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forgot it was Premiership

forgot it was Premiership

Ibime:


No need for unnamed sources. I was following Chelsea before Jose and saw links to Salah.

Jose was caught lying in that statement.

Jose: "I bought Salah but I didn't sell him." . . until his comments in 2015 asking Chelsea to sell Salah were exposed.

Emenalo meanwhile is doing the same thing he did at Chelsea, failing to establish consistency despite having good attacking players because he did not recognize the needs of his midfield, and once again failed to build a balance squad. That man incompetence no be here. Taking players like Golovin and Jovetic toward relegation in a farmers league.

I have right to hate someone who caused me so much frustration for so many years, and who squandered so much opportunity by failing to recognise some football basics. Monaco fans must be feeling the same way.

so Monaco doesn't have midfielders

nihilistjnr:

By the way, none of this disproves Jose's assertion that he bought Salah in the first place....which is the crux of the matter need I remind you.

So we should trust the word of a liar during a press conference he set up to deliberately mislead, when all evidence shows Chelsea were scouting Salah before him, he had no time for Salah, and couldn't wait to get rid of him, plus we have sources telling us it was an Emenalo signing. I think we can easily draw conclusion on the matter Sir!

mehn ibime u have really convinced urself to hate emenalo and I don't think anyone can take that right from u.

Ibime:


So we should trust the word of a liar during a press conference he set up to deliberately mislead, when all evidence shows Chelsea were scouting Salah before him, he had no time for Salah, and couldn't wait to get rid of him, plus we have sources telling us it was an Emenalo signing. I think we can easily draw conclusion on the matter Sir!

but why get another back up in the person of curdado instead of salah?

well I seriously doubt Mou liked Salah based on Mou's profile and maybe that's what made Salah uncomfortable to stay.

Ibime:


So we should trust the word of a liar during a press conference he set up to deliberately mislead, when all evidence shows Chelsea were scouting Salah before him, he had no time for Salah, and couldn't wait to get rid of him, plus we have sources telling us it was an Emenalo signing. I think we can easily draw conclusion on the matter Sir!

So we're back to square 1 which is:

Jose is a liar, but unknown sources are telling the truth about Emenalo signing Salah...and the evidence for this is that Mourinho somehow sold Salah in August 2016, despite (Jose) leaving the club 9 months earlier.

Ok then.

honestly for a team to work both the coach and technical director have to be on the same page and move in similar direction.

BlueAngel444:
mehn ibime u have really convinced urself to hate emenalo and I don't think anyone can take that right from u.

As someone who recommended Felipe Anderson as a left back for Chelsea, I doubt you would know whether Emenalo was doing a good job or not. You are best off sitting on the sideline hailing him out of patriotism as your fellow countryman, than put your mouth into what you are not qualified to give opinion on.

nihilistjnr:


So we're back to square 1 which is:

Jose is a liar, but unknown sources are telling the truth about Emenalo signing Salah...and the evidence for this is that Mourinho somehow sold Salah in August 2016, despite (Jose) leaving the club 9 months earlier.

Ok then.

Again, you have made argument for the 2nd time today with poor memory of historical fact.

Salah was sent on loan with option-to-buy during Jose's tenure. So he was effectively sold during Jose tenure, after Jose made that statement giving them go ahead to do so.

When has JM ever accepted blame for something?
He must suffer from cramps with all his finger pointing.

Chelsea fans should digest the fact that the man offloaded Salah and KDB and kept Willian, Schürrle and Oscar.

That move is the only thing i thank him for.

Greatihex:
The Liverpool superstar has gone on to great things since crashing out of Stamford Bridge, but Mourinho does not feel he erred in letting him go
Jose Mourinho has rejected claims that he mismanaged the talents of a young Mohamed Salah at Chelsea, affirming that he is one of the Liverpool star's most ardent admirers.
Salah was signed by Mourinho's Chelsea from Basel at the tender age of 21, after impressing as a youngster in the Swiss club.
His time at Stamford Bridge, however, failed to live up to expectations, as he received only fleeting first-team opportunities under the manager before leaving the club for Roma just over 18 months later in the summer of 2015.
Editors' Picks
Salah has since gone on to establish himself as one of the world's premier strikers, leading Liverpool to the Champions League final in 2017-18 and earning himself sixth place in the Ballon d'Or vote eventually won by Luka Modric.
But Mourinho believes it is unfair to accuse him of wasting the Egyptian's talents.
"First of all let’s start with Salah. Because lots of things have been told which are not true," he explained to BeIN Sports .
"For a start people try to identify me as the coach that sold Salah. I am the coach that bought Salah. It’s completely the wrong idea.
"I played against Basel in the Champions League. Salah was a kid at Basel. When I play against a certain team I analyse a team and players for quite a long time.
"And I fell in love with that kid. I bought the kid.
"I pushed the club to buy him and at the time we already had fantastic attacking players - Hazard, Willian, we had top talent there. But I told them to buy that kid. He was more a winger coming inside than a striker."
According to the former Manchester United, Blues and Real Madrid boss, Salah's difficulties in adapting to his new home, as well as a certain impatience ultimately hurt his Chelsea career.
"He was just a lost kid in London. He was a lost kid in a new world," Mourinho added.
"We wanted to work him, to become better and better and better. But he was more of the idea of wanting to play and not wait.
"So we decided to put him on loan, in a culture I knew well. Italy. Tactical football. Physical football. A good place to play.
"Fiorentina are a good team to play for without the pressure of playing for the title. And we decided that move there.
"When the club decided to sell him it was not me. I bought him, I did not sell him."



Truth.

Bold face lies from mourinho again.

Ibime:


Again, you have made argument for the 2nd time today with poor memory of historical fact.

Salah was sent on loan with option-to-buy during Jose's tenure. So he was effectively sold during Jose tenure, after Jose made that statement giving them go ahead to do so.

How does option-to-buy translate to effective purchase?

why is the 'buy' part an 'option' then?

Ibime:


As someone who recommended Felipe Anderson as a left back for Chelsea, I doubt you would know whether Emenalo was doing a good job or not. You are best off sitting on the sideline hailing him out of patriotism as your fellow countryman, than put your mouth into what you are not qualified to give opinion on.

huh, wtf are talking about

afrodoc2:

When has JM ever accepted blame for something?
He must suffer from cramps with all his finger pointing.

Chelsea fans should digest the fact that the man offloaded Salah and KDB and kept Willian, Schürrle and Oscar.

That move is the only thing i thank him for.

That's not the crux of the matter here. Ibime is using this non-issue as a diversion from the main topic which is:

Who signed Salah?

Jose said he did.

Ibime argues that Jose lied about selling Salah, so must be lying about buying him.

The justification for continued blame of Emenalo, thus comes not from any evidence of a creditable statement to contradict Jose's assertion that he purchased Salah....instead, the evidence becomes moralistic - Mourinho is a savage, barely even human, and a liar at the core...quick sound the drums of war!

nihilistjnr:


That's not the crux of the matter here. Ibime is using this non-issue as a diversion from the main topic which is:

Who signed Salah?

Jose said he did.

Ibime argues that Jose lied about selling Salah, so must be lying about buying him.

The justification for continued blame of Emenalo, thus comes not from any evidence of a creditable statement to contradict Jose's assertion that he purchased Salah....instead, the evidence becomes moralistic - Mourinho is a savage, barely even human, and a liar at the core...quick sound the drums of war!

I was not even delving into your intricate and storied debate with Ibime.

I am just pissed whenever JM tries to defend himself with his a thousand and one lies.

Hazard, KDB, Salah behind your boy Amba would have dominated the league for half a decade.

The man over the course of 3 years almost burnt the future of 2 of the biggest clubs in England.

Jose Mourinho has revealed what he told Roman Abramovich in order to sign Didier Drogba for Chelsea: "Pay, and don't speak".
Drogba was one of Mourinho's first signings when the Portuguese coach arrived in English football, and the Ivorian striker went on to dominate the Premier League with 157 goals in all competitions for the Blues.
Mourinho's side to back-to-back League title and the League Cup trophy, but their partnership was cut short when the coach was sacked in 2007 - an incident which reportedly left Drogba in tears.

Drogba remained at Stamford Bridge until 2012, leaving the summer after scoring the winning penalty kick in the Champions League final shootout against Bayern Munich.


The forward returned to Stamford Bridge in 2014 to work with Mourinho once again, and the duo won another League title together before Drogba left for Canada the following summer.


Russian billionaire Abramovich is not known as a man who is used to being told how to spend his money without a say, but Mourinho was proved right in making his abrupt transfer request as Drogba signed from Marseille and went on to become a Stamford Bridge legend.


“Drogba is the kind of guy who is so loyal that he never forgot that I took him from Marseille to the Premier League, where he was not even expected, because he didn’t start very young at that level,” he told beIN SPORTS.


“He had already played for Guingamp, Marseille, Le Mans, so when I took him to Chelsea I remember clearly Abramovich was asking me, ‘Who? Who do you want as a striker?’


“With all the big names in Europe at that time I said Drogba. ‘Who is he? Where’s he playing?’ (I said) 'Mr Abramovich – pay. Pay, and don’t speak.'


“And Didier was an iconic player for Chelsea, for the Premier League."

nihilistjnr:


That's not the crux of the matter here. Ibime is using this non-issue as a diversion from the main topic which is:

Who signed Salah?

Jose said he did.

Ibime argues that Jose lied about selling Salah, so must be lying about buying him.

The justification for continued blame of Emenalo, thus comes not from any evidence of a creditable statement to contradict Jose's assertion that he purchased Salah....instead, the evidence becomes moralistic - Mourinho is a savage, barely even human, and a liar at the core...quick sound the drums of war!

basically an attack on a man's personality n not based on facts

afrodoc2:


I was not even delving into your intricate and storied debate with Ibime.

I am just pissed whenever JM tries to defend himself with his a thousand and one lies.

Hazard, KDB, Salah behind your boy Amba would have dominated the league for half a decade.

The man over the course of 3 years almost burnt the future of 2 of the biggest clubs in England.

Over the course of 3 or more years football has changed. Mou still wants to be a manager in control of everything and when he can't get that a fall out starts.

Wanting to be in control of everything, Mou should adjust to being just a coach because he is failing as a manager.

JM really Fvcked up in KDB and Salah's case

Greatihex:
The Liverpool superstar has gone on to great things since crashing out of Stamford Bridge, but Mourinho does not feel he erred in letting him go
Jose Mourinho has rejected claims that he mismanaged the talents of a young Mohamed Salah at Chelsea, affirming that he is one of the Liverpool star's most ardent admirers.
Salah was signed by Mourinho's Chelsea from Basel at the tender age of 21, after impressing as a youngster in the Swiss club.
His time at Stamford Bridge, however, failed to live up to expectations, as he received only fleeting first-team opportunities under the manager before leaving the club for Roma just over 18 months later in the summer of 2015.
Editors' Picks
Salah has since gone on to establish himself as one of the world's premier strikers, leading Liverpool to the Champions League final in 2017-18 and earning himself sixth place in the Ballon d'Or vote eventually won by Luka Modric.
But Mourinho believes it is unfair to accuse him of wasting the Egyptian's talents.
"First of all let’s start with Salah. Because lots of things have been told which are not true," he explained to BeIN Sports .
"For a start people try to identify me as the coach that sold Salah. I am the coach that bought Salah. It’s completely the wrong idea.
"I played against Basel in the Champions League. Salah was a kid at Basel. When I play against a certain team I analyse a team and players for quite a long time.
"And I fell in love with that kid. I bought the kid.
"I pushed the club to buy him and at the time we already had fantastic attacking players - Hazard, Willian, we had top talent there. But I told them to buy that kid. He was more a winger coming inside than a striker."
According to the former Manchester United, Blues and Real Madrid boss, Salah's difficulties in adapting to his new home, as well as a certain impatience ultimately hurt his Chelsea career.
"He was just a lost kid in London. He was a lost kid in a new world," Mourinho added.
"We wanted to work him, to become better and better and better. But he was more of the idea of wanting to play and not wait.
"So we decided to put him on loan, in a culture I knew well. Italy. Tactical football. Physical football. A good place to play.
"Fiorentina are a good team to play for without the pressure of playing for the title. And we decided that move there.
"When the club decided to sell him it was not me. I bought him, I did not sell him."



Truth.

Only Jose Mourinho can tell this bold face lie and some people will swallow it hook,line and sinker.No board will sanction the sale of a player that is very much in a top coach like mourinho’s plan.
Why didn’t emenalo sell Willian albeit just occupying space in the team who mourinho kept playing at the expense of salah ?

popizaino:



Only Jose Mourinho can tell this bold face lie and some people will swallow it hook,line and sinker.No board will sanction the sale of a player that is very much in a top coach like mourinho’s plan.
Why didn’t emenalo sell Willian?who mourinho kept playing at the expense of salah ?

Why didn't Conte keep Salah?

Conte became Chelsea manager in April 16. Salah was sold in August.

nihilistjnr:

Ibime argues that Jose lied about selling Salah, so must be lying about buying him.

The Crux of the matter is that a man made two statements in one sentence and you want us to accept he was lying in one part of the sentence and not the other.

One statement- "I did not want to sell Salah" was proven to be an obvious lie.

I also know that the other part of the statement, that he bought Salah is a lie because I follow my club and I remember perfectly that we were linked with Salah before Jose. What he wants to say is that he agreed to take on Salah when it was suggested to him.

We can even see the obvious lie in his exagerrations "I fought for Salah", "I loved the boy" yet his actions in not playing Salah and in writing him off after 12 months speak the truth more.

And in addition, we have club sources briefing that Emenalo signed Salah.

So no, I will not accept one part of his statement as truth and the other as lie. They are both lies, or gross exagerrations.

Back to my original post you quoted, the names I listed as Mourinho signings are Mourinho signings and the others are Emenalo signings.

I don't need a soothsayer to tell me Jorginho, Higuain and Kovacic are Sarri signings while Pulisic is not. I follow my club and I have good memory to document exactly how transfers come about. I can't come two years later and claim Salah was not sold under Mourinho when both his Fiorentina and his Roma loan were loan-to-purchase agreements for which Fiorentina even threatened reporting Chelsea to FIFA when Salah reneged on joining Fiorentina.

nihilistjnr:


Why didn't Conte keep Salah?

Conte became Chelsea manager in April 16. Salah was sold in August.

Once again, Salah was on a loan with mandatory purchase agreement with Roma. You want to argue signings and can't remember the facts.

Ibime:


Once again, Salah was on a loan with mandatory purchase agreement with Roma. You want to argue signings and can't remember the facts.

I remember everything perfectly. That's why I'm taking my time to ask the basics.

Can you please reconcile the word 'Option' with 'Mandatory'?

How can an option to buy be mandatory?

nihilistjnr:


I remember everything perfectly. That's why I'm taking my time to ask the basics.

Can you please reconcile the word 'Option' with 'Mandatory'?

How can an option to buy be mandatory?

It's mandatory for Chelsea to accept the agreed purchase amount in the loan. That means Conte has nothing to do with it.

Mourinho agreed to Salah sale not once, but TWICE. Once to Fiorentina and once to Roma.

Ibime:


The Crux of the matter is that a man made two statements in one sentence and you want us to accept he was lying in one part of the sentence and not the other.

One statement- "I did not want to sell Salah" was proven to be an obvious lie.

I also know that the other part of the statement, that he bought Salah is a lie because I follow my club and I remember perfectly that we were linked with Salah before Jose. What he wants to say is that he agreed to take on Salah when it was suggested to him.

We can even see the obvious lie in his exagerrations "I fought for Salah", "I loved the boy" yet his actions in not playing Salah and in writing him off after 12 months speak the truth more.

And in addition, we have club sources briefing that Emenalo signed Salah.

So no, I will not accept one part of his statement as truth and the other as lie. They are both lies, or gross exagerrations.

Back to my original post you quoted, the names I listed as Mourinho signings are Mourinho signings and the others are Emenalo signings.

I don't need a soothsayer to tell me Jorginho, Higuain and Kovacic are Sarri signings while Pulisic is not. I follow my club and I have good memory to document exactly how transfers come about. I can't come two years later and claim Salah was not sold under Mourinho when both his Fiorentina and his Roma loan were loan-to-purchase agreements for which Fiorentina even threatened reporting Chelsea to FIFA when Salah reneged on joining Fiorentina.

Who are these 'sources' ?

Cuadrado was on a similar loan with option to buy deal in Juventus at the same time Salah was at Roma


Conte called Cuadrado back.

Conte is also on record saying that the Salah that Chelsea sold, is not the one that is at Liverpool.


The same summer. Conte called one, he didn't call the other.

Why?

nihilistjnr:


How does option-to-buy translate to effective purchase?

why is the 'buy' part an 'option' then?

Meaning Roma has the right to refuse, If Roma doesnt refuse the player is no longer yours

Just like James situation at bayern now, He is effectively a Bayern player, Madrid cannot call him back unless Bayern refuses to exercise their buy option

Abeg, where Higuan now?
How we go play Arsenal tomorrow?

TalabiAudu:
Abeg, where Higuan now?
How we go play Arsenal tomorrow?

He will probably join us next week

Salah, 23, initially will join Roma on a season-long loan, but Chelsea said the Serie A club have the option to make the deal permanent at any point.

http://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfers/story/2551087/mohamed-salah-completes-loan-move-to-roma-with-option-to-buy

nihilistjnr:


Why didn't Conte keep Salah?

Conte became Chelsea manager in April 16. Salah was sold in August.

Conte wasn’t the one that requested chelsea to sign salah from Basel.