Amujale:



Those are unfounded Eurocentric rhetoric, untrue.

Africa predates summeria in years that amount to hundred of thousands.

Summeria rose up when Ancient Egypt was at the heights of its development; Ancient Egypt was created by fellow Africans from regions on the continent that already been in existence for thousands upon thousands of years. I.e Nigeria, Ghana, Chad, Niger, Benin Republic, Mali, Ethiopia, Sudan, Sommalia e.t.c

The oldest form of writting is that of an African community.

Africa owns the first verbal language and written text.

musicwriter:


Thanks for that bro, but the maths of geometry is what was used in constructing the pyramids at Gizah thousands of years before Pythagoras was born.

Pythagoras himself studied geometry here in Africa. Pythagoras, Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, were all students in Africa. There were no other school any place in the world at that time where anybody would have gotten educated at that time.

In the book, the Kybalion, the author (a white man) states ''Egypt, the home of the Pyramids and the Sphinx, was the birthplace of the Hidden Wisdom and Mystic Teachings. From her Secret Doctrine all nations have borrowed. India, Persia, Chaldea, Medea, China, Japan, Assyria, ancient Greece and Rome, and other ancient countries partook liberally at the feast of knowledge which the Hierophants and Masters of the Land of Isis so freely provided for those who came prepared to partake of the great store of Mystic and Occult Lore which the masterminds of that ancient land had gathered together.

In ancient Egypt dwelt the great Adepts and Masters who have never been surpassed, and who seldom have been equaled, during the centuries that have taken their processional flight since the days of the Great Hermes. In Egypt was located the Great Lodge of Lodges of the Mystics. At the doors of her Temples entered the Neophytes who afterward, as Hierophants, Adepts, and Masters, traveled to the four corners of the earth, carrying with them the precious knowledge which they were ready, anxious, and willing to pass on to those who were ready to receive the same''

Note that in those ancient time, knowledge like mathematics was considered mysticism. Pythagoras himself went back to Europe after his education and continued to teach it as mysticism...

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OGOg:

U really need to read wide with an unbiased mind.
The earliest civilization is Mesopotamia (Sumerian)
The 22000 year old Sumerian text is a testament to that.
Gobeklii tepe in Turkey is another old pre-flood civilization.
The information given to u above are documented facts and verifiable

Apollux:

See I'm an African and my sympathy will definitely want to sway to that but facts remained facts. Now civilization is different from human ancestry or where human developed from. It is different from earliest settlements. Though civilization does grow out of settlement but before a settlement can be called a civilization several things must be there. One food, building of monument and cities, having a civil governance with a standing army or military force. Now with these in mind, civilization started in three parts of the world almost at the same time between 3500 bc to 2500 bc. These places are the Indus River basin area, the Nile Valley and the fertile crescent of the euphrates and Tigris. Among these three, Euphrates is the oldest around 3200bc,while that of Egypt was around 3100bc. That of the Indus River was further down 2500 bc. There were other civilization that grew independently from these like the Aztecs and Mayans but they were much later. All other civilizations came from these.
The sumerians led to the babylonians, Akkadians assyrians, Persians. While the Egyptians lead to that of Sudan or vise versa, nothing is so sure at these point.

musicwriter:


Human civilization did not begin in Summer. All the sciences says that human civilization began in Africa. If you could find 22,000 years old anything in ancient Summer, you could find a 13 million years old Lucy skeleton in Africa.

Apollux:

See I'm an African and my sympathy will definitely want to sway to that but facts remained facts. Now civilization is different from human ancestry or where human developed from. It is different from earliest settlements. Though civilization does grow out of settlement but before a settlement can be called a civilization several things must be there. One food, building of monument and cities, having a civil governance with a standing army or military force. Now with these in mind, civilization started in three parts of the world almost at the same time between 3500 bc to 2500 bc. These places are the Indus River basin area, the Nile Valley and the fertile crescent of the euphrates and Tigris. Among these three, Euphrates is the oldest around 3200bc,while that of Egypt was around 3100bc. That of the Indus River was further down 2500 bc. There were other civilization that grew independently from these like the Aztecs and Mayans but they were much later. All other civilizations came from these.
The sumerians led to the babylonians, Akkadians assyrians, Persians. While the Egyptians lead to that of Sudan or vise versa, nothing is so sure at these point.

OGOg:

No sir
The Sumerian civilization predates the flood, most believe that the book of genesis was actually adapted from Sumerian documentation.
The cuneiform Sumerian texts u quoted has been dated to about 22000 b.c , even the Egyptian civilization predates the flood as evidenced by the water weathering on the sphinx in Giza demonstrating clearly that it was there during the flood, when it was exposed to heavy rain.
Gobeklii tepe, estimated to be a pre-flood monument has reliefs of extinct pre-flood caving on stones.
These are also verifiable

musicwriter:


Because of slavery/ colonialism/ intellectual slavery. If interested, I can send you 3 books that after reading them you'll no longer be surprised.

musicwriter:


Because of slavery/ colonialism/ intellectual slavery. If interested, I can send you 3 books that after reading them you'll no longer be surprised.

Apollux:


Sorry sir but it's not slavery that brought African civilizations down, it was conquest. Old Egyptian kingdom got conquered by Babylon which was in turn conquered by the Persians. They were conquered by the Europeans, Greeks and Romans. Later on the Persians got back up and fought the eastern arm of the Roman empire to a stand still. The two empires were so exhausted from the constant wars that when the rag tag Mohammedan Arabs came they easily conquered Persia and some of Europe. Then the Mongols too came along conquering same as the Turks.
The truth is that the history of civilization is a history of conquest. When the Europeans came to Africa, they came with superior technology, which shows that their civilization had outgrown ours over the years. Though there were few skirmishes and wars between us and them, they won because they had guns and we don't. Slavery was the result of the victory tbey gained over us.
Besides we credit the Europeans with the invention of guns but it was actually the Chinese that invented gun powder first, as far back as 1000bc. Do you know that Africa already had papyrus, a kind of paper made from the reeds of the red sea and Nile thousands of years before before Europeans. The Chinese already had rice paper before Europeans.
The truth is if any civilization stays static, it gets outdated soon enough by more advancing and aggressive ones. African civilizations lost to others because we remained old and didn't advance not because of slavery. We should stop blaming slavery for our backwardness.

Amujale:


Forget Eurocentric rhetoric, the main point is that Ancient Egypt predates Sumeria; the mainland predates Ancient Egypt.

Hence, there are numerous civilisations that occurs in Africa prior to the creation of either Ancient Egypt or Summeria.

Apollux:


See I'm not saying Africa did not have an an old civilization, Africa did. It had one of the oldest and flourishing civilization. But sumer predates it.

Apollux:

See I'm not saying Africa did not have an an old civilization, Africa did. It had one of the oldest and flourishing civilization..

Apollux:


Sorry sir but it's not slavery that brought African civilizations down, it was conquest. Old Egyptian kingdom got conquered by Babylon which was in turn conquered by the Persians. They were conquered by the Europeans, Greeks and Romans. Later on the Persians got back up and fought the eastern arm of the Roman empire to a stand still. The two empires were so exhausted from the constant wars that when the rag tag Mohammedan Arabs came they easily conquered Persia and some of Europe. Then the Mongols too came along conquering same as the Turks.
The truth is that the history of civilization is a history of conquest. When the Europeans came to Africa, they came with superior technology, which shows that their civilization had outgrown ours over the years. Though there were few skirmishes and wars between us and them, they won because they had guns and we don't. Slavery was the result of the victory tbey gained over us.
Besides we credit the Europeans with the invention of guns but it was actually the Chinese that invented gun powder first, as far back as 1000bc. Do you know that Africa already had papyrus, a kind of paper made from the reeds of the red sea and Nile thousands of years before before Europeans. The Chinese already had rice paper before Europeans.
The truth is if any civilization stays static, it gets outdated soon enough by more advancing and aggressive ones. African civilizations lost to others because we remained old and didn't advance not because of slavery. We should stop blaming slavery for our backwardness.

Amujale:


Eventhough i agree with you that Ancient Egypt brought down African civilisation, the combination of the stupendous betrayal of the Ancient Egyptians coupled with the horrors of the Trans Atlantic began a slipery slope towards realising the true African Identity. They are both the cause.

Alkanoicacid:
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Apollux:

Slavery in Africa is a relatively recent thing. The transatlantic slave trade is less than 500 years ago, while the Arabian Sahara slave trade is less than 1500 years ago. When we talk about African civilization, we are talking about events of more than 6000 years old.
African civilization was not as powerful as it once was when the Arabs and Europeans came in contact with us for the slave trade.
Okey lets take the 1st Italian Ethiopian war for instance. Though Ethiopia wan the war, but they fought with over a hundred thousand solders as against the Italians that fought with just few tens of thousands. The 2nd war between then saw the Italians completely over coming the Ethiopians because of more advanced military weapons. Like I said African civilization fell because other civilizations advanced, grew, invented superior military weapons...

whytediamond:
... "If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."

Words of Lady Lugard.

The whites will never let the world know the true history of the black race. So much talent and creativity. My question till this day is, where did it all start to go wrong?

Apollux:

Slavery in Africa is a relatively recent thing. The transatlantic slave trade is less than 500 years ago, while the Arabian Sahara slave trade is less than 1500 years ago. When we talk about African civilization, we are talking about events of more than 6000 years old.
African civilization was not as powerful as it once was when the Arabs and Europeans came in contact with us for the slave trade.
Okey lets take the 1st Italian Ethiopian war for instance. Though Ethiopia wan the war, but they fought with over a hundred thousand solders as against the Italians that fought with just few tens of thousands. The 2nd war between then saw the Italians completely over coming the Ethiopians because of more advanced military weapons. Like I said African civilization fell because other civilizations advanced, grew, invented superior military weapons and conquered us.

Amujale:



I agree with your analysis here, but all because of Africs's Ancient Egypt being in the hands of foreigners. i.e Asia and Europe.

If Ancient Egypt didnt sell-out, they (the foreigners) wouldnt have been able to develop superior military weponry as quick and as reliable as the Ancient Egyptian technology allows. And more importantly, Africans would have had assess to their own technologies managed by Ancient Egypt.

Furthernore, the horrors of the Trans Atlatic is equally HUGE factor no doubt.


What happened in Ancient Egypt was Criminal and the Ancient Egyptians themselves are to share blame for their utter lack of judgement.

Apollux:

Trust me the transatlantic wasn't as bad as the transsahara slave trade. The transatlantic didn't last up to 200 years, the transsahara lasted more than a thousand years. See the transatlantic trade had surviors and their descendants, who are the African-Americans of today. The transsahara slaves didn't have surviors. The male where castrated so they couldn't have children. The women were sex slaves. So u hardly hear of people that were the descendants of the transatlantic slave trade
But BTW how did Egypt betray African civilization.

xreal:
More than Egypt?

Apollux:


But BTW how did Egypt betray African civilization.

ADMAF:

First of all, the coptics -(who are Xtians majorly) and have been found to have undiluted DNA from Egyptian Pharaoh time aren't black AT ALL.
Must everytn be abt religion to you? This is pure scholarship Oga. I'm xtian btw
Secondly,
The Sudanese are predominantly Nubian Arabs, sir. There are Negroids and ad-mixtures as well cos obviously they are in close proximity to Sub-Saharan Africa. The part that's really black is the South which has seceded bt has always been discriminated against, anyway. However, the pyramids were made by Nubians and they are located in their territory, the Republic of Sudan n nt South Sudan.

caye:

NORMALLY, I TRY NOT TO ANSWER FOOLS BUT ONLY THOSE WILLING TO LEARN
1. The whole of Africa most esp. N.Africa had always been dominated and occupied by black people.
2. Nubia & Egypt were founded, ruled and made glorious by black people as founders
3. During this period, the European was still a savage
4. To become civilised, Greek scholars had to travel to Egypt to learn from black Africans : medicine- Hippocrates learning from the priests of Imhotep ( the father of ancient medicine; a full Blackman); Pythagoras learning his ' stolen 'theorem from Nubian and Egyptian builders and mathematicians, the Christian cross gotten from the Egyptian Ankh- the religion of ancient Egypt and Nubia
5. With time, due to the 'mental disease' of the black man - self hatred/ self sabotage, we lost our glory
6. Greek invasion, Roman invasion and finally the Arab invasion
7. In the Sudan, the Arabs mated with black women giving rise to the half- caste Africans called Sudanese ( look at Barak Obama and Jerry Rawlings skins)
8. To entrench their genes, sytematic slavery and subjugation of the black skin was invented. No one wants to lose his genes as the black gene is biologically more dominant and expressive than white/ Arab genes.
9. The religion of the Arabs and the later-
invented Christian religion of the Romans have been systematically proven efficient in keeping the African in a spiritual and mental wilderness ( remember the burning of the library of Alexandra( African name removed by the Greek king Alexander); where the wisdom of black Africans painfully gathered over thousands of years was destroyed in a very short period by the new fanatical state religion of Christianity plunging Africans in spiritual darkness
9. You are not a descendant of slaves but of Kings who brought light to the world. STOP BELIEVING (unconsciously) THAT YOU WERE MEANT TO SERVE THE WHITE/ARAB RACE.
may Olodumare open your eyes, amin

kay29000:


That has always been my question. If we were so civilized and advanced, why are we now so backward?

Rossikk:

This is a Real case of fact is subjective. I guess I have concentrated too much on European perspective to history. I must admit I'm wrong. I just read an article on national geographic https://www.nationalgeographic.org/media/kingdoms-kush/ that completely proves you right. It reads
"Nubian civilizations was historically ignored and even denied until relatively recently. In the early 20th century, American and European archaeologists dismissed evidence that indigenous Africans developed Nubia’s complex culture and stunning architecture, instead attributing these features to Egypt and an unknown “light-skinned race.”
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TAO11:


Please tell me more about this image of Shango here. Is this statue in Sudan?

Cos I recently read a work by the great historian and anthropologist Cheikh Anta Diop viz. "The African Origin of Civilization" wherein he cited Pédrals' reference to Morié that Shango once ruled the Nubians, the Kush kingdom to be precise.

This testimony by Morié is said by Pédrals to have been found in a Coptic text translated from the Arabic and published (actually outside of Africa) in Paris, France, in the year 1666.

Cheikh Anta Diop's reference to Pédrals on the subject is as follows:

"As Morié puts it, this Obba-Kouso was born at Ife, a locality which our author is completely unacquainted."

It interestingly continues to state that:

"Chango-Obba-Kouso's brothers are Dada, god of nature, and Ogoun, god of hunters and black smiths. He has three wives: Oya, Osoun, and Oba."

It further continues to call him as:

"King of Kush"

[Pédrals, pp. 30-31]

It is important to mention that Cheikh Anta Diop, just as Pédrals, emphasized that Morié himself has absolutely no idea where Ife (the city whose name he takes from the Coptic text) is.

Also, the parallel between the two titles:

"Obba-Kouso" and "King of Kush" is amazingly very striking.

Indeed, the Yorubas obviously have this phrase "King of Kush" among their epithets of Shango for centuries without even realizing it, yet speculating different hypothetical meanings for it. Thanks to the ancient Arabic text of the Copts.