No answer?

the bible actually meant the physical body

josh123:
the bible actually meant the physical body

Or Josh123 interpret it to mean physical body.

Am forced to ask: who died .. The person or his body ?

josh123:
the bible actually meant the physical body

Yeah right.

And how do you know ? After all , your ancestors only came into contact with the bible about 100 years ago or less , and the book is a Jewish book , and the Jews believe that once dead, totally dead.

You have been tricked.

Peacefullove:


Or Josh123 interpret it to mean physical body.

Am forced to ask: who died .. The person or his body ?

the body died but d soul lives on

josh123:
the body died but d soul lives on

To answer my question: are u saying the soul is the person and the person never dies ?

Peacefullove:

To answer my question: are u saying the soul is the person and the person never dies ?

the soul is what drives d body,when d body is dead the soul lives on in another dimension or realm

Peacefullove:

To answer my question: are u saying the soul is the person and the person never dies ?

the soul is what drives the body,when d body dies the soul lives on

Meaning that the bible was not referring to the physical body.

It's another frivolous thread, I think.

For atheists, of which you may be one, there is no such thing as the spiritual. But for believers, the spiritual is just as real as the physical. And it was believers who wrote the Bible as they were inspired by God. So, you are making a straw man.

Man is a spirit who lives in a body (Genesis 2:7). As such, physical death only affects the body, not the spirit which is the real person.

So, that part of the Psalms does not contradict the doctrine of an afterlife in the Bible.

Ihedinobi3:
It's another frivolous thread, I think.

For atheists, of which you may be one, there is no such thing as the spiritual. But for believers, the spiritual is just as real as the physical. And it was believers who wrote the Bible as they were inspired by God. So, you are making a straw man.

Man is a spirit who lives in a body (Genesis 2:7). As such, physical death only affects the body, not the spirit which is the real person.

So, that part of the Psalms does not contradict the doctrine of an afterlife in the Bible.

Spirit wey get flesh & blood , na which kain spirit be that?
Fafafa foul !!!!

josh123:
the soul is what drives the body, when d body dies the soul lives on

U didn't answer my question

If the soul could LIVE independently without the body, does that not mean soul is the person himself?

Ihedinobi3:
It's another frivolous thread, I think.

For atheists, of which you may be one, there is no such thing as the spiritual. But for believers, the spiritual is just as real as the physical. And it was believers who wrote the Bible as they were inspired by God. So, you are making a straw man.

Man is a spirit who lives in a body (Genesis 2:7). As such, physical death only affects the body, not the spirit which is the real person.

So, that part of the Psalms does not contradict the doctrine of an afterlife in the Bible.

Using Jesus as a case study.

Are you now saying Jesus ( Real person ) Never died , ordinary body died ?

Peacefullove:


U didn't answer my question

If the soul could LIVE independently without the body, does that not mean soul is the person himself?

yes d soul is d petson,the body is just a vessel specifically designed for that person only

josh123:
yes d soul is d petson,the body is just a vessel specifically designed for that person only

So going by that ... The person called Jesus didn't die for anyone's sin , just an ordinary vessel died ?

Peacefullove:


So going by that ... The person called Jesus didn't die for anyone's sin , just an ordinary vessel died ?

he is not ordinary, he died and he rose up ,he died for our salvation

josh123:
he is not ordinary, he died and he rose up ,he died for our salvation

What died ... Jesus ( real person ) or Body ( ordinary vessel ?

Peacefullove:


What died ... Jesus ( real person ) or Body ( ordinary vessel ?

he died (the body)then he rose back again

josh123:
he died (the body)then he rose back again

U can't fool anyone here . which one is he died ( body ) ... He refers to a person. And body is just a vessel , so how can u use both in the same context ?

Are u aware you just contradicted yourself by saying again that He ( person ) is the body ?

Seems you are confused, simple question - did the person ( Soul ) called Jesus die or ordinary vessel ( Body ) died ?

Peacefullove:


U can't fool anyone here . which one is he died ( body ) ... He refers to a person. And body is just a vessel , so how can u use both in the same context ?

Are u aware you just contradicted yourself by saying again that He ( person ) is the body ?

Seems you are confused, simple question - did the person ( Soul ) called Jesus die or ordinary vessel ( Body ) died ?

the body died

josh123:
the body died

Ordinary body dies.

Consequently that means the person called Jesus Never died for anyone , agree?

Peacefullove:

Ordinary body dies.

Consequently that means the person called Jesus Never died for anyone , agree?

read ur bible,it seems u are trying to make mockery of christianity

josh123:
read ur bible,

Since you have read your bible , give an answer
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Ordinary body dies.

Consequently that means the person called Jesus Never died for anyone , agree?

Janosky:


Spirit wey get flesh & blood , na which kain spirit be that?
Fafafa foul !!!!

Oga, please read what is actually written.

Peacefullove:


Using Jesus as a case study.

Are you now saying Jesus ( Real person ) Never died , ordinary body died ?

Is it your opinion then that physical death is no big deal since it is only the body that dies?

Ihedinobi3:

Is it your opinion then that physical death is no big deal since it is only the body that dies?

Not my opinion but common sense , Abandoned skin of a Snake doesn't mean the real snake itself is dead . You are now making death to look like shedding a Skin or Body, the big deal is the real person isn't dead . So Jesus never died for anybody's sin, he just shed his skin ... Agree?

Peacefullove:


Not my opinion but common sense , Abandoned skin of a Snake doesn't mean the real snake itself is dead . You are now making death to look like shedding a Skin or Body, the big deal is the real person isn't dead . So Jesus never died for anybody's sin, he just shed his skin ... Agree?

So, basically, physical death is no big deal, is what you are saying, isn't it?

Ihedinobi3:

So, basically, physical death is no big deal, is what you are saying, isn't it?

of course, you only shed your skin like a living snake does . So Christ never died for anyone, only his shed skin dies . comprehend?

Peacefullove:


of course, you only shed your skin like a living snake does . So Christ never died for anyone, only his shed skin dies . comprehend?

In a relative sense, you are right that physical death is not that big of a deal, because the real "us" is the spirit that will live forever. This is why the Lord Jesus tells us not to fear those who kill the body but cannot do more than that. But in an absolute sense, physical death is an unpleasant anomaly. We were not created for physical death (Genesis 2:17; 2 Corinthians 5:4). Our body is precious to us because it is a covering, like a garment or a house, for our spirits (2 Corinthians 5:1-5). Without them, we are naked: for this reason, even at death we are given an interim body, a sheath for our spirits as we await Resurrection (2 Corinthians 5:3 in Greek; Revelation 6:9-11) when we will receive new bodies - for the Righteous, powerful bodies that shine like stars forever and will be capable of far more than these weak ones we have now are (1 Corinthians 15; Daniel 12:2-3), and for the unrighteous bodies suited to eternal punishment (Daniel 12:2; John 5:28-29). So, physical death is still a big deal, in and of itself. If it were not, murder would not be a problem in God's Eyes or man's.

As for the Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus, of course it matters that He was killed physically because His physical Death was unjust. He was not a criminal. He never blasphemed, as the Jewish authorities pretended that He did, and He never fomented rebellion against the Romans as they accused Him of. He was murdered by Jewish and Roman authorities for His Love of the Father and for His Zeal for the Truth. But His Sacrifice for us was spiritual, not physical. The Price that He paid for our sins was His Spiritual Death, which He suffered for three terrible hours while still physically alive on the Cross (Matthew 27:45-46, 50; Mark 15:33-34, 37; Luke 23:44-46; John 19:28-30).

After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), “I thirst.” A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth. When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
John 19:28-30 ESV

The famous "tetelestai" was uttered only after the events recorded in the Matthew, Mark, and Luke accounts. The thing that had been accomplished or "finished" was the Work of our Salvation. It was only after He had paid the Price that He exhaled His human spirit and gave up His physical Life.

Peacefullove:


U can't fool anyone here . which one is he died ( body ) ... He refers to a person. And body is just a vessel , so how can u use both in the same context ?

Are u aware you just contradicted yourself by saying again that He ( person ) is the body ?

Seems you are confused, simple question - did the person ( Soul ) called Jesus die or ordinary vessel ( Body ) died ?

He just realized that he has been fooled, so he is resorting to dissonance...

Ihedinobi3:

In a relative sense, you are right that physical death is not that big of a deal, because the real "us" is the spirit that will live forever. This is why the Lord Jesus tells us not to fear those who kill the body but cannot do more than that. But in an absolute sense, physical death is an unpleasant anomaly. We were not created for physical death (Genesis 2:17; 2 Corinthians 5:4). Our body is precious to us because it is a covering, like a garment or a house, for our spirits (2 Corinthians 5:1-5). Without them, we are naked: for this reason, even at death we are given an interim body, a sheath for our spirits as we await Resurrection (2 Corinthians 5:3 in Greek; Revelation 6:9-11) when we will receive new bodies - for the Righteous, powerful bodies that shine like stars forever and will be capable of far more than these weak ones we have now are (1 Corinthians 15; Daniel 12:2-3), and for the unrighteous bodies suited to eternal punishment (Daniel 12:2; John 5:28-29). So, physical death is still a big deal, in and of itself. If it were not, murder would not be a problem in God's Eyes or man's.

As for the Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus, of course it matters that He was killed physically because His physical Death was unjust. He was not a criminal. He never blasphemed, as the Jewish authorities pretended that He did, and He never fomented rebellion against the Romans as they accused Him of. He was murdered by Jewish and Roman authorities for His Love of the Father and for His Zeal for the Truth. But His Sacrifice for us was spiritual, not physical. The Price that He paid for our sins was His Spiritual Death, which He suffered for three terrible hours while still physically alive on the Cross (Matthew 27:45-46, 50; Mark 15:33-34, 37; Luke 23:44-46; John 19:28-30).

After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), “I thirst.” A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth. When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
John 19:28-30 ESV

The famous "tetelestai" was uttered only after the events recorded in the Matthew, Mark, and Luke accounts. The thing that had been accomplished or "finished" was the Work of our Salvation. It was only after He had paid the Price that He exhaled His human spirit and gave up His physical Life.

Read Ecclessiatics 12 :7 and psalm 104:29-31... Tell me what you think about it....