Ranchhoddas:


If it is only one person who has been genuinely cured, then it's enough to say that homosexuality is abnormal.

This is where the problem is. How do we prove that there is a man somewhere who has been really cured of homosexuality beyond reasonable doubt? That's my point.

bloodofthelamb:


God is a Spirit who began all things. Being "born of God" is being led by the "Spirit of God." But you can't be led by the Spirit of truth and righteousness, if your heart(thoughts) are far from Him.

Guard your heart with all deligence for out it flows the issues of life. Allow God to transformed you by changing the way you think through his truths.

You are deluded... No spirit began anything.

NPComplete:


This is where the problem is. How do we prove that there is a man somewhere who has been really cured of homosexuality beyond reasonable doubt? That's my point.

We have to prove beyond reasonable doubt first that homosexuality is natural.

princy80:

You are deluded... No spirit began anything.

Your opinion though.

tintingz:
Why does homosexual keep existing in Saudi Arabia despite you can marry very early, have multiple wives and a very harsh punishment against same sex which is killing? Why is it still existing there?

It's like asking me why cancer happens in Saudi Arabia? An anomaly can occur anywhere regardless of the prevailing conditions. Same-sex attraction, attraction to little kids, animals etc.

LordReed:


This is how Alan describes the "healing" in another article:



Even this your guy knows it never goes away so what does it mean to say they are cured?

He said "if". Why did you not highlight it? It means that he is not certain that the expectation is unrealistic?
People are also attracted to kids? Is it natural? What's the difference?

tintingz:
We don't even certainly know what cause sexual orientation, you're jumping to this question.

There are also stories of those that have been cured of heterosexual and living happily has homosexual, what do you say about that?

Ridiculous. Where are the stories abeg?

Ranchhoddas:
He said "if". Why did you not highlight it? It means that he is not certain that the expectation is unrealistic?
People are also attracted to kids? Is it natural? What's the difference?

He is certain, look at his following statements. He clearly states that the expectation is the desires won't go away. He even states that he stands by this definition.

Yes pedophilia is natural, meaning it arises from the same place all our desires arise from but unlike homosexuality the object of attraction cannot be trusted to consent like an adult can. Same thing with animals and corpses, no consent from a capable consenting agent.

LordReed:


He is certain, look at his following statements. He clearly states that the expectation is the desires won't go away. He even states that he stands by this definition.

Yes pedophilia is natural, meaning it arises from the same place all our desires arise from but unlike homosexuality the object of attraction cannot be trusted to consent like an adult can. Same thing with animals and corpses, no consent from a capable consenting agent.

So according to you, it is natural to want to get down with a corpse.

Ranchhoddas:
Ridiculous. Where are the stories abeg?

Google and search for homosexuals who are depressed being heterosexual but feel happy when they are homosexual.

Ranchhoddas:
It's like asking me why cancer happens in Saudi Arabia? An anomaly can occur anywhere regardless of the prevailing conditions. Same-sex attraction, attraction to little kids, animals etc.

Is this natural or not?

tintingz:
Is this natural or not?

Like cancer, it is abnormal. It serves no productive purpose.

Lordreed, what about attraction to one's own mother. Is that also normal? I want to know how far you can take your liberalness.

LordReed:


They aren't. They seem to find ways to decrease the incidence of the homosexual acting on their feelings, the sexual attraction for the same sex never goes away it seems so there really is no "cure".

I even find the idea of a cure funny, it's like someone trying to convince me that I need to be cured of liking chocolate flavoured icecream. LMFAO!

Lol.

Monks are cured from having sexual relationship.

Ranchhoddas:
Like cancer, it is abnormal. It serves no productive purpose.

Simple question you're not answering.

Is it natural or not?

tintingz:
Simple question you're not answering.
Is it natural or not?

It's not

Ranchhoddas:
It's not

Ok, Does nature has to have purpose?

Do we understand everything about nature?

Has any of you heard the word pica?
It's a medical condition where sufferers develop an appetite for non-edible things; glass, wood. wood, stone, metal etc.
Is this not an unnatural desire. With therapy they can go back to desiring normal food. How is it different from homosexual desires?

LordReed

Tintingz

Muttleylaff

tintingz:
Ok, Does nature has to have purpose?

Do we understand everything about nature?

We don't. But we understand that some things do not follow the natural order for reasons we do not know yet.

Ranchhoddas:
So according to you, it is natural to want to get down with a corpse.

Unless you know of another way our desires arise it is from natural causes. Or you believe in demons and spirits?

Even animals do necrophilia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-reproductive_sexual_behavior_in_animals

johnydon22:


Since it's illegal in Nigeria doesn't this according to you mean it's wrong.

I.e: Remember you think moral right or wrong is hinged on legality

Well exactly because in this case whether I think it is right or wrong doesn't matter. But that is not the aim of the op is it?

Ranchhoddas:
Has any of you heard the word pica?
It's a medical condition where sufferers develop an appetite for non-edible things; glass, wood. wood, stone, metal etc.
Is this not an unnatural desire. With therapy they can go back to desiring normal food. How is it different from homosexual desires?

LordReed

Tintingz

Muttleylaff

I think you need to define what you mean by natural and unnatural because your usage may be different from mine.

Ranchhoddas:
Lordreed, what about attraction to one's own mother. Is that also normal?
I want to know how far you can take your liberalness.

What has liberal got to do with this? Desires as far as we know arise from natural processes so may be you need to define how you are using natural and unnatural.

Normal on the other hand is a whole different ball game because now we are talking of what we perceive should be the consensus course of the human experience. In my view natural and normal are not the same thing. For example it is natural to eat but everybody agrees it won't be normal to eat while giving a speech.

Ranchhoddas:
No dey "whine" yourself. Animals can also do unnatural things.
What do you make of people who claim to have been cured?

These 'cures' are dubious. Mostly forced conversion therapy that uses torture till the victim has no other option than to be 'cured'. Same with how parents 'cured' left handedness. Or how Nigerian police torture innocent victims till they confess to a crime they never committed.

Nwaikuku2:
This is what you all should understand about this gay of a thing; God create Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. From the begining Satan has been working tiredlessly to destroy what God created because man has supremacy over him. Gay practice is one of the strategies satan deviced to extint man out of earth. The main reasons his plan poses a success is because man is ignorant of power given to him by God (lk 10:19) therefore satan with the help of demons uses it as an advantage over mankind because he(satan) control the flesh. SATAN DOESN'T HAVE A SPECIAL SIT IN HELL AND WILL NEVER APPRICATE ANYONE WHO SUCCUMB TO HIS PLANS. instead more suffering await u.

You don't force your religious belief of others.

Ranchhoddas:
We don't. But we understand that some things do not follow the natural order for reasons we do not know yet.

What do you say about natural disaster?

Dude nature doesn't need to have purpose.

Yawning for example is natural but we don't even know it purpose yet or why we yawn.

We don't know what cause sexual orientation, talkless of being gay.

I think it is fallacious to conclude homosexual is unnatural when we have millions, billions of natural phenomena we don't even know their causes and purpose.

Ranchhoddas:
Has any of you heard the word pica?
It's a medical condition where sufferers develop an appetite for non-edible things; glass, wood. wood, stone, metal etc.
Is this not an unnatural desire. With therapy they can go back to desiring normal food. How is it different from homosexual desires?

LordReed

Tintingz

Muttleylaff

Pica is considered a mental disorder, there are very little biological findings in it.

Homosexuality is part of sexual orientation and we don't fully understand this phenomena.

Gggg102:


These 'cures' are dubious. Mostly forced conversion therapy that uses torture till the victim has no other option than to be 'cured'. Same with how parents 'cured' left handedness. Or how Nigerian police torture innocent victims till they confess to a crime they never committed.

That's what you tell yourself.

tintingz:
Pica is considered a mental disorder, there are very little biological findings in it.

Homosexuality is part of sexual orientation and we don't fully understand this phenomena.

Is it natural?

Ranchhoddas:
Is it natural?

Like i said pica has very little biological findings, it is consider a mental disorder.

Homosexuality has biological factors and two other factors, we still fully don't understand why people are gay just like how we don't fully understand why we yawn.

Nature doesn't have to be positive or purposeful, nature is nature and there's nothing we can do about it.

bloodofthelamb:


Your opinion though.

Yeah... Just like you have yours.