Highlighted in red is universal health coverage with no private sector options in Canada. The private services which you refer to in the UK would be paid for by individuals either out of pocket or like you mentioned by their insurance but would not be covered financially by their NHS insurance.

dustydee:

There are private hospitals in the UK. Usually people prefer them to the NHS to avoid the long waiting times. Insurance companies will usually want you to go through the NHS first before using the service. spire is one of the hospital chains.

Guitarlife:

I am a bit confused by your stand in the bolded ?
1. Are you saying its okay to divorce ?
2. Are you a christian or muslim, its the holy book that says women should submit if you want to have a happy and long lasting marriage not me (Turns out the book is right as nations that have this order reversed have the highest divorce rates).
3. Each person has a choice to make, for me I have decided it is in my best interest to avoid women who want to stand up to their men. Are you saying there are no women even in the western countries who do not consider submission slavery ? Are you saying all the women abroad stand up to their men and form equality?
4. Lastly, are you inferring that the only set of women that submit are those that are financially handicapped ?
5 . I had to address the last bolded, Marriage for you may appear like an hobby or a to-do list but for some men, men like me its a lifetime commitment to support and remain faithful to one partner. Now you'd agree it will be tragic to get married to a lady who thinks she has the right to pop out of marriage at the slightest hint of unhappiness like you have posited she has a right to, ofcourse she does but I do not pray to meet such a woman in this life .
I pray for a woman who understands the sanctity of marriage and is ready to weather the storm even in those times when things will not be rosy, this is life and not a film or hollywood fantasy movie, challenges will come and such a woman with the mindset you described above will run.

men and women are not equalTF This is not it at all

kylexy61:
I'm really enjoying this conversation. After being in Canada for just 4 months, I understand the reason why concepts like "submission" and "authority" don't really apply in marriages here. Both are contributing equally to the marriage, so to them, both should submit to each other. Neither the male nor female enjoys a monotonous authority to make major decisions concerning the family.

If Naija women were to be given the same power as the Canadian women here, be rest assured the divorce rate in Naija may rise even higher than the Western countries.

The same is true for most marriages even in Naija. Infact, a lot of women earn more than their husbands in Nigeria because they add side businesses to their 9-5 jobs.

@guiterlife, I know where you can get the perfect wife, you know of David Koresh and Warren Jeffs right? Look for all those types of extreme religious communes and acquire a bride from there.
Submission 100%

Sthill5:
Hi Everyone

I just have a couple of questions in an effort to plan ahead. My family and I are still awaiting PPR

We have decided to settle in Regina Sask and my greatest worry is my spouse finding a job. He's in IT, mainly computer network/system technician.
Is it possible to start to job search from Nigeria?

Any pointers with regards to life in Regina and job search would be highly appreciated.
I'm an entrepreneur and I work from home so I plan to continue to leverage on that so I can have time for my children

Anyone Please

@guitarlife @azed1 @vcole @salford @panelofjudges @ouraudience

I'm not here to argue , this is just for the records and to provide some clarity regarding whatever position our debaters have taken.

Ephesians 5:22-33

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

1 Corinthians 11:3, 8-9

3. But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
8. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Peace!

maternal:


You think you're smart, but you really aren't. Stop personalizing this. I've never experience these things personally, but I have a lot of friends who have been in different types of marriages. So please answer these questions and stop running your mouth all over the place.

1. Give me a clear example how the man is the head of the household ?

2. What is the natural order ? Again I want a clear example.

3. What exactly is the man's and woman's God given roles ? Other than child birth. Again I need clear examples.

4. What exactly is spirituality at a low level? Again, I need a clear example. Don't dance around these questions.

LMAO!

Ifeoma77:
@guiterlife, I know where you can get the perfect wife, you know of David Koresh right? Look for all those types of extreme religious communes and acquire a bride from there.
Submission 100%

I can't see the clarity o.

DadR:
@guitarlife @azed1 @vcole @salford @panelofjudges @ouraudience

I'm not here to argue , this is just for the records and to provide some clarity regarding whatever position our debaters have taken.

Ephesians 5:23

23. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

1 Corinthians 11:3, 8-9

3. But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
8. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Peace!

Ifeoma77:
@guiterlife, I know where you can get the perfect wife, you know of David Koresh and Warren Jeffs right? Look for all those types of extreme religious communes and acquire a bride from there.
Submission 100%

I be coming for you Ifeoma , I will be waiting for you in Alberta

Ifeoma77:
@guiterlife, I know where you can get the perfect wife, you know of David Koresh and Warren Jeffs right? Look for all those types of extreme religious communes and acquire a bride from there.
Submission 100%

I be coming for you Ifeoma , I will be waiting for you in Alberta

Don't worry, the debaters will see it

daks02:
I can't see the clarity o.

Very interesting debate this morning . To all the matured responders...I greet you all.

_{Back to my reading and taking notes mode}

Guitarlife:

I be coming for you Ifeoma , I will be waiting for you in Alberta

You know what your prayer should be? Pray that you experience true love in your lifetime.
When you're completely and insanely in love with your wife, you won't know how to spell Authority and Submission.
Even if you discover that she's a witch, you'll affirm that - with all her witchery - you can't live without her.

You will hand over your mumu button with a smile
That's my prayer for you in Jesus's mighty name

aworldcitizen:
Anyone travelling on Ethiopian for Thursday? We Are light travellers and have unused luggage allowance. (4 check-in bags).

Incase anyone wants to use it.

Please I sent you a mail. Which airport are you taking off from? Lagos ph or Abuja?

maternal:


3. The point is things can/should be split 50/50. Why must it only be the woman to cook ? Men do not fend fully for the family in the west. Unless you're rich it's a 2 house income. The rest is taken out of context.

4. If one isn't religious or an atheist, this point of view is pointless to them. Because one was born into X religion doesn't mean they believe everything within the religion.

5. Ironically the demands some naija men put on naija women, they can't try that on the other nationalities "rushing" for them.

This is interesting!.
I understand as the husband it's your duty to help out your wife If you really love her. I would not want my wife overworked for any reason at all.
But insisting that there must be a roster for cooking, doing dishes and household chores is a no-no. Was that the way you and your hubby lived while here?! ...and I know you have to adapt, but that's why you should pray for and marry an understanding partner so they can step up without having to be chained.

To those men rushing out to support these strange views, while i am not sure if you are just trying to be politically correct, or trying to look good to some faceless people but there are gender roles-I hope you cook equal times as your wives do . Even in the so called "civilized countries "we are talking about. I would personally do all I can to help my wife out always, but we are never having any rosters.

It's my own opinion but I have this feeling you are embittered in some way, going by your responses so far, but I might be wrong.

Why must there be a head in a marriage? I believe any man fighting or clamouring for that position is insecure because if he were a man who is confident in His masculinity, he wouldn't mind sharing responsibilities with someone he has decided to share his life with. Marriage is a partnership because it requires the knowledge of two people to make it a success. All this talk of submission belong in a master/servant relationship.

pejuhazel:
Why must there be a head in a marriage? I believe any man fighting or clamouring for that position is insecure because if he were a man who is confident in His masculinity, he wouldn't mind sharing responsibilities with someone he has decided to share his life with. Marriage is a partnership because it requires the knowledge of two people to make it a success. All this talk of submission belong in a master/servant relationship.

there's no institution on earth and beyond without a head.
That said, the best for of leadership is by example. You have to make sure u marry somebody who deeply has your best interests.

Those are institutions where one person hires other people to work toward his/her own goal. A marriage is the decision of two people to come together to improve their lives, are you saying the husband is more experienced than the wife, hence his automatic appointment as the head?

Homguy:
there's no institution on earth and beyond without a head.
That said, the best for of leadership is by example. You have to make sure u marry somebody who deeply has your best interests.

I LOVE YOUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!

maternal:


The west has the highest divorce rates because woman have resources not to take nonsense from men here. You have many safety nets here which allow the women to be independent if she needs or chooses to be. In a 3rd world country, most women have no other option but to stay. Let Nigeria have a welfare system, government paid schooling for the kids, government paid healthcare for all, etc like Canada and see how fast women leave and divorce their useless husband. Along with a legal system that enforces the law if any domestic abuse occurs.

Why would a man want to force a woman to stay even if she's not happy ? Is it by force ? What kind of sick enjoyment would a guy have in such situations ? Abeg if she's not happy why can't/ shouldn't she leave ? The same man who marry's a "dedicated christian" is the same man who'll have multiple side chicks and maybe a baby outside the marriage. Hypocritical Africans and religion I swear. We men need to grow up. This sick backward thinking is why Africa is what it is today.

For what it's worth I hope all women here, crying that they are equal and must share house chores equally with their men on some roster or schedule,

I hope if've you landed, you actually did/ will do that.

I hope you called your husband , and told him "this is Canada , and here we are equall. Choose your house chores."

I hope you made him understand that since you moved to Canada he has ceased to be the head of the family.

It's appalling how the things we spurt/and vomit on faceless forums are totally different from the actual lives we live.
Please stop misleading people.

pejuhazel:
Those are institutions where one person hires other people to work toward his/her own goal. A marriage is the decision of two people to come together to improve their lives, are you saying the husband is more experienced than the wife, hence his automatic appointment as the head?

that's a very very weak argument,ma.


Please look around you, there are no institutions without a head.

Homguy:
that's a very very weak argument,ma.
Please look around you, there are no institutions without a head.

Actually, that was a brilliant point.
I was looking forward to your answer...

Ifeoma77:

Actually, that was a brilliant point.
I was looking forward to your answer...

No. It wasn't .

Mention one institution or community,or body or a group or gathering without a head/leader.



Now note: Being the head does not mean shirking, or not lifting a finger to help your followers or whatever you do decide to call em. A good leader cares deeply for people he leads. That where it comes naturally to share house chores with madam especially when she's exhausted, help with bathing the kids, these do not make a man less of a leader in the family.

Yes sir

Homguy:
that's a very very weak argument,ma.


Please look around you, there are no institutions without a head.

DadR:
@guitarlife @azed1 @vcole @salford @panelofjudges @ouraudience

I'm not here to argue , this is just for the records and to provide some clarity regarding whatever position our debaters have taken.

Ephesians 5:22-33

Peace!

marriage is a contract between 2 consenting adults. It does not have it’s roots in any religion. There were marriages before Christianity or any other organized religion and wayyyy before the bible was even written and we are 7 billion people in the world. Not all are christians. So does that mean that all other marriages between non christians are null and void? Nevertheless as a Christian, is it the belief that a male is made superior to a female? And even if we choose to agree that your God made males superior to females irrespective of the fact that they both have the exact same number of genetic chromosomes, how then does a male relate to another female that is not his wife? Should a non wife female also submit to another woman’s husband? The entire argument is flawed at it’s best. Like I said earlier, it is a mentality borne out of social conditioning and the need for the fulfillment of selfish interests. Most “head” men want a “neck” woman but will never want their own daughter to be a “neck”. Double standards.
This discussion no fit ever her head sha because last last this is a forum made up of mostly Nigerian males. Na so so submission and head and captain of ship plus religion we go dey read. We no go ever fit hear any logical reasoning as to why a 46 chromosome xy is superior to a 46 chromosome xx, because it doesn’t exist . Women need to be grateful sef than we no by mistake just get 45.9999999 chromosomes, e for don be for us be that.

What I've learned is that people who benefit from the flaws in society are never ready to accept that there may be some other way that benefits everybody.
They keep talking about washing plates and doing chores as if a grown man needs convincing to take care of himself and his surroundings.

Ifeoma77:

Actually, that was a brilliant point.
I was looking forward to your answer...

Nail on the head.

pejuhazel:
What I've learned is that people who benefit from the flaws in society are never ready to accept that there may be some other way that benefits everybody.
They keep talking about washing plates and doing chores as if a grown man needs convincing to take care of himself and his surroundings.

So all institutions should have a head who must be one that has a phallus?

Homguy:
No. It wasn't .

Mention one institution or community,or body or a group or gathering without a head/leader.



Now note: Being the head does not mean shirking, or not lifting a finger to help your followers or whatever you do decide to call em. A good leader cares deeply for people he leads. That where it comes naturally to share house chores with madam especially when she's exhausted, help with bathing the kids, these do not make a man less of a leader in the family.

Homguy:
For what it's worth I hope all women here, crying that they are equal and must share house chores equally with their men on some roster or schedule,

I hope if've you landed, you actually did/ will do that.

I hope you called your husband , and told him "this is Canada , and here we are equall. Choose your house chores."

I hope you made him understand that since you moved to Canada he has ceased to be the head of the family.

It's appalling how the things we spurt/and vomit on faceless forums are totally different from the actual lives we live.
Please stop misleading people.

not every woman is still doing living in bondage oh uncle. What you have stated above would be entirely unnecessary for couples who already respect each other as equals. Duties are assigned based on capabilities and not the presence or absence of a phallus.

Ifeoma77:

Actually, that was a brilliant point.
I was looking forward to your answer...

Partnerships have no head. An institution headed by two partners both can be equal with equal responsibilities, shares and votes.

And to set all records straight, maternal is a MAN lol. Maternal sorry if I messed with any fun you were having by keeping that info out of this particular gist.

I knew this whole place would light up once the Nigerians woke up lol.

Homguy:
No. It wasn't .

Mention one institution or community,or body or a group or gathering without a head/leader.

Now note: Being the head does not mean shirking, or not lifting a finger to help your followers or whatever you do decide to call em. A good leader cares deeply for people he leads. That where it comes naturally to share house chores with madam especially when she's exhausted, help with bathing the kids, these do not make a man less of a leader in the family.

Okay let's say I agree with you that every organisation, community, group or gathering must have a head.
Let's say I agree with you that a marriage cannot function without a clear head in charge.

Can you explain to me - logically - why that head must be the man?
Using your analogy, if in a marriage, the woman is more 'qualified' will you accept her as the head of the family? Since the only basis of your argument is that there must be a head.

pejuhazel:
What I've learned is that people who benefit from the flaws in society are never ready to accept that there may be some other way that benefits everybody.
They keep talking about washing plates and doing chores as if a grown man needs convincing to take care of himself and his surroundings.

Exactly!!
I've been lmfao here at the responses involving chores. That was not what Guitarlife was concerned about sef.
Anyone who doesn't want to wash plates should hire a maid, simple.
We're talking about demanding subservience and believing that your spouse should not question your decisions

Tojued:


Partnerships have no head. An institution headed by two partners both can be equal with equal responsibilities, shares and votes.

And to set all records straight, maternal is a MAN lol. Maternal sorry if I messed with any fun you were having by keeping that info out of this particular gist.

I knew this whole place would light up once the Nigerians woke up lol.

the thread has been too quiet lately joor, it's about time we argue small
Thank you @guitarlife