"Once saved, forever safe."
This is unscriptural.
Beware of Tares, false prophets and Grace abusers.
This has made Christians remain comfortable as lone-rangers, bench-warmers, onlookers, babes in the Faith and rebellious believers. Christians have become comfortable in sin and have become the ones establishing corruption and the kingdom of unrighteousness even worse than unbelievers.

Notable believers who lost their salvation;
King Saul in the Old Testament.
Judas Iscariot right under Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Himself.
Ananias and Sapphira in the New Testament struck dead by the Holy Spirit Himself.

We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We are to guard our salvation with all diligence.

Christ never said we're saved for ever just for believing in him, for demons do too but are not saved. He said, if we love him, we should keep his commands. He said, if judgement comes, will He find Faith? He said people will stray away from the Faith, unbelief will spread even among believers who will fall for false prophets.
Even Apostle Paul never said Grace saves anyone for ever because even He said He was fighting the good fight of Faith, to take hold of eternal life.

The precious blood of Jesus saves all who believe in Christ from being unbelievers and from living a disconnected life from God. Truly Christ refers to unbelievers as the dead, because to be carnal is death.- 1st stage of Salvation.

Discipleship; Learning of Christ. Obedience and Faith in the Words of Christ keeps us Saved. We start growing in the Likeness of Christ, bearing His Fruit and His Nature. We start doing greater works like Christ did winning souls, healing the sick, casting out demons, finding our place in ministry and establishing God's Kingdom on earth etc- 2nd Stage of Salvation.

When we die or are raptured, would it meet us still faithful and doing the works of Christ, keeping our Faith even in the face of Death?- Final stage of Salvation.

pressplay411:
"Once saved, forever safe."
This is unscriptural.
Beware of Tares, false prophets and Grace abusers.
This has made Christians remain comfortable as lone-rangers, bench-warmers, onlookers, babes in the Faith and rebellious believers. Christians have become comfortable in sin and have become the ones establishing corruption and the kingdom of unrighteousness even worse than unbelievers.

Notable believers who lost their salvation;
King Saul in the Old Testament.
Judas Iscariot right under Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Himself.
Ananias and Sapphira in the New Testament struck dead by the Holy Spirit Himself.

.

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?

I believe once saved, always saved.
It's Biblically sound to do so.

shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

You've said all I would have wanted to say.

shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Explain the fruits you see in Christians around you sir. Starting with yourself. Are you like Christ?
If you're not like Christ, you're a Tare disguising as Wheat.

By the way, I didn't make up what I wrote, they're all from the scriptures, I simply realised scriptures make little effect when people read their own interpretation into it.
Which is why the same Verse and Story is preached in diverse interpretations by different pastors and believers.
How come?
When we are supposed to have been baptised into the same Spirit and Faith. The Spirit is One, yet we have made it otherwise.

I pray for the Unity of Faith to be restored into the Body of Christ. Then we won't argue scriptures anymore.

Yinyeon:


You've said all I would have wanted to say.

I guess some Christians don't know that God will judge us Christians according to our Faithfulness!

Some will build with Gold, Silver and precious stone while some Christians will build with grass and hay. Some peoples works would be burnt as by fire. Everyone will reap what he has sowed.

God is not mocked!

Yinyeon:
I believe once saved, always saved.
It's Biblically sound to do so.

Kindly share your scriptural reference ma.

shadeyinka:

I guess some Christians don't know that God will judge us Christians according to our Faithfulness!

Some will build with Gold, Silver and precious stone while some Christians will build with grass and hay. Some peoples works would be burnt as by fire. Everyone will reap what he has sowed.

God is not mocked!

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Matthew 7:21-23

pressplay411:


Explain the fruits you see in Christians around you sir. Starting with yourself. Are you like Christ?
If you're not like Christ, you're a Tare disguising as Wheat.

By the way, I didn't make up what I wrote, they're all from the scriptures, I simply realised scriptures make little effect when people read their own interpretation into it.
Which is why the same Verse and Story is preached in diverse interpretations by different pastors and believers.
How come?
When we are supposed to have been baptised into the same Spirit and Faith. The Spirit is One, yet we have made it otherwise.

I pray for the Unity of Faith to be restored into the Body of Christ. Then we won't argue scriptures anymore.

I will give you as many scriptures that will satisfy you: but first address the two points I raised.

shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?

Do you disagree with any of my insinuations?

pressplay411:
"Once saved, forever safe."
This is unscriptural.
Beware of Tares, false prophets and Grace abusers.
This has made Christians remain comfortable as lone-rangers, bench-warmers, onlookers, babes in the Faith and rebellious believers. Christians have become comfortable in sin and have become the ones establishing corruption and the kingdom of unrighteousness even worse than unbelievers.

Notable believers who lost their salvation;
King Saul in the Old Testament.
Judas Iscariot right under Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Himself.
Ananias and Sapphira in the New Testament struck dead by the Holy Spirit Himself.

We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We are to guard our salvation with all diligence.

Christ never said we're saved for ever just for believing in him, for demons do too but are not saved. He said, if we love him, we should keep his commands. He said, if judgement comes, will He find Faith? He said people will stray away from the Faith, unbelief will spread even among believers who will fall for false prophets.
Even Apostle Paul never said Grace saves anyone for ever because even He said He was fighting the good fight of Faith, to take hold of eternal life.

The precuous blood of Jesus saves all who believe in Christ from being unbelievers and from living a disconnected life from God. Truly Christ refers tp unbelievers as the dead, because to be carnal is death.- 1st stage of Salvation.

Discipleship; Learning of Christ. Obedience and Faith in the Words of Christ keeps us Saved. We start growing in the Likeness of Christ, bearing His Fruit and His Nature. We start doing greater works like Christ did winning souls, healing the sick, casting out demons, finding our place in ministry and establishing God's Kingdom on earth etc- 2nd Stage of Salvation.

When we die or are raptured, would we still be doing the works of Christ, keeping our Faith even in the face of Death- Final stage of Salvation.

Bros. I dey with you.

Don't mind those that rather believe what they want to believe.

Jesus said to those church folks that believed that once saved always saved that they should depart from him, all workers of iniquity.

And Jesus wasn't talking about church folks from mars but those present here on Earth, and even many here on Nairaland who think that just by saying Jesus is Lord and by doing mighty works in His name guarantees their salvation.

So let's keep making them know the Truth, so that even if they ignore it, it wouldn't be that no one told them this.

Thanks bro and God bless you!

pressplay411:


Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Matthew 7:21-23

Mark the words "I NEVER KNEW YOU". They were never bornagain!
The name of Christ is so powerful a sinner can use it to effect.

pressplay411:

Kindly share your scriptural reference ma.

Romans 8:39, Ephesians 1:4, Philippians 1:6.
Read these up and try to get the correct interpretation or rather you listen to either Paul Washer, Voddie Baucham, John piper, John MacArthur on this topic and more.

shadeyinka:

I guess some Christians don't know that God will judge us Christians according to our Faithfulness!

Some will build with Gold, Silver and precious stone while some Christians will build with grass and hay. Some peoples works would be burnt as by fire. Everyone will reap what he has sowed.

God is not mocked!

Are you a Reformed Christian like I am?
Calvanist?

Yinyeon:


Romans 8:39, Ephesians 1:4, Philippians 1:6.
Read these up and try to get the correct interpretation or rather you listen to either Paul Washer, Voddie Baucham, John piper, John MacArthur on this topic and more.

I knew all you will bring are Apostle Paul's epistles.
I also have some for you from the same Paul, Apostle of Grace, your Jesus since you honour his teachings above Christ's and all the other Apostles and Prophets. And we can do this all day.
By the way, Paul exalts Jesus Christ and you simply read the idols of your heart into His epistles, thereby misinterpreting Him.

1Corinthians 5: 1-5
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife!
And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you.
For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13
I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people.
Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?
But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

shadeyinka:


Mark the words "I NEVER KNEW YOU". They were never bornagain!
The name of Christ is so powerful a sinner can use it to effect.

Very Correct, if ever one loves committing sin and is never bitten by it whenever he/she does so, it means the person was never saved to begin with, because the God who saved us is faithful and powerful enough to keep us.

It doesn't mean as Christian, we don't sin for we are in this evil flesh that strives to displease God hence, we have the Holy Spirit who is always in constant conflict with the flesh.
However, the sin of a Christian doesn't lead to eternal damnation just takes us farther way from God.

Yinyeon:


Are you a Reformed Christian like I am?
Calvanist?

I couldn't believe help but laugh at your terminologies "Reformed Christian /Calvinist".

No! Not at all. I am just a simple former sinner saved by the grace of God. The life I live now, I live by Faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me!

Let me give you a link to a very old post of mine which explains this:

https://www.nairaland.com/3203455/concept-born-again-simplified


https://www.nairaland.com/3423081/real-fake-student-university-heaven

https://www.nairaland.com/3436394/how-improve-spiritual-cgpa


These are long posts but they explain the concept big salvation in a clear manner.

Shalom Sister

shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?

You forget that God still leaves everyone with Free Will.
The Blood of Christ is able to save you completely but do you still love sin, do you still love the world? You will choose that which you love more, Christ or the World.

He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
John 3:18-21

2.We are saved by Grace to do good works. Christ says that all over the scriptures even in his parting words to His disciples that we have greater works to do, that we should disciple nations! You clearly don't know the Power of the Holy Spirit in you. You think He's for healing your malaria and speaking in tongues only?
Hear what Apostles James says about Faith and Works. Even Paul says we have works to do in some of His epistles. You should be sensitive to the type of Gentiles Paul writes to lest you will never grow in Faith. Paul was addressing works of self righteousness such as circumcision.

But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:18-24

Yinyeon:


Very Correct, if ever one loves committing sin and is never bitten by it whenever he/she does so, it means the person was never saved to begin with, because the God who saved us is faithful and powerful enough to keep us.

It doesn't mean as Christian, we don't sin for we are in this evil flesh that strives to displease God hence, we have the Holy Spirit who is always in constant conflict with the flesh.
However, the sin of a Christian doesn't lead to eternal damnation just takes us farther way from God.

Of course, while Christ did not condone sin, the bible says if anyone of us commit a sin, we have an advocate with the father.

Some people believe that their name IS NOT yet written in the book of life even though they claim to be born again. They want to be saved by their own works of righteousness

shadeyinka:

I couldn't believe help but laugh at your terminologies "Reformed Christian /Calvinist".

No! Not at all. I am just a simple former sinner saved by the grace of God. The life I live now, I live by Faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me!

Let me give you a link to a very old post of mine which explains this:

https://www.nairaland.com/3203455/concept-born-again-simplified


https://www.nairaland.com/3423081/real-fake-student-university-heaven

https://www.nairaland.com/3436394/how-improve-spiritual-cgpa


These are long posts but they explain the concept big salvation in a clear manner.

Shalom Sister

I understand, you don't have to be these things to be a true Christian.

You could check out these people on IG and tell me what you think of them.
Anitaogechi, gits gitua, madrob, apologia.

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance.

pressplay411:


You forget that God still leaves everyone with Free Will.
The Blood of Christ is able to save you completely but do you still love sin, do you still love the world? You will choose that which you love more, Christ or the World.

He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
John 3:18-21

You are applying a scripture to the unsaved on the saved is that possible?

OK!

Let's look at a scripture together:
Rom 8:29-30:
"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

This scripture is specifically about salvation of the saints:

I will ask a few questions!
1. What is Gods foreknowledge?
2. What is Predestination according to the scripture above?
3. Can Gods foreknowledge Fail?
4. If your answer to 3 is NO, if God predestined a person, can it be in error?
5. Isn't it possible that person could assume he is born again but is not known by God NOR predestined by God?

A person who assumed he is born again is NOT a new creation, Old things has NOT not passed away. He may look like born again, be a pastor, sing in choir etc. By their fruit you shall know them


But sincerely answer the questions posted

shadeyinka:

Of course, while Christ died not condone sin, the bible says if anyone of us commit a sin, we have an advocate with the father.

Some people believe that their name IS NOT yet written in the book of life even though they claim to be born again. They want to be saved by their own works of righteousness

Work based salvation is the downfall of anyone who claims to be saved.
But then, a true Christian would know that.

Our works are useless, although they are evidence of true salvation.

We are saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ alone.

mployer:
The gifts and callings of God are without repentance.

Perfectly said. And salvation is a gift of God

Yinyeon:


Work based salvation is the downfall of anyone who claims to be saved.
But then, a true Christian would know that.

Our works are useless, although they are evidence of true salvation.

We are saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ alone.

Correct.
If anyone claims to be born again, and the Holy Spirit doesn't convict such of sin, he is probably not born again.
Even a weak Christian would not enjoy the act of sinning against Christ.

shadeyinka:

Perfectly said. And salvation is a pgift of God

A gift we do not deserve and never will.

He bestows it to those he deems fit. He is not unjust. He chooses those to bestow mercy and those to give justice, that's what we all deserve.

Do you believe in Predestination
Those who were chosen to be saved are elected from the foundations of the world. The Elects

shadeyinka:

Correct.
If anyone claims to be born again, and the Holy Spirit doesn't convict such of sin, he is probably not born again.
Even a weak Christian would not enjoy the act of sinning against Christ.

It bites really hard, like something is stuffed down your throat.
But then, it's good to have gutsy guilt.

shadeyinka:

Correct.
If anyone claims to be born again, and the Holy Spirit doesn't convict such of sin, he is probably not born again.
Even a weak Christian would not enjoy the act of sinning against Christ.

Weak you mean babe in Christ?
Like me, I don't know it all but I try to defend the little I know.

shadeyinka:

Correct.
If anyone claims to be born again, and the Holy Spirit doesn't convict such of sin, he is probably not born again.
Even a weak Christian would not enjoy the act of sinning against Christ.

Weak, you mean babe in Christ?

Like me, I don't know it all, but the little I know, I'd try to defend it as much as I can.

pressplay411:



2.We are saved by Grace to do good works. Christ says that all over the scriptures even in his parting words to His disciples that we have greater works to do, that we should disciple nations! You clearly don't know the Power of the Holy Spirit in you. You think He's for healing your malaria and speaking in tongues only?
Hear what Apostles James says about Faith and Works. Even Paul says we have works to do in some of His epistles. You should be sensitive to the type of Gentiles Paul writes to lest you will never grow in Faith. Paul was addressing works of self righteousness such as circumcision.

But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:18-24

This your second part of the post balances it.

If a person claims to be a NEW creature ( not a washed PIG), we should see the Evidence of the Holy Spirit living in the person with the FRUIT of the Spirit manifesting.

Now, only God can separate between the Wheat and the Tares for they look alike. A wheat is wheat even if it has only one seed. However a Tare cannot bring forth even one grain of wheat. I believe you remember this parable.

Yinyeon:


Weak, you mean babe in Christ?

Like me, I don't know it all, but the little I know, I'd try to defend it as much as I can.

Of cause, a babe in Christ!

He maybe 56 years old but a toddler in Spiritual growth and strength.

Yinyeon:


It bites really hard, like something is stuffed down your throat.
But then, it's good to have gutsy guilt.

shadeyinka:

Of cause, a babe in Christ!

He maybe 56 years old but a toddler in Spiritual growth and strength.

You are so right, where have you been all my life?

Yinyeon:


A gift we do not deserve and never will.

He bestows it to those he deems fit. He is not unjust. He chooses those to bestow mercy and those to give justice, that's what we all deserve.

Do you believe in Predestination
Those who were chosen to be saved are elected from the foundations of the world. The Elects

1. I believe in God's foreknowledge of our actions on earth even before He created anything
2. I believe that based on Gods foreknowledge, He made provision (special grace) predestination for those He had foreknown
3. Gods predestination is NOT random else He would be unjust to condemn a person who had not yet commited sin/iniquity.

4. Apart from this aspect of predestination (which has to do with salvation) , I doubt if God predestined our lives else, we would not/can not be guilty of what we have been predestined to do.

No one ever blames a Lime/Lemon for being bitter.
But if an orange tree would produce bitter orange, we will cut it down