MJBOLT:

that guy is a clueless noob,christians and muslims do not even worship the same god

Martinez39:
What if you god is the wrong god?

Veiniously:

Who told you

Veiniously:
Who told you

Veiniously:


What wrong God again
As far am concerned it's not

MJBOLT:
.

Confirmed scientific theories are never wrong since they are based on observations, they may only be upgraded or superceded by a better one in the event of new observations.

Martinez39:
Okay.


If you read my posts, you would know that I am talking about religious gods when I say that there is no god. My observations has led me to conclude that mankind is own it's own to solve it's problem and there is no help coming from anywhere.


If you mean near death experiences, check out one of my recent topics about NDEs under the moniker Martinez19.



When talked about abilities, I never meant physical abilities. Of course there are variations amongst us. I was talking about spiritual abilities. No one has spiritual abilities. Everyone is just human, nothing special. What is spiritually impossible for me is spiritually impossible for everyone.

Lol. What you call mysteries are natural processes that we haven't figured out yet. Confirmed scientific theories are never wrong since they are based on observations, they may only be upgraded or superceded by a better one in the event of new observations. Newton's law of gravity was superceded by General Relativity. Newton's law wasn't wrong but it had a small range of validity which was expanded by Einstein's theory.

Martinez39:
When we are born, our minds are at tabula rasa. What we know depends on our environment, experiences, exposure and, where possible, the indoctrination our society has given us. Reality is such that no matter what we believe, it doesn't change and it doesn't care about our feelings. Given that many grew up believing the wrong things and are still believing these things, I find it important to set things straight. It might be that many are sensible but still not aware of certain things. Without wasting your time, here are hard facts about life.

1) THERE IS NO GOD AND YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN : a lot might not agree but I challenge you to show me any evidence that god exists. Your life struggle is yours to bear and no god is coming to help you out. No matter how much you pray, what god you believe in and how morally upright you are, nature will always take it's course and if you don't do the right thing, you won't get the right result. Religion, psychic stuffs and other spiritual stuffs are ridiculous falsehoods with no sound basis in reality. Do away with them and start facing reality.

2) THERE IS NO AFTERLIFE : once you die, that's it. Your cease existing forever after you die and there is no coming back. So do all you want now that you are alive. This world is all there is, there is no spiritual/unseen world. This is where you succeed, this is where you fail. If you don't make it here, forget it and there is no second chance. This is where you are happy, this where you are sad. Once time has passed, it can never be regained.

3) PEOPLE HAVE THEIR PRICE : people are not moral. With the right amount of money and desperation, people will do immoral and mean things. For many, morality is only when it's convenient. Learn not to trust anyone for even your enemies may smile a lot. Money reveals people's true colour. When it comes to money, people are not to be trusted and are mean spirited opportunists. When you have money, people (men and women) will gather round you. They don't give a damn about you but your money. Learn to say "no," spend your money on yourself and leave the rest for your children.

4) SUCCESS IS NEVER GUARANTEED UNTIL IT IS ACHIEVED : that boy or girl that looked almost certain to succeed might end up turning out to be a "failure" in future. That boy or girl that was looked down upon might be the highest achiever in future. No one, I repeat no one, can know the future. You might do everything right and die before you reap the fruit of your labour. You might suddenly have an accident or disease that would render you useless no matter how bright you were. You might be lucky to make it. There is nothing like a way to make it in life instead all you have are principles that increases your chances at making it in life but chances are what they are and are not certainty. Until it is achieved, success is not guaranteed.

5) LIFE ON EARTH HAS NO PURPOSE : you exist for no reason. The universe doesn't owe you any meaning to your existence. The meaning your life has is the meaning you give to it. There is nothing like destiny and fate. Your life is how you plan it.

6) NOT EVERYONE WILL MAKE IT IN LIFE : we all know this but still like to act like success is our birthright because we think our life is in the hands of an imaginary god. Even if we all work hard, not all of us will make it and you could be among those that don't make it. Even among those that succeed, there will be variation. Some will make it early while some will make it late. Some will be privileged to be born in a successful family while some will be born in poor families.

7) YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL : that HIV you hear about can happen to you. That cancer you hear about can happen to you. That rape you read about in the news can happen to you. That ghastly accident you read on nairaland, newspaper and see on tv can happen to you. In short anything bad can happen to you. That untimely death you see and hear from wherever can happen to you. Who the hell are you to think that you are immune to these things?

THE UNIVERSE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MORALITY. ALL IS CAUSE AND EFFECT : good things happen to bad people; good things happen to good people; bad things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. Do the right thing and you will get the right result. It doesn't matter whether your approach is legal or not (legality and illegality are man's construct), apply the rules and you will get the right results. Cause and effect agrees with the strong overcoming the weak that's why your corrupt and powerful politician can unduly put you in jail and you will rot there no matter how morally upright you are. Your saving grace is if there is a more powerful force to save you and keep him in check. The universe cares about rules and facts not morality and your constitution.

9) INJUSTICE, NO KARMA AND WICKEDNESS : The universe doesn't care about your wellbeing and disputes. That guy that raped you might never be caught and would go on to marry and be happy till he dies while you struggle to make a living. That rich guy that snatched your girlfriend or the girlfriend that cruelly snubbed you and went for a rich man might end up building a happy marriage and home while you keep on struggling. Justice is man's duty to uphold. That man that stole all your money might invest it and be successful while you rot away; that man or woman that stole your idea might use it to make billions while you rot away into oblivion and poverty; that fake friend that cruelly snubbed you during your hard time might live a life of fulfilment while you rot away in misery; that cultist that shot your sister might never be found and may go on to live a successful and happy life. There is nothing like karma, if man doesn't seek justice then justice will never be implemented. Sorry for you if you think god will avenge your hurt and fight your battles. Sorry for you if the person you want to bring justice upon is very powerful. Take heart, it's life.

... to be continued

TheEminentLaity:
It seems you misunderstood what I posted earlier. Further reading of comments from this thread made me understand that, from your admittance, you do not know how the universe came about, neither do you know of 'the process(es)' from which it came about. How then did you become an atheist, what informed your decision, moreso if you came from a religious background? The gist of my earlier post is that you make suppositions with a certainty that is similar to religious fundamentalists that say 'there is (a) god'

You display an ignorance of the history of science. Chemistry had it foundations on alchemy. Theories are superceded, some become obsolete and some eventually turn out to be wrong. A simple internet search would reveal that. I don't believe in arguing for argument sake and I find many atheists reason that way. I would rather learn than win an argument.

Your original post reads like you are certain that there is no god, no afterlife, no 'supernatural' abilities even when you do not even know anything about the universe and the processes that led to its existence. It makes one think that you do this only to annoy the religious folks since you do not have any basis for your somewhat extreme positions.

I am not religious btw, neither do I believe in any god because I do not see anything in my existence and learning that shows that there is one. My position is based on something, mainly science and personal experience, but science itself is prone to changes. Why I insist that one cannot be stand on science and speak like a zealot.

Also, one cannot be an atheist – ala THERE IS NO GOD – in the literal sense because being that also requires evidence to show that there isn't a god, which everyone knows has not been proven. Those who then outrightly dismiss completely any possibility of a god/beign/intelligence is no different from a god believer.

https://www.famousscientists.org/10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-were-later-debunked/
https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-wrong.php

TessBiwom:
Do you believe that you exist?what makes feel the man you call"dad"is actually your father?
What gives you the assurance that when you go to bed at night,you will see the dawn of a new day?

Martinez39:
I overestimated your intelligence. Since you have taken it upon your self to remain ignorant and irrational, there is nothing I can do.

@bold
What?! are you kidding me? so both the bible and Quran are true because people still use and believe them? How can both books, which contradict each other, be valid? According to the Quran, Jesus is just a prophet but according to the Bible, Jesus is god and the son of god. The bible does not even mention Muhammad. SMH. I rest my case.

Kiddogarcia:
You overestimated my intelligence.nice one bro.the bible and the Quran made reference to Julio Caesar,both also talked about queen Sheba,and history tells us that both actually existed.apart from being religious book,both book serves as a way to revisit history,Egypt,Ethiopia,Jordan,Israel etc, are in the bible,and today they still exist till today,so point number one both books are valid
Number two,Muhammad came three hundred years after Christ,so just take a minute to think about this.almost all stories,all happenings in both books were the same,only the Jesus and Muhammad stories differs a bit.so if after three hundred years Muhammad could write a book of that has same stories,prophecy as the bible,then you have to know something was leading him,and that something leading him God.mind you there was no Christian in Arab land at that time,point number two.
We've heard stuff,Noah's ark was found in turkey,the building of queen Sheba still exist,miracles happens everyday,we've heard stories of people who died and came back alive,to tell stuff about after life.point number three
No one was there when evolution theory took place,those people that brought that idea only believed in what they didn't see also,and also there was no evidence that it really took place,so I have a right to believe in God,who I don't see also,but I have little evidence of him.tell me about your physical process am ready

Martinez39:
There are many gods known to man eg. Yahweh, Krishnna, Allah, Eledumare (the Yoruba indigenous god) etc. What makes you think that you god is the right one out of all gods?

Veiniously:


Still the same God different name Gpd has thousands of names more are yet to come

perousd:
Come make I take you go baba side make he nak u with jazz make you cough money cone out. and then you will start explaining how it happened. Instead to seek for truth, you seek for evidence or rather seek to disprove evidences. Before I move on. do you believe that man is a spirit , has a soul and lives in a Body? Do you understand that man can leave their body and go places?do you believe that a woman or man can manipulate weather ,turn to a bird and fly?
I can help you see these things in case you haven't. I can take you to my village if you don't believe.
There's a God that beats your human capacity; intellect and proofs.
There's a master planner of everything. There's a higher power that render the human senses absolutely clueless.
But I'm serious about taking you to my village for proofs. If you do not believe in God after 3 days, I'll refund you for wasting your time.

perousd:
Come make I take you go baba side make he nak u with jazz make you cough money cone out and then you will start explaining how it happened. Instead to seek for truth, you seek for evidence or rather seek to disprove evidences. Before I move on. do you believe that man is a spirit , has a soul and lives in a Body? Do you understand that man can leave their body and go places? do you believe that a woman or man can manipulate weather ,turn to a bird and fly?
I can help you see these things in case you haven't. I can take you to my village if you don't believe.
There's a God that beats your human capacity; intellect and proofs.
There's a master planner of everything. There's a higher power that render the human senses absolutely clueless.
But I'm serious about taking you to my village for proofs. If you do not believe in God after 3 days, I'll refund you for wasting your time.

Martinez39:
@bolds
Trash and nonsense. They are all hear, "dem say dem say, I hear I hear." When I ask people who believe in our traditional voodoo and silly tales if they have seen these things in action, they say "no." It's only hearsay and make believe. You that is alking, have you seen it your own eyes

perousd:

You're evading my request. Where is your location?? let's confirm your assertions. Let's "make you believe" . You have no idea of what is real. you think its by ranting on nairaland! Mtewwwww.

Veiniously:
The truth is that op is scared of the truth

Op knows about spiritualizm....and his even scared to the core
If you can be scared of that the God exist

Martinez39:
No thanks. If you want to believe in ridiculous garbages and falsehoods, suit yourself.

perousd:

Scared little boy. Its not about what you believe. What is:Is!
Reality remains!
Enjoy your delusion! but I promise you that your tears and grammar won't be enough to console you when it matters.

Martinez39:
When we are born, our minds are at tabula rasa. What we know depends on our environment, experiences, exposure and, where possible, the indoctrination our society has given us. Reality is such that no matter what we believe, it doesn't change and it doesn't care about our feelings. Given that many grew up believing the wrong things and are still believing these things, I find it important to set things straight. It might be that many are sensible but still not aware of certain things. Without wasting your time, here are hard facts about life.

1) THERE IS NO GOD AND YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN : a lot might not agree but I challenge you to show me any evidence that god exists. Your life struggle is yours to bear and no god is coming to help you out. No matter how much you pray, what god you believe in and how morally upright you are, nature will always take it's course and if you don't do the right thing, you won't get the right result. Religion, psychic stuffs and other spiritual stuffs are ridiculous falsehoods with no sound basis in reality. Do away with them and start facing reality.

2) THERE IS NO AFTERLIFE : once you die, that's it. Your cease existing forever after you die and there is no coming back. So do all you want now that you are alive. This world is all there is, there is no spiritual/unseen world. This is where you succeed, this is where you fail. If you don't make it here, forget it and there is no second chance. This is where you are happy, this where you are sad. Once time has passed, it can never be regained.

3) PEOPLE HAVE THEIR PRICE : people are not moral. With the right amount of money and desperation, people will do immoral and mean things. For many, morality is only when it's convenient. Learn not to trust anyone for even your enemies may smile a lot. Money reveals people's true colour. When it comes to money, people are not to be trusted and are mean spirited opportunists. When you have money, people (men and women) will gather round you. They don't give a damn about you but your money. Learn to say "no," spend your money on yourself and leave the rest for your children.

4) SUCCESS IS NEVER GUARANTEED UNTIL IT IS ACHIEVED : that boy or girl that looked almost certain to succeed might end up turning out to be a "failure" in future. That boy or girl that was looked down upon might be the highest achiever in future. No one, I repeat no one, can know the future. You might do everything right and die before you reap the fruit of your labour. You might suddenly have an accident or disease that would render you useless no matter how bright you were. You might be lucky to make it. There is nothing like a way to make it in life instead all you have are principles that increases your chances at making it in life but chances are what they are and are not certainty. Until it is achieved, success is not guaranteed.

5) LIFE ON EARTH HAS NO PURPOSE : you exist for no reason. The universe doesn't owe you any meaning to your existence. The meaning your life has is the meaning you give to it. There is nothing like destiny and fate. Your life is how you plan it.

6) NOT EVERYONE WILL MAKE IT IN LIFE : we all know this but still like to act like success is our birthright because we think our life is in the hands of an imaginary god. Even if we all work hard, not all of us will make it and you could be among those that don't make it. Even among those that succeed, there will be variation. Some will make it early while some will make it late. Some will be privileged to be born in a successful family while some will be born in poor families.

7) YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL : that HIV you hear about can happen to you. That cancer you hear about can happen to you. That rape you read about in the news can happen to you. That ghastly accident you read on nairaland, newspaper and see on tv can happen to you. In short anything bad can happen to you. That untimely death you see and hear from wherever can happen to you. Who the hell are you to think that you are immune to these things?

THE UNIVERSE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MORALITY. ALL IS CAUSE AND EFFECT : good things happen to bad people; good things happen to good people; bad things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. Do the right thing and you will get the right result. It doesn't matter whether your approach is legal or not (legality and illegality are man's construct), apply the rules and you will get the right results. Cause and effect agrees with the strong overcoming the weak that's why your corrupt and powerful politician can unduly put you in jail and you will rot there no matter how morally upright you are. Your saving grace is if there is a more powerful force to save you and keep him in check. The universe cares about rules and facts not morality and your constitution.

9) INJUSTICE, NO KARMA AND WICKEDNESS : The universe doesn't care about your wellbeing and disputes. That guy that raped you might never be caught and would go on to marry and be happy till he dies while you struggle to make a living. That rich guy that snatched your girlfriend or the girlfriend that cruelly snubbed you and went for a rich man might end up building a happy marriage and home while you keep on struggling. Justice is man's duty to uphold. That man that stole all your money might invest it and be successful while you rot away; that man or woman that stole your idea might use it to make billions while you rot away into oblivion and poverty; that fake friend that cruelly snubbed you during your hard time might live a life of fulfilment while you rot away in misery; that cultist that shot your sister might never be found and may go on to live a successful and happy life. There is nothing like karma, if man doesn't seek justice then justice will never be implemented. Sorry for you if you think god will avenge your hurt and fight your battles. Sorry for you if the person you want to bring justice upon is very powerful. Take heart, it's life.

... to be continued

catalan15:
This sounds more reasonable but I bet you a lot of people will not agree with u simply because of their inability to differentiate between hope & reality.Truly religious give us hope but what is the essence of the "Hope" that may not come forever.To those who believe in religion,Hope may be good.But to me,I think REALITY is better...

Amakavula:
My answer is going to be long , let me book space..

I am a fencist when it comes to God. Intelligent arguement would suggest God doesn't exist, but we all know the world isn't intelligent or logical.

On one part, believing there isn't a God is quite intelligent, but believing there isn't isn't fulfilling either. What we are left with without a believe in a great force is a void of hopeless and emptiness ; that our lives offer no purpose ( my supervisor from Japan mentioned how Japan is trying to get people more religious to avoid suicides )

I always likened the God argument to a person lost at Sea. There is a 10% chance people are coming to find you, or there is a 90% chance nobody is coming. But I would take 10% all the time due to the hope and believe it inspires. Which could determine how best I thrive for a better life.

Hopelessness isn't cool, Whether God exist or not could be debated back and forth with no conclusion, but Believe brings you assurance of a better future.

Compare this two scenerio: The Doctor says you got Cancer and there isn't a cure and you will die , and nothing can be done.

Or after going back Doctor says he made an error with the Cancer type , that you still got Cancer but people survive it 10% of the time.

The change in emotion in that person could be the difference between life or death. God is that 10%.


On life and meaning, we find our own meaning through our Passions. There is no collective purpose just individual things. I want to be a writer ( script Writer ) to inspire and educated people, that is my purpose and I hope to find fulfilment there.

Lastly there isn't a good thing about pessimism. it makes you depressed, achieve little and look at things in gloom. Cheer up love.