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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by budaatum: 4:58pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
Ranchhoddas:Reinhard Bonnke too is a fraud! BBC asked him to provide details of ten people he had healed but he refused so they got recordings of his shows in Earl's Court London, and tracked down people he claimed to have healed and found out none of them had been healed. Those in wheelchairs who had stood up at the time of healing had gone on to develop multiple fractions making their conditions worse, and a man who had claimed to have been healed of blindness said, "I thought I could see at the time, but I sure can't now"! I have got the time to check, and I'm afraid people are very gullible indeed! Below is Anthony Thomas's documentary. Miracles investigating him and Hinnes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJfaaPdP0kI 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Nwaikuku2(m): 4:59pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
Martinez19:Then who created us or should i say how does human, earth and all that in it came to exist? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by LordReed(m): 5:03pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
Ranchhoddas: What makes you certain it was at the church that the healing was effected? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Martinez19(m): 5:04pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
Nwaikuku2:Nobody knows who or what created everything that exists. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by budaatum: 5:17pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
Ranchhoddas:There is a thread on here about the fraudulent healing done in Oyakhilome's church. If I find it. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 5:22pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
hahn:How? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Ranchhoddas: 5:22pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
budaatum:SirJoh.n is the author. I know it. It changes nothing. My comments still. One fake does not take out the rest. The rest are my concern. It should not happen at all. 1 Like |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Ranchhoddas: 5:23pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
Martinez19:Yes. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by hahn(m): 5:24pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
johnydon22: What was your question again? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by budaatum: 5:27pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
Ranchhoddas:Well, unlike you, one is enough to make me wonder and research deeper. And my research suggests the position I hold is truer than the one you appear to just chose to believe. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Nobody: 5:31pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
LordReed: I get it.You're concerned with the wellbeing of animals.Animal-rights activism is not a bad idea. But,necessity precedes inventions. Futuristic activities are probably necessary. They are not SURELY necessary. So if some scientists are already doing stuff like that,it's simply because of their curiosity,"which could kill the cat" |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Ranchhoddas: 5:34pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
budaatum:Lol One is enough for you because you already have an idea of what God, miracles etc should. Once it does not conform to your preconceptions you dismiss in the usual atheist fashion. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by urahara(m): 5:43pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
hahn: Absence if evidence is not evidence of absence |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Nobody: 5:48pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
Ranchhoddas: Well, a lot has been said about miracles. Biblically, they happen like it's nothing.Actually, receiving a miracle is a miracle. Ultimately, I'm deep into the "Scriptures"and I have discovered that it is at war with reality.If only humans could change their locality. This planet is the epitome of "CRAP-ity" |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 5:52pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
LordReed:No. As i expected i am going to spend this comment repeating everything i said trying to bring you to understand these concepts and their philosophical implication. 1. I pointed lack as the evil. 2. I made a philosophical stretch by talking about desire which i made obvious on my post "if i am to make a philosophical stretch" which is another way of saying "i can also argue that desire is bad" which is not primarily my argument. LOL. How exactly do you desire something you already infinitely have? That is an absurd notion. You cannot desire happiness if there is no sadness. Sadness is a necessary evil that fuels the meaning of happiness. Are you sure you understand that opposing concepts derive meaning from each other because it is apparent that you don't. Oh i agree.
I am not sure you understand the implication of erasing the negatives. There is no desire to live if you live in a world where you can't die. Where is the desire for wealth in infinite wealth? A desire which in essence is made possible by the lack of that present time. If you are having sex it means that you can't be reading a book or doing any other thing you mentioned hypothetically, you do not lack them by principle of their unavailability but rather by principle of your incapability to do them at that moment in time. You see? for desire to exist in this your world, you must somehow fit lack into the equation because without it, there can't be desire. You need to think really carefully about these things, understand the consequentiality of concepts in effect. You are employing a principle of temporality derived from this world where lack is an inevitability. In a world where there is no lack, temporarily is unlikely. In this world, it is possible for a man with $100b to desire more money because $100b is not infinite. Such a person lacks $101b. But, a person with an infinite wealth is incapable of desiring more money. LOL. And these other ways i am sure will somehow be hinged on a certain form of lack. We study science today due to the inevitability of our doom, we invent technologies, to bypass the constant threat and horrors of this existence, an intrinsic purpose is derived naturally from such necessary evil as has been shown. LOL. These purposes are arbitrary assertions but an intrinsic purpose derived from the necessities of natural evils are reconcilable with reality. Example, tell me how? Mention 10 purposes in a world like heaven (I assume you know every characteristics of heaven) No. it doesn't, perhaps you simply don't grasp the profound depth of conceptual argument here. I can say, i did not argue it is intrinsically bad. But on a second note to also stretch i can also argue that it is in fact bad. Tell me why it is not bad? I have actually shown above how desire can be demonstrably posited as bad. In Buddhism, Desire lies at the foundation of every suffering and this is true. And if suffering is bad, then that which gives suffering power is the ultimate bad. Now, demonstrate to me how desire isn't bad. It is in fact an existential threat, why do you think we derived a sense of purpose to seek shelter and clothing? In a world where all you have ever tasted is ice-cream, you can't really appreciate ice-cream because there is no other taste to show you how special the taste of an ice-cream is. Here: You have experienced very bitter and sour tastes. You know how hot and dry your throat can get and the cold soothing feel of an ice-cream nullifies this effect, the sweetness of the ice-cream taste is made special by your knowledge of a less pleasing taste. Understand this, opposing concepts are only meaningful against each other. There is no good if there is no evil, so the very meaning of good is based on the actuality of evil. Evil is just as necessary as good which i have over and over shown. You have not successfully shown us the practicality of this your no evil world. We lose meaning without the existence of negatives. What is happiness without sadness? What is joy without pain? What is sweetness without bitter? Meaning is derived from opposites. Lack is a natural evil. Desire is the fuel on which suffering from lack burns. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 5:53pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
hahn:Hahahahahahahahaha i give up. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by budaatum: 6:04pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
Ranchhoddas:My dear man, one is not enough for me! I've been at it since I was 7 and people like you were claiming Oyinbo rats talk. Surely you don't think I have not grown since then! You dismiss me in a "usual atheist fashion", yet I bet you'd claim you are not an atheist! For your information, any atheist, or anyone for that matter, who refuses to see the evidence for want of sticking to preconceptions, is blind. The cure is mud that is spat on and rubbed in the eye! |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Ranchhoddas: 6:20pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
budaatum:No wahala! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Nobody: 6:30pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
johnydon22: Are you guys really doing this? "Good" and "Evil" are just words.Reality is a bitch and these arguments can't fix that. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 7:00pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
HellVictorinho:ok |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by LordReed(m): 7:42pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
HellVictorinho: I am still not seeing what your objection is. Is it that we should not seek solution, can you answer that clearly? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Nobody: 8:06pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
LordReed:I think OP has done justice to the principle of polarity, which is also related to the principle of correspondence in philosophy. Good forces will always be balanced by evil forces in our world of duality. Good people, scientists, etc. strive to join the former group and bad ones associate with the latter. It's all a matter of choice, one that comes with consequences. Recognising the fact that good and bad are relative, and not universal, doesn't mean one should condone evils and not seek ways of eradicating them. But an utopian world, devoid of evils and bad things, is unrealistic and is only attainable in reverie. 2 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 9:10pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
gensteejay: I thought this was apparent. Anyway, I was even referring to a kind of evil we regard as natural evil. LordReed seem to not grasp how opposing concepts are only meaningful together. Remove one and the other is simply meaningless. A Utopian world is simply absurd. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by hahn(m): 9:20pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
johnydon22:
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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Nobody: 9:22pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
johnydon22:Yea. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by hahn(m): 9:22pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
urahara: Absence of evidence is absence of evidence
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Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by LordReed(m): 10:08pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
johnydon22: What you don't seem to grasp is I understand but I do not agree with it. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Nobody: 10:15pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
LordReed:OK. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by LordReed(m): 10:15pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
gensteejay: Only when one is considering absolutes like religious people do. If as you say it is all relative then a utopia that has relatively eliminated evil is a possibility. I don't believe in a heaven concept so I cannot be considering an absolute perfection, a world like that as johnydon22 has pointed out is a dead one. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by Nobody: 10:26pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
LordReed:Ok |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 10:27pm On Dec 31, 2018 |
LordReed: So, imperfection Aka Mr inevitable evil(natural evil or man-made evil) is necessary then? ![]() All I did was demonstrate the necessity of evil by showing a world without evil is purposely dead. Thank you ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Are The Problems Of An Atheistic Position? by LordReed(m): 12:04am On Jan 01, 2019 |
johnydon22: You demonstrated just how terrible absolutes are, I don't think that was ever in doubt. |
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