trustbaba:

Ok.. Jon snow dieing and coming back again is not also an indication abi I don't know why people like u talk pooo... No body is saying that she should give up the throne. Even the legitimate heir says he doesn't want.
Dany story doesn't stop u from helping people, ?it only teaches that when something doesn't belong to u then it doesn't no matter how hard you try.

trustbaba:

If I was in dannys shoes,I will be happy that I am not the last of my kind, I have someone I finally care about and will work together with him to take the iron throne and not, hiding his identity and want the throne for my self
She even called it her destiny Even knowing she is not the legitimate heir to the throne.
You will never know a character well, until he or she taste power... She is selfish admit it... There is nothing relatable about the truth..

DP84:
While the recent episode taught me a huge lesson about sticking my neck out for people, this very thread has taught me a greater lesson that humans are not deserving of help.

Dany is presently running at a huge loss. In the space of a little time, she has lost a whole lot. A hoarde of Dothraki, over half of his unsullied soldiers, if she didn't venture into the North, Viserion wouldn't have been speared from the sky. Although we weren't told what would have happened to humanity if Bran had been killed by the NK but what I do know is that the the entire North would have been leveled in an instant the NK went beyond the wall had Dany not sacrificed to be there.

She could have easily taken the Iron Throne but suspended the idea to fight with the North. Jon Snow would have known he was a Targaryen before the arrival of the Night King but he would have perished and we wouldn't be having this back and forth over Dany being selfish.

Perhaps people don't understand that Dany believes she is sent by some whatever to be the liberator of the people. The walk through fire reinforced that belief, not just within her but those who witnessed it.

I don't want to concern myself with who gets the Throne for now but should Dany turn out to be a Mad Queen then I say so be it! Most humans would break and cave in if the things happening to her were to happen to them in reality.

Those who would be able to relate to what Dany is passing through right are those who have stuck out their necks for people and got burnt terribly in the end. You'll never understand her if you don't picture yourself in her shoes.

She is obsessed about the Throne, no doubt. She has lost soldiers, and trusted friends because of her kind act. Asking her to forget the Throne is similar to saying one should give one's dream for whatever reasons there are.

IamD18:

You made a very good point bruv, but sadly, it doesn't change the fact that she's selfish(entirely or not entirely).

You last line; Selfish people are ready to sacrifice whatever it takes, so long as they are hoping to gain.

xxix:


Everyone is a little selfish you can't condemn someone for pursuing their dreams.

IamD18:

Good! Now you are making better point.

She did all she has done because she want to achieve her dreams, not because she gave a fvck about the living by fighting with the North.

And please, do well to understand that many characters in that movie are also pursuing their dreams, including Cersei and Lordvarys.

Even "The Mountain"

Magnifico2000:

Yes. Lol. At one point or the other, they broke their vows. Remember when Maseter Aemon said "if we beheaded everyone that broke his vow, the nightswatch will be full of headless people.

trustbaba:
did Jon tell u that he wants the throne...... And oga he is the righful heir ... Their is no shitie thing u can do about it.... He has a very strong claim...... Even Dany knows that Jon don't want it but people love Jon and they prefer him to her because he is just and true to his word..... Why did u think Dany wanted to take the iron throne imediately.... See noticed that people like tormond will not keep quiet if Jon did not remain a king.... If she becomes the queen then everything about Jons claim will die down

xxix:


The zombie mountain? What dream could that idiot be pursuing?

Danny's dream is not just to put her buttocks on the iron throne, she wants to break the wheel and end bad monarchy.

She actually cares about the people as we have seen in mereen. Saying that she doesn't care about the living is just bullocks. If everyone died, who then would she rule?

You see that's something cersie doesn't understand, see they way she manipulated the people of Kingslanding into it coming to the red keep so to use them as human shields, that's someone who holds power for selfish reasons.

IamD18:

If you calm down, you'll get to understand that we are almost saying the same thing.

I'm not even disputing these your facts, they are all true, but you lots seems not to get my point herein.

>Danny is selfish--Fact!
>It will be abnormal for Sansa to trust Danny. A queen, her brother, a king, bent the knee for, despite knowing what her father, the mad king, did to Ned's father. You just don't expect Sansa to trust her immediately---Fact!
>Danny did not fight for the North, she fought WITH them to save the LIVING(Herself inclusive)--Fact!
>95% of Sansa haters hates her because she's not getting along with Danny. Nothing else.
>Danny is not a smart politician, smart politicians don't love, because you can't love and be wise at the same time, and when you start lacking the wisdom, you'll start loosing the political game.
>And lastly, whatever it is Danny gave and lost in that fight, she did it for the throne. Period!

LeSulk:


It's remarkable how you turn personal opinion to 'facts'. Keep it up.

Btw, if Dany was selfish as you claim, or even loves the Throne more than she loves Jon, she would have made an attempt on his life by now. Dany also has no reason to like the Starks as well. They conspired with the Lannisters and the Baratheons to end her family.

IamD18:

Personal opinion? Lol, highlight what I typed there that isn't the fact. I dare you

Made an attempt on Jon Snow's life? You mustn't kill to show your selfishness. She, asking Jon not to tell anyone that he's a Targaryen is a enough to prove me right.

Bruv, in politics, there's no permanent enemy, you can work with anyone to achieve a particular political goal. E.g Danny agreed to fight with the North because she needed their support.

What is confusing here?

Aystarz:



And the 'Gendry Rivers' mistake? They probably forgot he was a 'Waters' too.

oyetpel:

Lol, don't look for loophole when there is none.
Rivers is the bastard name they want him to bear on the show.
lol.
At least Rivers is the same as Waters.

IamD18:

If you calm down, you'll get to understand that we are almost saying the same thing.

I'm not even disputing these your facts, they are all true, but you lots seems not to get my point herein.

>Danny is selfish--Fact!
>It will be abnormal for Sansa to trust Danny. A queen, her brother, a king, bent the knee for, despite knowing what her father, the mad king, did to Ned's father. You just don't expect Sansa to trust her immediately---Fact!
>Danny did not fight for the North, she fought WITH them to save the LIVING(Herself inclusive)--Fact!
>95% of Sansa haters hates her because she's not getting along with Danny. Nothing else.
>Danny is not a smart politician, smart politicians don't love, because you can't love and be wise at the same time, and when you start lacking the wisdom, you'll start loosing the political game.
>And lastly, whatever it is, you feel, Danny gave and lost in that fight, she did it for the throne, not for the people. Period!

If there's a ruler therein who can sacrifice a position or anything for the people, it's nobody but Jon Snow.

LeSulk:


It's remarkable how you turn personal opinion to 'facts'. Keep it up.

Btw, if Dany was selfish as you claim, or even loves the Throne more than she loves Jon, she would have made an attempt on his life by now. Dany also has no reason to like the Starks as well. They conspired with the Lannisters and the Baratheons to end her family.

meforkene:


It's your personal opinion.
You said 95% of Sansa haters exist because she doesn't trust Dany? Come on don't say that.

Do you deny the fact that Sansa's character development and smartness is actually forced on all of us?

Sansa should be another word for selfish...girl submerged into the crypts...confirmed to all in there how useless they were....came out and was still bitter about Dany bearing in mind how useless her Winterfell and Northern fighters were in that battle.

Same Sansa trusts that Dany and Co would conquer Cersei as she confirmed to Jamie.

Now remember the directors spent 7 seasons to build Dany...ever on progressive massive growth then come run her down in just 1 episode. (this one is just to cage a dog, poke it, belittle it and then release it to go mad....then give it a bad name and kill it maybe).

Meanwhile, I wouldn't be surprised if Sansa the a**hole sits on the throne by cosmic accident. I'm ready.

Dany is always BAE (Best Aunt Ever).

Seun:
My Battle Advice For Dany:

1) To protect herself from arrows, she needs to wear metal armour. Drogon is strong enough that the weight won't be an issue.

2) To avoid falling from the dragon, she should be strapped to it, with a comfortable mount like the ones ancient Targaryens used.

3) She should carry a crossbow and a few arrows so she can defend herself for a while if forcibly dismounted. Or ride with a fighter.

4) She should start by destroying military targets at night. Euron's fleet, the scorpions, soldiers manning the walls, the golden company, etc.

5) She should drop propaganda materials informing citizens about Cersei's atrocities and urging them to rebel, with food, into the Red Keep.

6) Wait for Arya, Jaime, and the citizens of King's Landing to kill or capture Cersei, as she continues the harassment of military targets.

7) After severely damaging or destroying all of Cersei's military forces, if Cersei is still in power, Dany's army can take the city easily.

A dragon can strike targets very precisely while doing lots of damage. The scorpions are stationary and made of wood. Advantage: Dany.

The above is simplistic and clearly incomplete; it's just meant to show that Kings Landing can be taken without killing civilians indiscriminately.

NB: No Dothrakis should be allowed into King's Landing.

IamD18:

Why do you hate Sansa?

meforkene:


Did i mention i hate Sansa?

xxix:


Jon's identity threatens to stand in the way of the one thing she had wanted all her life. The moment she learnt about it, her insecurities crept it. Everyone in the north gave her every reason to be worried about her claim. She knew the people would rally behind a male heir and push him to stake his claim once they found out.

About destiny, everything she has been through led her to believe it's her destiny. Remember when we first met her she was just a scared little girl who only wanted to get back to her home, but to do that her brother sold her off to khal drogo because he was promise an army to take back to westros. Fast forward, said brother was murdered for threatening her life and the life of her baby and the dream of going home died with him. Later an assassination attempt was made on her which led her husband to declare he was going to attack westros for her, this rekindled the zeal to go back home and restored her hope. I don't need to remind you that said husband died while making the arrangements to fulfill his vow to take her home, this led to her entering that pyre with three stones and coming out with three dragons and the rest they say is history.

Now her journey throw essos and experiences had shaped her into wanting to make the world a better place, and she feels there is no one better suited to rid the world of evil monarchs but her self and to do this she needs to be the one to call the shots. It's her destiny, if she doesn't sit on the iron throne then she has failed.

It's true power can corrupt, but sometimes it's because people won't be willing to accept the person wielding the power so the person has to use that power to bend them to their will.

IamD18:
You called her an a**hole. What does that signify? Love?

meforkene:


Does it signify hate?

IamD18:
Yes! It does, because you can't call someone you like an "A**hole".

DP84:

It seems you haven't been seeing GOT let alone understand the perspective of resurrected folks with some said purpose. Beric, for example... Beric was resurrected severally by the lord of light to save Arya, according to the Red Woman. I could cook up a theory and say Jon was resurrected to assist the other, last living Targaryen - Dany. But then, it is all ideas cooked up in my head, just as yours.

See, long back and forth bore me. I don't even have the time... If you failed to learn from Dany's plight as you walk your way through life then I have no words for you. Just in case you missed it, the greatest lesson Dany's story taught us don't go about solving people's problems when yours is unsettled.

I have been trying hard to make sense of your post, the part I emboldened and I just can't. I can't recall seeing your name as one of the producers or the co-director to have concluded on an ongoing show. So it is safe to imply, going by your peppersoup ideology that Dany is not fit for contending for the Iron Throne? What a Wawu!

meforkene:


It's your personal opinion.
You said 95% of Sansa haters exist because she doesn't trust Dany? Come on don't say that.

Do you deny the fact that Sansa's character development and smartness is actually forced on all of us?

Sansa should be another word for selfish...girl submerged into the crypts...confirmed to all in there how useless they were....came out and was still bitter about Dany bearing in mind how useless her Winterfell and Northern fighters were in that battle.

Same Sansa trusts that Dany and Co would conquer Cersei as she confirmed to Jamie.

Now remember the directors spent 7 seasons to build Dany...ever on progressive massive growth then come run her down in just 1 episode. (this one is just to cage a dog, poke it, belittle it and then release it to go mad....then give it a bad name and kill it maybe).

Meanwhile, I wouldn't be surprised if Sansa the a**hole sits on the throne by cosmic accident. I'm ready.

Dany is always BAE (Best Aunt Ever).

Buharifanatic:
if Sansa doesn't die


What I will do to her Instagram page


I'm 100000000% sure that I wouldn't make heaven when I'm done