what happened right there was the Holy Spirit in the fullness of His presence. For you can also remember what happened with Jesus after His baptism right? the presence of the Holy Spirit was also visible, so that should already let you know that it was the same measure of the Spirit of God which was upon Jesus that came upon that very church. You should know where this is taking us to right? Yes, it is the spoken tongues, for if it was the Holy Spirit in the fullness of His presence, then it should also apply to the tongues that were spoken on that occasion, for those tongues were tongues of the highest grade. And yet the tongues were understandable by the persons who were present there, so if someone who wasn't there when this happened now comes and tells you that speaking in tongues means speaking mysteries and in unknown tongues, why should you believe the person even though he's an apostle of Jesus as Paul? I don't know if you went thru my first post before asking me to explain this sayings of Paul, because you should have know that I don't see tongues as unknown or known, but that I see it as the utterance of the Holy Spirit who can do both. So my point is that the Holy Spirit has the exclusive right to decide which utterance He wants to give, for He knows far better than we could ever do, and has far more ability than we could ever have, as He showed on the occasion of the first tongues. So why don't we just trust Him with our vessels, so that He could do whatever He likes, wants, and decides to do with it, as those of that first church did? Bro, see, let me be frank with you, if we don't do that, then your dream of today's church being as that of the church of the acts of the apostles would only remain a pipe dream. |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 2:19pm On Dec 18, 2018 |
Presence would never help the church. |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 12:29pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
Lies, lies, and more lies. |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 5:54pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
jesusjnr:Your parameter is vague, null and void. Your analysis are emotional |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 6:05pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
asuustrike1:Oh boy your shallowness precedes you. Wow you really ooze spiritual mediocrity, and you make it even more pronounced and obvious with your such reactions and speech. Tufiakwa! |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 7:38pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
jesusjnr:You are foolish because you know nothing. You are still a baby that knows nothing about life |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by Nobody: 7:53pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
asuustrike1:I don't blame you because you think wood can sharpen iron. Don't upgrade spiritually first, and think that you would be able to understand my spiritual language at your mediocre level. Mr Lukewarm look for your type! |
Re: About 99% Of The Tongues Spoken In The Church Are Fake! by StrikeBack(m): 7:57pm On Dec 20, 2018 |
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