absoluteSuccess:


First, Yoruba tradition is not in any way designed to help or emphasize any kemetic, Hellenic, Hamitic, hebrew, canaan or arabic tradition, so there is no acceptable straightforward correlation without some scrutinizing for a scholar or non scholar alike who may want to use any item sourced from Yoruba pantheon to establish a conclusion beyond reasonable doubt in any application; be it historical, religious, scientific or humanities et cetera.

For instance, you have to understand that the god of iron, ogun was a mortal transformed to a god by modern Yoruba scholars. But when he lived, he was a militia and a keeper of an anvil: "Ogun onile aro". By his name Ogun, you can deduce his personal attribute and go with any of your choice description as his identity:

ogun, meaning, crusher (agbede-ogun: copper-smith)

Ogun: meaning, handsome (o gun rekete, very nice to look at)

ogun; meaning, crush, (o gun, to be smitten by look, to be very handsome)

These names above are disambiguation, meaning you don't need to read any sentimental or religious meaning whatsoever to the name.

In the same Yoruba pantheon is esu, the god of trickery in modern Yoruba. Behind that name also is a mortal being that has once lived and was a popular figure renown for her unpopular and "devilish" actions so to say. now what does the name esu connote, free of the gift of biblical or traditional histrionics? esu means heaps, [ake]su [punch and] mould, esu, dark, esua, black beauty, sujo, compact [together], suon, beautiful.

Stunners

In Ogun, you find out that the name connotes a masculine with good look, warlike and metallurgical attributes. The true bearer was a coppersmith, (agbede, a gbe ide, copper carver) the word also connote farmer '(agbe) and hunter (ode: arepa n'togun) these are the true profession of the man Ogun.

In esu, you never see anything devilish but dark, beauty, compact, cloud (as when its about to rain). Esu was first a name of a person who became popular and was often discredited. About her is the saying, Esu Beleke: ultimately from the folksong, beleke beleke o baba esu, beleke. Esu was a child of Beleke.

Another name for beleke is Obe, so it is said, "Obe b'elesu, b'esu, omo tori ogun wa ye". I want to think Elesu is either a sibling of esu or its a repetition of esu as the child of Obe. Did the biblical devil has this in his oriki as well? If so, what's the significance of beleke to Esu's oriki?

Now what we are doing with the word "esu" in "Christendom" is what our fathers did with most of their historical words. They rubbished them in angst or lack of deeper knowledge. Likewise, we do overpraise and transfer one hero from its origin to where we prefer them to be from, hence Oduduwa for instance was never seen to have been to Lagos, meanwhile it was where Yoruba migrants anchored on arrival.

Moreso, "the god of iron" is not Yoruba thought system, its just Ogun, there is no "god" in Yoruba, its "orisa". Orisa is not equal to god. In the same vein, Esu is not the original devil, but our fathers superimposed "the devil" on the identity of Esu whose name was Lanroye (or Laroye, founder of Osogbo) Arogbo. Sango did not emit flame from her mouth, she was a woman, not a cross dresser, not gay.

Yoruba Watchers' Tradition

The Yoruba tradition is remarkably at home with what obtains everywhere around her, and also in touch with what you have at the Levant culture. The coptic/Aramaic/hebrew projection of both the good and bad angels finds expression in Yoruba: "irin, the watchers, the holy ones" derived from hebrew, 'er' translates to watchful angels: irin is part of the word owonrin, "the migrants" in Yoruba, where 'irin' is 'migration', as found in "erin moje omo sa aja".

Irinwo is 400, the total number of Yoruba watchers, imoleh. Irinwo sounds like 'iron-falling', as wo means fall. There were 200 fallen angels. Awon Awo literally means the seers "ori" or "the watchers" awo. Yoruba word imaleh means malah in Coptic, irin in Aramaic, egregori or angelos in Greek. This is to demonstrate that the Yoruba were very familiar with the thinking of the writer of the book of Enoch and the watchful angels, the angels that keep watch over the people, as was Michael.

The Yoruba fallen Watchers, the Yoruba Demon

The implication of this is that Yoruba tradition is also familiar with esu, the devil. The Yoruba is privy of fallen demons in its archaic or ancient form, Eriwo is akin to eriwoyah. The term is meant to confirm that the word "eriwo" pertains with "Yah". Meanwhile, when the Yoruba says "awon omo eriwo," it simply means violent or dangerous folks. Perhaps, these were the men of status, the nephilim in Yoruba world. "Eriwo" on its own is akin to the fallen watchers.

But there is a distinction of some sort nonetheless. Awo, this stands for watcher, and amawo were people who knew the watcher, the priests of Ifa are so called babalawo, "fathers at watch". "Awon awo" are "the guild of watchers". But then the word "eriwo" connotes fallen angels proper, as it seems to mean eri-wo, meaning, "horn-headed", eri (head) wo (horn). The antithesis to this is the word "iwori" put more aptly in "awo-ri", what's more, eriwo-ya sounds like "horn-headed, disperse!" And that's what the Awos says when they are in procession. I also believe this to be ambiguous though, as it also connotes [a]riwo Yah, as in HalleluYah.

The Yoruba tradition is a celestial arrangement of some sort, with the migrants using angelic terminologies to assign roles to different offices of the migrants and their leaders as it still survive till date. The founding fathers were imale, malech, angels, watchers, awon awo, who descended from heaven unto earth. They employ this arrangement because, their migration was conceived as divine, with heavenly or celestial appeal being their commonwealth and worldview, not borrowed from anywhere, but shared with their source.



Esu as saviour is my take. One man's hero is another man's villain. The ancient Yoruba was polarized into two when the going got tough, the populace were angry with Osun (Osogbo, Osugbo) who was their mother superior, they described Osugbo as esu, who was blamed to have brought all the evil they went through in the epoch of their migration upon them as would a fallen angel.

Meanwhile, others acknowledge her talent and intellect, reckoning her as a saviour in her own right. Thus, the attributes of the original devil rub off on esu, as much as that of the saviour. Albeit, when you say 'Yesua ', it means 'Yah is my salvation' in hebrew. Yet Esua is a name in Yoruba liturgy that means esu wa (black beauty, pretty devil if you like) and egba at the same time. The angle that means saviour can be explored.

Jesu/Esu

The ancient Yoruba were familiar with Yesua or Esua as evidence in 'esusu', saving, salvation. The Yoruba have their concept of 'salvation' and saviuor ('egba tii gbani l'owo isoro'/ 'olori olugbani') thus they named their kids based on this at early time in their history. Esu was therefore a household name as it equally means "shady/black" before the arrival of universal religion.

What Olu made of that post you quoted is that esu(a) is a Yoruba form of the word Yesua, which is the hebrew cognate for the Anglicized name "Jesus", not that the original devil is a saviour. Oju Esu is the same as Oju Elegba, Esu is called Elegbara, meaning, saviour of (her) kindred. Esua is the historical figure now held linguistically captive in the same name of the original esu, the devil. We're meant to set her free. Esu is therefore a kind of duality unequally yoked together.

When the Yoruba says "obinrin l'aje obinrin l'esu", they were making reference to the identity of Esu, the consort of Orunmila. This is because Esu is another word for Odu, the black matriarch, that is Odu, Eleyinju Ege. Her real identity as human being is preserved in this version of her name.

Oore yeye Osun.

ImperialYoruba:




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Happy New Year my brother.

The yeye mods in politics are useless. Worse than the ones in culture. When i want them to ban me they will not. It doesnt matter what extent I will go with bigotry they will ignore me. But the f00ls, creeping freaks, the moment an important and controversial topic is on board they will kick me off, sometimes use bot to ban me. Im still very annoyed with them. I wanted to come here when I saw this post from you few days ago and comment when it was still hot but i couldnt participate because the clowns choose the freaking wrong time to ban me. I wanted to comment on the AMCON saga when it was hot!!! And i couldnt. Ooohhhh! Its so annoying but i try to be cool and smile to push out the annoyance. Walahi!

I tell you brother you are an excellent writer and blessed with good penmanship. You write eloquently and with plentiful retrospective and deep insight. Ive enjoyed many of your posts but this is about the best ive seen.

God bless and reinforce you with more enlighenement.

Quite honestly i dont even know where to start, this thing is no longer hot...my impulse is not as spontaneous and sharp since I couldnt reply when i wanted to. Mmmtcccheew...


You do know Yoruba had nomads back in the days? Anyway, thats story for another day. The Aworis split in Ife. Some went as priests with Oranmiyan to Benin and remained there. Some went to Lagos and remained there. The ones that werein Benin had a split also and some ended in reunification with their kits in Lagos.

Beleke Esu
Belekesu
Bilikesu
Bilikisu
Biliqisu
Biliqis
Bilqis
Balqis

Oori pe were ni larubawa. Awon olosha, oni jibiti. They stole words originally Yoruba cut out the volwels and gave misinformation about it.


What highlited in your post is very important. There are three ancestral characters, they are smartly evolved into new stories. Olugbani, Ejilu, Malaki. In Yoruba they were immortalized into Adamu Orisa and Eyo.

Im not going to talk about these ancestors. If i did people will sh.it in their trousers.


Do you know Abraham waz an Aramean? Thete were two prominent Labans in Bible. One was father of Leah and Rachel, the two sisters that Issac's Akobi (Jakobi) married. Check this out, Jacob and these girl sisters were first cousins.
He had children with them. Jacob's mother, Rebekah, is sister to Laban.
Now check this...there is another Laban (Albani) in the Bible. Laban, Jacob's uncle was an Aramean but not a priest of God. The second Laban was a cult priest and the name became synonymous with white and purity. He mysteriously dissapeared, or perharps gained new status and name...but no one could trace him through biblical genealogies, as important he was. He carried the bag of secret for the cult and responsible for divination.

This Laban "the white", carrier of the secret pouch, also called Albani....we got Olugbani. In his time his contemporaries were Elijah and Malachi.

Do you know Lagos and their Eyo very well?

Efunyemi Olugbani was said to be married to King of Lagos. After her death....dissapearance, her brothers Malaki and Ejilu brought Adimu Orisa (Orisa Adimula) to celebrate her.

Adimu was a cult. With time they added other cults and expanded the outing. Eventualy the Orisa outing added fanfare and what is known as Eyo.

In that Eyo itself there is a secret cult pouch that must be borne on the day of Eyo. That pouch is named Laba. The Eyo fraternal group that bears the Laba (Akolaba) is what today is called Okolaba.

This Yoruba we speak and its culture is the one spoken in Afroasia and all Middle East....origin of our ancestors. When we left ...when we were displaced. The thieves thag took over our lands assimilated our language and bastardized it with their vernaculars to result in vast differences and at first when you look at words like Ijora (...Ajiran rendered in its Yoruba original) against the fake version...Hijra (Hajirun) you are less likely to believe common origin for both.

We go talk more my brother....i no wan miss the agonyin beans this morning abeg, make i siddon outside.

hayoholla:


shed more light brother. we want to learn

ImperialYoruba:


Shed more light on what? You cant just come in and say "shed more light". Bro, you have to be specific. Do you know how far this discussion has gone and the many areas that it has touched? Bro help me out and say specifically where you need more light. This is serious stuff bro, stop joking around.

Opiletool:
Yet people say "esu mase mi, omo elomi ni o se"
How the hell was he a saviour then?
I do not subscribe to that idea of esu being jesus. Besides not everything Yoruba must have a Hebrew equivalent. We should have some form of originality.

hayoholla:


lol, I have been on this thread since the day it was birthed. I only asked you to shed more light on your angle of Hebrew/Yoruba connection. absolutesucces, Mr olu317, obalufon et all has thoroughly done justice. we want to learn from you too sire

Olu317:
Opiletool,
Esu ma sè mi Omo élo mi ni o sè is a modern Yoruba proverb in the context of archaic Yoruba language, because Esu being dented as Evil came through the written dictionary of Samuel Ajayi Crowther. In fact, Chief Ebenezer Obey, made it more popular in one of his Evergreen Album. And this is the greatest challenge for us all to right this wrong this thing. Sometimes, many people read the bible find hard to comprehend because ‘el' the mighty power create and destroys. What do you call such Almighty Powerful God? .

Esu is a name which mean savior from the angle of Early Hebrew translated books. And I am sure you are familiar with the word savior,which is an English word name for Hebrew's Esu(Jesus). Well, the personality of Jesus says of him as the power that allow good and bad on the earth .

The other interesting angle is that the name of savior Biblical Joshua-Esua,who was the first man to bore the name in the Bible. Funny enough,Joshua is an English variation of Yesua-Esua,which mean, ‘Savior'. As surprisingly it is, Yoruba history also had Esu who are two different personalities; one who lived as a man and the other personality Esu whose spirit protect or saves Yorubas.

Opiletool:


OK.
Thank you for your time!

ImperialYoruba:




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Happy New Year my brother.

The yeye mods in politics are useless. Worse than the ones in culture. When i want them to ban me they will not. It doesnt matter what extent I will go with bigotry they will ignore me. But the f00ls, creeping freaks, the moment an important and controversial topic is on board they will kick me off, sometimes use bot to ban me. Im still very annoyed with them. I wanted to come here when I saw this post from you few days ago and comment when it was still hot but i couldnt participate because the clowns choose the freaking wrong time to ban me. I wanted to comment on the AMCON saga when it was hot!!! And i couldnt. Ooohhhh! Its so annoying but i try to be cool and smile to push out the annoyance. Walahi!

I tell you brother you are an excellent writer and blessed with good penmanship. You write eloquently and with plentiful retrospective and deep insight. Ive enjoyed many of your posts but this is about the best ive seen.

God bless and reinforce you with more enlighenement.

Quite honestly i dont even know where to start, this thing is no longer hot...my impulse is not as spontaneous and sharp since I couldnt reply when i wanted to. Mmmtcccheew...


You do know Yoruba had nomads back in the days? Anyway, thats story for another day. The Aworis split in Ife. Some went as priests with Oranmiyan to Benin and remained there. Some went to Lagos and remained there. The ones that werein Benin had a split also and some ended in reunification with their kits in Lagos.

Beleke Esu
Belekesu
Bilikesu
Bilikisu
Biliqisu
Biliqis
Bilqis
Balqis

Oori pe were ni larubawa. Awon olosha, oni jibiti. They stole words originally Yoruba cut out the volwels and gave misinformation about it.


What highlited in your post is very important. There are three ancestral characters, they are smartly evolved into new stories. Olugbani, Ejilu, Malaki. In Yoruba they were immortalized into Adamu Orisa and Eyo.

Im not going to talk about these ancestors. If i did people will sh.it in their trousers.


Do you know Abraham waz an Aramean? Thete were two prominent Labans in Bible. One was father of Leah and Rachel, the two sisters that Issac's Akobi (Jakobi) married. Check this out, Jacob and these girl sisters were first cousins.
He had children with them. Jacob's mother, Rebekah, is sister to Laban.
Now check this...there is another Laban (Albani) in the Bible. Laban, Jacob's uncle was an Aramean but not a priest of God. The second Laban was a cult priest and the name became synonymous with white and purity. He mysteriously dissapeared, or perharps gained new status and name...but no one could trace him through biblical genealogies, as important he was. He carried the bag of secret for the cult and responsible for divination.

This Laban "the white", carrier of the secret pouch, also called Albani....we got Olugbani. In his time his contemporaries were Elijah and Malachi.

Do you know Lagos and their Eyo very well?

Efunyemi Olugbani was said to be married to King of Lagos. After her death....dissapearance, her brothers Malaki and Ejilu brought Adimu Orisa (Orisa Adimula) to celebrate her.

Adimu was a cult. With time they added other cults and expanded the outing. Eventualy the Orisa outing added fanfare and what is known as Eyo.

In that Eyo itself there is a secret cult pouch that must be borne on the day of Eyo. That pouch is named Laba. The Eyo fraternal group that bears the Laba (Akolaba) is what today is called Okolaba.

This Yoruba we speak and its culture is the one spoken in Afroasia and all Middle East....origin of our ancestors. When we left ...when we were displaced. The thieves thag took over our lands assimilated our language and bastardized it with their vernaculars to result in vast differences and at first when you look at words like Ijora (...Ajiran rendered in its Yoruba original) against the fake version...Hijra (Hajirun) you are less likely to believe common origin for both.

We go talk more my brother....i no wan miss the agonyin beans this morning abeg, make i siddon outside.

ImperialYoruba:



None of those guys can tell a story like I can. Olu has told you a lot about Hebrew already. All the people in modern day claiming Hebrew are thieves. They dont know what Hebrew is. Yoruba is the only authentic Hebrew race left on earth. Any claim of Hebrew origin outside of Yoruba is a pseudo....a wannabe.


Yoruba, the most Superior race on earth.

absoluteSuccess:


Emperor,

Thanks so very much for the keen and astounding inputs you've made above. I know from time to time, great minds comes around to strengthen each other on a course of great import as this, just as from time to time, fools would also come to cast aspersion that whats good its not good enough, in which case the 'good' they ascribe to, they cannot do, it only exist as certain fog in their head with the scanty and inconsequential ideals that they thinks made them noble. You know what I mean.


LOL, I can relate with your experience with the mods, its exactly the same experience with Dino Melaye, yours may just be an "e-melaye" version 2.0, happening on 4G. Its a state of electronic siege, but don't be discouraged, they are not the problem but the obstacle, victory is certain.

As to the Awori, what you've said is true according to tradition, we have the "ara ibini arokuntayo", and the "Olorogun Adodo", is the head of white cap chiefs that claim to have come from Ibini. I would like to contest that "Ibini" as Adodo. Could that be Ado Odo? Yes it could be. But the Ado Odo we have today do not carry "historical weight" that appeals to "grand history", so that we might ascribe "Oba Ado" of Lagos fame to it. So, its easy to look for a greater Ado like Ibini, and replacement is thus possible.

But Ifa has been generous to us, Iwori is the Odu of the inception of the Yoruba, and it is the verb form of Awori, where we stand. Ado is Ife at the sea. Please understand my standpoint: I write as a man of Ado, from Iga Isolo, so I cannot write from a subject angle the story of my own ancestors when the resources I needed to write princely is at my disposal, it would make me a big fool. Like for instance tradition ascribe Orunmila to Ado, I can only ascribe to Orunmila as a native of Ado, which is also Otu Ife.

I can't go to Ile Ife/Ibini and later return to Ado to claim we are not worthy of reckoning to ascribe to Orunmila or Oduduwa to our history first hand when physical, historical and linguistic monuments redirects us to this very place. Meanwhile, I cannot deny the greatness of others based on my own allusion to communal grand standing, Ile-Ife, Ibini, Oyo etc are great historical outlets in Yoruba history. But in serene quietness, we are fulfilling the dreams of our founding fathers at Ado as spiritual heartland of the Yoruba race as Crowther has described it.

Such is my own input: I choose to align with the gradients of time, of semantics in tradition and of chronology of events as reported in fixed oral tradition of the great Yoruba people. All these integral parts will eventually harmonize when all the broken pieces are later fixed together, perhaps by each of us or by our children. I'm to fix a landmark and not shift a ground, for the love of fact, for my homeland.

Eyo

Yes, that's true about eyo, which comes with ejilu and malaki, whose iga is between the Asogbon and Iduganran. Eyo is said to have come from Ibefun and is connected to Olori Olugbani. My brother, when the aro eyo is recited, the Eyo sign out by saying "Eshua!!" It is not by chance just as you have made known, it is a form of colophon, the 'Aro' were the 'Lamentttion' of Eyo, whose other name is revealed as the signature tune to every other variants that may be composed. It is a song book, like iwe among the Ipokia, the homeland of Prof. A.I. Ashiwaju.

There are different Aro Eyo from various quarters, I'm familiar with that of Iga Eti, and that one opens with, "emi ni eleti seti...". The most popular would be the Aro Eyo Ikolaba ekun, it is the olori eyo, and they probably have the information meant to disseminate by the Eyo folks, saying "egun le nimi, mii seni a gba loju, afin le nimi, mii seni a ti laya. Emi lafinju woja ma rin gbendeke, obun woja wan pa siosio, obun siosio tii reru afinju wole. Ile ti mo wo, o dile owo, ode ti mo to, o dode ola, apoti ti mo fi joko, o doun akunle bo"

This pieces of poetry reveal to us the mind of (one of) our ancestors: whoever compose that poetry was a great personality, and [she] painted the prevalent opulence of her time and what likely happened around her. She was an egun (from where masquerade comes into the play), she was an afin (ijesha l'afin, according to a remote Yoruba mantra) an afinju that walks with majesty, unlike the unkempt that walks around without confidence. The obun is the beast of burden that carries the afinju in hammock, or were the afinju's luggage bearers.

The Yoruba ancestors did not call Yorubaland "Yorubaland", they called it "Oja", and that's what the poetry is alluding to. I think whats today "Oyo" sprang from "Oke Oja", northern fringe of the market, the title of the monarch of Osogbo is called AtaOja: the Oja in that aro-eyo were places across Yorubaland of old. Who else called herself "Egun" in Yorubaland? No one else, so Eyo is the original Egun, which derivea from the word Egungun,which is Yoruba dialectics, meaning "the infidel is a patriot", a political argument around a hero of that time.

Eh eleyo eyo, mariwo eyo (a folksong associating the palm frond with eyo: what's the significance of the palmfront?
Mariwo sara ogun yoyo (a phrase connecting ogun to the palmfrond: thus eyo is of the household of Ogun)

Also the speaker was a great historical figure speaking with assurance in prophetic wisdom, saying "ile ti mo wo, o dile owo, ode ti mo to, o dode ola, apoti ti mo fi joko, o doun akunle bo". Such utterances, where can we find it in Yorubaland? The icon was saying "the house I stayed at, it becomes a bank, the road I ply, it becomes a path to success, the stool upon which I sit, it becomes a deity of a sort". The original composer of aro eyo was thus a great historical figure sharing a bit of her wealth of intellect and accomplishments.

Now who was this person, eyo? It is the same person from whom the great Oyo empire derived her name, meaning eyo is awori variant of oyo. It was the origin of the name Eyo, that the Yoruba were once called before the adoption of Aku, which later settles as Yoruba from Yoruba. Eyo is the true eponymous name for the Yoruba. Hence, the egun uses this eponymous name to identify Yoruba to this day as Ayonu, meaning "people of Eyo": because it is Ayo that we have in mainstream Yoruba and it means Joy. Eyo is rejoice.

That said, many of todays sacred places in Yorubaland were alters established by this people. For instance, at enu owa, there is the akoko tree were the incoming oba would sit and the ewe akoko will be wreathed upon his head, like it used to be in ancient Greek with laurel, that ewe akoko looks exactly like the laurel, and the statue of Julius Cesar is always wear a laurel, akoko. Akoko is an "adape" for "number one", and where such were grown may likely be where great kings of old had seated to be adorned with laurel or staff of office.

You are definitely right about belekesu, its what the Larubawa transformed to Bilqis, and that's why they have no idea of the whereabout of the icon. She lives, and she was an icon of the ancient Yoruba. I am not saying this much to send anyone to become cultist, as I am not a cultist myself, nor am I helping to promote the occult, but that our history has long been hijacked by caretakers who has lost ideas of the original intentions of our ancestors and we do better scrape off what is left and make sense with it.

Let me stop here so I can post this before the system will shot down.

ImperialYoruba:


Im shit.ting on myself as i read this. Man mi, you are the best!

So check this out....jihadists are useless people. Look how you eloquently and smoothly just peared everything and explained it in understandable terms. Jihadists want to collect 77virgins for blowing people up....awon were! 77 virgins belong to great minds like you who teach and share and build people up, not blow them up.

77 virgins for my brother, absolutesuccess!



You are very correct and on point, they treat me like Dino. I never looked at it like that but you are right.
Useless people They need to face their business and stop worrying about me.


On Ado, have you heard about a people called Ad?

The land in Ife that the migrants settled contain mirror, copy, repeat, of institutions they brought with them or left behind at place of origin but still existed in their consciousness.

Im going to expound about Ado on my thread titled R--B--.


Orisa Adimula, Olori Efunyemi Olugbani, Ejilu, Malaki, Eyo are recreation of ancestors and their remembrance. Egungun is the cult of ancestor anyway and Eyo is an egungun.

The ancestors immortalized here are Prophet Adam, Laban "the priest of white garment", Prophet Elijah and Malachi.

absoluteSuccess:


LOL, badass!

May God bless your wit the more.

Happy new year big brother.

Bro Hayoholla, hope you are good?

hayoholla:


yes sire. doing good, sent you a mail sef.

i must confess, I have enjoyed every post in this great thread, thanks in large measures to you great contributors. you really opened my eyes to a lot of things. this is the only thread that I keep on refreshing my browser page for new updates. my wish is this topic should be confined in the corridors of the culture section of nairaland alone. we need to do more by spreading the gospel of our great and mysterious culture by redefining and reverting back to the original and undiluted status quo of Yoruba history, not the one that has been watered and force down our throat.

I find it also surprising how you people got this volume of info stored up there. please I want to join your league oo. absolute success, olu 317, obalufon, macof, imperial Yoruba et all. want to sit down at your feet and learn more .

hayoholla:


yes sire. doing good, sent you a mail sef.

i must confess, I have enjoyed every post in this great thread, thanks in large measures to you great contributors. you really opened my eyes to a lot of things. this is the only thread that I keep on refreshing my browser page for new updates. my wish is this topic should be confined in the corridors of the culture section of nairaland alone. we need to do more by spreading the gospel of our great and mysterious culture by redefining and reverting back to the original and undiluted status quo of Yoruba history, not the one that has been watered and force down our throat.

I find it also surprising how you people got this volume of info stored up there. please I want to join your league oo. absolute success, olu 317, obalufon, macof, imperial Yoruba et all. want to sit down at your feet and learn more .

Olu317:


Quite a piece you wrote up there . But I must confess, that your opinion has placed me on an angle to be cautious because I am highly challenged with the way you see some of us. Honestly, I hope you won't forget that we are all humans and do have flaws. So , don't see us as all in all because even you, can make a difference.

You see, as we are called to repositioned the history of Yorubas from the broken angle do we try so much to investigate the history of Yorubas from a unique angle that's different from taboos and myth but from all groups perspective that left Ileife even before or after Oranminyan descendants. In fact, the Yoruba history is too filled with myth that this myth has made many scholars wrong the history of Yorubas from misconception. Plainly the Yoruba history is the most interesting in this era!

Opiletool:


I read where you described 'Ifa' as the ancient 'Ephod', and I think you might be right about that. I read more on it, and the description is very interesting.

Olu317:



Well, Ifa as far as I am concerned is what the interpreters of paleo Hebrew were describing. It's quite astonishing seeing this as an eye opener to Yoruba's footprint in the land of Or—Mesopotamia.

One day,some critics will appreciate some of us who already have been given the foresight and information to proof this.


Cheers.

bluke:
how they confused us more

75. “AI B R” in ancient hebrew
(Eber) in modern Hebrew).
“AI Ba òóRé” in paleo hebrew (yoruba) meaning “one who occupied
land/region beyond”.

from this they coined abram, abraham

ImperialYoruba:


Im shit.ting on myself as i read this. Man mi, you are the best!

So check this out....jihadists are useless people. Look how you eloquently and smoothly just peared everything and explained it in understandable terms. Jihadists want to collect 77virgins for blowing people up....awon were! 77 virgins belong to great minds like you who teach and share and build people up, not blow them up.

77 virgins for my brother, absolutesuccess!



You are very correct and on point, they treat me like Dino. I never looked at it like that but you are right.
Useless people They need to face their business and stop worrying about me.


On Ado, have you heard about a people called Ad?

The land in Ife that the migrants settled contain mirror, copy, repeat, of institutions they brought with them or left behind at place of origin but still existed in their consciousness.

Im going to expound about Ado on my thread titled R--B--.


Orisa Adimula, Olori Efunyemi Olugbani, Ejilu, Malaki, Eyo are recreation of ancestors and their remembrance. Egungun is the cult of ancestor anyway and Eyo is an egungun.

The ancestors immortalized here are Prophet Adam, Laban "the priest of white garment", Prophet Elijah and Malachi.

Olu317:



Well, Ifa as far as I am concerned is what the interpreters of paleo Hebrew were describing. It's quite astonishing seeing this as an eye opener to Yoruba's footprint in the land of Or—Mesopotamia.

One day,some critics will appreciate some of us who already have been given the foresight and information to proof this.


Cheers.

IkpuMmadu:


Yoruba people confused as ever

1. From Mecca
2. From Oduduwa who fell and landed at Ife
3. From Oduduwa who came from Benin
4. From Sudan
5. Now from Hebrew ....these dudes are confused as ever and nobody ever takes them serious again



At least we can see the Igbo correlation with Hebrew
Even their name Hebrew - Hibo - Ibo

We can see their cultures for centuries ago and they have said it for over 500 yrs and maintain their Hebrew trains and links


But Yoruba ....copy copy

If I am a Yoruba I would be so embarrassed...always confused

Olu317:


Ignorance is your problem. Insibidi man, at least give yourself into reading and not assumption . You see,In 1909, Macgregor noted that European influence nsibidi .

Go find your history Hibo man,if you are badly hurt. After all, some scholars says Hibo is the oldest language in the world and the original Bantu group . In fact, your cry to be acknowledged as early Hebrew has been denounced.Perhaps find another link to buttress your history. Mind you, you are the master in copying everything.

People like you are too unstudied and need not even comment on forum as this but POLITIC SECTION that befit you and your likes because you lack the pedigree on this platform. As unstudied you did you not know that the history of Mecca acknowledged it as a town Hebrews-Eber-Ivri/Ibri once lived before they left this land.



Go read Mr.man!

IkpuMmadu:


Nawa



Yoruba people confused as ever

1. From Mecca
2. From Oduduwa who fell and landed at Ife
3. From Oduduwa who came from Benin
4. From Sudan
5. Now from Hebrew ....these dudes are confused as ever and nobody ever takes them serious again



At least we can see the Igbo correlation with Hebrew
Even their name Hebrew - Hibo - Ibo

We can see their cultures for centuries ago and they have said it for over 500 yrs and maintain their Hebrew trains and links


But Yoruba ....copy copy

If I am a Yoruba I would be so embarrassed...always confused

Olu317:


Ignorance is your problem. Insibidi man, at least give yourself into reading and not assumption . You see,In 1909, Macgregor noted that European influence nsibidi .

Go find your history Hibo man,if you are badly hurt. After all, some scholars says Hibo is the oldest language in the world and the original Bantu group . In fact, your cry to be acknowledged as early Hebrew has been denounced.Perhaps find another link to buttress your history. Mind you, you are the master in copying everything.

People like you are too unstudied and need not even comment on forum as this but POLITIC SECTION that befit you and your likes because you lack the pedigree on this platform. As unstudied you did you not know that the history of Mecca acknowledged it as a town Hebrews-Eber-Ivri/Ibri once lived before they left this land.



Go read Mr.man!

IkpuMmadu:


Yoruba are confused....there is nothing to show that Yoruba has relationship with Jews from culture to business orientation , stop making yourself a laughing stock

IkpuMmadu:


Yoruba are confused....there is nothing to show that Yoruba has relationship with Jews from culture to business orientation , stop making yourself a laughing stock

IkpuMmadu:


Yoruba are confused....there is nothing to show that Yoruba has relationship with Jews from culture to business orientation , stop making yourself a laughing stock

hayoholla:



Bros, no one from the inception of this thread has forced merged Jew with the Yoruba, for you to even say Jew has no relationship with the Yoruba shows you don't know the difference between being a Hebrew and being a Jew, it also show you jumping into conclusion like a puma without taking pain to read this thread from its beginning. let me help you.

the contributors on this thread are showing linguistic and cultural also spiritual relationship of the Yoruba/Hebrew connection.

not the Jews, it's for ethnic and hating IBO's like you ( I have no grudge with your tribe, except few one's like you who just hate unnecessarily) you can create a thread for all we care and show the world how IBO's are related to the Jews. and I bet you won't see any sane Yoruba poke nosing into it except those who want to offer meaningful contributions unlike you. please I beg you, don't just look with one eyes, see with both eyes and your inner eyes too. If you had taken the pain to read from the start of this thread, I know you might be convinced that there must exist a larger percentage of truth in all what the contributors has penned down, except if you want to get jealous or hate for nothing. if you have any counter contributions, why not lay it bare, if you rear through every pages of this thread you will notice we have even fought ourselves intellectually, we've have engaged in hot argument all with the mindset of

forging a common cause of Yoruba nation and reclaiming our history not the textbook history that we have been force fed with, I don't know if you are comfortable with yours, but we are not comfortable with ours and we feel something is wrong and amiss.

so why not just do us a favour, just stop hating!

one love bro.