shadeyinka:

No theist can believe in God as a "backup". That is why the Pascal's Wager is counter Faith to true believe.

Did u say no theist? Did u even read the op, when he said the he opened this thread based on his interaction with a theist?

The Wager isn't for those who believe. It is for those who do not so that they can logically make up their mind as per risk to reward ratio as it concerns believe in God.

By those who do not believe, so u mean atheists? The last time I checked atheists are the ones arguing against it based on what we think the theist or believers stand should be. Instead here u are saying it is very reasonable (for who, I wonder)

With all the differences in religions, the foundermemtal basis is still FIRST a Believe in the Existence of a Creator. Without this, every sect, denomination, religious institutions BREAK DOWN with respect to the God of Abraham

U and I know that the theist stand is beyond just the believe in the existence of the creator... The theist stand on God, which is beyond just the believe in the existence of a creator is the reason why the atheist think the Pascal's wager is not reasonable enough.

This is the issue Blaise Pascal was addressing!

Ya, we know and I wonder why theists always quote it

NPComplete:

These people and dishonest arguments. So we should group all Abrahamic religions together now, right? Later it is u that will still belligerently claim u don't serve the same god as Muslims do.

Yes, YHWH is not Allah. I stand by this, but Allah promises the Muslims His paradise if they obey him and YHWH did too. This is why i said group them. But if you feel you can't, then by all means start mentioning these other gods allah included.

NPComplete:

So u think your religion is the one with one of the most barbaric punitive measure and for that it deserves a special status in the comity of religions. LMAO. It doesn't. It is a joke to the rest of us the same way other religions are a joke to u.

This is not about the religion with punitive measures, it's about the religions which advocates Paradise and Condemnation in the afterlife. Go ahead and mention the 500 religions you talked abt.

NPComplete:

As long as there are opposing views in Christianity, then Pascal's Wager cannot be analogous to one simple pot on the road.

See? This is the reason why i don't engage you, you are inconsistent. Is this argument about the Opposing views in Christianity or about you bringing in 500 other gods which had no reason being in this discuss? This is not abt the different Christian sects, it's abt you and these other gods, for this is the only reason i came into this thread.

NPComplete:

That is the whole point of my argument on this thread. Shadeyinka is trying to make it seem like it is just a simple case of believing in a god or not. But we know it is more like believing in one of many gods and then believing in the right version of that one true god and then keeping the commandments of that god to the letter.

Listen, i for one does not believe in many gods hence, when i talk, i stand by the God i believe in and i see that that is what Shadeyinka did.
This thread is about a warning which is left for us to either obey and get a reward or disobey and be reap the consequence of it disobedience. Now, my God, whose name is YHWH/Jesus, teaches that Obedience will lead me to His paradise and disobedience will land me in the Fire of Hell. I expected you to remain in within this premise because hardly does any other of these 500 gods you brought in talks about the AfterLife, rewards and punitive measure there.

But, you being the real atheist that you are, tried to rubbish the point by trying to bring in 500 gods and make it seem like we Christians are trying to seem like our God is the Only True God, (which by the way, He is).

So, go on and present these your gods and their ideas of the Afterlife.

NPComplete:

The probability of that is close to not believing in any god at all.

Guy, the only reason i came in here is because you tried to shift the Goal Post. Get back inline.

NPComplete:

Pakistan, u will probably be arguing for Islam and Mohammed with the same vehement close-mindedness u currently exhibit.

Yes, if i was born in Pakistan i will probably be a muslim. And, i will believe in Allah who promises Paradise or Hell in the Afterelife.

But, this is not the argument. The point is your 500 gods. Go ahead pls, i'm waiting.

NPComplete:


Nope not all beliefs. Some believe that should u do evil or fail to live up to expectation, u will be reincarnated as something lesser than human. Like grass or something. There are different incarnation based beliefs.

Good. So you believe that to those who believe that if one lived below expectation (of who exactly, i mean which God?), in the previous life, they can reincarnate as a lizard or a flower right, now, will that then mean that being reincarnated as something lesser than human is punishment? And, this world which they reincarnated back to, as their AfterLife?

To these your devotees, what did they say abt their Paradise? Or is it only being reincarnated to lesser creatures they talk abt?

Now, haven pointed this out, have you seen that you shouldn't group YHWH with these your gods?

YHWH states clearly what you shd or shd not do. There's reward and Punitive measures IN THE AFTERLIFE. My point is IN THE AFTERELIFE.

hakeem4:
so, today I was having a conversation with some of my friends and one of us who is a theist made a statement “well I believe in god because at the end of the day if there is a god I would be save but if there is none, then I have nothing to lose.”
Then immediately I remembered about the Pascal's Wager. Now I think many theists just believe in god just in case there is a god at the end of the day so they would have nothing to lose. But I am sorry the actual truth is if you use the pascal wager you have a lot to lose
(1) The most prominent argument is that you tend to believe only ONE god exists. Now let’s look at it, there are many more religions and there would be many more gods! To rule Over these other religions. And there have also been more gods that do no longer exists. Now if you believe "your god" is the "right god" that will be very funny of you, what if there is a god at the end of the day and you chose the wrong one, you’re no better than an atheist who does not even believe in any and at the end of the day you end up in the same destination which the “right god” has set for people who don’t believe in him.
(2) countless number of people believe that there is an afterlife, a life where when you have left the earth you dine with your god. And most of these gods tend to make you believe that once you suffer here on earth you will enjoy in the afterlife. So, most people choose to suffer on earth so they can enjoy in the afterlife *tragic*
(3) thirdly, if you think there is a god, you will lose a lot of things. You lose the only ONE chance you had to live under the sun on this planet to enjoy yourself and think for yourself. Meaning You lived the one and only life you had, based upon a lie. If a Muslim, for instance, is wrong, he has lost all for instance their entire belief system, and most especially their morals.

Sorry, I don't live on Pascal wager or whatever you call it. I frown at such thinking anyway. I am experiencing God everyday of my life and his awesome presence is with me always. Because I believe the right thing.

This is becoming boring. Guy, the last time i checked every Christian sect believed that...
1. Jehovah is the Only One True God.

2. That Jesus is His Only begotten Son.

3. That the Holy Bible is His Word.

That Jehovah created the Heavens and Earth and put Adam and Eve in Eden.

That, Adam and Eve sinned and brought damnation.

That Jesus was born of a Virgin

That Jesus died and resurrected after three days.

That He ascended to Heaven and He is coming back.

So, name a Christian sect which holds an opposing view from this and i will tell you that it's not Christian.

NPComplete:


So my analogy holds.
If one person says God hates people wearing earnings and they will go to hell fire and another person says otherwise,

Your analogy is like pouring water on the back of a duck.

So you believe that the denomination which forbids wearing ears serves a different God from the one which allows it? Have you ever heard of the word 'Doctrine?'. That is what it is, Doctrine. and doctrines do not determine New Birth (Regeneration in the Spirit). See how your analogy sags out?

NPComplete:


since we have no way of knowing which way actually leads to God, we can classify them as 2 unverified gods who have distinct tastes.

You mean, 'Since YOU have no way of knowing the way to God?', because i do. Here itOne Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John:14:6

Pls speak for yourself. Don't group us together.

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Anas09:
This is becoming boring. Guy, the last time i checked every Christian sect believed that...
1. Jehovah is the Only One True God.

2. That Jesus is His Only begotten Son.

3. That the Holy Bible is His Word.

That Jehovah created the Heavens and Earth and put Adam and Eve in Eden.

That, Adam and Eve sinned and brought damnation.

That Jesus was born of a Virgin

That Jesus died and resurrected after three days.

That He ascended to Heaven and He is coming back.

So, name a Christian sect which holds an opposing view from this and i will tell you that it's not Christian.


Your analogy is like pouring water on the back of a duck.

So you believe that the denomination which forbids wearing ears serves a different God from the one which allows it? Have you ever heard of the word 'Doctrine?'. That is what it is, Doctrine. and doctrines do not determine New Birth (Regeneration in the Spirit). See how your analogy sags out?


You mean, 'Since YOU have no way of knowing the way to God?', because i do. Here itOne Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John:14:6

Pls speak for yourself. Don't group us together.

I have been ignoring u since and I still wanted to ignore u because u guys can be very dishonest. The mere fact that u want to group all Abrahamic religions together into one so as to suit ur narrative is funny enough.

But let me indulge u. For one last time. Since it seems u have left the discussion and purpose of my initial argument on this thread and u are just rambling instead.

This thread is about Pascal's Wager. Shadeyinka came in here and started lying like u Christians always do. He compared Pascal's Wager to a pot in the middle of the road with a supposedly deadly snake and the possibility of a reward if u don't stick ur hand in the pot.
That is where the initial Christian dishonesty started. In doing so, he has completely discarded opposing views among religions, discarded all the various sects in a religion and discarded all the commandments u have to keep. His argument was like saying believing in a god is enough to guarantee a good afterlife. He conveniently forgot the technicalities.
To be clear, in his analogy, the pot is not god. The person who is giving the reward is the god. If u don't understand this, why are u on this thread arguing.

In counter to his analogy, I gave another more accurate one. In mine, I actually put the reward inside the pot. Hence the pot contains 100kg of gold. Then I correctly pointed out the fact that most of these religions also claim that the other way will only lead to less than optimal outcomes. Hence the claim that other pots contain poisonous snakes. In my analogy, the pot is the defined way of getting the reward. That way can be one religion or a sect in one religion. It doesn't matter. As long as two sects in the same religion don't agree on the exact way to get the reward, those are 2 different pots.

Since Deeper life claims wearing earrings will lead u to hell, and Christ embassy doesn't mind, it means that following Christ embassy puts u at risk of hell if Deeper life turns out to be right. 2 different pots.
If u are still not getting it by now, I can't help u.

Pascal's Wager is about reward not about gods. The existence of the god is moot. But the reward is there. It tries to help u maximize that reward. But it oversimplifies by assuming just believing in a god is enough for the reward. Whereas there are many other factors to consider.

I am not even an atheist but the fact that u guys can't even bring a better argument than a dumb theory like Pascal's Wager is the reason why u keep losing the argument against atheists and skeptics. It is the reason u keep losing your fellow Christians to logic.

It is interesting isn't it

Theists do not believe in Paschal's wager but some how they expect atheists to be convinced,I have pointed the two problems I have with it and I would point them out again

1)there are many belief systems/religions/gods who promise hell or some sort of after life punishment to non-followers so the problem of which to choose arises remember that the wager is simply "logic" hence working based on that if you choose any of the religions your probability of being correct is really small
2)there is no belief system/religion/God who promises eternal bliss to people who simply belief in it,in fact belief is just the first step

For Paschal's wager to make sense the following has to be the case

1) there is only ONE GOD in the picture
2)GOD would offer anyone who simply believes in it eternal life

Apparently the former is the case,hence Paschal's Wager is bullshít as far as I'm concerned

frank317:

Did u say no theist? Did u even read the op, when he said the he opened this thread based on his interaction with a theist?


By those who do not believe, so u mean atheists? The last time I checked atheists are the ones arguing against it based on what we think the theist or believers stand should be. Instead here u are saying it is very reasonable (for who, I wonder)


U and I know that the theist stand is beyond just the believe in the existence of the creator... The theist stand on God, which is beyond just the believe in the existence of a creator is the reason why the atheist think the Pascal's wager is not reasonable enough.


Ya, we know and I wonder why theists always quote it

Believing in God as a Backup isn't Faith!

What is Pascal's Wager all about?

Pascal's Wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist Blaise Pascal (1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.

Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).[2]

Pascal's Wager was based on the idea of the Christian God, though similar arguments have occurred in other religious traditions. The original wager was set out in section 233 of Pascal's posthumously published Pensées ("Thoughts". These previously unpublished notes were assembled to form an incomplete treatise on Christian apologetics.

Historically, Pascal's Wager was groundbreaking because it charted new territory in probability theory,[3] marked the first formal use of decision theory, and anticipated future philosophies such as existentialism, pragmatism and voluntarism.[4]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager

Then don't change the Pascals Wager into something it is not.

The Pascal's Wager is focused on the Fundermentals (believe in God): it doesn't focus on Obedience to Gods WILL.

Without the Believe, It is impossible to Obey .

The argument of whether the God of Abraham is YHWH or Allah falls under Obedience!

frank317:


By allah, I mean the ones Muslims believe in, the same Muslims u say worship the same God as u. Do u believe u worship the same God with Muslims?

You are trying hard to use the "Principle of Exception".

Your question about my personal belive does not answer Pascal's postulate!

bloodofthelamb:



Sorry, I don't live on Pascal wager or whatever you call it. I frown at such thinking anyway. I am experiencing God everyday of my life and his awesome presence is with me always. Because I believe the right thing.

that is good of you. when you mean experience what do you actually mean. can you give me example of the experience you get

NPComplete:


I have been ignoring u since and I still wanted to ignore u because u guys can be very dishonest. The mere fact that u want to group all Abrahamic religions together into one so as to suit ur narrative is funny enough.

But let me indulge u. For one last time. Since it seems u have left the discussion and purpose of my initial argument on this thread and u are just rambling instead.

This thread is about Pascal's Wager. Shadeyinka came in here and started lying like u Christians always do. He compared Pascal's Wager to a pot in the middle of the road with a supposedly deadly snake and the possibility of a reward if u don't stick ur hand in the pot.
That is where the initial Christian dishonesty started. In doing so, he has completely discarded opposing views among religions, discarded all the various sects in a religion and discarded all the commandments u have to keep. His argument was like saying believing in a god is enough to guarantee a good afterlife. He conveniently forgot the technicalities.
To be clear, in his analogy, the pot is not god. The person who is giving the reward is the god. If u don't understand this, why are u on this thread arguing.

In counter to his analogy, I gave another more accurate one. In mine, I actually put the reward inside the pot. Hence the pot contains 100kg of gold. Then I correctly pointed out the fact that most of these religions also claim that the other way will only lead to less than optimal outcomes. Hence the claim that other pots contain poisonous snakes. In my analogy, the pot is the defined way of getting the reward. That way can be one religion or a sect in one religion. It doesn't matter. As long as two sects in the same religion don't agree on the exact way to get the reward, those are 2 different pots.

Since Deeper life claims wearing earrings will lead u to hell, and Christ embassy doesn't mind, it means that following Christ embassy puts u at risk of hell if Deeper life turns out to be right. 2 different pots.
If u are still not getting it by now, I can't help u.

Pascal's Wager is about reward not about gods. The existence of the god is moot. But the reward is there. It tries to help u maximize that reward. But it oversimplifies by assuming just believing in a god is enough for the reward. Whereas there are many other factors to consider.

I am not even an atheist but the fact that u guys can't even bring a better argument than a dumb theory like Pascal's Wager is the reason why u keep losing the argument against atheists and skeptics. It is the reason u keep losing your fellow Christians to logic.

Yes, Pascal Wager is not about gods but rewards, why then did you bring in the 500 others religious gods? Remember no one mention gods but you.

If you can go back and read again, it was because of you mentioning gods that made me ask you how many of your gods promises rewards in the AfterLife. But, You have craftily evaded that but are everywhere shouting dishonesty.

hakeem4:
that is good of you. when you mean experience what do you actually mean. can you give me example of the experience you get

Where do I start? Can you understand spiritual things? Though cannot fully put it in words but I will try. Every time I lift up a song to the Lord, proclaiming him as my righteousness his anointing floods me like a river. It keeps pouring on me even as I am typing this now. I must tell you that nobody is physically pouring anything on my head but I keep experiencing liquid like substance dropping on me with great intensity.

What about the coolest breeze of His presence blowing on me. Or should I talk about sparks of light I keep experiencing especially when I am meditating on his amazing love for me. l have so many more but let me stop here and wait for your mocking.

NPComplete:




This thread is about Pascal's Wager. Shadeyinka came in here and started lying like u Christians always do.
He compared Pascal's Wager to a pot in the middle of the road with a supposedly deadly snake and the possibility of a reward if u don't stick ur hand in the pot.
That is where the initial Christian dishonesty started. In .

I can see why it is difficult having an intelligent conversation with you!
...a lie is a comparison/analogy!
SMH

Since Deeper life claims wearing earrings will lead u to hell,

Please find a single document from deeper life that says this. If you cannot find one, we know who the lier is!

shadeyinka:

I can see why it is difficult having an intelligent conversation with you!
...a lie is a comparison/analogy!
SMH



Please find a single document from deeper life that says this. If you cannot find one, we know who the lier is!

Lol. I was born and raised in Deeper life, u clown. I don't need a document to tell u what I grew up learning. There's even a Bible verse we use to support the argument then.

And, yes, an analogy is a lie if you deliberately leave out details of the real thing and oversimplify it in order to help your argument. If your analogy deliberately avoids majority of the variables in reality. Then it is no longer an analogy. Because it is in no way analogous. It becomes a fabrication. Which is what liars do.

Anyone still quoting Paschal's Wager as an analog to reality is a liar. You, my friend, are the biggest liar of them all.

shadeyinka:

I can see why it is difficult having an intelligent conversation with you!
...a lie is a comparison/analogy!
SMH



Please find a single document from deeper life that says this. If you cannot find one, we know who the lier is!

Lol @ document from deeper life that claims wearing earring is a sin? Are u for real? And when someone calls u dishonest or lying u take offence.
The fact is that u are yet to take a stand on Pascal's wager... Are u for it or against it?

See how the lying spirit artfully twisted it again!

Since Deeper life claims wearing earrings will lead u to hell

frank317:


Lol @ document from deeper life that claims wearing earring is a sin? Are u for real? And when someone calls u dishonest or lying u take offence.
The fact is that u are yet to take a stand on Pascal's wager... Are u for it or against it?

Every church has an article of belief, it's not difficult to quote out of it!
Lying lier!

NPComplete:


Lol. I was born and raised in Deeper life, u clown. I don't need a document to tell u what I grew up learning. There's even a Bible verse we use to support the argument then.

And, yes, an analogy is a lie if you deliberately leave out details of the real thing and oversimplify it in order to help your argument. If your analogy deliberately avoids majority of the variables in reality. Then it is no longer an analogy. Because it is in no way analogous. It becomes a fabrication. Which is what liars do.

Anyone still quoting Paschal's Wager as an analog to reality is a liar. You, my friend, are the biggest liar of them all.

Deeper lives doctrine should not be difficult for you to get since you were a former member. Just quote from the Articles of Faith of Deeper life and I will know your aren't a Lier!

Since Deeper life claims wearing earrings will lead u to hell,

shadeyinka:

Deeper lives doctrine should not be difficult for you to get since you were a former member. Just quote from the Articles of Faith of Deeper life and I will know your aren't a Lier!

I am not showing u jack. Any real deeper life member can attest to what I say I don't need to show any document to an artful dodger like u. Even your fellow Christians can't argue against this.
Everyone who comes to read this conversation now can easily tell what a liar u are. Lol. You have done my work here for me. Dishonest Christian.

NPComplete:


I am not showing u jack. Any real deeper life member can attest to what I say I don't need to show any document to an artful dodger like u. Even your fellow Christians can't argue against this.
Everyone who comes to read this conversation now can easily tell what a liar u are. Lol. You have done my work here for me. Dishonest Christian.

Case established!
No evidence...but I should go and ask deep life members.

You insinuated: what deeper Iife believes was as per going to hell with nothing to substanciate!

shadeyinka:
See how the lying spirit artfully twisted it again!




Every church has an article of belief, it's not difficult to quote out of it!
Lying lier!

Chairman, i, particular was brought up in a Pentecostal church, watchman catholic renewal movement in particular. Here wearing earring or trouser is a sin that can lead one to hell. Praying to Mary mother of Jesus is a sin, while Catholic deeem it fit to continue asking her to help them talk to Jesus.
My dad practically ensured my sisters do not wear earring and till date he complains whenever his sees my wife wear them. I practically heard pastor muoka, choosen founder, say that ladies who wear earring will burn in hell.
I really don't know what u are about. U musnt lie to won argumenta

frank317:


Chairman, i, particular was brought up in a Pentecostal church, watchman catholic renewal movement in particular. Here wearing earring or trouser is a sin that can lead one to hell. Praying to Mary mother of Jesus is a sin, while Catholic deeem it fit to continue asking her to help them talk to Jesus.
My dad practically ensured my sisters do not wear earring and till date he complains whenever his sees my wife wear them. I practically heard pastor muoka, choosen founder, say that ladies who wear earring will burn in hell.
I really don't know what u are about. U musnt lie to won argumenta

All I needed was a quote from a written document officially belonging to DCLM. Is it too much to ask from a person who's Justification of not believing in God is Lack of (physical) Evidence!?

shadeyinka:

All I needed was a quote from a written document officially belonging to DCLM. Is it too much to ask from a person who's Justification of not believing in God is Lack of (physical) Evidence!?

Written document of what they preach? Are
u deliberately acting like a yahoo yahoo boy?

shadeyinka:

Case established!
No evidence...but I should go and ask deep life members.

You insinuated: what deeper Iife believes was as per going to hell with nothing to substanciate!

Keep clowning yourself. I have established what I want to establish here. Hide ur head in the sand all u want. The mere fact u have to lie about Deeper Life and earrings just to help yourself shows my job is done here.

This clown was even asking me to quote Deeper Life articles of faith as if those doctrines explicitly state the sins or acts Deeper Life abhors. And because he knows he himself is a damned liar, he thinks everyone is a liar like him so I must be lying about my history with Deeper Life. Pathetic. Lol

Even current Deeper Life members will be shaking their head at ur dishonesty and the shame u are bringing to Christianity. Lol. Lying Christian.

bloodofthelamb:


Where do I start? Can you understand spiritual things? Though cannot fully put it in words but I will try. Every time I lift up a song to the Lord, proclaiming him as my righteousness his anointing floods me like a river. It keeps pouring on me even as I am typing this now. I must tell you that nobody is physically pouring anything on my head but I keep experiencing liquid like substance dropping on me with great intensity.

What about the coolest breeze of His presence blowing on me. Or should I talk about sparks of light I keep experiencing especially when I am meditating on his amazing love for me. l have so many more but let me stop here and wait for your mocking.

well I understand where you’re coming from, but what I can tell you is when next you have these type of feelings, we can take you for an EEG test , then we tell you what part of your brain is showing those electric patterns, and tell you how exactly you’re feeling which means it’s not god.

NPComplete:


Keep clowning yourself. I have established what I want to establish here. Hide ur head in the sand all u want. The mere fact u have to lie about Deeper Life and earrings just to help yourself shows my job is done here.

This clown was even asking me to quote Deeper Life articles of faith as if those doctrines explicitly state the sins or acts Deeper Life abhors. And because he knows he himself is a damned liar, he thinks everyone is a liar like him so I must be lying about my history with Deeper Life. Pathetic. Lol

Even current Deeper Life members will be shaking their head at ur dishonesty and the shame u are bringing to Christianity. Lol. Lying Christian.

It's amazing the kind of unwholesome words that comes from your heart in the name of a mere difference in opinion!
SMH

Shaithan is indeed succeeding!

frank317:


Written document of what they preach? Are
u deliberately acting like a yahoo yahoo boy?

Articles of Faith!

This is where the doctrinal believes of a Church is explicitly stated out!
.

shadeyinka:

Articles of Faith!

This is where the doctrinal believes of a Church is explicitly stated out!
.

Where u given any article of faith before u knew ur church doctrine? Throughout my years in my church, I never saw any article of faith but I knew what the watchman doctrine was. I know the JW doctrine and I have never seen their article of faith. This is what they preach.
I think u have just run our of what to say. I am still to take ur stand on pascal's wager, u didn't respond to my last response to ur comment on it. Stop this joke and get back to topic

frank317:


Where u given any article of faith before u knew ur church doctrine? Throughout my years in my church, I never saw any article of faith but I knew what the watchman doctrine was. I know the JW doctrine and I have never seen their article of faith. This is what they preach.
I think u have just run our of what to say. I am still to take ur stand on pascal's wager, u didn't respond to my last response to ur comment on it. Stop this joke and get back to topic

Don't mind the guy. He has run out of points and ideas.
The Deeper Life articles of faith doesn't even mention fornication as a sin. Nor does it mention murder. According to that clown, Deeperlife do not believe both of those acts can lead anyone to hell since they are not in their articles of faith. LMAO

frank317:


Where u given any article of faith before u knew ur church doctrine? Throughout my years in my church, I never saw any article of faith but I knew what the watchman doctrine was. I know the JW doctrine and I have never seen their article of faith. This is what they preach.
I think u have just run our of what to say. I am still to take ur stand on pascal's wager, u didn't respond to my last response to ur comment on it. Stop this joke and get back to topic

Then, before you conclude on what you think others believe, ask for their article of Faith. I don't know a single Church which doesn't have one.

hakeem4:
well I understand where you’re coming from, but what I can tell you is when next you have these type of feelings, we can take you for an EEG test , then we tell you what part of your brain is showing those electric patterns, and tell you how exactly you’re feeling which means it’s not god.

Did I expect more? Certainly not!

shadeyinka:

Then, before you conclude on what you think others believe, ask for their article of Faith. I don't know a single Church which doesn't have one.

No be only article of faith. Have u seen Jw article of faith? Do they accept blood transmission?

shadeyinka:

Believing in God as a Backup isn't Faith!

Back up for who? People of faith?
If it isn't faith why are people of faith quoting it? Why should people of faith use something that isn't faith as back up?

What is Pascal's Wager all about?


Then don't change the Pascals Wager into something it is not.

The Pascal's Wager is focused on the Fundermentals (believe in God): it doesn't focus on Obedience to Gods WILL.

Without the Believe, It is impossible to Obey .

The argument of whether the God of Abraham is YHWH or Allah falls under Obedience!

We are not changing it, we are saying its insufficient and has so many floors for people of faith.