ABCthings:
Back to my point

You can atleast highlight the main points to make it more comprehendable esp. for people skimming through.

See eh you may have a point.

But there are posts i have that are suitable for those who are skimming through.

But there are also those that are only meant for those who are willing to take time to digest such treasures for all its worth.

My priority is not to just make posts for making posts sake, but to impact lives as many have already done, as you should have already observed.

And something I also deliberately do is to also make my thread titles to carry a strong message on it own, so that once it's on focus at the religion section the message would already be getting across even without anyone opening the thread, as in this particular instance.

So that could cater for those who are skimming through as you say, if they find the post too long.

budaatum:

Funny! When last did you make a pot and have it complain? Is a pot the same as a human being?

People question God (they don't really, and just question, period) because they seek understanding. And God does answer those questions, at least going by the numerous times God was questioned in Scripture and answered. And the fact that even I can say, "what the fuq, God? and not get turned into stone is evidence one can. Besides, is it not by questioning God that one seeks God and gains understanding and all else that follows? I guess I'm not a lemming and want answers.

I do not think same moral constraints apply to a creator and the created.

And a creator have 100% right to do whatever it pleases with its creation.

That's common sense.

TVSA:
what of the context of God killing innocent babies in Egypt? or is that justified too? and also, are there wrong doings that are not against God?

God killing innocent babies or Pharoah?

ABCthings:
God killing innocent babies or Pharoah?

it sounds somehow right? check Exodus 12:29-30

jesusjnr2:
When God after He had put breath into all those pots, and afterwards, He regrets and it pains Him greatly that He had put breath into those pots, by the rebellious outcomes of those pots, and decides to destroy them in all of His perfection, it shows that those pots have been a waste of His breath.

God could not possibly have considered God's own creation a waste of space and then sent his only begotten son to die for those waste of spaces! "For God so loved the world" after all goes scripture, and not "because you are a waste of space"!

Besides, For the sake of ten, God will not destroy humans”, and even made a [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen+9%3A12-17&version=YLT]covenant[/url] not to destroy humans again. If God changes God's mind, it would be very appropriate to question God, why.

johnydon22:


I do not think same moral constraints apply to a creator and the created.

And a creator have 100% right to do whatever it pleases with its creation.

That's common sense.

How is it common sense for God to constrain me to love my neighbours then for that God not to show me how by leading by example? Would I not love my neighbours just as much as my God shows me to?

frank317:


So tell me, will ur foolish God put me in hell and put a pot in heaven?

Why blame God for the ignorance and stupidity of one individual? Did jnr claim God was saying what he wrote?

Please consider saying "will your understanding of God make God put you in hell and put a pot in heaven?" Or, ask God!

TVSA:
it sounds somehow right? check Exodus 12:29-30

Right, truly this is beyond me. we need someone with deeper level of apologetics while I ofcourse make research. [url=as a2u][/url]

TVSA:
it sounds somehow right? check Exodus 12:29-30

Right, truly this is beyond me. we need someone with deeper knowlegde [url=level.com][/url] of apologetics while I ofcourse make research. [url=as a2u][/url]

ABCthings:
Right, truly this is beyond me. we need someone with deeper level of apologetics while I ofcourse make research. [url=as a2u][/url]

It is plain and simple. There is nothing deep there to understand

TVSA:
It is plain and simple. There is nothing deep there to understand

Okay, I don't know whether it was really necessary but God is literally God so his action don't have to fit our own reasoning and God cannot be imperfect so He is right.

Op you are right. A creator can destroy his/her creation as he/ her so wishes. But fortunately we are not the creation of the dude you call god.

budaatum:

God could not possibly have considered God's own creation a waste of space and then sent his only begotten son to die for those waste of spaces! "For God so loved the world" after all goes scripture, and not "because you are a waste of space"!

Besides, For the sake of ten, God will not destroy humans”, and even made a [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen+9%3A12-17&version=YLT]covenant[/url] not to destroy humans again. If God changes God's mind, it would be very appropriate to question God, why.

That's why it is called grace for it has absolutely nothing to do with who man is even the mere pot and dust and ashes and a waste of God's breath, but what God makes of man because of who He is.

And you can see what the waste of God's breath are doing and keep doing to His sacrificial efforts for the useless wastes of His breath, for they have also proven themselves to also be a waste of His sacrifice.

Of course thank God that not all have been so wasteful of His breath, grace and sacrifice, even those few who have made God's efforts to be worthwhile.

As for those the instance of Sodom, the waste of God's breath would have been spared if there were ten who were not wastes of God's breath.

Because of the value God places on those who are not a waste of His breath, but there were no such one there and hence God destroyed all the waste of God's breath in the land, and yet He remained the perfect God that He is!

And any mere human pot that thinks otherwise, is wasting God's breath to that extent, hence should desist from such rebellious tendencies, before they completely turn to a full blown case of a waste of God's breath.

ABCthings:
Okay, I don't know whether it was really necessary but God is literally God so his action don't have to fit our own reasoning and God cannot be imperfect so He is right.

Yeah right, he is God, he can kill innocent babies in their sleep and he is still perfect and right. Beside God, Hitler was a learner.

johnydon22:


I do not think same moral constraints apply to a creator and the created.

And a creator have 100% right to do whatever it pleases with its creation.

That's common sense.

My guy you are too much oh!

I don't know how much else we would agree on, but you have just nailed it right there.

Well done!

ifenes:
Op you are right. A creator can destroy his/her creation as he/ her so wishes. But fortunately we are not the creation of the dude you call god.

Simply put!

You are both right and wrong!

jesusjnr2:
That's why it is called grace for it has absolutely nothing to do with who man is even the mere pot and dust and ashes and a waste of God's breath, but what God makes of man because of who He is.

And you can see what the waste of God's breath are doing and keep doing to His sacrificial efforts for the useless wastes of His breath, for they have also proven themselves to also be a waste of His sacrifice.

Of course thank God that not all have been so wasteful of His breath, grace and sacrifice, even those few who have made God's efforts to be worthwhile.

As for those the instance of Sodom, the waste of God's breath would have been spared if there were ten who were not wastes of God's breath.

Because of the value God places on those who are not a waste of His breath, but there were no such one there and hence God destroyed all the waste of God's breath in the land, and yet He remained the perfect God that He is!

And any mere human pot that thinks otherwise, is wasting God's breath to that extent, hence should desist from such rebellious tendencies, before they completely turn to a full blown case of a waste of God's breath.

"Nothing to do with who man is", yet for the sake of a mere ten, God will not destroy Sodom? Sounds to me that God places way more value on God's creations than you think God does.

For me, my neighbours, whom I am supposed to love, cannot be waste of spaces. If I thought they were, I'd become like you, calling the creations of God, "waste of spaces" and justifying myself for so doing just because they believe in or worship other gods or no gods at all. I'm sure if Jesus meant "love only those who believe in God", he would have said precisely that. He himself loved lots of non-god believers and was specifically sent on behalf of those unbelievers and not the 'believers'.

ABCthings:
Right, truly this is beyond me. we need someone with deeper knowlegde [url=level.com][/url] of apologetics while I ofcourse make research. [url=as a2u][/url]

ABCthings I don't think you're going to be able to handle these things oh, so just do not be in a hurry to respond unless you feel you have the capacity to.

ifenes:
Op you are right. A creator can destroy his/her creation as he/ her so wishes. But fortunately we are not the creation of the dude you call god.

At least not of his understanding of God, I'd say.

budaatum:

"Nothing to do with who man is", yet for the sake of a mere ten, God will not destroy Sodom? Sounds to me that God places way more value on God's creations than you think God does.

For me, my neighbours, whom I am supposed to love, cannot be waste of spaces. If I thought they were, I'd become like you, calling the creations of God, "waste of spaces" and justifying myself for so doing just because they believe in or worship other gods or no gods at all. I'm sure if Jesus meant "love only those who believe in God", he would have said precisely that. He himself loved lots of non-god believers and was specifically sent on behalf of those unbelievers and not the 'believers'.

You have been saying God, God and yet God again, and yet when the same God decides to destroy His own creation because they have proven themselves a waste of His breath, you would forget that He's God and that He has every right to do whatsoever He decide to do, and would yet remain perfect as He is.

Man is the pot, and God is the potter, so the potter has every right to destroy the pot whenever He chooses and however He chooses and He would yet remain perfect as He is.

What a permanently perfect God I serve!

jesusjnr2:
You have been saying God, God and yet God again, and yet when the same God decides to destroy His own creation because they have proven themselves a waste of His breath, you would forget that He's God and that He has every right to do whatsoever He decide to do, and would yet remain perfect as He is.

Man is the pot, and God is the potter, so the potter has every right to destroy the pot whenever He chooses and however He chooses and He would yet remain perfect as He is.

What a permanently perfect God I serve!

It's not about whether God has rights, but about whether God will destroy God's own creations which when God created them were seen as perfectly created and good even with the freewill to disobey and question! Besides, as I already stated, God said God ain't destroying anymore!

If God goes against God's own perfect word that God will just stop being perfect God, and we human beings who God created with freewill will be taking that God to the bottom of the river and bashing its head against a rock as we rightly should since it can't even stick to its own perfect word!

Thankfully, God ain't nothing like you seem to be describing since God did the opposite of destroy by instead sending his only begotten son to die for us so we would live, thank God.

TVSA:
what of the context of God killing innocent babies in Egypt? or is that justified too? and also, are there wrong doings that are not against God?

If God kills all the innocent babies in the whole world that He made in the first place, and not just those in Egypt, God is still perfect and would remain the perfect God that He is.

For God the giver of life can decide to take the life that He gave anytime, any day, any where, any how and that would not take anything away from Him and make Him any less than the perfect God that He is.

budaatum:

It's not about whether God has rights, but about whether God will destroy God's own creations which when God created them were seen as perfectly created and good even with the freewill to disobey and question! Besides, as I already stated, God said God ain't destroying anymore!

If God goes against God's own perfect word that God will just stop being perfect God, and we human beings who God created with freewill will be taking that God to the bottom of the river and bashing its head against a rock as we rightly should since it can't even stick to its own perfect word!

Thankfully, God ain't nothing like you seem to be describing since God did the opposite of destroy by instead sending his only begotten son to die for us so we would live, thank God.

The God that did sent His only Begotten Son, is still the perfect God that destroyed all of mankind with the flood, and still rained down the fire and sulphur from heaven to destroy all those in Sodom and Gomorrah and turned them to salt, remember lot's wife.

Thank God that God never changes for He remains the same perfect God that He had always been and would also be even till eternity.

jesusjnr:
If God kills all the innocent babies in the whole world that He made in the first place, and not just those in Egypt, God is still perfect and would remain the perfect God that He is.

For God the giver of life can decide to take the life that He gave anytime, any day, any where, any how and that would not take anything away from Him and make Him any less than the perfect God that He is.

You just described a criminally insane person that should be detained in a mental asylum. You justified your God behaving like Hannibal.

TVSA:
You just described a criminally insane person that should be detained in a mental asylum. You justified your God behaving like Hannibal.

May I ask you a simple question?

How many insane persons that should be detained in the asylum have created a human being before?

jesusjnr:
The God that did sent His only Begotten Son, is still the perfect God that destroyed all of mankind with the flood, and still rained down the fire and sulphur from heaven to destroy all those in Sodom and Gomorrah and turned them to salt, remember lot's wife.

Thank God that God never changes for He remains the same perfect God that He had always been and would also be even till eternity.

Except that perfect God then decided not to destroy earth anymore and made a covenant to that effect.

To be honest, if you really did think God was the tyrant you describe God as, you would not be so bitter at the unbelievers and atheists as shown by the numerous threads you've opened to express that bitterness. You be rejoicing that their days were numbered instead. But you know the perfect God is longsuffering, hence your impatience like the prophet who asked God to come and destroy everyone but God never listened to.

Thankfully, we just need tell God to "Turn from Your burning anger and change Your mind about doing harm to Your [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+32%3A12-14&version=NASB]people[/url]" and the Lord will "change His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people". Except, God even promised to do no harm to his people anymore, changing from a wrathful quick to anger God to a God so loved the world God who is worthy of being worshipped, thank God.

TVSA:
You just described a criminally insane person that should be detained in a mental asylum. You justified your God behaving like Hannibal.

I assure you, most of us would want nothing to do with such a God unless we want to justify our own hannibalistic behaviour!

jesusjnr2:
Ok i'm speaking with a waste of God's breath, so I shouldn't expect him to able to comprehend any further than his ignorance and foolishness.

Because your waste of God's breath does not let you know that, a pot that is giving the same breath that you have wouldn't be any different from you.

Or do you want the Creator whose breath you're wasting, to take away His breath from you with which you're using to rebel against him, so that you see how different you are from the pot?

Such a waste of God's breath up till now, maybe will be a waste of God's breath till the God's breath gets taken away from him.

U just sound as foolish as ur God sha. Making no sense at all.
So since he went into hiding and left u to make things up about him, what have u gained. Why waste ur time on a non existent entity.
Ur God has not strength to take my breath away, he cannot even try it, hin no de fear? I think ur God is a pot.

budaatum:

Except that perfect God then decided not to destroy earth anymore and made a covenant to that effect.

To be honest, if you really did think God was the tyrant you describe God as, you would not be so bitter at the unbelievers and atheists as shown by the numerous threads you've opened to express that bitterness. You be rejoicing that their days were numbered instead. But you know the perfect God is longsuffering, hence your impatience like the prophet who asked God to come and destroy everyone but God never listened to.

Thankfully, we just need tell God to "Turn from Your burning anger and change Your mind about doing harm to Your [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+32%3A12-14&version=NASB]people[/url]" and the Lord will "change His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people". Except, God even promised to do no harm to his people anymore, changing from a wrathful quick to anger God to a God so loved the world God who is worthy of being worshipped, thank God.

Just that bolded distinguishes us, because my God can never be a tyrant regardless of what He does, but would always be perfect.

And if you ask me, for a mere pot to call God his Creator a tyrant because of what He does, is only possible when that mere pot views himself to be more than just the dust and ashes that he really is without the breath of Creator, and is to that extent a waste of the God's breath.

I think you can learn a think or two how to be less of a waste of God's breath, from johnydon22 perfect summation of the truth.

For the Creator has every right to create and to destroy that which He creates at any point in time, and He'd yet be perfect and never a tyrant.

But obviously you a mere pot that has never created anything think you have any right to call your Creator a tyrant when He chooses to destroy His own Creation, because of the breath that He gave to you, makes me think of a very proud pot, and pot's pride goes before pot's destruction.

frank317:


U just sound as foolish as ur God sha. Making no sense at all.
So since he went into hiding and left u to make things up about him, what have u gained. Why waste ur time on a non existent entity.
Ur God has not strength to take my breath away, he cannot even try it, hin no de fear? I think ur God is a pot.

Whatever it is, it's better than being a waste of His breath!

budaatum:

I assure you, most of us would want nothing to do with such a God unless we want to justify our own hannibalistic behaviour!

Yeah good!

Let the truth all come out!

Instead of thinking that someone now believes in God, but the God they truly believe in, is the one that is within their control.

jesusjnr:
Just that bolded distinguishes us, because my God can never be a tyrant regardless of what He does, but would always be perfect.

And if you ask me, for a mere pot to call God his Creator a tyrant because of what He does, is only possible when that mere pot views himself to be more than just the dust and ashes that he really is without the breath of Creator, and is to that extent a waste of the God's breath.

I think you can learn a think or two how to be less of a waste of God's breath, from johnydon22 perfect summation of the truth.

For the Creator has every right to create and to destroy that which He creates at any point in time, and He'd yet be perfect and never a tyrant.

But obviously you a mere pot that has never created anything think you have any right to call your Creator a tyrant when He chooses to destroy His own Creation, because of the breath that He gave to you, makes me think of a very proud pot, and pot's pride goes before pot's destruction.

It is your destroying God that I call tyrannical, jnr, and not the perfect, merciful, loving, stick to his word and not just create unquestioning pots Almighty God.

Please do not mistake the one for the other.