Yonce:



A monster? Yes.
A formidable warrior and master planner in his youth? Definitely.
Tywin is a legend. . .he rebuilt the Lannister name.
The only wrong he did I can't forgive was how he treated Tyrion.

Yonce:



A monster? Yes.
A formidable warrior and master planner in his youth? Definitely.
Tywin is a legend. . .he rebuilt the Lannister name.
The only wrong he did I can't forgive was how he treated Tyrion.

vincixpresso:


There is a difference between a wight and a white walker. The magic was against white walkers

kay9:


Jon Snow? Not me. Jon Snow inspires loyalty, no doubt, but so did Robb Stark - even grandfathers seasoned in war and lordship followed the Young Wolf. And what did he do? Let his honour and emotions take over his head. Exactly same as Jon Snow.

I will rather have a mixture of Tywin Lannister and Ned Stark. At least Ned's only weakness was his honour, he never let his emotions overrule his reasoning.

SwagPower:
Of the different characters on GOT...

Mention 3 pple n choose wich u will fvck,friend or flay!...

kay9:


Jon Snow? Not me. Jon Snow inspires loyalty, no doubt, but so did Robb Stark - even grandfathers seasoned in war and lordship followed the Young Wolf. And what did he do? Let his honour and emotions take over his head. Exactly same as Jon Snow.

I will rather have a mixture of Tywin Lannister and Ned Stark. At least Ned's only weakness was his honour, he never let his emotions overrule his reasoning.

Funaki:
you guys call honor and loyalty a weakness? what has this world turned into?

Isomerizm:
Honour isn't a weakness. Ned's kind of honour is.

kay9:


Someone finally sees what I mean. Respect, sister.

Guys, listen: Come the story, comes the man. Yes, I do not deny that Jon Snow is the best to follow with comic of the Night King. But if we are talking "rulership", not even Ned Stark holds a candle to the great Tywin.

Funaki:
you guys call honor and loyalty a weakness? what has this world turned into?

raumdeuter:


There is nothing admirable about Tywin, rather a hypocrite, He blasted Tyrion for whoremonging and desecrating the palace with whores, and the first chance he got was to take the same LovePeddler for himself.
He was there watching the Joffrey misrule and did nothing about it, He was watching how Joffrey treated the Starks and said nothing
He knew Tyrion did not kill Joffrey but went ahead to try and sentence him. Tyrion was the one who saved Kings Landing from Stannis but Tywin took the glory.

LeSulk:


Lord Tywin kept Joffery in check. Or where you expecting him to murder that mad boy? Tyrion failed to do that when Tywin made him acting Hand.

He saw Joffery's death as a pretext to get rid of Tyrion. Even Cersei knew the truth, but the opportunity was to good to pass up.

About the glory hunting part, no. The Lannisters would still have lost if Tywin and the Tyrells didn't come to the rescue. Remember when Cersei tried to kill Tommen and herself when she thought they lost?
True, Tyrion helped but so did Tywin and the Tyrells.

raumdeuter:


How much in check did he keep Joffrey? Did that stop Joffrey from humiliating Sansa and Tyrion in his presence? When Joffrey was running wild on his name day, was Tywin not just looking on?
He was there while Joffrey turned Tyrion a Lannister into his plaything at his nameday celebration, brought out a crew of dwarfs to mock his uncle, ordered Tyrion to wear costumes and join them, told Tyrion to become his wine carrier, even when Tyrion wanted to leave, he told him to stay. What was the head of the Lannister family doing? Sitting there watching as his own son was getting humiliated, Olenna and every adult there expected Tywin to act but he didn't, Majorie the queen tried to distract by cutting cake.
Then to sentence his own son to death for a crime he did not commit.

When the mountain was sacking villages and raiding them before they came to report to Ned, what was Tywin doing? Turning the blind eye.
Let us not forget Tywin ordering the Mountain to kill and slice into half Elia Martell

That battle Tyrion was the most important man, If Tyrion did not act, Stannis wll sack the city before Tywin came to take the glory

Endy10:


You mean there are different kinds of honour?

raumdeuter:


How much in check did he keep Joffrey? Did that stop Joffrey from humiliating Sansa and Tyrion in his presence? When Joffrey was running wild on his name day, was Tywin not just looking on?

He was there while Joffrey turned Tyrion a Lannister into his plaything at his nameday celebration, brought out a crew of dwarfs to mock his uncle, ordered Tyrion to wear costumes and join them, told Tyrion to become his wine carrier, even when Tyrion wanted to leave, he told him to stay. What was the head of the Lannister family doing? Sitting there watching as his own son was getting humiliated, Olenna and every adult there expected Tywin to act but he didn't, Majorie the queen tried to distract by cutting cake.
Then to sentence his own son to death for a crime he did not commit and he knew as well


When the mountain was sacking villages and raiding them before they came to report to Ned, what was Tywin doing? Turning the blind eye.
Let us not forget Tywin ordering the Mountain to kill and slice into half Elia Martell

That battle Tyrion was the most important man, If Tyrion did not act, Stannis wll sack the city before Tywin came to take the glory

So what was actually admirable about Tywin? Who watched tyranny of Joffrey and did nothing, Sentenced his own son to death for an offence he knew nothing about, hijacked his sons LovePeddler, the same thing he condemned him for, ordered the assassination of Elia Martel

raumdeuter:
Ned with his honour was naive,
He found out about the Lannisters incest and acted impulsively to blow the whistle and expel them. A family that is the richest believed to be the richest with many loyalists
Baelish told him that this is the Capital and we are all liars here. Instead of him to relax and plan his strategy properly, he went fully to declare war and lost his head

Robb was naive and foolish, the most foolish man in the show. The Lannisters were killing his family but he couldn't touch the Lannisters. He even beheaded Karstark for striking 2 Lannister boys. Robb also reneged on a promise to marry Frey's daughter.
He deserved to die

There is nothing admirable about Tywin, rather a hypocrite, He blasted Tyrion for whoremonging and desecrating the palace with whores, and the first chance he got was to take the same LovePeddler for himself.
He was there watching the Joffrey misrule and did nothing about it, He was watching how Joffrey treated the Starks and said nothing
He knew Tyrion did not kill Joffrey but went ahead to try and sentence him. Tyrion was the one who saved Kings Landing from Stannis but Tywin took the glory
He was able to strategize his family into power because many of the other family leaders were not interested. Ned was never interested in ruling, Robert Baratheon though king will rather be elsewhere fvcking, hunting pigs and drinking wine, Balon Greyjoy was content in his island, Lady Arryn wanted to be left alone after her husband died

Funaki:


Tywin, a big hypocrite is better than Jon Snow, a loyal and honorable man

Magnifico2000:

I salute your intelligence. But I feel you can also look at it from another perspective.
Jon snow may decide to pardon the deserter as he is also a deserter from the nightswatch.
He might want to ask him the reasons for deserting if it is genuine.

echibuogwu:
wildlings has always been one of the major reasons why the wall was built along side white walkers and the undead, but most people considered the story of the white walkers as rumor and moonlight tales until now.

Eberex:


That's creepy! Is john not supposed to know that? Didn't he watch the night king raise dead people back to life during their last fight? Yeah I forgot, John snow knows nothing

Isomerizm:
How was Tywin a hypocrite?

Funaki:


He once told his son that “when soldiers lack discipline, the fault lies with their lord commander” . But when his men went wayward and raping women about, he blamed the death and rape of Rhaegar’s wife and children on everyone but himself

Ordered the specific execution of Rhaegar’s children;
Orders the murder of two babies at the hands of two brutes but has the nerve to act shocked by the manner in which it was done. He tries to act like their mother, Elia never even crossed his mind- crown princess, a princess of Dorne- like she wouldn't obviously BE WITH her infant children in the place they were held hostage. Balks at the notion of ordering her rape... to the son whose lover he had raped by half his guardsmen, before making him rape her himself (this part wasnt in the show).

He orchestrated the red wedding and at the end tried to blame Frey and excuse himself from it.

This was the conversation between him and Tyrion.

“Was it a soft silk pillow that slew Robb Stark?”
“It was to be an arrow, at Edmure Tully’s wedding feast. The boy was too wary in the field. He kept his men in good order, and surrounded himself with outriders and bodyguards.”
“So Lord Walder slew him under his own roof, at his own table?” Tyrion made a fist. “What of Lady Catelyn?”
“Slain as well, I’d say. A pair of wolfskins. Frey had intended to keep her captive, but perhaps something went awry.”
“So much for guest right.”
“The blood is on Walder Frey’s hands, not mine.”

The guy blamed everyone else but himself. That's hypocrisy.

Gbola5:


That's the only wrong ?
All his strategic brilliance can't make up for being killed by his own son while sitting on a privy.

Yonce:



A monster? Yes.
A formidable warrior and master planner in his youth? Definitely.
Tywin is a legend. . .he rebuilt the Lannister name.
The only wrong he did I can't forgive was how he treated Tyrion.

LeSulk:

You're basically butressing what I've said before. Tywin didn't care about Tyrion so Joffery taunting him does not count as much. If that was Jaime or Lord Kevan's son it would have been different.

Can you name one excess from Joffery that happened after Tywin came to KL that does not involve Tyrion?
In case you didn't notice, nobody likes Tyrion. Not the the elites, not the masses. Some feel pity but nobody likes him. So I don't know who you expected to interfere. Proof? Remember that "Demon Monkey" speech in the streets or that Braavosi play Arya witnessed. It's we fans that like him(I should be like number one on that list).

About the death of Elia Martell and her kids, Tywin did the necessary evil. He underestimated the brutality of the Mountain (I think he admitted that)

About pillaging the Riverlands, that was solely on Catelyn's head. How do you hold Tyrion prisoner without proof? But yeah, Tywin took things too far.

raumdeuter:


What was necessary about the killing of Elia Martell?