Earthquake1:
Johan Cruff is the founder of tiki taka

For those who want to know

mostob:
Lolz... rasta do make someone a bit scary.

BascoVanVeli:



This is why I have nothing against diving. If a referee can give a yellow because a player takes a ball from a ball boy then what are we talking about? The message they are sending to children is wrong. Cheating is cheating

andrew444:


Yes taiwo has been on decline since ,playing in Finland says a lot about that

But sorry ogbeche is close to 40 ,no come dey tel us say ogbeche use real age because e dey play ball at age 34.

TheGoodJoe:


For me, the beauty of the game now lies in those moments that transcend the ordinary. The first time I watched that Barcelona team led by Pep Guardiola is one such example. Seeing the ruthless counter-pressing efficiency of Jurgen Klopp’s Borussia Dortmund at the peak of their powers is another.

This week I had this experience again when watching the Dutch comprehensively pick apart the French national team. Their victims are largely untouched since winning the World Cup just a few months ago. It was not that the 2-0 scoreline was overly impressive. It was rather the manner that the Dutch side played in picking apart a strong French side.

I read something in the aftermath of the match which sums the experience up completely. I apologise, but the source escapes me. When rating the French players in the match, the author gave N’Golo Kante a low to middling score. His explanation was that Kante ‘could not run as fast as the Dutch passed the ball’. That in itself encapsulates the Dutch performance in this match and deserves greater examination.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/totalfootballanalysis.com/match-analysis/the-netherlands-tactical-analysis-uefa-nations-league-18-19/amp

The Dutch might not play the pure brand of Rinus Michels but is an innovative adaptation to it. From the likes of Guardiola and Klopp who are students of the theory.

Remember Johan Cruyff played under Rinus Michels and Guardiola and the current coach of Netherlands, Ronald Koeman played under Cruyff. So they have their adaptations and interpretations to make the system work for them.

Odunayaw:
Any tactic is only good till the day it fails and starts failing.
My argument all this while is that offensive football or conservative is a means to an end - winning

Anyone chiding any team playing too much of either would be unfair.

Odunayaw:
Any tactic is only good till the day it fails and starts failing.
My argument all this while is that offensive football or conservative is a means to an end - winning

Anyone chiding any team playing too much of either would be unfair.

andrew444:


I dont want to know how to argue seems the truth is bitter

Barca has not won the champions league for the past 4 years according to you ,but i corrected you on that and showed you proof

Sorry bro, the truth is bitter.

bazooka1:

Last time Barcelona won the champions league, they played direct football under Luis Enrique.No ticki tacka
This is common knowledge.

ChrisKels:


Mbjane stop saying what u know nothing about. Ogbeche just like Amunike played with his real age, not even a second was subtracted. I could remember back in 2012 on kickoffnigeria.com, a good friend/super analyst by name "game147"who was a school mate of Ogbeche at FGC Okigwe shared a pic he took with Ogbeche when Ogbeche was their games prefect in sec school.

TheGoodJoe:



How has "Lucho" (Luis Enrique) arrived at the precipice of a possible treble-winning season?

The basic principles are still the same: Barcelona play possession football with the ball on the deck and produce some of the finest individual moments each and every weekend. They've averaged 69 percent possession across 36 Liga games this season, per WhoScored.com—the highest in Spain and indeed the second-highest in Europe (Bayern average 0.5 percent more)—and utilise a base 4-3-3 formation, as is Barca tradition.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2463053-complete-analysis-of-the-new-look-barcelona-under-luis-enrique.amp.html

Barcelona under Enrique was second highest in Europe behind Guardiola.

bazooka1:


Culled from fourfourtwo.
Happy reading..

TheGoodJoe:



How has "Lucho" (Luis Enrique) arrived at the precipice of a possible treble-winning season?

The basic principles are still the same: Barcelona play possession football with the ball on the deck and produce some of the finest individual moments each and every weekend. They've averaged 69 percent possession across 36 Liga games this season, per WhoScored.com—the highest in Spain and indeed the second-highest in Europe (Bayern average 0.5 percent more)—and utilise a base 4-3-3 formation, as is Barca tradition.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2463053-complete-analysis-of-the-new-look-barcelona-under-luis-enrique.amp.html

Barcelona under Enrique was second highest in Europe behind Guardiola.

bazooka1:


Culled from fourfourtwo.
Happy reading..

bazooka1:



This was reflected in the passing figures. In their title-winning season under Vilanova, in 2012/13, the seven Barça players with the most passes per 90 minutes in La Liga were all central midfielders. The highest averages were hit by Xavi (118.2), Thiago Alcantara (111.9) and Andrés Iniesta (96.3). After those seven came full-backs Dani Alves and Jordi Alba.

That's all changed under Luis Enrique. Barça now keep the ball longer in defence, then find the forwards directly. Messi and Neymar drop deeper to create attacks, while the midfielders move higher and wider and see less of the ball.

Such factors have led to a general loss of control. Barça have gone from a possession average of 65.3% in Luis Enrique’s first season to 62.9% in the second and 61.9% in the third. It has also meant that, out of their top 10 passers in La Liga this season, seven are defenders. Busquets, in particular, is used less: he averaged 93.3 passes per 90 minutes under Vilanova, but has gone from 80.1 to 75 to 72.7 under the current regime


Read more at https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/how-barcelona-lost-their-identity-under-luis-enrique#WdlSGKicVAaJ2pUh.99

TheGoodJoe:



Barcelona set a playmaking benchmark against Borussia Monchengladbach on Tuesday, attempting more passes than any side in a game in Champions League history.

Barcelona goalkeeper Marc-Andre ter Stegen set a new passing record in La Liga after completing 51 of his 62 passes against Athletic Bilbao.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goal.com/en/amp/news/barcelona-pass-masters-break-champions-league-record/1i1d2r8rfdnfp1ryo91lbakygu

bazooka1:



This was reflected in the passing figures. In their title-winning season under Vilanova, in 2012/13, the seven Barça players with the most passes per 90 minutes in La Liga were all central midfielders. The highest averages were hit by Xavi (118.2), Thiago Alcantara (111.9) and Andrés Iniesta (96.3). After those seven came full-backs Dani Alves and Jordi Alba.

That's all changed under Luis Enrique. Barça now keep the ball longer in defence, then find the forwards directly. Messi and Neymar drop deeper to create attacks, while the midfielders move higher and wider and see less of the ball.

Such factors have led to a general loss of control. Barça have gone from a possession average of 65.3% in Luis Enrique’s first season to 62.9% in the second and 61.9% in the third. It has also meant that, out of their top 10 passers in La Liga this season, seven are defenders. Busquets, in particular, is used less: he averaged 93.3 passes per 90 minutes under Vilanova, but has gone from 80.1 to 75 to 72.7 under the current regime


Read more at https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/how-barcelona-lost-their-identity-under-luis-enrique#WdlSGKicVAaJ2pUh.99

TheGoodJoe:


A team having an average of 61.9%, is that not a possessive side? So what are you arguing?

bazooka1:


Ticki tacka is a different kettle of fish altogether.
In my initial post, I said Barca didn't play ticki tacka enroute their last champions league winning campaign under Enrique

TheGoodJoe:


The bolded clearly states that Barcelona kept the ball under Enrique, signifying they were still keeping on to possession. The difference was the transition to attack which was done at a faster rate. It is not saying Barcelona was no more a possessive side under Enrique.

bazooka1:


Ticki tacka is a different kettle of fish altogether.
In my initial post, I said Barca didn't play ticki tacka enroute their last champions league winning campaign under Enrique. The fact and figures support my claim.
Luis Enrique is a more direct and counter attacking coach than ticki tacka.

TheGoodJoe:


Who said Enrique played a replica of Guardiola's side? They still played Possession football. Now you know.

Finito.

bazooka1:


Yet their possession stat was dropping every season for the time he was incharge. Enrique is a direct kind of manager.

TheGoodJoe:


Luis Enrique is a possessive coach. That is the point. Coaches have different variants. That does not mean they do not play possessive football.

Finito.

bazooka1:

The argument was about ticki tacka not just possession football. Good night and God bless.

said direct play, No tiki taka. Which is totally wrong. There was tiki taka with an attacking variant to it.

Finito.

Good night a d sweet dreams.

TheGoodJoe:


Possession stats dropping does not mean abandoning the ideals of the possessive game play.

Enrique is a possessive coach.

Finito.

bazooka1:

Their drop in possession stats under him do not support your claims Mr.

bazooka1:

If the possession stats are dropping, it means he yielded more possession to the opposition,which makes him, you know, kinda direct....

TheGoodJoe:


You said direct play, No tiki taka. Which is totally wrong. There was tiki taka with an attacking variant to it.

Finito.

Good night a d sweet dreams.

TheGoodJoe:


WTF.

61.9% which is their lowest average is still a high percentage and shows it was a possessive side.

How the Heck does that not support my claim?

bazooka1:


Yielding more possession to the opposition and going counter is not so possessive.
As a matter of fact, Barca players and Messi in particular weren't comfortable with their style under Enrique, they complained and he was booted out.

bazooka1:

The significant drop in possession under Enrique was apparent. Shedding 70/75% down to 61% says alot about his preference for a system not ticki tacka.