VonScott:


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Listen, read and be enlightened. There's so much information now it's costly to remain ignorant.

muhammad instituted racism or slavery against blacks in words and deeds. I mean he wrote the very manual for the evil treatment of black people himself. The early europeans i.e. greeks, romans etc. who were slavers themselves even admit slavery based on colour never existed before that guy.

This has gone on for tooo long, but you can save your generations from enslavement.

AFRICA will be great again.

Nonsense to malign Islam as Usual.

I'm back after a long ban and break from Nairaland, you thought this post was going to slide? Naaaa!!!

true2god:
I never evangelized 'Tintinz'; he opened his mind to rational argument and left Islam. It's a fact that I have debated him many times; check my old posts.

Clap for yourself, you're making Christ proud by making someone not to believe in God anymore.

I never counted the number of slaves owned by Mohammed and his sahabas; I only told you that over 99% of blacks that came in contact with mohammed were his slaves.

If you never counted, how did you came about this conclusion? Show me please with evidence, I'm curious!

If you have a fair knowledge of Statistics, you will understand better when someone makes a rough estimate using a hypothetical population.

You can't make a statistical projection of an area 1400 years ago where you have no real data of. You don't know about the place, it's people and their population. So Mr. Statistian, How did you come about it?

Can you mention a single black man/woman who was not Mohammed's or his companions' slave? As a said earlier, and will happily repeat it, your prophet did a trade by batter slavery by exchanging 2 black slaves for a white (Arab slave)

Was Bilal a slave to any Prophet Muhammad or his companions? I challenge you to show me he was a slave to either Prophet Muhammad or his companions.

Stop lying and providing a 'taqiyya' link for me to adopt; Bilal never had a white (Arab) father. Your attempt at revising your own shameful history CANNOT erase the fact that your prophet started the business of enslaving black people long before the white missionaries set their foot on African soil. It is in your Islamic source documents and the Arabs are happy about it. Please put off that shameless BILAL tag your Arab master have place on you; it is shameful and a reminder of the Arab's imperial past and present.

Shut up your mouth efulefu. The Abyssinians were people known to have had contact with Arabs long before Islam, there were cases they enslaved Arabs and there were cases they were enslaved by Arabs. Bilal himself is an Afro-Arab, his father was an Arab Slave while his mother was an Abyssinian slave. Usamah Ibn Zayd who was like a grandson to the Prophet had similar dark complexion like Bilal because his own father, also a former Arab slave married a former Abyssinian mother.

Many early Muslims had Abyssinian grandparents, even Umar Ibn Al Khatabb has a grandmother who's a black African. Many grandchildren of Prophet Muhammad married Abyssinians, but a flatheead Jew like you who reads rubbish online come here to blab about Islamic history, whereas you're as empty as barrel.

I don't have much to say again about the Sudan. Your ignorance of black history, and the role of Arabs in Africa, is legendary.

Just admit your failure mehn, in case you want to carry on with the discussion. Please show us the Arab armies that invaded Sudan and colonised them?

The Byzantines were at war with the Muslims because Mohammed literarily declared war on all non-Muslims in his quest to bring them to the fold of the ummah (Quran 9:28-30, hadith 4:52;196 and sahih Muslim hadith 33). Omar ibn kathab took the battle to the non-Muslims in the Arabia and north Africa and conquered many land.

Again you've showed your failure, the verse was revealed for the Battle of Tabuk, Muslims had already bought the Byzantines in the Battle of Mutah. They started it when their Ghassanid allies killed the Messengers the Prophet sent, that was the start of the war. By then this verse wasn't revealed, but what can I say? A dumb olori pelebe

Using the Latinos to make a comparison with Arab is both ignorant and disingenuous on your part. The Latinos are found in both central and south America, most of whom are called the 'red Indians’ or 'native Americans'.

Latino refers to Latin America and everything related to it. Latino refers to mixture of blacks (taken from West Africa to Brazil and other countries as slaves), whites (mostly the colonialists) and native people. In case you don't know, when slaves were brought into Brazil, after some years, the colonialists concluded that the population was too dark so they brought in Portuguese white women to procreate with blacks. This was what brought out "Mullatos".

Under racial classification, not a single Latino is identified as a negorid but whites.

Are you dumb? So you're telling me Dark-skinned Brazilians who are Latinos are white according to your "ipob racial classification"? Now go through this Wikipedia page of Afro-Latinos and see if they're black or white https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Afro-Latinos

You're confusing Latino with Hispanics, they're different tho they speak Portuguese and Spanish, Hispanics are white and are classified Caucasians. Your problem is you don't know, instead if seeking clarifications, you make mouth as if they're facts. If an ignorant person sees your posts they'll think you're intelligent not knowing, you're a big olodo

On the other hand, if a black-sudanese, a black-somali or a black-omani, obtain a US citizenship, no sane person will classify them as Arab-americans but black (or African) Americans. This is because they are not genetically or racially Arabs but chose to identify more with the Arabs as a result of over 1000 years of non-symbiotic social interaction which made them subservient to the Arabs and of a lower social status than the Arabs. I can choose to identify with group that I have both cultural and linguistic affinity with but that does not mean that I have to remove my genetic make-up and make a solid claim to a race I never belonged to. This is a classic example of the state the Sudanese and the somalians find themselves in.

Is it that you don't listen or what? I'm telling you that being an Arab is more of a cultural thing, we have Arabs of different types. This is a definition I've been giving you since is what Arabs themselves define, read here Answer to Where are all the descendants of the Muslim-African slave trade in the Middle East? by Ahmed Abdelhaq Zaydan https://www.quora.com/Where-are-all-the-descendants-of-the-Muslim-African-slave-trade-in-the-Middle-East/answer/Ahmed-Abdelhaq-Zaydan?ch=99&share=5522182b&srid=hC2AR

You can classify them as anything, I don't care but they're Arabs. Gosh, why are you stubborn like this?

Yes, the Igbos (like many black African nations) were primitive before the colonial era. The question is their current social and educational status and not their past. As at today, the Igbos has the highest female literacy rate in Africa and the middle east and are generally regarded as one of the most educated black ethnic group in the world. The medieval Mongols were more developed than the Japanese but today the Japanese are far more technologically and educationally advanced. The Igbos, as at today, are required on the average, to score above 65% to gain admission into any unity school in Nigeria while the Hausa-Fulanis on the average are expected to score 10% in order to secure admission. And as at today, Igbo kids are expected to score the highest to gain admission into any unity school in Nigeria compared to other tribes and ethnic groups in Nigeria. The bar has been set so high, academically, for Igbos and their kids.
What does this statistics tell you?

Firstly, I have nothing against igbos but I hate hypocrites. You abuse Yoruba Muslims especially, you hate Muslims because of conquest when even Christians participated also in conquests in fact in a cruel and worse manner than Muslims.

Secondly, as for your stats, that's a debate for another time. Waec has denied some of those stats, so hold on.

Islam steals too much time and mental ability from its adherents to be competitive in the intellectual arena. You cannot spend your youthful age and time memorizing the Qur'an and the hadith and expect to compete with Igbos who don't. That's simple logic and commonsense.

But a religion that claims there are 3 gods, but all are the same yet different. Includes the father, son and one that functions as a breeze. Humans sins, one of the gods goes down to die for them, he's flogged by his creatures and then faints before being hung on the cross like a cursed criminal for him to forgive us is what is sensible to you igbos? Chai, I don die

The 'commonwealth of nations' were former British colonies just as the Arab league is the union of nations formerly and/or currently under Arab dominion and control, especially after the Islamic conquest.

If that's the case, can you tell us the name leader of the Arab Islamic conqueror of Sudan who established his Dominion over the land of Sudan and its environs?

[s]The modern 'Arab League' countries is made people who were aboriginal Arabs from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, etc and their conquered territories such as Sudan, Somalia and Mauritania. It is only an ignorant people that will call these people native Arabs. Their membership of the Arab League does not make them ethnic or genetic Arabs. They are still genetically and biologically of black decent whose culture have been eroded by over 1000 years of unequal social relationship with their Arab masters. [/s]

Believe me, this is now nauseating. I'm not talking about genetic or ethnic, I'm talking about linguistically. This is modern term for an Arab, this is why white Pheonicans in Syria, Lebanon who are related to Greeks are Arabs because they adopted the culture and speak the language. Same as Sudan, most of the people there are Arabs linguistically and culturally. Why can this sink into your coconut head ehn?

Demmzy15:
I'm back after a long ban and break from Nairaland, you thought this post was going to slide? Naaaa!!!

This is none of my business; you are not paid to respond.

Demmzy15:
Clap for yourself, you're making Christ proud by making someone not to believe in God anymore.

We are not in saudi arabia where people are killed for leaving Islam. It is the fundamental human right of every man or woman to chose what to believe. I know you are not happy 'Tintinz' left Islam; deal with the pain bro!

Demmzy15:
If you never counted, how did you came about this conclusion? Show me please with evidence, I'm curious!

You are free to tell me any black who was in contact with Mohammed and not his slave. Mohammed bought and sold black slaves long before the Christian Europeans stepped their foot on African soil. These are in your seerah and hadith; I didn't author your hadith and seerah. As a matter of fact, your Arab slave masters still call you 'Abd'. Check the meaning.

Demmzy15:
You can't make a statistical projection of an area 1400 years ago where you have no real data of. You don't know about the place, it's people and their population. So Mr. Statistian, How did you come about it?

You need to go back to school (or go to school) and learn backward trend analysis using Time Series Analysis.
. Scientist can use the data available for 100 years to do a backward projection of events. You can as well give me a single example of any black in Arabia, during the time of Mohammed, who was not a slave.

Demmzy15:
Was Bilal a slave to any Prophet Muhammad or his companions? I challenge you to show me he was a slave to either Prophet Muhammad or his companions.

Bilal was a slave to Abu Bakr As Sodiq, the 1st rightly guided khalifa. In one of the hadith narrations, he complained to your slave master prophet concerning his slave status and he begged for his freedom. Dont be too lazy to know more about your religion.

Demmzy15:
Shut up your mouth efulefu.

Spoilt kid.

Demmzy15:
The Abyssinians were people known to have had contact with Arabs long before Islam, there were cases they enslaved Arabs and there were cases they were enslaved by Arabs. Bilal himself is an Afro-Arab, his father was an Arab Slave while his mother was an Abyssinian slave. Usamah Ibn Zayd who was like a grandson to the Prophet had similar dark complexion like Bilal because his own father, also a former Arab slave married a former Abyssinian mother.

The Ethiopians never enslaved the Arabs. Dont involve the black people in your prophet's evil activities. The black people are more honorable than your prophet. If you like call all the sahabas black people in order to get the sympathy of the gullible black Muslims. The truth can never be erased; you hadith and seerah already informed us about the evil of Islam.

Demmzy15:
Many early Muslims had Abyssinian grandparents, even Umar Ibn Al Khatabb has a grandmother who's a black African. Many grandchildren of Prophet Muhammad married Abyssinians, but a flatheead Jew like you who reads rubbish online come here to blab about Islamic history, whereas you're as empty as barrel.

If you like call all the sahabas black people in order to get the sympathy of the gullible black Muslims. The truth can never be erased; you hadith and seerah already informed us about the evil of Islam.

Demmzy15:
Just admit your failure mehn, in case you want to carry on with the discussion. Please show us the Arab armies that invaded Sudan and colonised them?

Check my old post on this; you can't drag me into another mud along with you. I am too clean for that.

Demmzy15:
Again you've showed your failure, the verse was revealed for the Battle of Tabuk, Muslims had already bought the Byzantines in the Battle of Mutah. They started it when their Ghassanid allies killed the Messengers the Prophet sent, that was the start of the war. By then this verse wasn't revealed, but what can I say?

Surah 9 is the last surah in the quran; the 'revelation' which abrogated the earlier 'revelations'. Quran 9:28-30, hadith 4:52;196 and sahih Muslim hadith 33 are the final machine order for the islamic conquest of the non-muslim world. Read the tafsir of Ibn kathir on this ayah.

Demmzy15:
A dumb olori pelebe

Your prophet really taught you well; he also called the Jews monkey. You are learning very fast from your abusive prophet.

Demmzy15:
Latino refers to Latin America and everything related to it. Latino refers to mixture of blacks (taken from West Africa to Brazil and other countries as slaves), whites (mostly the colonialists) and native people. In case you don't know, when slaves were brought into Brazil, after some years, the colonialists concluded that the population was too dark so they brought in Portuguese white women to procreate with blacks. This was what brought out "Mullatos".

Thanks for the info on 'Mullatos'. Your brain function well here.

Demmzy15:
Are you dumb?

Your prophet must be proud of your moral depravity. Oh I have forgotten, he even slept with a 9 yr old Aisha when he was a 54 year old man.

Demmzy15:
So you're telling me Dark-skinned Brazilians who are Latinos are white according to your "ipob racial classification"? Now go through this Wikipedia page of Afro-Latinos and see if they're black or white https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Afro-Latinos

OK.

Demmzy15:
You're confusing Latino with Hispanics, they're different tho they speak Portuguese and Spanish, Hispanics are white and are classified Caucasians. Your problem is you don't know, instead if seeking clarifications, you make mouth as if they're facts. If an ignorant person sees your posts they'll think you're intelligent not knowing,

We are still discussing 'Islam and racism' bro. We are talking about the evil of your prophet, and the Arabs, against the black people.

Demmzy15:
you're a big olodo

Your parents are not foolls; I believe your parents are not, though I am still skeptical.

Demmzy15:
Is it that you don't listen or what? I'm telling you that being an Arab is more of a cultural thing, we have Arabs of different types. This is a definition I've been giving you since is what Arabs themselves define, read here Answer to Where are all the descendants of the Muslim-African slave trade in the Middle East? by Ahmed Abdelhaq Zaydan https://www.quora.com/Where-are-all-the-descendants-of-the-Muslim-African-slave-trade-in-the-Middle-East/answer/Ahmed-Abdelhaq-Zaydan?ch=99&share=5522182b&srid=hC2AR

So the Yorubas in Ilorin, kwara state Nigeria, are now Arabs (since they have subtituted their local culture with that of the arabs)? I see your intellectual depravity.

Demmzy15:
You can classify them as anything, I don't care but they're Arabs. Gosh, why are you stubborn like this?

A pig cannot call herself a beauty queen just for putting on a lipstick. I hope you get the vibe.

Demmzy15:
Firstly, I have nothing against igbos but I hate hypocrites. You abuse Yoruba Muslims especially, you hate Muslims because of conquest when even Christians participated also in conquests in fact in a cruel and worse manner than Muslims.

Secondly, as for your stats, that's a debate for another time. Waec has denied some of those stats, so hold on.

Mention where I abuse Yoruba Muslims. You call the Igbos backward and barbarians but I tell you that they have the highest female literacy in Africa and the middle east and Igbos are expected to score the highest to gain admission into any University in Nigeria (outside Igboland) and their pupils are expected to score the highest to gain admission into any 'unity' school (federal govt colleges) in Nigeria. A simple 'google search' will inform you; dont be lazy.

Demmzy15:
But a religion that claims there are 3 gods, but all are the same yet different. Includes the father, son and one that functions as a breeze. Humans sins, one of the gods goes down to die for them, he's flogged by his creatures and then faints before being hung on the cross like a cursed criminal for him to forgive us is what is sensible to you igbos? Chai, I don die

We are not talking 'Trinity' but 'Islam and racism'. Do not change the topic.

Demmzy15:
If that's the case, can you tell us the name leader of the Arab Islamic conqueror of Sudan who established his Dominion over the land of Sudan and its environs?

I have go back on this issue.

Demmzy15:
Believe me, this is now nauseating. I'm not talking about genetic or ethnic, I'm talking about linguistically. This is modern term for an Arab, this is why white Pheonicans in Syria, Lebanon who are related to Greeks are Arabs because they adopted the culture and speak the language. Same as Sudan, most of the people there are Arabs linguistically and culturally.

OK. Hope you are satisfied with yourself.

Demmzy15:
Why can this sink into your coconut head ehn?

Can't sink into your small and childish level.

true2god:
This is none of my business; you are not paid to respond.

I'm just telling you so that you won't run your mouth as usual

We are not in saudi arabia where people are killed for leaving Islam. It is the fundamental human right of every man or woman to chose what to believe. I know you are not happy 'Tintinz' left Islam; deal with the pain bro!

Believe me, I'm sad and in serious pains. He's confused, he still has soft spot on Islam, this is why he created threads everyday and talk about Islam even after claiming to leave it. He won't deny it, people like him like other atheists are scared but try to consolidate themselves by attacking where they came from either Islam or Christianity.

You are free to tell me any black who was in contact with Mohammed and not his slave. Mohammed bought and sold black slaves long before the Christian Europeans stepped their foot on African soil. These are in your seerah and hadith; I didn't author your hadith and seerah. As a matter of fact, your Arab slave masters still call you 'Abd'. Check the meaning.

Bilal was a black and not a slave of Prophet Muhammad or his companions, Usamah Ibn Zayd was black and not a slave of Prophet Muhammad, Umm Ayman Barakat was like a mother to Prophet Muhammad because she took care of him from his birth till he died was neither his slave not that of his companions. Wahshi Ibn Harb a black man who killed Prophet Muhammad's uncle was forgiven. Ammar Ibn Yassir was black, he wasn't a slave of Prophet Muhammad or his companions. Ayman was a black and wasn't a slave of Prophet Muhammad or his companions. Summayyah a black wasn't a slave of Prophet Muhammad or his companions.

And to cap it, Prophet Muhammad dealt in slavery and this includes Arab and non-Arabs (including blacks), so I'm not ashamed or hiding any facts about that. I've explained to your yam head how blacks existed in the Arabian peninsula. Slavery was part of the Arab culture, they enslaved everyone including fellow Arabs from other tribes after wars, why should blacks being enslaved be an issue to you when they enslave their own people?

And for those that call blacks "abd", they're mostly Lebanese anr some Egyptian Arabs. They're racists, most of them are Arab nationalists and this kind of people exist everywhere, so you shouldn't expect they don't exist amongst Arabs.

You need to go back to school (or go to school) and learn backward trend analysis using Time Series Analysis.
. Scientist can use the data available for 100 years to do a backward projection of events. You can as well give me a single example of any black in Arabia, during the time of Mohammed, who was not a slave.

Yen yen yen!!!! Are you a scientist? How did you conduct this projection? Show us, if you can't please show us a credible scientist that conducted such projections. Arabs enslaved Abyssinian blacks and Abyssinian blacks also enslaved blacks. The blacks enslaved Arabs in Yemen after defeating the Jewish rulers, this is history. When they were defeated, they themselves were taken as slaves. Why is it hard for you to understand this?

Bilal was a slave to Abu Bakr As Sodiq, the 1st rightly guided khalifa. In one of the hadith narrations, he complained to your slave master prophet concerning his slave status and he begged for his freedom. Dont be too lazy to know more about your religion.

Mumu Bilal was a slave of Ummayah Ibn Khallaf, he was freed by Abu Bakr As Sadeeq. Bilal himself killed his former slave master during the Battle of badr. And as for the narration you're talking about, please give us the reference. I'm sure you'll be humiliated once again See how he's beating his hairy chest as if he's intelligent LMAO

Spoilt kid.

Aren't you an efulefu?

The Ethiopians never enslaved the Arabs. Dont involve the black people in your prophet's evil activities. The black people are more honorable than your prophet. If you like call all the sahabas black people in order to get the sympathy of the gullible black Muslims. The truth can never be erased; you hadith and seerah already informed us about the evil of Islam.

Is it that you are dumb? Slavery was one of the things that drove the economy of the Old Axum Empire. They ruled over Arabs, at the height of their power they controlled up to Southern Saudi Arabia. They acquired slaves from different parts of their Empire, slaves passed through their land.

If you like call all the sahabas black people in order to get the sympathy of the gullible black Muslims. The truth can never be erased; you hadith and seerah already informed us about the evil of Islam.

LMAO Many Sahabas and those after them were blacks. They we're respected and even attained high respect amongst the Muslim community, many Afro-Arabs became descendants of Prophet Muhammad. The first man to call Prayer was a black man, the first Imam of Mecca was a black, the youngest Muslim general that led an army was a black, the woman that nursed prophet Muhammad from birth till he died in which he considered and call "mother" was a black. What exactly do you want this man?

Check my old post on this; you can't drag me into another mud along with you. I am too clean for that.

What exactly did you present in your old posts? Please show us

Surah 9 is the last surah in the quran; the 'revelation' which abrogated the earlier 'revelations'. Quran 9:28-30, hadith 4:52;196 and sahih Muslim hadith 33 are the final machine order for the islamic conquest of the non-muslim world. Read the tafsir of Ibn kathir on this ayah.

Can you show us from the Tafsir, give us reference. I don't deal with nonsensical talks, if you have evidence that the verse was revealed before the Battle of Mutah, then give us clear explicit evidence

Your prophet really taught you well; he also called the Jews monkey. You are learning very fast from your abusive prophet.

Aren't you a dumb flatheead?

Thanks for the info on 'Mullatos'. Your brain function well here.

Next time you ask and don't jump into conclusions, now use what I taught you and apply it to Afro-Arabs who are very similar to Afro-Latinos.

Your prophet must be proud of your moral depravity. Oh I have forgotten, he even slept with a 9 yr old Aisha when he was a 54 year old man.

Just as how your God allowed 90 year old Joseph to marry 12 year old Mary and even went as far having sex with her to give birth to other children

Ok

At least we're getting someone now, you're admitting more failures. That's a progress.

We are still discussing 'Islam and racism' bro. We are talking about the evil of your prophet, and the Arabs, against the black people.

I was replying your dumb post of calling Latinos Caucasians when they're not. Hispanics are Caucasians, you need to know the differences.

So the Yorubas in Ilorin, kwara state Nigeria, are now Arabs (since they have subtituted their local culture with that of the arabs)? I see your intellectual depravity.

How on Earth did Ilorin people substitute their culture with Arabs? Most Ilorin don't even understand Arabic, their dressings is similar to Northerners not Arabs. This guy's slow mehn, if a Yoruba decides today that he wants to be speaking Arabic alone, abandoning Yoruba language and culture and asks people to term him an Arab, then he is. No Ilorin does this, they still speak Yoruba, they dress like Yoruba and they're Yorubas. Even non-Yorubas like Nupes, Fulani and Hausa are now like Yorubas.

A pig cannot call herself a beauty queen just for putting on a lipstick. I hope you get the vibe.

Isn't that a quote from your Lord and savior of pigs, Nnamdi Cownu?

Mention where I abuse Yoruba Muslims. You call the Igbos backward and barbarians but I tell you that they have the highest female literacy in Africa and the middle east and Igbos are expected to score the highest to gain admission into any University in Nigeria (outside Igboland) and their pupils are expected to score the highest to gain admission into any 'unity' school (federal govt colleges) in Nigeria. A simple 'google search' will inform you; dont be lazy.

I don't disrespect igbos, I only hate bigots and Islamophobes like you. So don't play any cheap emotional hullabaloo with me here. And like I said, your stats is for another time. You know me, whenever I'm ready for you, I won't relent until you've been exposed.

We are not talking 'Trinity' but 'Islam and racism'. Do not change the topic.

Oops, you've discovered how stupid Trinity is Right? Or should we also visit verses of slavery in the Bible? I posted some and you're yet to respond, what happened exactly?

I have go back on this issue.

OK. Hope you are satisfied with yourself.

Sour loser, you've been exposed to be an unrepentant liar. I'm sure, you must have googled your life to find the armies which islamized Sudan but you couldn't see hence admitting your failure.

Demmzy15:
I'm just telling you so that you won't run your mouth as usual

You are not obliged report to me how you use your spare time. Why all the sermon?

Demmzy15:
Believe me, I'm sad and in serious pains. He's confused, he still has soft spot on Islam, this is why he created threads everyday and talk about Islam even after claiming to leave it. He won't deny it, people like him like other atheists are scared but try to consolidate themselves by attacking where they came from either Islam or Christianity.

You are the one confused because you are following a pedophile and a slave owner/dealer prophet. He has put 2-and-2 together and discovered the absurdities in following an Arab con-man who called himself a prophet. He decided to rather chose atheism rather than following your slave trader prophet. Thank God he is not in saudi arabia, your like would have reported him for leaving Islam and he would have been beheaded by the follower of the religion of peace.

Demmzy15:
Bilal was a black and not a slave of Prophet Muhammad or his companions, Usamah Ibn Zayd was black and not a slave of Prophet Muhammad, Umm Ayman Barakat was like a mother to Prophet Muhammad because she took care of him from his birth till he died was neither his slave not that of his companions. Wahshi Ibn Harb a black man who killed Prophet Muhammad's uncle was forgiven. Ammar Ibn Yassir was black, he wasn't a slave of Prophet Muhammad or his companions. Ayman was a black and wasn't a slave of Prophet Muhammad or his companions. Summayyah a black wasn't a slave of Prophet Muhammad or his companions.

You are not a good liar, try harder. Bilal, according to your so-called authentic hadith was a slave bought by Abu Bakr (Sahih bukhari book 57, hadith number 99). In the hadith he begged to be freed so that he can become a Muslim. Remember, a slave is not permitted to pay allegiance to your prophet hence his desperation for freedom so that his social status can be improved. On the other names you mentioned, provide reference. Anyway, see the following kind gestures by your slave trader prophet:

1) Your prophet returned a freeman back to slavery, after his master had freed him (sahih Bukhari 3:41:598)

2) Your prophet sold a slave who was freed by his master prior his death; your prophet needed the slave money badly (sahih Bukhari 3:34:351)

3) He bought a coptic slave for 800 dollars (Dirham, just joking) from a man who had no other property other than this slave. Your prophet was very helpful, instead of offering a financial assistance, he rather bought his only slave for 800 dollars. The Libyans who bought and sold blacks slaves are actually follwing the sunnah of your prophet (sahih Bukhari 9:89;296).

Demmzy15:
And to cap it, Prophet Muhammad dealt in slavery and this includes Arab and non-Arabs (including blacks), so I'm not ashamed or hiding any facts about that. I've explained to your yam head how blacks existed in the Arabian peninsula. Slavery was part of the Arab culture, they enslaved everyone including fellow Arabs from other tribes after wars, why should blacks being enslaved be an issue to you when they enslave their own people?

And your prophet profited from the evil economic system of slavery. If your prophet has any form of morality, he would have abolished instead of promoting slavery.

Demmzy15:
And for those that call blacks "abd", they're mostly Lebanese anr some Egyptian Arabs. They're racists, most of them are Arab nationalists and this kind of people exist everywhere, so you shouldn't expect they don't exist amongst Arabs.

Blacks are called 'Abd' everywhere is the Arab world; stop lying boy! The Arabs understand their religion and knew that blacks were all slaves to your evil prophet. It is not a big deal Arabs calling blacks 'Abd', it is part of the sunnah of your slave trader prophet.

Demmzy15:
Yen yen yen!!!! Are you a scientist? How did you conduct this projection? Show us, if you can't please show us a credible scientist that conducted such projections. Arabs enslaved Abyssinian blacks and Abyssinian blacks also enslaved blacks. The blacks enslaved Arabs in Yemen after defeating the Jewish rulers, this is history. When they were defeated, they themselves were taken as slaves. Why is it hard for you to understand this?

Go back to school. With the way you reason, it is either you did not pass your WAEC or had some outstanding 'carry-over' which you are yet to pass. Simple statistical method you dont understand, shame on you boy! If you say the blacks enslave the Arabs, provide a proof. I wont be surprised if you tell me the blacks also enslaved the Europeans.

Demmzy15:
Mumu

Seems you are product of a dysfunctional home.

Demmzy15:
Bilal was a slave of Ummayah Ibn Khallaf, he was freed by Abu Bakr As Sadeeq. Bilal himself killed his former slave master during the Battle of badr. And as for the narration you're talking about, please give us the reference. I'm sure you'll be humiliated once again See how he's beating his hairy chest as if he's intelligent LMAO

See my response above.

Demmzy15:
Aren't you an efulefu?

Seems you have an emotional and psychological issues affecting you. Get a therapist.

Demmzy15:
Is it that you are dumb?

Seems you have an emotional and psychological issues affecting you. Get a therapist.

Demmzy15:
Slavery was one of the things that drove the economy of the Old Axum Empire. They ruled over Arabs, at the height of their power they controlled up to Southern Saudi Arabia. They acquired slaves from different parts of their Empire, slaves passed through their land.

Hence Mohammed also engaged in slavery to boost the economy of the then Arab world. You are gradually telling the truth.

Demmzy15:
LMAO Many Sahabas and those after them were blacks. They we're respected and even attained high respect amongst the Muslim community, many Afro-Arabs became descendants of Prophet Muhammad. The first man to call Prayer was a black man, the first Imam of Mecca was a black, the youngest Muslim general that led an army was a black, the woman that nursed prophet Muhammad from birth till he died in which he considered and call "mother" was a black. What exactly do you want this man?

I hope Mohammed was also black. You will soon elevate his status to been a blackman all in your quest to defend your arab slave masters and Islam. Mention a single black narrator in the hadith so that I can consider, rather sluggishly, your Islamic propaganda.

Demmzy15:
Can you show us from the Tafsir, give us reference. I don't deal with nonsensical talks, if you have evidence that the verse was revealed before the Battle of Mutah, then give us clear explicit evidence

I dont deal with a lazy student who cant do his independent findings. Must I baby-sit you for free? Get an intellectual 'nanny'.

Demmzy15:
Aren't you a dumb flatheead?

Seems you are either for an 'ile olorogun', and I think your Dad did not treat your mum badly, why did you get this bad attitude?

Demmzy15:
Next time you ask and don't jump into conclusions, now use what I taught you and apply it to Afro-Arabs who are very similar to Afro-Latinos.

OK boy!

Demmzy15:
Just as how your God allowed 90 year old Joseph to marry 12 year old Mary and even went as far having sex with her to give birth to other children

Show us your proof or stop all these Islamic propaganda.

Demmzy15:
At least we're getting someone now, you're admitting more failures. That's a progress.

Which failure?

Demmzy15:
I was replying your dumb post of calling Latinos Caucasians when they're not. Hispanics are Caucasians, you need to know the differences.

Professor of Racial classification, can we continue our discussion on 'Islam and racism'?

Demmzy15:
How on Earth did Ilorin people substitute their culture with Arabs? Most Ilorin don't even understand Arabic, their dressings is similar to Northerners not Arabs. This guy's slow mehn, if a Yoruba decides today that he wants to be speaking Arabic alone, abandoning Yoruba language and culture and asks people to term him an Arab, then he is. No Ilorin does this, they still speak Yoruba, they dress like Yoruba and they're Yorubas. Even non-Yorubas like Nupes, Fulani and Hausa are now like Yorubas.

I dont think you have been to Ilorin of late. Going by your definition of racial substitution, the people of Ilorin are Arabs going by their current Islamic and Arabic outlook.

Demmzy15:
Isn't that a quote from your Lord and savior of pigs, Nnamdi Cownu?

Learn and don't curse.

Demmzy15:
I don't disrespect igbos, I only hate bigots and Islamophobes like you. So don't play any cheap emotional hullabaloo with me here. And like I said, your stats is for another time. You know me, whenever I'm ready for you, I won't relent until you've been exposed.

For over 72hrs you are yet to get your statistics to counter my claims, shame on you boy. Do a simple 'google-search' and stop making a fool of yourself.

Demmzy15:
Oops, you've discovered how stupid Trinity is Right? Or should we also visit verses of slavery in the Bible? I posted some and you're yet to respond, what happened exactly?

The mistake is from your ignorant prophet who mistook the 'Trinity' for God, the son and Mary (quran 4:171). Blame your ignorant prophet and try focus on the issue at hand: ISLAM AND RACISM.

Demmzy15:
Sour loser, you've been exposed to be an unrepentant liar. I'm sure, you must have googled your life to find the armies which islamized Sudan but you couldn't see hence admitting your failure.

You are repeating the ugly narrative of your illiterate prophet (Sour loser). So you are technically admitting that Muslim armies invaded, slaughtered, scorched-earth, rape and pillage many land except the Sudan.

LoL I know what you're trying to do, you have nothing tangible again but you keep replying me so as those viewing the thread can think you're intelligent and proving a point whereas your replies are weak and gibberish. I'll be ending the conversation slowly by eliminating rubbish and referring back to my old posts for regurgitated stuffs you present. I don't like repeating myself.

true2god:
You are not obliged report to me how you use your spare time. Why all the sermon?

Ok sir

[s]You are the one confused because you are following a pedophile and a slave owner/dealer prophet. He has put 2-and-2 together and discovered the absurdities in following an Arab con-man who called himself a prophet. He decided to rather chose atheism rather than following your slave trader prophet. Thank God he is not in saudi arabia, your like would have reported him for leaving Islam and he would have been beheaded by the follower of the religion of peace.[/s]

Nothing tangible, just usual Christian flatheead emotional outbursts.

You are not a good liar, try harder. Bilal, according to your so-called authentic hadith was a slave bought by Abu Bakr (Sahih bukhari book 57, hadith number 99). In the hadith he begged to be freed so that he can become a Muslim. Remember, a slave is not permitted to pay allegiance to your prophet hence his desperation for freedom so that his social status can be improved.

Your intellect is flawed, there was contention between Bilal and Abubakr. And Bilal replied him when Abubakr wanted to hinder Bilal, here's the full Hadith:

Bilal said to Abu Bakr, "If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake, then leave me for Allah's Work." https://sunnah.com/bukhari/62/102

And there's no evidence whatsoever that Bilal was under the servitude of Abubakr, in case you didn't know Bilal wasn't the only the slave Abubakr bought and freed. They were other slaves he bought and freed the same way he did with respect to Bilal but all your flatheead could think about is Bilal because he's black. I'm sorry, you're a fool!!!

On the other names you mentioned, provide reference. Anyway, see the following kind gestures by your slave trader prophet:

I should provide what references? Anybody that knows Islamic History would know that Umm Ayman Barakah was a black woman, no one disputes this. Her son Usamah Ibn Zayd was the youngest Muslim general and he was black. And how on Earth with your "I too know" won't know the man that killed Hamza the uncle of the Prophet? Even if you don't know anything about Islam, you ought to know it was a black man that killed him. This is common sense guy Please I'm not repeating myself, if you want to know about them, a simple Google search is available. You can search for: Umm Ayman Barakah, Usamah Ibn Zayd, Summayyah, Ammar Ibn Yassir, Ataa Ibn Abi Rabah, Wahshi Ibn Harb, Ayman.

I challenge you to search for these individuals and prove me wrong.

1) Your prophet returned a freeman back to slavery, after his master had freed him (sahih Bukhari 3:41:598)

Narrated Jabir: A man manumitted a slave and he had no other property than that, so the Prophet cancelled the manumission (and sold the slave for him). No'aim bin Al-Nahham bought the slave from him.

What's wrong here? The guy was bankrupt and the slave he freed was then resold for him to have something to take of himself and his family. Hope you're not running mad like this?

2) Your prophet sold a slave who was freed by his master prior his death; your prophet needed the slave money badly (sahih Bukhari 3:34:351)

Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin 'Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave.

Are you a goat? What's wrong here? Didn't I tell your flatheead the Prophet engaged in slavery? That was the norm then, Jesus even engaged in slavery. Till today some of the girls given to Jesus, we still don't know what he did with them and you're here talking rubbish.

3) He bought a coptic slave for 800 dollars (Dirham, just joking) from a man who had no other property other than this slave. Your prophet was very helpful, instead of offering a financial assistance, he rather bought his only slave for 800 dollars. The Libyans who bought and sold blacks slaves are actually follwing the sunnah of your prophet (sahih Bukhari 9:89;296).

Here's the Hadith:

Narrated Jabir:

The Prophet came to know that one of his companions had given the promise of freeing his slave after his death, but as he had no other property than that slave, the Prophet sold that slave for 800 dirhams and sent the price to him.

Firstly, there's no mention of Coptic here and secondly, what's wrong here? I hope you're Okay Sha?

And as for Libyans, they're following the footsteps of Christian Europeans who enslaved and killed millions of black and native peoples.

And your prophet profited from the evil economic system of slavery.If your prophet has any form of morality, he would have abolished instead of promoting slavery.

Dummy, no one can abolish slavery. Slavery still happens in one way or the other, Islam acknowledged this and this why manumission of slaves was encouraged. Something Christianity and Jesus didn't acknowledge and solve, if slavery was bad why didn't Jesus abolish outrightly? Because last time I checked, Christian empires after Jesus also traded slaves. Till today, people in Nigeria who are largely Muslims and Christians still engage in slavery, if you go to the East, you'll find many house maids who are like modern slaves. And all of you are largely Christians, but you come here and open your disgusting mouth to lambast Islam. You're a fool!!!

Blacks are called 'Abd' everywhere is the Arab world; stop lying boy! The Arabs understand their religion and knew that blacks were all slaves to your evil prophet. It is not a big deal Arabs calling blacks 'Abd', it is part of the sunnah of your slave trader prophet.

Blacks are 'Abd' by "Arab Pheonican Nationalists" who are mostly found in Lebanon. Accept it if you want, but I won't repeat myself again. If you like repeat, I'll just cancel your post. Dummy!!!

Go back to school. With the way you reason, it is either you did not pass your WAEC or had some outstanding 'carry-over' which you are yet to pass. Simple statistical method you dont understand, shame on you boy! If you say the blacks enslave the Arabs, provide a proof. I wont be surprised if you tell me the blacks also enslaved the Europeans.

To burst your bubble, I had 6B's and 2C's in my WAEC. Black Ethiopians enslaved Arabs after they defeated them in wars, this happened. This was the norm over 1500 years ago, deny all you want I've given evidences of slavery in Axum Empire and how slavery was one of the drivers of the economy.

Seems you are product of a dysfunctional home.

Believe me, you're mumu. You don't understand and process simple things, just emotional rubbish.

See my response above.

What response exactly? You didn't address anything my friend, your notion on Bilal has been destroyed. You're just hanging on and you'll surely fall

Seems you have an emotional and psychological issues affecting you. Get a therapist.

The only one having emotional and psychological issues is you who has refused to use his head. Guy, think straight and things would be clear to you. When you're emotional, you can't think straight, believe me, you can't. So get help mehn!!!

Hence Mohammed also engaged in slavery to boost the economy of the then Arab world. You are gradually telling the truth.

Prophet Muhammad engage in slavery I never denied that, it's you that can't fathom lifestyles of thousands of years ago. Abraham engaged in slavery, Moses engaged in slavery (in fact his case was worse), slavery was rampant in the Roman empire by the Roman and Jewish people but Jesus didn't say a word about it. Jesus in his god form even got slaves from Moses and you ignorant monkey come and criticize Islam which encouraged ending of slavery? You're not Okay!!!

I hope Mohammed was also black. You will soon elevate his status to been a blackman all in your quest to defend your arab slave masters and Islam. Mention a single black narrator in the hadith so that I can consider, rather sluggishly, your Islamic propaganda.

See this guy You see why you don't have sense, I've mentioned companions close to the Prophet. Some the prophet considered to be grandson, another he considered to be his mother but you want an Hadith Narrator? Believe me, talking to a fool reduces one's intellect, you're seriously dragging me down. Hadith Narrators that we're centuries after Prophet Muhammad? Anyways, lemme mention one and let's see what you'll say after this one. His name is Ataa Ibn Abi Rabah, who was also the Imam of Makkah.

I dont deal with a lazy student who cant do his independent findings. Must I baby-sit you for free? Get an intellectual 'nanny'.

Coward!!!

Show us your proof or stop all these Islamic propaganda.

https://www.nairaland.com/2509652/pure-description-islam

Go through the thread from beginning to the end

Which failure?

Are you honestly asking me this question?

Professor of Racial classification, can we continue our discussion on 'Islam and racism'?

You can't handle the heat ba?

I dont think you have been to Ilorin of late. Going by your definition of racial substitution, the people of Ilorin are Arabs going by their current Islamic and Arabic outlook.

Go and reread my description in my last post, this time slowly. Tauregs in Mali dress similarly to nomadic Arabs and they're not Arabs because they don't speak the language. People in Ilorin still converse in Yoruba language, so why would they call themselves Arabs? They never made this claim, you're the one who's making the claim because they dress like northerners. And if you think wearing turbans is peculiar to Arabs, then you're wrong. Muslims since the early times have always work turbans especially West African Muslim.

I attached a picture of of Oluwo of Iwo in Osun State during the 19th century wearing a turbans because he's Muslim and that didn't in anyway signify he's an Arab. Also the picture of Muhammad Shitta Bey, both of them are fully blooded Yoruba Muslims.

For over 72hrs you are yet to get your statistics to counter my claims, shame on you boy. Do a simple 'google-search' and stop making a fool of yourself.

Your double standards ehn, you were the same person asking me to stick to the topic and not on race despite the fact that my explanation correlates with the topic of discussion but at the same time you want us to discuss igbo people performance in WAEC, something that doesn't even relates to the topic. You see the Igbo sense I'm talking about?

The mistake is from your ignorant prophet who mistook the 'Trinity' for God, the son and Mary (quran 4:171). Blame your ignorant prophet and try focus on the issue at hand: ISLAM AND RACISM.

So you haven't heard of "Collyridianism"? So you don't know of many Christian sects with obscure beliefs existed? Do you that we had Unitarian christians that believed Jesus wasn't crucified at all? As a Christian, you need to research more because the existence of such Christian sects means you're likely wrong to believe in 3 gods.

You are repeating the ugly narrative of your illiterate prophet (Sour loser). So you are technically admitting that Muslim armies invaded, slaughtered, scorched-earth, rape and pillage many land except the Sudan.

I didn't mention anything related to that that warrants this rubbish reply, you failed in your quest to link conquest as the tool of Arabization and Islamization of Sudan. Guy admit, and if it comes to war, it's better you stick to what you know because if I start with atrocities of Christians and Jews over the centuries against themselves, pagans and Muslims you might not be able to eat o

Demmzy15:
LoL I know what you're trying to do, you have nothing tangible again but you keep replying me so as those viewing the thread can think you're intelligent and proving a point whereas your replies are weak and gibberish. I'll be ending the conversation slowly by eliminating rubbish and referring back to my old posts for regurgitated stuffs you present. I don't like repeating myself.

Don't give room for 'inferiority complex' because I can see you have a weak ego. Have you run out of idea?

Demmzy15:
Nothing tangible, just usual Christian flatheead emotional outbursts.

This is not an intelligent response from a supposedly bright mind.

Demmzy15:
Your intellect is flawed, there was contention between Bilal and Abubakr. And Bilal replied him when Abubakr wanted to hinder Bilal, here's the full Hadith:

Bilal said to Abu Bakr, "If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake, then leave me for Allah's Work." https://sunnah.com/bukhari/62/102

And there's no evidence whatsoever that Bilal was under the servitude of Abubakr, in case you didn't know Bilal wasn't the only the slave Abubakr bought and freed. They were other slaves he bought and freed the same way he did with respect to Bilal but all your flatheead could think about is Bilal because he's black. I'm sorry, you're a fool!!!

Slaves are bought for servitude and not for leisure. Bilal was Abu Bakr's slave but Mohammed was equally using him for his new religious. He complained that he was being used, first by his primary master (Abu Bakr) and then his secondary master (Mohammed). He only cried out for his work-load to be reduced. This is commonsense if you have the skill to look at the bigger picture.

Demmzy15:
I should provide what references? Anybody that knows Islamic History would know that Umm Ayman Barakah was a black woman, no one disputes this. Her son Usamah Ibn Zayd was the youngest Muslim general and he was black. And how on Earth with your "I too know" won't know the man that killed Hamza the uncle of the Prophet? Even if you don't know anything about Islam, you ought to know it was a black man that killed him. This is common sense guy Please I'm not repeating myself, if you want to know about them, a simple Google search is available. You can search for: Umm Ayman Barakah, Usamah Ibn Zayd, Summayyah, Ammar Ibn Yassir, Ataa Ibn Abi Rabah, Wahshi Ibn Harb, Ayman.

Giving random names, without providing references, does not make sense. I asked you to give me names of black people who came in contact with Mohammed that we never his slaves, with reference from authentic hadith and you have failed to provide any.

Demmzy15:
I challenge you to search for these individuals and prove me wrong.

You made a claim and it your responsibility to provide valid references.

Demmzy15:
Narrated Jabir: A man manumitted a slave and he had no other property than that, so the Prophet cancelled the manumission (and sold the slave for him). No'aim bin Al-Nahham bought the slave from him.

What's wrong here? The guy was bankrupt and the slave he freed was then resold for him to have something to take of himself and his family. Hope you're not running mad like this?

Your richer prophet should have helped the poor man in another way instead of auctioning his slave to raise money for him. The man was nice enough to free his slave since he was bankrupt but your prophet re-sold him into slavery in order to raise money for the poor man. Who is morally just, the man that freed his slave or your prophet that place the man back into slavery?

Demmzy15:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin 'Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave.

Are you a goat? What's wrong here? Didn't I tell your flatheead the Prophet engaged in slavery? That was the norm then, Jesus even engaged in slavery. Till today some of the girls given to Jesus, we still don't know what he did with them and you're here talking rubbish.



Here's the Hadith:

Narrated Jabir:

The Prophet came to know that one of his companions had given the promise of freeing his slave after his death, but as he had no other property than that slave, the Prophet sold that slave for 800 dirhams and sent the price to him.

This scenario is similar to the one I responded to earlier. Your prophet was a bad example; re-selling freed slaves is evil.

Demmzy15:
Firstly, there's no mention of Coptic here and secondly, what's wrong here? I hope you're Okay Sha?

Quote the full source, you can visit sunnah.com for a more detailed explanation.

Demmzy15:
And as for Libyans, they're following the footsteps of Christian Europeans who enslaved and killed millions of black and native peoples.

From all what you posted above you still blame 'Christian Europeans' instead of your prophet? Try accept responsibility for once; slavery is evil and your prophet was deeply involved in it.

Demmzy15:
Dummy, no one can abolish slavery. Slavery still happens in one way or the other, Islam acknowledged this and this why manumission of slaves was encouraged. Something Christianity and Jesus didn't acknowledge and solve, if slavery was bad why didn't Jesus abolish outrightly? Because last time I checked, Christian empires after Jesus also traded slaves. Till today, people in Nigeria who are largely Muslims and Christians still engage in slavery, if you go to the East, you'll find many house maids who are like modern slaves. And all of you are largely Christians, but you come here and open your disgusting mouth to lambast Islam. You're a fool!!!

From your own post all the manumitted slaves were placed back into slavery. Are you sure you are ok? Ordinary citizen freed their slaves but you prophet sold them back into perpetual slavery. Don't transfer your anger to me but to your prophet.

Demmzy15:
Blacks are 'Abd' by "Arab Pheonican Nationalists" who are mostly found in Lebanon. Accept it if you want, but I won't repeat myself again. If you like repeat, I'll just cancel your post. Dummy!!!

Thank God you are gradually accepting the fact that blacks are callerd 'Abd'. And FYA, they also call you blacks 'Abd' in Saudi Arabia, deal with it bro.

Demmzy15:
To burst your bubble, I had 6B's and 2C's in my WAEC. Black Ethiopians enslaved Arabs after they defeated them in wars, this happened. This was the norm over 1500 years ago, deny all you want I've given evidences of slavery in Axum Empire and how slavery was one of the drivers of the economy.

Clap for yourself; you have achieved a lot academically. I will 'Bluetooth-slap' you if you repeat this lie again: 'Black Ethiopians enslaved Arabs'. You are a shame to the black race (if you are not an Arab) for believing this lie.

Demmzy15:
What response exactly? You didn't address anything my friend, your notion on Bilal has been destroyed. You're just hanging on and you'll surely fall

Islamic super-ego on display; my notion on Bilal has been destroyed. Read my post above.

Demmzy15:
The only one having emotional and psychological issues is you who has refused to use his head. Guy, think straight and things would be clear to you. When you're emotional, you can't think straight, believe me, you can't. So get help mehn!!!

Curse and shout to shut down an intellectual discussion. I have engaged your type times without number.

Demmzy15:
Prophet Muhammad engage in slavery I never denied that, it's you that can't fathom lifestyles of thousands of years ago. Abraham engaged in slavery, Moses engaged in slavery (in fact his case was worse), slavery was rampant in the Roman empire by the Roman and Jewish people but Jesus didn't say a word about it. Jesus in his god form even got slaves from Moses and you ignorant monkey come and criticize Islam which encouraged ending of slavery? You're not Okay!!!

God boy! At least you have admitted that Mohammed was a slave merchant just that you have to include other people to provide a moral justification for his evil. Deal with Mohammed and stop dragging other people into his dirty lifestyle.

Demmzy15:
See this guy You see why you don't have sense, I've mentioned companions close to the Prophet. Some the prophet considered to be grandson, another he considered to be his mother but you want an Hadith Narrator? Believe me, talking to a fool reduces one's intellect, you're seriously dragging me down. Hadith Narrators that we're centuries after Prophet Muhammad? Anyways, lemme mention one and let's see what you'll say after this one. His name is Ataa Ibn Abi Rabah, who was also the Imam of Makkah.

I asked you to give me the name of a single narrator of the hadith who is black and you are here talking nonsense. You cant provide one because they never existed. Slaves are not allowed to pay allegiance to the prophet hence their testimony cannot be allowed in the hadith.

Demmzy15:
Coward!!!

https://www.nairaland.com/2509652/pure-description-islam

Go through the thread from beginning to the end

Discuss the issue at hand; don't deflect like a Jehovah's witness.

Demmzy15:
Are you honestly asking me this question?

If you don't have an answer you skip to the next issue.

Demmzy15:
You can't handle the heat ba?

Heat or abuse? Clarify.

Demmzy15:
Go and reread my description in my last post, this time slowly. Tauregs in Mali dress similarly to nomadic Arabs and they're not Arabs because they don't speak the language. People in Ilorin still converse in Yoruba language, so why would they call themselves Arabs? They never made this claim, you're the one who's making the claim because they dress like northerners. And if you think wearing turbans is peculiar to Arabs, then you're wrong. Muslims since the early times have always work turbans especially West African Muslim.

From you analogy the African Americans in the US are English people since 99.9% speak English as their mother-tongue and first language. Use your brain and not your anus. Racial classification, except the Islamic standard, has nothing to do with the language you speak but your physiological make-up (including the tone of your skin). Don't spend all your time to be brainwashed at the madrassas.

Demmzy15:
I attached a picture of of Oluwo of Iwo in Osun State during the 19th century wearing a turbans because he's Muslim and that didn't in anyway signify he's an Arab. Also the picture of Muhammad Shitta Bey, both of them are fully blooded Yoruba Muslims.

Of course, by your own stupid logic if the Oluwo of Iwo, and his subjects, speak Arabic as their mother-tongue, they will no longer be Yoruba people but arabs. Go back to school and write your 'carry-over'.

Demmzy15:
Your double standards ehn, you were the same person asking me to stick to the topic and not on race despite the fact that my explanation correlates with the topic of discussion but at the same time you want us to discuss igbo people performance in WAEC, something that doesn't even relates to the topic. You see the Igbo sense I'm talking about?

You brought in the Igbo people and I need to clear your doubt; I didn't even dwell much on it to avoid derailment.

Demmzy15:
So you haven't heard of "Collyridianism"? So you don't know of many Christian sects with obscure beliefs existed? Do you that we had Unitarian christians that believed Jesus wasn't crucified at all? As a Christian, you need to research more because the existence of such Christian sects means you're likely wrong to believe in 3 gods.

Topic: Islam and racism. Next!!!

Demmzy15:
I didn't mention anything related to that that warrants this rubbish reply, you failed in your quest to link conquest as the tool of Arabization and Islamization of Sudan. Guy admit, and if it comes to war, it's better you stick to what you know because if I start with atrocities of Christians and Jews over the centuries against themselves, pagans and Muslims you might not be able to eat o

Open a thread and let's discuss it.

true2god:
Don't give room for 'inferiority complex' because I can see you have a weak ego. Have you run out of idea?

"Weak ego" "run out of idea"? Where are these bollocks coming from? Hope you're okay Sha?

This is not an intelligent response from a supposedly bright mind.

Nothing tangible just your usual emotional outbursts, your usual missionary tantrums you've been pouring out for years. So I'll pass.

Slaves are bought for servitude and not for leisure. Bilal was Abu Bakr's slave but Mohammed was equally using him for his new religious. He complained that he was being used, first by his primary master (Abu Bakr) and then his secondary master (Mohammed). He only cried out for his work-load to be reduced. This is commonsense if you have the skill to look at the bigger picture.

Do you know the meaning of freeing a slave? Lemme explain it better to you, people of the old used to buy birds locked up in cages, they could have simply taken it home to be under lock and key but they set it by letting it fly away. That's how it's similar when slaves are freed, you buy them and let them loose from their masters since you can't take them by force from their former masters.

@underlined, we need explicit evidence for these assertions from either the Hadith or history of Islam, if you can't remain shut. What you brought earlier has been trashed.

Giving random names, without providing references, does not make sense. I asked you to give me names of black people who came in contact with Mohammed that we never his slaves, with reference from authentic hadith and you have failed to provide any.

You're not bright at all, I mentioned names for you so as you can look it up for yourself. You can check it out yourself and prove to the world that I'm a Liar, that's the least you could do. If I just made a blatant claim without mentioning anything to back up, then you can make demands but I mentioned names and they're verifiable. These people are known in Islamic history, every Muslim must have heard about them, so if you who has spent your miserable unfruitful life haven't heard about them, then I'm sorry. Now be intelligent and look up the names.

You made a claim and it your responsibility to provide valid references.

I've given names, check them and prove me wrong. Why are you scared to do this?

Your richer prophet should have helped the poor man in another way instead of auctioning his slave to raise money for him. The man was nice enough to free his slave since he was bankrupt but your prophet re-sold him into slavery in order to raise money for the poor man. Who is morally just, the man that freed his slave or your prophet that place the man back into slavery?

Your argument crumbled @underlined, Prophet Muhammad wasn't a rich man, he suffered hunger like every other man. His mission in this world wasn't to acquire riches, your Jesus cursed a tree because it didn't bear fruits. So being rich isn't a characteristics of men of God. So next!?

This scenario is similar to the one I responded to earlier. Your prophet was a bad example; re-selling freed slaves is evil.

You didn't respond to anything. So your Jesus is a good example abi? A man that ordered Moses and his back of savage dogs to kill, rape and butcher innocent men, women and children is a good example to you right? A God that requested for virgins, till today no Christian has mentioned to us what Jesus did to those virgins he asked Moses for.

Quote the full source, you can visit sunnah.com for a more detailed explanation.

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/93/48 That's the reference, show us where there's Coptic there. Let's say for the sake of an argument that there's a Coptic, what's wrong?

From all what you posted above you still blame 'Christian Europeans' instead of your prophet? Try accept responsibility for once; slavery is evil and your prophet was deeply involved in it.

Every civilization on the surface of this Earth engaged in slavery, Islam did and provided solution, so I'm not ashamed of that. However, it's an established fact that the European Christians were the ones that enslaved people based on their skin color, this is something you can't deny.

From your own post all the manumitted slaves were placed back into slavery. Are you sure you are ok? Ordinary citizen freed their slaves but you prophet sold them back into perpetual slavery. Don't transfer your anger to me but to your prophet.

No it's a reply to your selected hadiths, you were the ones that selected these Hadith and I replied you. I didn't bring them up, you did and I replied. However, you can't deny what I stated in that post. I'll repeat so as you can see again;

Dummy, no one can abolish slavery. Slavery still happens in one way or the other, Islam acknowledged this and this why manumission of slaves was encouraged. Something Christianity and Jesus didn't acknowledge and solve, if slavery was bad why didn't Jesus abolish outrightly? Because last time I checked, Christian empires after Jesus also traded slaves. Till today, people in Nigeria who are largely Muslims and Christians still engage in slavery, if you go to the East, you'll find many house maids who are like modern slaves. And all of you are largely Christians, but you come here and open your disgusting mouth to lambast Islam. You're a fool!!!

Thank God you are gradually accepting the fact that blacks are callerd 'Abd'. And FYA, they also call you blacks 'Abd' in Saudi Arabia, deal with it bro.

Okay, if that makes you feel better. But I know for a fact that you aren't white, so if you visit Lebanon, your Lebanese Christians wouldn't hesitate to call you"Abd". And you haven't met any Saudi Arabia, of course there are Arab nationalists and tribalists amongst Saudis but they don't call blacks "Abd", I challenge you to disprove this fact. You can visit Saudi to prove me wrong, Oops, I've forgotten that if you get to Saudi you can lose your filthy head because you're surely a drug carrier. Better save your head, don't go there if not you'll lose your head. That's my advice to you.

Clap for yourself; you have achieved a lot academically. I will 'Bluetooth-slap' you if you repeat this lie again: 'Black Ethiopians enslaved Arabs'. You are a shame to the black race (if you are not an Arab) for believing this lie.

Ok History showed that Ethiopians enslaved others during wars, so your opinion doesn't matter. So I'll pass.

Islamic super-ego on display; my notion on Bilal has been destroyed. Read my post above.

Which above post?

God boy! At least you have admitted that Mohammed was a slave merchant just that you have to include other people to provide a moral justification for his evil. Deal with Mohammed and stop dragging other people into his dirty lifestyle.

Just as how Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and other great Prophets of God were slave merchants. Nothing to be ashamed of bro

I asked you to give me the name of a single narrator of the hadith who is black and you are here talking nonsense. You cant provide one because they never existed. Slaves are not allowed to pay allegiance to the prophet hence their testimony cannot be allowed in the hadith.

You see why I always abuse and cuss you? It's because you don't have sense, you don't read. You just glance through posts without reading, I mentioned a name but you didn't see it because you were sweaty, anxious, depressed and desperate by the replies I've given you. You can't handle the heat, I'll recopy my earlier post and past it here, this time open your eyes:

See this guy? You see why you don't have sense, I've mentioned companions close to the Prophet. Some the prophet considered to be grandson, another he considered to be his mother but you want an Hadith Narrator? Believe me, talking to a fool reduces one's intellect, you're seriously dragging me down. Hadith Narrators that we're centuries after Prophet Muhammad? Anyways, lemme mention one and let's see what you'll say after this one. His name is Ataa Ibn Abi Rabah, who was also the Imam of Makkah.

Hope you notice the emphasis? Next time read my posts clearly, now go home and do the assignment. Don't come and say I should give you Hadith that he's black, you should research that to prove me wrong after I've give you a name.

Discuss the issue at hand; don't deflect like a Jehovah's witness.

Are you confused or what? I mentioned a fact and you asked for prove and I gave you and you're talking rubbish. Here's what I stated initially:

Just as how your God allowed 90 year old Joseph to marry 12 year old Mary and even went as far having sex with her to give birth to other children

And you replied:

Show us your proof or stop all these Islamic propaganda.

To which I then replied by giving proof slowpoke!

https://www.nairaland.com/2509652/pure-description-islam

Go through the thread from beginning to the end

If you don't have an answer you skip to the next issue.

Go through the thread and see your failures, checkout how all your arguments are being demolished.

From you analogy the African Americans in the US are English people since 99.9% speak English as their mother-tongue and first language. Use your brain and not your anus. Racial classification, except the Islamic standard, has nothing to do with the language you speak but your physiological make-up (including the tone of your skin). Don't spend all your time to be brainwashed at the madrassas.

You're a confused dummy, you said Ilorin people are now Arabs. This was the bone of contention, you claimed they're Arabs because of some few influences and I said they're not as they never claimed to be and don't speak the language, this your post should be directed to your confused self not me because I never claimed Ilorin people were Arabs. You were the one making the claim, remember when you said: So the Yorubas in Ilorin, kwara state Nigeria, are now Arabs (since they have subtituted their local culture with that of the arabs)? I see your intellectual depravity.

My reply to you then was that ilorin people are still Yorubas as they've never claimed to be Arabs, they didn't adopt the Arab culture and anything close to that. Majority of them them don't even understand the language, so what on Earth are you talking about?

Of course, by your own stupid logic if the Oluwo of Iwo, and his subjects, speak Arabic as their mother-tongue, they will no longer be Yoruba people but arabs. Go back to school and write your 'carry-over'.

Gosh, this guy is super dumb!!! Dang it!!! You must be a disappointment to your family, Oluwo of Iwo does understand Arabic but he never adopted the Arab culture, you only become an Arab linguistically if you adopt the culture. This is what the sudanes people did and that's why they're called Arabs today, why is this fact hard to enter your impervious brain? Speaking Arabic doesn't make you an Arab as there many White Caucasians who speak Arabic fluently but they aren't Arabs because they neither adopted the culture not claimed to be one. I've given you several references and even an answer from an Arab user on Quora but your dumb flatheead refuses to take heed, I won't repeat myself again, I'll just be cancelling your post. Olodo!

You brought in the Igbo people and I need to clear your doubt; I didn't even dwell much on it to avoid derailment.

You were the one that derailed not me, I never derailed. You mentioned South East being better than all 20 Northern states in education, something which doesn't relate at all to the post. So stop lying, here's what you said: Even here in Nigeria, the south east states are permanently ranked academically superior to all 20 northern states. That's the effect of certain religion, like Islam, in any society.

You were the one who started it, I then referred you back to history where Igbos were savages who couldn't even translate a Bible to their own language until a Yoruba man did it for them. Blame yourself not me!

Topic: Islam and racism. Next!!!

Open a thread and let's discuss it.

You can and invite me.

Demmzy15:


"Weak ego" "run out of idea"? Where are these bollocks coming from? Hope you're okay Sha?

Far more brighter than you bro.

Demmzy15:
Nothing tangible just your usual emotional outbursts, your usual missionary tantrums you've been pouring out for years. So I'll pass.

You have comprehension problem hence you couldn't have a grasp of my points.

Demmzy15:
Do you know the meaning of freeing a slave? Lemme explain it better to you, people of the old used to buy birds locked up in cages, they could have simply taken it home to be under lock and key but they set it by letting it fly away. That's how it's similar when slaves are freed, you buy them and let them loose from their masters since you can't take them by force from their former masters.

Its unfortunate that human lives can now be compared to animals that can be bought and sold. Anyway, the sunnah/hadith where mohammed sold 2 of his black slaves to buy one 1 slaves was titled: Animal transactions. In Islamic slave trade, human transaction is equivalent to animal transaction. The same transaction rules for the sale of cattle also applied for the sale of human.

Demmzy15:
@underlined, we need explicit evidence for these assertions from either the Hadith or history of Islam, if you can't remain shut. What you brought earlier has been trashed.

This is reason I believed you don't have a critical thinking skill. Read the hadith narration below and open your brain wide:

Bilal said to Abu Bakr, "If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake, then leave me for Allah's Work." https://sunnah.com/bukhari/62/102

Demmzy15:
You're not bright at all, I mentioned names for you so as you can look it up for yourself. You can check it out yourself and prove to the world that I'm a Liar, that's the least you could do. If I just made a blatant claim without mentioning anything to back up, then you can make demands but I mentioned names and they're verifiable. These people are known in Islamic history, every Muslim must have heard about them, so if you who has spent your miserable unfruitful life haven't heard about them, then I'm sorry. Now be intelligent and look up the names.

'Olodo rabata, oju eja lo mo o je'. I asked for evidence of black people who came in contact with Mohammad and were not his slaves, but you provided random names without reference. You asked me to go and find out by myself with the random names your wrote, don't you know you sound stupid here? You should also included Olamide Badoo in your fictitious list.

Demmzy15:
I've given names, check them and prove me wrong. Why are you scared to do this?

See my immediate response.

Demmzy15:
Your argument crumbled @underlined, Prophet Muhammad wasn't a rich man, he suffered hunger like every other man. His mission in this world wasn't to acquire riches, your Jesus cursed a tree because it didn't bear fruits. So being rich isn't a characteristics of men of God. So next!?

Mohammed early life was filled with poverty, misery and misfortune (during his childhood) until his adulthood when he came in contact with his Boss, Khadijah, who latter bacame his wife. Khadija was a very wealthy widow who was engaged in multi-million dollar business (by today's langauge). Mohammed, after his marriage to Khadija, lived a comfortable and rich life until the death of his wife Khadija. Khadija's wealth dried up after her death because of mismanagement and Mohammed's deep involvement in religion instead of business. And to make up for the loss, the early Muslim community survived on war booty, zakat and jizya and Mohammed, being the leader, was responsible for how war booty and other income are shared (quran 8:1). You cannot tell me that the man who was responsible for how war booty, zakat and jizya should be allocated is a poor man unless you want to tell me that modern president/finance ministers are poor people.

Demmzy15:
You didn't respond to anything. So your Jesus is a good example abi? A man that ordered Moses and his back of savage dogs to kill, rape and butcher innocent men, women and children is a good example to you right? A God that requested for virgins, till today no Christian has mentioned to us what Jesus did to those virgins he asked Moses for.

Yes, Jesus is a good example if you compare both Jesus and Mohammed 'head-to-head'.

Demmzy15:
Every civilization on the surface of this Earth engaged in slavery, Islam did and provided solution, so I'm not ashamed of that. However, it's an established fact that the European Christians were the ones that enslaved people based on their skin color, this is something you can't deny.

What solution did Islam provide for slavery? The last time I check, Saudi Arabia was forced to abolish slavery in 1962 by the Americans. The kafir forced the leader of the ummah to stop slavery.
https://www.unodc.org/documents/human-trafficking/UNODC_Trafficking_and_Islamic_Law.pdf
http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/amcdouga/Hist494/Team%201/enslavement%20manumission%201926-38.pdf
https://twitter.com/diasporicblues/status/962038799491461122?lang=en

Don't be ashamed to open this links above and get educated; it will help you bro. It is a shame for a blackman for still take Mohammed as a prophet.

Demmzy15:
Dummy, no one can abolish slavery. Slavery still happens in one way or the other, Islam acknowledged this and this why manumission of slaves was encouraged. Something Christianity and Jesus didn't acknowledge and solve, if slavery was bad why didn't Jesus abolish outrightly? Because last time I checked, Christian empires after Jesus also traded slaves. Till today, people in Nigeria who are largely Muslims and Christians still engage in slavery, if you go to the East, you'll find many house maids who are like modern slaves. And all of you are largely Christians, but you come here and open your disgusting mouth to lambast Islam. You're a fool!!!

See my immediate response.

Demmzy15:
Okay, if that makes you feel better. But I know for a fact that you aren't white, so if you visit Lebanon, your Lebanese Christians wouldn't hesitate to call you"Abd". And you haven't met any Saudi Arabia, of course there are Arab nationalists and tribalists amongst Saudis but they don't call blacks "Abd", I challenge you to disprove this fact. You can visit Saudi to prove me wrong, Oops, I've forgotten that if you get to Saudi you can lose your filthy head because you're surely a drug carrier. Better save your head, don't go there if not you'll lose your head. That's my advice to you.

the last time I check almost all the Nigerians arrested in Saudi Arabia are all Muslims and are either Yorubas or Hausas. Abeg dont make me laugh. Why will I visit Saudi Arabia of all place? Is it for umra or hajj?

Demmzy15:
Ok History showed that Ethiopians enslaved others during wars, so your opinion doesn't matter. So I'll pass.

You never provided any proof. At no time had any black people enslave white (Arabs inclusive). Stop lying for Allah and his messenger.

Demmzy15:
Just as how Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and other great Prophets of God were slave merchants. Nothing to be ashamed of bro

Mohammed, according to Islam is 'a perfect man', 'mercy to mankind', best man ever' and the 'last and final prophet' which means that his moral standard should be higher than all other human being on earth. It is unfortunate that the opposite is true. The fact remains that he put many freed slaves back to slavery, a moral crime which no else has committed in the history of man.

Demmzy15:
See this guy? You see why you don't have sense, I've mentioned companions close to the Prophet. Some the prophet considered to be grandson, another he considered to be his mother but you want an Hadith Narrator? Believe me, talking to a fool reduces one's intellect, you're seriously dragging me down. Hadith Narrators that we're centuries after Prophet Muhammad? Anyways, lemme mention one and let's see what you'll say after this one. His name is Ataa Ibn Abi Rabah, who was also the Imam of Makkah.

Hope you notice the emphasis? Next time read my posts clearly, now go home and do the assignment. Don't come and say I should give you Hadith that he's black, you should research that to prove me wrong after I've give you a name.

'Olodo rabata'. You never showed me any single black person who is a narrator of the hadith.

Demmzy15:
Are you confused or what? I mentioned a fact and you asked for prove and I gave you and you're talking rubbish. Here's what I stated initially:

Just as how your God allowed 90 year old Joseph to marry 12 year old Mary and even went as far having sex with her to give birth to other children

Show us prove as per the bolded and stop lying for allah and his messenger.

Demmzy15:
And you replied:

Show us your proof or stop all these Islamic propaganda.

To which I then replied by giving proof slowpoke!

https://www.nairaland.com/2509652/pure-description-islam

Go through the thread from beginning to the end



Go through the thread and see your failures, checkout how all your arguments are being demolished.

I am being demolished by you sheer ignorance and stupidity. You dont make a point without evidence, that stupidity and intellectual dishonesty on your part.

Demmzy15:
You're a confused dummy, you said Ilorin people are now Arabs. This was the bone of contention, you claimed they're Arabs because of some few influences and I said they're not as they never claimed to be and don't speak the language, this your post should be directed to your confused self not me because I never claimed Ilorin people were Arabs. You were the one making the claim, remember when you said: So the Yorubas in Ilorin, kwara state Nigeria, are now Arabs (since they have subtituted their local culture with that of the arabs)? I see your intellectual depravity.

My reply to you then was that ilorin people are still Yorubas as they've never claimed to be Arabs, they didn't adopt the Arab culture and anything close to that. Majority of them them don't even understand the language, so what on Earth are you talking about?

I never said the Ilorin people are now Arabs. What I said is that, based on your inverse logic, any group pf people that speak Arabic and are culturally 'conquered' by Arabs can chose to be identified as Arabs. According to your logic, people can claim to be Arabs as long as they meet some cultural and linguistic criteria which the people of Ilorin, many of them, have met.

Demmzy15:
Gosh, this guy is super dumb!!! Dang it!!! You must be a disappointment to your family, Oluwo of Iwo does understand Arabic but he never adopted the Arab culture, you only become an Arab linguistically if you adopt the culture. This is what the sudanes people did and that's why they're called Arabs today, why is this fact hard to enter your impervious brain? Speaking Arabic doesn't make you an Arab as there many White Caucasians who speak Arabic fluently but they aren't Arabs because they neither adopted the culture not claimed to be one. I've given you several references and even an answer from an Arab user on Quora but your dumb flatheead refuses to take heed, I won't repeat myself again, I'll just be cancelling your post. Olodo!

The African Americans have attained mastery in English language and they have equally adopted English culture and way of life and by your Islamic logic, the African Americans are now English people. Can you see how stupid you sound? The real Arabs (semitic people) are classified as white in the US while all the sudanese are classified as negroid in the US. DO NOT BE SILLY.

Demmzy15:
You were the one that derailed not me, I never derailed. You mentioned South East being better than all 20 Northern states in education, something which doesn't relate at all to the post. So stop lying, here's what you said: Even here in Nigeria, the south east states are permanently ranked academically superior to all 20 northern states. That's the effect of certain religion, like Islam, in any society.
You were the one who started it, I then referred you back to history where Igbos were savages who couldn't even translate a Bible to their own language until a Yoruba man did it for them. Blame yourself not me!

You dont deserve any of the rational responses here again. Mention the name(s) of the Yoruba man(men) that translated the English Bible to Igbo language, the year it was translated and the publishing house that produced the work. I won't be surprised to hear from they lying Muslim that the Yorubas translated the Bible into Japanese language. And as a take away, it is on record, here in Nigeria, that the people with the highest rate of ritual killings, human sacrifices and mining of human skulls (at the grave yards) are Yoruba Muslims.