kennypedia:
This op has problems with reconciling with the truth, the documentary made mention of Arabs not Muslims. Africans have mostly been subjects of labour in the history of civilization this also sharpened their skills and art.

Orpe7:
AFRICA the birth place of civilisation
Now looks like the shitty place of the entire continent because of leaders who dont know thier worth

onyedi247:
are my the only one who dosnt knw what is pyramids?

shine12:
I'm aware of this. I always shake my head when I see some black people talk down on blacks and say Africa has always been cursed. Some even go to the extent and say we were the caused race from Genesis(the curse if Ham story). Please know your history. There are books that told story of Pre-slavery Africa.
Our ancestors smelted iron, yarned cotton, traded with other states, developed art and craft of world superiority, kings comanded large militaries in Africa well before Europeans. These are things that were done in other civilizations as well.

Attached is a picture of European style castles in Ethopia. Their kings slept in castle just like the European ones did.

adecz:


All dem own na baby pyramids.

Only Pharaohs had the resources &
capacity to build the giant ones seen
in Egypt.

Just like today, we in Africa can hardly
build structures of beyond 20 to 30 storeys.

Go to developed countries, you will
routinely see 50 to 100 storey & beyond.

Rossikk:
Sudan was a major centre of African civilization in antiquity.

When Europe was a wasteland of barbarism and cave-dwelling illiteracy, Sudan (ancient Nubia) was giving the world mighty temples and pyramids built according to the highest mathematical and geometric principles and standards.

Incidentally I was watching an American TV news show the other day in which the host, Joe Scarborough, was telling his viewers that ''Arabs invented mathematics''.

A claim profoundly false and misleading, since the pyramids of Sudan - all 223 of them, were built thousands of years before the birth of Muhammed, the founder of Islam.

(Egypt's pyramids and temples of course are another example of ancient black African mathematics that preceded by thousands of years all European and Arab civilizations, but this thread is about Sudan)

Excerpt:

''Nubian pyramids are pyramids that were built by the rulers of the ancient Kushite kingdoms. The area of the Nile valley known as Nubia, which lies [in] present day Sudan, was home to three Kushite kingdoms during antiquity. The first had its capital at Kerma (2500–1500 BC). The second was centered on Napata (1000–300 BC). Finally, the last kingdom was centered on Meroë (300 BC–AD 300). They are built of granite and sandstone. The pyramids were partially demolished by [surprise surprise] Italian combat medic turned explorer and treasure hunter Giuseppe Ferlini in the 1830s''

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Queen Tiye, Nubian mother of Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaton. 1398 BC – 1338 BC







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.................Taharqa, Pharaoh of Nubia and Egypt - 690–664 BC



THE WORDS OF LADY LUGARD, Historian wife of Lord Lugard, Ist British Governor-General of Nigeria:


"When the history of Negroland comes to be written in detail, it may be found that the kingdoms lying towards the eastern end of Sudan (classical home of Ancient Africans) were the home of races who inspired, rather than of races who received, the tradition of civilization associated for us with the name of ancient Egypt.

For they cover on either side of the Upper Nile between the latitudes of ten degrees and seventeen degrees, territories in which are found monuments more ancient than the oldest Egyptian monuments. If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."

"The fame of the ancient Ethiopians (ancient Kushites) was widespread in ancient history. Herodotus described them as the most beautiful and long-lived of the human races, and before Herodotus, Homer, in even more flattering language, described them as the most just of men, the favourites of the gods. The annals of all the great early nations of Asia Minor are full of them. The Mosaic records allude to them frequently; but while they are described as the most powerful, the most just, and the most beautiful of the human race, they are constantly spoken of as Black, and there seems to be no other conclusion to be drawn than at that remote period of history, the leading race of the Western World was a Black race."

Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard, Asa G. Hilliard, III, A Tropical Dependency: An Outline of the Ancient History of the Western Sudan With an Account of the Modern Settlement of Northern Nigeria, (1900)

http://wysinger.homestead.com/blackegypt101.html

geosegun:


Liar, the Sudanese were never Arabs, they are pure blacks, like Egyptian and Ethiopians. It was Arab religious incursions (Islam) that turned them to who they are today. You can as well call Hausa and Fulani Arabs na.
You have been brain washed with religion. Your believes in God does not mean you should lose your identity.

What a shame.

Seanixking:
My Own Is, Nairaland Mod No Dey Fit Block This Bet9ja Spammers, But Will Be Masturbating On People Moniker. Abi Na Robot Dey Post The Bet9ja Shi.t



Seun Abeg Do Something, Its Annoying Jare.

Blainz:


African arabs. Just, like Ethiopian jews

ADMAF:

I was reading an article recently abt why North Africans do not like to be reffered to as Africans. The arguments can be fused into two parts
1. They are Africans because they are on the African continent which means regardless of their DNA., they must be considered Africans.
2. How can you say Arabs are Africans because they are physically on African territory. In spite of the fact that their culture,. Physical Appearance and mannerisms frankly suggests the opposite. Are u trying to deny the obvious?

Ebirra:
Sudan, Ethiopia and Egypt share the same level of civilization, back then they shared diplomatic relationship.

Blainz:


FIRST, they are blacks with negroid features living in the African continent with culture of arabs. you can't change race but can adopt culture

FreelanceRebel:


Sudanese are not arab initially, they are African, only to be subdue after Arab conquest in Africa. Europe managed to purge them out after some years in Spain and Portugal but North Africa were unable.

kennypedia:
This op has problems with reconciling with the truth, the documentary made mention of Arabs not Muslims. Africans have mostly been subjects of labour in the history of civilization this also sharpened their skills and art.

Apollux:

I never claimed that the whole of the middle east is Arabian territory. You have actually tried to deflect my claims. I think I should jst say these quickly and this was my argument with my professor.
1. Why are all claims to early civilization found in these parts, predominantly dominated by people not negroid
2. If Black Africans were so advanced, why was these early civilization not uniformly distributed (relatively) as it was in Europe and the middle--East and South-East Asia? Why is it that we had nothing like the pyramids and hieroglyphics in Western, Eastern and Southern African, all the symbols of civilization we so covet?
3. Why is it that these great accomplishments couldn't be replicated in our part of Africa despite sharing ties?
Could it be because we really aren't as related as we think?

whytediamond:
... "If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."

Words of Lady Lugard.

The whites will never let the world know the true history of the black race. So much talent and creativity. My question till this day is, where did it all start to go wrong?

Onelaw:
Of course Sudan is Nubia and it was the ancient capital Of the world for Afriicans who lived all over the Earth

9jaArea:
Egyptian pyramids are more popular.

Tianamen1:



Education

In ancient times the wise ruled over the unwise and the children of the wise were trained formally to take up leadership from their parents. Wise parents usually picked the wisest children to take up leadership.

In the present day, western nations have prioritized academic excellence as a means of advancement. In America, schools are divided into Ivey league and all others. In england, most leaders are also picked from prestigious schools and have great academic achievements.

In Africa, the black man still struggles to understand the benefits of education. The average person assumes education is a means to escape poverty so this has led to a situation where every person requires some form of certificate to survive the hardships of life. (This is not the case in the developed world). To enable people to get a certificate, standards were brought down so that the dull can also get a certificate.


With so many certificate holders, the only means of advancement is man know man, thus leading to horrendous leadership in all spheres of national development. A cycle of dull leaders has created a cycle of dull followers so it is now difficult to distinguish between wisdom and foolishness.

We must get our basic education system to work. Every citizen whether rich or poor must be given the same quality of basic education to create a level playing ground and ensure our hidden gems are discovered. Merit must be the order of the day.

We must raise standards for admission into universities. We must stand of merit in all aspects of advancement in national life.

We must raise the standard of living amongst artisans and non certificate holders as every citizen deserves a high quality of life whether educated or not. This can simply be achieved by providing quality education and healthcare to all Nigerians. Money from oil and taxes should be focused on these. It is certainly not rocket science.

If the artisan's most costly needs are met by the government, more people will be willing to become artisans. A high supply of artisans would lead to competition which will invariably lead to more specialization. Specialization would lead to mergers and acquisitions, which will enable craftsmen to establish new markets creating more jobs and grow the economy. This is how multinational corporations start out.

Finally, focus on education should not just cover mathematics, English and other subjects, but also the Arts like music, sports, acting, and other creative arts.
Leaders should be chosen from the elites from various fields.

Hope I have answered your question.

PS
Notice I did not mention electricity, roads and other infrastructure. Like seeking the face of God, if a nation seeks education and merit, every other aspect of national development shall be added unto the nation.

caye:

NORMALLY, I TRY NOT TO ANSWER FOOLS BUT ONLY THOSE WILLING TO LEARN
1. The whole of Africa most esp. N.Africa had always been dominated and occupied by black people.
2. Nubia & Egypt were founded, ruled and made glorious by black people as founders
3. During this period, the European was still a savage
4. To become civilised, Greek scholars had to travel to Egypt to learn from black Africans : medicine- Hippocrates learning from the priests of Imhotep ( the father of ancient medicine; a full Blackman); Pythagoras learning his ' stolen 'theorem from Nubian and Egyptian builders and mathematicians, the Christian cross gotten from the Egyptian Ankh- the religion of ancient Egypt and Nubia
5. With time, due to the 'mental disease' of the black man - self hatred/ self sabotage, we lost our glory
6. Greek invasion, Roman invasion and finally the Arab invasion
7. In the Sudan, the Arabs mated with black women giving rise to the half- caste Africans called Sudanese ( look at Barak Obama and Jerry Rawlings skins)
8. To entrench their genes, sytematic slavery and subjugation of the black skin was invented. No one wants to lose his genes as the black gene is biologically more dominant and expressive than white/ Arab genes.
9. The religion of the Arabs and the later-
invented Christian religion of the Romans have been systematically proven efficient in keeping the African in a spiritual and mental wilderness ( remember the burning of the library of Alexandra( African name removed by the Greek king Alexander); where the wisdom of black Africans painfully gathered over thousands of years was destroyed in a very short period by the new fanatical state religion of Christianity plunging Africans in spiritual darkness
9. You are not a descendant of slaves but of Kings who brought light to the world. STOP BELIEVING (unconsciously) THAT YOU WERE MEANT TO SERVE THE WHITE/ARAB RACE.
may Olodumare open your eyes, amin

Oricha79:
Tao adayi

ADMAF:

I guess negroid features are subjective then, and curly hair, fairer complexion (ubiquitous among Arabs) and so on were also were also adopted. Smewea in r inner recess, u knw they are nt ngroids.

ADMAF:

First of all, the coptics -(who are Xtians majorly) and have been found to have undiluted DNA from Egyptian Pharaoh time aren't black AT ALL.
Must everytn be abt religion to you? This is pure scholarship Oga. I'm xtian btw
Secondly,
The Sudanese are predominantly Nubian Arabs, sir. There are Negroids and ad-mixtures as well cos obviously they are in close proximity to Sub-Saharan Africa. The part that's really black is the South which has seceded bt has always been discriminated against, anyway. However, the pyramids were made by Nubians and they are located in their territory, the Republic of Sudan n nt South Sudan.

kaen1317:
Then why is not known. Never knew Sudan had pyramids if not for now. Maybe its not the original pyramids. These ones look like they were imported from China