Goel:

I'm a far more experienced defense enthusiast than yeah. And asking me to just judge you and believe you won't make you win arguments.

Pakistanis themselves are more intelligent than you. And that's why they are running from one platform to other for escaping.

andrewza:



As I said first hand experience. I know no navy has ever found one of our subs in war games. But just tge general feel I get about them has me think they would not find a Pa..... Submarine if one got to sea.

Unrelated, Pa..... subs where meant to be south african

nemesis8u:


Generally subs r very difficult to locate once they arrive at the high seas.

Best option is to trail them from their base , which again is tough ask.

Best option is employing multiple assets and hope for the best

Some info which I wrote long time back in response to a query regarding additional assets sensors in addition to surface / sub surface sonars or aerially deployed sonobouys which r needed for localisation of a hostile sub.

1.MAD magnetic anomaly detector it detects localized changes in earths magnetic field due to presence of submarines ferromagnetic materials and even non ferromagnetic materials. however MAD is used for target localization not target detection.

2.hydro carbon sensor to detect fuel vapors from diesel submarines. even some AIP systems in subs uses scrubbers to remove the fumes before release however depending on the sensitivity of the hydro carbon sensor the byproducts like co2 and other gases can be detected.

3.LIDAR light ranging and detection technology they r specially useful for detecting objects in shallow water but presently it is not capable of large volume searches. however research is going on. LIDAR is very successful in mine hunting systems though.

4.satellites in LEO orbits using SAR or EO payloads can detect the submarine surface wake , submerged submarine trail, underseas wave variations , localized temperature variations etc

5.SQUIDS superconducting quantum interference device that exploits the debye effect ie magnetic signature produced by a submarines wake. a debye detector can detect a submarine trail from a large distance and follow it to localize the sub.

6.underwater acoustic sensors or fiber optic acoustic sensors , these act as trip wires to passing submarines eg. SOSUS

7.airborne EO sensors can detect the submarine periscopes from a considerable distance.

8.airborne radar especially AESA based radars with SAR iSAR modes can detect submarine periscopes from a considerable distance.

Only the Americans have most of the above technologies deployed.

jakeporeshenko:
NAF mi35m landing in the field, sometimes I forget these things can carry extra passengers.

jakeporeshenko:
Ethiopian Air Force Su-27 flankers
Mi-17s
AN-12 and C-130 all featured in one video

ugo4u:

This kind of landing site,(dusty environment) is one of the scariest for a pilot after Loss of instruments/tail rotor. Just imagining what will be going through the minds of the guys behind the sticks during a hot evac.

ugo4u:

This kind of landing site,(dusty environment) is one of the scariest for a pilot after Loss of instruments/tail rotor. Just imagining what will be going through the minds of the guys behind the sticks during a hot evac.

SternProphet:

MI 35M not (P) and A109LUH are better able to handle these dirty operating environments. I am more concerned about the work the maintenance crew have to do than the crew and passengers

fabselad:


These guys are the best spec ops Naija has presently.Kudos to the COAS of the NAF.HE is does his job properly.Wish he could be head of the nigerian armed forces

jakeporeshenko:
Ethiopian airlines Defence, Pantsir S-1r that’s has to be a recent purchase.

SerikinGamo:


Experience? Andrewza is in the Navy

andrewza:



As I said first hand experience. I know no navy has ever found one of our subs in war games. But just tge general feel I get about them has me think they would not find a Pakistan Submarine if one got to sea.





Unrelated, Pakistan subs where meant to be south african

andrewza:



Submarines us south Africa's anserw to any threat by a non African country. Really a sub is big threat to deal with


There are two types of ships

Submarinens and targets

Goel:

Being in Navy doesn't impart the experience of one in military engineering services or a strategist. A reason why common soldiers aren't made defense ministers.

1. SA doesn't have so much naval engagements unlike great powers.
2. SAis irrelevant to our discussion. Submarines planned to be sold to SA being sold to Pakistan doesn't make anything stealth.

andrewza:



Defense ministers are political figures and know nothing of Planing or any thing about the Miltary. They rely on Miltary officials to advise them on these issues

nemesis8u:


Yes but it ain't that simple though, depends on the tactics.

Eg if I sanitize the airspace of hostile air assets off loading target data etc over my area of operations and also deny comms , then the submarine cannot use his stand off ASHMs against my ships, he will then be forced to seek my ships within range of his own onboard sensors and in return within the range of my ASW assets like SSK , ASW ships which will be part of my outer defence perimeter .

Then things will become more interesting.......

SamuelAnyawu:
The Chadian Soldiers are here in Monguno, i guess the Full Baga takeover loading soon

bidexiii:



God's speed. Are you in Monguno right now.

andrewza:
this was built around the idea of a attempted blockade of Meaning a edge to airforce in keeping the skies clear. With a sub threatening or luring the forces away.

This is not to say can't raid the coast like they have done in the past.

SamuelAnyawu:
The Chadian Soldiers are here in Monguno, i guess the Full Baga takeover loading soon

Geronimoe:


I saw the video, with even a Nigerian soldier waving and welcoming them. I'm seriously ashamed of our armed forces. Gone are the days of yore when they were once revered.Imagine Chad, that the current president when he was GOC fought and drove almost to N'Djamena. So much so for the "Giant of Africa". Una wey sabi compare if I hear kpim again ehn...

Lol I have some videos i did personally with Villagers praising them. I dont know how to post them here

Geronimoe:


I saw the video, with even a Nigerian soldier waving and welcoming them. I'm seriously ashamed of our armed forces. Gone are the days of yore when they were once revered.Imagine Chad, that the current president when he was GOC fought and drove almost to N'Djamena. So much so for the "Giant of Africa". Una wey sabi compare if I hear kpim again ehn...

jakeporeshenko:

Be ashamed of yourself bro, our soldiers are doing great with the training and equipment they get, Chadian Troops or not we’ve held on to our territory the last few years, what’s the point of a multinational join take force if we can’t conduct cross border operations ?

Cameroonian soldiers have been operating in Nigeria for months and vise versa but we don’t hear noise in the media but as soon as chad is involved we wont hear word, abeg allow us rest jor.

Nigerians soldiers are brave and capable, the problem is leadership.

By the way I don’t think I’ve seen anyone here compare chad to Nigeria, there’s no basis for that, lets not get things twisted.

SamuelAnyawu:


Lol I have some videos i did personally with Villagers praising them. I dont know how to post them here