Algerian1:
Mig 29 algeria



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nazkPLhxs-g

patches689:


I have always preferred the MIG over the SU's.

For purely aesthetic reasons.

patches689:


7.62 was abandoned for a reason and 5.45 and 5.56 adopted for a reason.

"MUH STOPPING POWA" is a meme. 5.45 and 5.56 has a yawing effect, which results in bigger wound cavities than 7.62 it equally has a biger chance of fragmentation than 7.62. Equally is the "muh energy muh penetration" is a meme the US military has M995 AP rounds that shatter ceramic armor and pen steel/aluminum armor, a new tungsten variant of M995 has been issued a few years back as well. Range is irrelevant as both rounds have a simular trajectory over 700m, [/b]US SOCOM actually gave up 7.62 SCAR rifles almost as soon as they were adopted.

Anyway, the argument is semantic. 6.8 grendel has been selected for the US militarys future weapons as it has the benefits of 5.45/5.56 and the range of 7.62

kikuyu1:


Errrr,no...as you can see it drops twice the distance of a 7.62 NATO at 500 m and hits with less force than a .38 bullet while the former has 9x the force!!

61mech:
Go to pace out 500m somewhere and actually look at what a human target looks like at that distance.
That's not a realistic range to be hitting anything with a standard open sight assault rifle. (BTW. flip sights will compensate for drop.)
Even with a combat optic you'd issue to a rifleman its very difficult. Additionally you're target is also not going to present you with a full torso range target and if he does, hell be moving making it practically impossible.

Your disqualifying the caliber based on what it would be asked to do in 2% (being generous) of combat situations while ignoring the massive weight penalty of 7.62 NATO. Carrying 200 rounds doesn't mean you're expecting to kill 200 enemy. 95% of your fire is speculative (people tend to go to cover when shot at) or covering fire to enable you to manoeuvre and close distance on the enemy. Thats were round count and volume of fire comes in to play)

All this stuff has been played out in combat since WW2. Army doctrine is not based in theory. There's a reason all major countries have dropped the 7.62mm as a assault rifle round.

kikuyu1:


The bolded is smth everyone ignores! For now our the 5.56 mm is adequate-none of us at least on this continent have faced properly trained and kitted oppos. However in Syria,level 3 armour wearing ISIS have been confronted. What happens when one day the SADF encounters a true formation beyond the level of FAPLA and/or M 23,a properly enemy force armed with 7.62 mm and level 4 body armour? IIRC,even Nemesis8u,said the Indian brass was overjoyed by the induction of the 7.62 NATO Trichy to replace the smaller INSAS.
Anyway,give me your opinion in the following scenario: 2 enemy platoons blunder into each other at 400m. Both are units of proper national armies and thus equally trained though one has 5.56 mm and the other 7.62 NATO-who'll come out on top all things being equal?

Xbee007:

WTH, his colleague standing next to him wore it right.
What is his excuse

Even his hydration pack was kept in front rather than the back where everyone keeps them. I guess he is just pushing the boundary of oddities.

61mech:



What I can tell you for sure is that the Pl. armed with 7.62 will run out of ammo in 1/2 the time and distance covered if not sooner. Remember, you need to keep 1/3rd of your ammo in reserve after contact is broken with the enemy. That's the SOP in case of a counter attack. That leaves you with 100-120 rounds max for 7.62 in the fight. That goes pretty quickly.

On top of that, I dont think anyone disputes the fact that most infantry combat takes place at less than 300m with the vast majority happening at less than 100m historically. If your going to stand at 400m and shoot at each other I'd actually prefer to have my .300 WinMag with a scope rather than a 7.62 or a 556.

kikuyu1:


The bolded is smth everyone ignores! For now our the 5.56 mm is adequate-none of us at least on this continent have faced properly trained and kitted oppos. However in Syria,level 3 armour wearing ISIS have been confronted. What happens when one day the SADF encounters a true formation beyond the level of FAPLA and/or M 23,a properly enemy force armed with 7.62 mm and level 4 body armour? IIRC,even Nemesis8u,said the Indian brass was overjoyed by the induction of the 7.62 NATO Trichy to replace the smaller INSAS.
Anyway,give me your opinion in the following scenario: 2 enemy platoons blunder into each other at 400m. Both are units of proper national armies and thus equally trained though one has 5.56 mm and the other 7.62 NATO-who'll come out on top all things being equal?

Fidha254:
Contract for a new Kenya Navy Shipyard given to a Dutch company.... The shipyard will also be used to built cargo ships for the newly revived KSL- Kenya Shipping Line.

Xbee007:

WTH, his colleague standing next to him wore it right.
What is his excuse

Even his hydration pack was kept in front rather than the back where everyone keeps them. I guess he is just pushing the boundary of oddities.

kikuyu1:
Thanks,Nemesis8u and 61mech! The takeaway is tactics and specific scenarios all have a place in the firefight not just calibre.

kikuyu1:


My own info is that it will build a Sigma Frigate 10513 like the Moroccan F-613 RMNS Tarik Ben Ziad . It makes sense since the KN has been building up their blue ocean capacity slowly.

gottfried21:
China’s new Z-20 helicopter
Might’ve gotten a little inspiration from the UH-60(That’s putting it nicely)
Wouldn’t mind if my country bought a few of these tbh

nemesis8u:


I would have also gone for a appetizer - on spot quickie with the attendant just to emphasis that adrenaline rush is a real thing at slow speeds too

MiddleDimension:


you mean with the air hostess? 闷骚！

gottfried21:
China’s new Z-20 helicopter
Might’ve gotten a little inspiration from the UH-60(That’s putting it nicely)
Wouldn’t mind if my country bought a few of these tbh

Xbee007:

Is there anything the Chinese won't copy? They no get shame at all.

krattoss:
Where the fvck is our jf17 thunder jets?

Xbee007:

Is there anything the Chinese won't copy? They no get shame at all.

shadowprimezero:
Looks like another A-109 bit the dust. God these birds are shit!

shadowprimezero:
Looks like another A-109 bit the dust. God these birds are shit!

bidexiii:



Seriously you call them "poo"

jln115:
Well they're not exactly great!!

Xbee007:

Or the maintenance crew need some retraining.