fero007:


really? well i only visited oleh n ozoro once long ago, and the oda few villages i've visited in delta it's only the elderly dat speak d language d youths roll pidgin,
.While in cities warri, asaba, sapele local language is almost extinct(lol)

Local language is almost extinct in Asaba??

darfay:




Speak for yourself. Everybody in isokoland can and actually speaks isoko

My guy stop lying eh Pls.... When not everybody in Ijaw land can speak Ijaw talkless of Isoko. Pls stop it, something that everybody can see with their clear eyes. I no bin wan answer you before sef..

fero007:


really? well i only visited oleh n ozoro once long ago, and the oda few villages i've visited in delta it's only the elderly dat speak d language d youths roll pidgin,
.While in cities warri, asaba, sapele local language is almost extinct(lol)

Ndi Asaba no longer speak Enuani Igbo? You sure about that?

Sinistami:


My guy stop lying eh Pls.... When not everybody in Ijaw land can speak Ijaw talkless of Isoko. Pls stop it, something that everybody can see with their clear eyes. I no bin wan answer you before sef..

What is this fool saying?

Are isoko and ijaw the same?


Which wan is talkless of isoko?

Are you high?

Have you been to isoko land b4 ?

I said isoko and not urhobo!!!!

Sinistami:


No not a dialect

Is epie and atissa the same language?

Sinistami:


My guy stop lying eh Pls.... When not everybody in Ijaw land can speak Ijaw talkless of Isoko. Pls stop it, something that everybody can see with their clear eyes. I no bin wan answer you before sef..

You people are always in every Niger delta thread... Waiting to force igbo down our throats

Probz:


Ndi Asaba no longer speak Enuani Igbo? You sure about that?

Y

Probz:


Ndi Asaba no longer speak Enuani Igbo? You sure about that?

I've only visited asaba, so what i say may be my opinion and not the fact, but what i've noticed is that the people who speak igbo in asaba are the Igbos coming from the east, the enuani people themselves mostly speak pidgin(especially youths) or speak their dialect when they want to talk to eastern igbos. However in general u'll notice the igbo speaking in asaba is far less than the eastern cities(like onitsha, owerri n enugu the only ones i've visited)

like I said, my opinion

darfay:



In my home town olomoro very close to Oleh. Everybody can speak isoko but it's not imposed on anybody. They answer you in the language you speak

The elderly,women, girls of all age, early teen boys and children use isoko to communicate amongst themselves while male youths of certain age code switch between both mostly favour pidgin... I was in oleh not quite long, people there speak also I saw some children and labourers speaking tho but not like us

The reason why our languages are dying is because the youth don't see it as fashionable since there is no new slang(yoruba has a lot thanks to their agberos ), no movies,or music(modern music like olamide and phyno o) but warri pidgin alone is very creative and has a lot of trends that youths like..

I don't know about asaba but I think they should be fully igbo speaking o.

What tribe are you btw

I b urhobo o, currently live in port harcourt, but i grew up in warri, anyway even when i was in warri i was not going to the village like that we only drive past them when travelling, me sef my urhobo na cut n nail

anoda problem I've noticed is the mentality of not only urhobo n isoko pepo, but all south southerners(save for akwaibom/crossriver pepo). Unlike the Yoruba n Igbo, the youths of the SS see their language as sumtin meant 4 d old n undope. It's normal to go a mall or youth party in lagos, ibadan, Akure n hear teens speaking yoruba or to a restaurant or club in enugu, onitsha, owerri n hear teens speaking igbo but u can't go to those places in warri, port harcourt, Benin n hear them speaking their language or even other tribes(yorubas, Igbos, etc) speaking their own language, it feels local to the SSners. Mentality problem, I use to feel that way too until i started travelling and saw that the major tribes didn't share this our menality

fero007:


I b urhobo o, currently live in port harcourt, but i grew up in warri, anyway even when i was in warri i was not going to the village like that we only drive past them when travelling, me sef my urhobo na cut n nail

anoda problem I've noticed is the mentality of not only urhobo n isoko pepo, but all south southerners(save for akwaibom/crossriver pepo). Unlike the Yoruba n Igbo, the youths of the SS see their language as sumtin meant 4 d old n undope. It's normal to go a mall or youth party in lagos, ibadan, Akure n hear teens speaking yoruba or to a restaurant or club in enugu, onitsha, owerri n hear teens speaking igbo but u can't go to those places in warri, port harcourt, Benin n hear them speaking their language or even other tribes(yorubas, Igbos, etc) speaking their own language, it feels local to the SSners. Mentality problem, I use to feel that way too until i started travelling and saw that the major tribes didn't share this our menality

You have said the truth... But don't go around jumping into conclusions about isoko not been spoken my natives of all age in isokoland

That being said we need to do more in other to promote our languages... There used to be this urhobo cartoon like that

darfay:



What is this fool saying?

Are isoko and ijaw the same?


Which wan is talkless of isoko?

Are you high?

Have you been to isoko land b4 ?

I said isoko and not urhobo!!!!

Sorry Pls Abeg my account was hacked....You know I'm the owner of this thread and this your comment has been like a week old if I wanted to say anything it would have been sooner not now Abeg....

darfay:




You people are always in every Niger delta thread... Waiting to force igbo down our throats

How does igbo affect this Shaa. Pls I'm not Igbo I'm Ijaw and my account was hacked, sorry o Pele.

darfay:




Is epie and atissa the same language?

They are two Ijaw Clans that speak an Edoid language called Epie. it has its own several dialects but for now they haven't been studied and I think the way the language is dying it never would be studied.

fero007:


I b urhobo o, currently live in port harcourt, but i grew up in warri, anyway even when i was in warri i was not going to the village like that we only drive past them when travelling, me sef my urhobo na cut n nail

anoda problem I've noticed is the mentality of not only urhobo n isoko pepo, but all south southerners(save for akwaibom/crossriver pepo). Unlike the Yoruba n Igbo, the youths of the SS see their language as sumtin meant 4 d old n undope. It's normal to go a mall or youth party in lagos, ibadan, Akure n hear teens speaking yoruba or to a restaurant or club in enugu, onitsha, owerri n hear teens speaking igbo but u can't go to those places in warri, port harcourt, Benin n hear them speaking their language or even other tribes(yorubas, Igbos, etc) speaking their own language, it feels local to the SSners. Mentality problem, I use to feel that way too until i started travelling and saw that the major tribes didn't share this our menality

You see, wherever there is a conglomerate of other tribes, native languages usually take the back seat and pidgin English becomes more prominent. Yoruba dominates in Ibadan, Akure etc because Yoruba is the sole major tribe there, same for Igbo in Enugu or Owerri but cities like Warri, PH etc are made up of several tribes, thus the major switch to Pidgin at the expense of native languages but a good number of the youths may be able to speak their native languages in private but switch to Pidgin in public.

In PH for example, Pidgin English is dominant at the expense of the Ikwerre language/dialect. In Asaba, the locals have learned to use Pidgin more in Public because, by virtue of being the capital city, it accommodates other Delta tribes living in it but they are able to speak their language in private when they want to.

Sinistami:


They are two Ijaw Clans that speak an Edoid language called Epie. it has its own several dialects but for now they haven't been studied and I think the way the language is dying it never would be studied.

To properly assess the language situation, on a scale of 100% what percentage of the the Epie-Atissa are fluent speakers?

Sinistami:



Sorry Pls Abeg my account was hacked....You know I'm the owner of this thread and this your comment has been like a week old if I wanted to say anything it would have been sooner not now Abeg....

So you didn't make the comment I quoted?

Sinistami:


They are two Ijaw Clans that speak an Edoid language called Epie. it has its own several dialects but for now they haven't been studied and I think the way the language is dying it never would be studied.

I here engenni is edoid too having supposedly surgeoned in isoko area briefly


Is it intelligible with epie

Sinistami:


How does igbo affect this Shaa. Pls I'm not Igbo I'm Ijaw and my account was hacked, sorry o Pele.

Sorry I wanted to quote that Francis guy

bigfrancis21:


To properly assess the language situation, on a scale of 100% what percentage of the the Epie-Atissa are fluent speakers?

Only a 30% I think are fluent in Epie, at the moment even if two adults like Elders are talking it would be 40%Pidgin 60%Epie. The lounger folks that have a little grasp on the language just try to add Epie words to anywhere they can in their pidgin. like Example: Omone(dis pikin for camaraderie just like Omo in normal pidgin) !! di Afina (Woman) don Sil'è(Run which cognate in normal pidgin would be Shele) meaning in Normal pidgin: Omo The woman don run.

darfay:




So you didn't make the comment I quoted?

Yea Some dumbas guy I think from where I worked must have commented . I work in Nairabet and I used their computer to log in and I forgot to log out.

darfay:



I here engenni is edoid too having supposedly surgeoned in isoko area briefly


Is it intelligible with epie

Engenne is edoid too their dialect is like a mix of Igbo, Ijaw and Edo. The Epie-Attisa is an offshoot of the Engenne from the north and other Ijaw clans to the South. And yea its pretty intelligible to an extent.

Sinistami:


Only a 30% I think are fluent in Epie, at the moment even if two adults like Elders are talking it would be 40%Pidgin 60%Epie. The lounger folks that have a little grasp on the language just try to add Epie words to anywhere they can in their pidgin. like Example: Omone(dis pikin for camaraderie just like Omo in normal pidgin) !! di Afina (Woman) don Sil'è(Run which cognate in normal pidgin would be Shele) meaning in Normal pidgin: Omo The woman don run.

30% is quite alarming and the percentage would keep reducing with each passing generation if certain actions aren't taken.

bigfrancis21:


30% is quite alarming and the percentage would keep reducing with each passing generation if certain actions aren't taken.

Yea that's how bad it is..In every passing Generation it reduces although the pidgin spoken is very influenced by Epie not much in accent though but in Vocabulary and structure that too is changing due to the large presence of other languages and the typical Nigerian Pidgin influencing it.

Is der particular tin unique to epie that can differentiate them from ijaw? food, tradition, anything?

magicjack:
Is der particular tin unique to epie that can differentiate them from ijaw? food, tradition, anything?

Well all Ijaw clans have their own unique traditions and food that makes them unique. And pls they is no language called Ijaw it's Izon , Ijaw is an English tongue corruption of the word Izon which itself is a corruption of the word Ijo or Ujo which is an Ancestral Name of one of their Ancestors that was said to be one of the Sons of Oduduwa that came to establish In the Niger Delta. The Ancestral name of the Ijaw people were Oru called Olu by the Igbos, but the White men used the name of their Ancestor Ujo to call the Oru people they first met on the Coast. Right now Ijaw is the name of a collection of people with shared history and culture irrespective of Language. So as you can see the Ijaw don't exactly have a Strict Homogeneous culture or language and the Epie who speak an Edoid language is even more Unique as an Ijaw Clan.

How can an ethnic group have entirely different unrelated languages?
That's fraudulent if you ask me.

Andoni speaks An Ibibiod language,, yet we are told they are now Ijaw, while their Eastern Obolo brothers in Akwa ibom remain Ibibio.

Epie,, Degema,, Engenni all speak Edoid languages, and we are still told they are Ijaw.

Now Ijaw people are telling us that Igbo speaking Ndoki are now Ijaws too.

Looks to me like Ijaw is more like a franchise than an ethnic group.

pazienza:
How can an ethnic group have entirely different unrelated languages?
That's fraudulent if you ask me.

Andoni speaks An Ibibiod language,, yet we are told they are now Ijaw, while their Eastern Obolo brothers in Akwa ibom remain Ibibio.

Epie,, Degema,, Engenni all speak Edoid languages, and we are still told they are Ijaw.

Now Ijaw people are telling us that Igbo speaking Ndoki are now Ijaws too.

Looks to me like Ijaw is more like a franchise than an ethnic group.

Word! Your comment deserves a thread

[quote author=CooperJay post=77693426]
Word! Your comment deserves a thread [/quote

Language isn't the only thing used to define an ethnic group. There isn't any language named Izon anyway the one people refer to is a language spoken by the Izon subgroup of the Ijaw called Izon. The Ijaw ethnic group is mostly based on blood, Historical, Cultural and territorial ties in the sense that all these tribes or clans in the Ijaw ethnic group have shared close blood lines, cultures and history that are interwoven with each other so that's it.

pazienza:
How can an ethnic group have entirely different unrelated languages?
That's fraudulent if you ask me.

Andoni speaks An Ibibiod language,, yet we are told they are now Ijaw, while their Eastern Obolo brothers in Akwa ibom remain Ibibio.

Epie,, Degema,, Engenni all speak Edoid languages, and we are still told they are Ijaw.

Now Ijaw people are telling us that Igbo speaking Ndoki are now Ijaws too.

Looks to me like Ijaw is more like a franchise than an ethnic group.

And Obolo are actually said to be Ijaw too.