GoodBoi1:


I never said that. The bible says we should forgive others so that God will forgive us too when we ask for forgiveness. We can be saved but if we tolerate a sinful lifestyle we can miss our inheritance. The prodigal son was still a son but he choose a sinful lifestyle before going back to the Father who accepted him. God is ready to accept us if we repent and go back to him. It is us that will choose to go back or remain in sin

What we are saying is that if you see any "Christian" enjoy sin, such may never have been born again.

Is it answering an alter call that make a person born again?

There are many people who have answered to an alter call but are not known by Christ.

If one has the Holy Spirit, he will produce the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Or what do you think?

These are the kind of preachers we need to rid from the body of Christ. They know not the gospel, neither the power of God, nor of his Christ.The most popular verse in scripture, John 3:16 is a solid proof that our salvation is predicated upon believing in Jesus. The believer that gets saved and loses his salvation can never be saved again. Go read Hebrews 6:4-6.

The OP is a teacher of the law of letters and not of the Spirit of Christ. Imagine citing examples from King Saul and Judas. Was king Saul ever saved? Was Judas ever saved? Salvation did not come until Jesus Christ rose from the grave. What happened with Ananias and Saphirra was an error. And no, they didn't loose their Salvation. Did the Holy Ghost kill Ananias and Saphirra? Saying he did would be saying God kills. Error! God is Life, and in him is no death. It was the pronouncement of Peter that killed Ananias and Saphirra. Think of it, if Jesus was the one that handled the situation with those two, would they have died? Was their sin the most grievous of offences? Peter operating with the consciousness of the law of sin and death willed death on those two. And no, it was not the will of God. What was the aftermath of it? Great FEAR came upon the people. But God has NOT given us the spirit of fear....! Do you see that?

I can show you many places in scripture that points to eternal salvation if I find the time. What does it mean to have eternal life? Do you know the life that God carries is that same eternal life? No created being share in this life. Only believers do. Now, can God lose his life? If no, then you can't! We are saved and our salvation is eternal. Don't condemn what you don't understand.

Agrogbeide:
GRASS MESSAGE is a License to sin but GRACE MESSAGE is a license to live a Holy life.
If anyone finds comfort in sin is either that person is hearing or heard Grass message or simply not Born Again.
I once was against this "perfect doctrine" until I went back to the scriptures and discovered things for myself, what most Christians parade as knowledge is hearsay, what their fellow brethrens or prophets told them, majority of them have not really gone back to the drawing board of salvation and observe things with their own eyes hence, useless doctrines, different sects and denominations among those who claim they have ONE AND SAME HOLY SPIRIT. You can imagine the trash.
If good works was not good enough for salvation it won't be better to sustain salvation unto eternal life. Christ did not waited for good works before he died on the cross, BUT WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS CHRIST DIED FOR US AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

ONCE SAVED IS FOREVER SAVED.

They want to be able to boast about how they fasted and prayed their way into holiness and sanctification.

I keep telling Christians, the judgement of hell is not what you should worry about. You should worry about the judgement of God's grace over your life you have wasted.

salt1:


The energy with which you argue makes me not feel like replying you. It's not the vehemence of your argument that makes you right.

Now listen and listen very well. The only thing that separates man from God is sin. Even if you have experienced the joy of salvation like David and you, of your God given freewill, go back to sin, you're no more a Christian.
1John 1:9 says he that is born of God does not commit sin, for His seed remains in him.
If a saved person backslides into sin and doesn't repent and forsake it, if he dies in his sin, he can't appear before a holy God.
Grace is not a cloak for covering evil. He that does righteousness is righteous. God's grace empowers you to live right.
I know I'm wasting my time with you because Oyakhilome has taught you differently.
Search the Bible. If you like. Otherwise, go ahead and believe whatever you will. See you at the pearly gates

Are you aware that if you loose your salvation, it cannot be restored back to you?

If it is the last unconfessed sin that lead you to hell, why the need of Christs death?

Look into the scriptures and stop being emotional with doctrinal sentiments.

By grace you have been saved through faith, it is NOT of yourself, NOT of works (of righteousness) so that NO one should boast.

shadeyinka:

Has eternal life (present continuous) NOT will have eternal life!

Gbam

shadeyinka:

What we are saying is that if you see any "Christian" enjoy sin, such may never have been born again.

Such a christian might have received salvation but was not established in the faith by renewing his mind. God will accept him if he/she repents and comes back

shadeyinka:

Is it answering an alter call that make a person born again?

Conscious confession and believing is what makes us to receive salvation but our christian journey does not end there

Romans 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Col. 2:6-7
6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him, 7 rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

shadeyinka:

There are many people who have answered to an alter call but are not known by Christ.

If they choose to back to sin but God is ready to forgive them if they turn away and repent

shadeyinka:

If one has the Holy Spirit, he will produce the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Or what do you think?

Yes but from the same scripture we can see that the flesh and the spirit war against each other and we are encouraged to walk in the spirit

Gal. 5:16-17
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
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Ezekiel 18:21-24

21 “But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. 22 None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. 23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

salt1:


The energy with which you argue makes me not feel like replying you. It's not the vehemence of your argument that makes you right.

[quote author=salt1 post=78329137] Now listen and listen very well. The only thing that separates man from God is sin. Even if you have experienced the joy of salvation like David and you, of your God given freewill, go back to sin, you're no more a Christian.

Anyone that goes back to sin and finds pleasure in it was never Born Again and that person cannot lose salvation because he never had it.

salt1:
1John 1:9 says he that is born of God does not commit sin, for His seed remains in him.

I would have slide pass your comment if not of this statement.
If one that is born of God DOES NOT SIN how come that one born of God can lose his salvation because of sin? Please explain. Thanks.
BTW are you telling me since when you gave your life to Christ you have never for once indulge in one of the things of the flesh?....... Hmmmmm

salt1:
If a saved person backslides into sin and doesn't repent and forsake it, if he dies in his sin, he can't appear before a holy God.
Grace is not a cloak for covering evil. He that does righteousness is righteous. God's grace empowers you to live right.

Have you read this Bible passage before;
32
AMP:But when we [fall short and] are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined and chastened, so that we may not [finally] be condemned [to eternal punishment along] with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:32

salt1:
I know I'm wasting my time with you because Oyakhilome has taught you differently.
Search the Bible. If you like. Otherwise, go ahead and believe whatever you will. See you at the pearly

Thank God you know you are wasting your time explaining trash, but it will dawn on you most when those who are siding with you presently glean through the scriptures and come to the other end which is "ONCE SAVED IS FOREVER SAVED".
I was once in your shoes bro, it hurts to hear this message but you will do yourself good by going back to the scriptures and do some studying.
If you find pleasures in sin is either you are hearing or heard GRASS MESSAGE. GRACE MESSAGE is not license to sin but license to live a Holy life.

sacx:
These are the kind of preachers we need to rid from the body of Christ. They know not the gospel, neither the power of God, nor of his Christ.The most popular verse in scripture, John 3:16 is a solid proof that our salvation is predicated upon believing in Jesus. The believer that gets saved and loses his salvation can never be saved again. Go read Hebrews 6:4-6.

The OP is a teacher of the law of letters and not of the Spirit of Christ. Imagine citing examples from King Saul and Judas. Was king Saul ever saved? Was Judas ever saved? Salvation did not come until Jesus Christ rose from the grave. What happened with Ananias and Saphirra was an error. And no, they didn't loose their Salvation. Did the Holy Ghost kill Ananias and Saphirra? Saying he did would be saying God kills. Error! God is Life, and in him is no death. It was the pronouncement of Peter that killed Ananias and Saphirra. Think of it, if Jesus was the one that handled the situation with those two, would they have died? Was their sin the most grievous of offences? Peter operating with the consciousness of the law of sin and death willed death on those two. And no, it was not the will of God. What was the aftermath of it? Great FEAR came upon the people. But God has NOT given us the spirit of fear....! Do you see that?

I can show you many places in scripture that points to eternal salvation if I find the time. What does it mean to have eternal life? Do you know the life that God carries is that same eternal life? No created being share in this life. Only believers do. Now, can God lose his life? If no, then you can't! We are saved and our salvation is eternal. Don't condemn what you don't understand.

You needn't blame the OP too much.
Most of us rejected the true doctrine because it was too simple. Too easy. We wanted to feel more righteous than the "Christian Sinner's around us.

It takes humility and dedication to know exactly what the scripture is teaching to really know the truth.

What I know is that most of those who preach eternal salvation live more "holy" than those who uphold temporal salvation.

GoodBoi1:

Such a christian might have received salvation but was not established in the faith by renewing his mind. God will accept him if he/she repents and comes back


Conscious confession and believing is what makes us to receive salvation but our christian journey does not end there

Romans 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Col. 2:6-7
6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him, 7 rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.


If they choose to back to sin but God is ready to forgive them if they turn away and repent


Yes but from the same scripture we can see that the flesh and the spirit war against each other and we are encouraged to walk in the spirit

Gal. 5:16-17
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

What do you think happened to a sinner on the day he gets born again,?

shadeyinka:

Are you aware that if you loose your salvation, it cannot be restored back to you?

If it is the last unconfessed sin that lead you to hell, why the need of Christs death?

Look into the scriptures and stop being emotional with doctrinal sentiments.

By grace you have been saved through faith, it is NOT of yourself, NOT of works (of righteousness) so that NO one should boast.

Salvation can be restored. David prayed asking God to restore the joy of salvation to Him.
We are saved by GRACE through FAITH to work WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. Show me your faith (and grace) and I will show you my faith in action (works of righteousness).

There is conditional eternal security. God saves us and keeps us saved IF we remain under His grace. But if we presume that since we're saved, we can't fall (let him that thinks he's standing be careful lest he falls), and we begin to commit sin and live anyhow, God won't open the gates for rebellious ones

sacx:
These are the kind of preachers we need to rid from the body of Christ. They know not the gospel, neither the power of God, nor of his Christ.The most popular verse in scripture, John 3:16 is a solid proof that our salvation is predicated upon believing in Jesus. The believer that gets saved and loses his salvation can never be saved again. Go read Hebrews 6:4-6.

The OP is a teacher of the law of letters and not of the Spirit of Christ. Imagine citing examples from King Saul and Judas. Was king Saul ever saved? Was Judas ever saved? Salvation did not come until Jesus Christ rose from the grave. What happened with Ananias and Saphirra was an error. And no, they didn't loose their Salvation. Did the Holy Ghost kill Ananias and Saphirra? Saying he did would be saying God kills. Error! God is Life, and in him is no death. It was the pronouncement of Peter that killed Ananias and Saphirra. Think of it, if Jesus was the one that handled the situation with those two, would they have died? Was their sin the most grievous of offences? Peter operating with the consciousness of the law of sin and death willed death on those two. And no, it was not the will of God. What was the aftermath of it? Great FEAR came upon the people. But God has NOT given us the spirit of fear....! Do you see that?

I can show you many places in scripture that points to eternal salvation if I find the time. What does it mean to have eternal life? Do you know the life that God carries is that same eternal life? No created being share in this life. Only believers do. Now, can God lose his life? If no, then you can't! We are saved and our salvation is eternal. Don't condemn what you don't understand.

What happens to a believer who accepted salvation but chooses to live a sinful lifestyle?

shadeyinka:

What do you think happened to a sinner on the day he gets born again,?

There is joy in heaven over his repentance

Luke 15:3-7
3 Then Jesus told them this parable: 4 “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6 and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ 7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

GoodBoi1:

What happens to a believer who accepted salvation but chooses to live a sinful lifestyle?

This is where you all have miss it. Why will I give my life to Christ when I know his requirements and I still want to continue in sin?Can u serve two masters same time?
We have hypocrites all around who claim they are believers but by their fruits we know who is their father. If you find pleasures in sinful lifestyle it is an indication that you are not born again and even if you are born again you will be delivered to Satan for the destruction of the flesh by the Holy Spirit so that your spirit will be saved on the last day. And as a result of this fact a Christian can not lose his salvation.
My brother read 1 Corinthians 11:32 abeg

sacx:
These are the kind of preachers we need to rid from the body of Christ. They know not the gospel, neither the power of God, nor of his Christ.The most popular verse in scripture, John 3:16 is a solid proof that our salvation is predicated upon believing in Jesus. The believer that gets saved and loses his salvation can never be saved again. Go read Hebrews 6:4-6.

The OP is a teacher of the law of letters and not of the Spirit of Christ. Imagine citing examples from King Saul and Judas. Was king Saul ever saved? Was Judas ever saved? Salvation did not come until Jesus Christ rose from the grave. What happened with Ananias and Saphirra was an error. And no, they didn't loose their Salvation. Did the Holy Ghost kill Ananias and Saphirra? Saying he did would be saying God kills. Error! God is Life, and in him is no death. It was the pronouncement of Peter that killed Ananias and Saphirra. Think of it, if Jesus was the one that handled the situation with those two, would they have died? Was their sin the most grievous of offences? Peter operating with the consciousness of the law of sin and death willed death on those two. And no, it was not the will of God. What was the aftermath of it? Great FEAR came upon the people. But God has NOT given us the spirit of fear....! Do you see that?

I can show you many places in scripture that points to eternal salvation if I find the time. What does it mean to have eternal life? Do you know the life that God carries is that same eternal life? No created being share in this life. Only believers do. Now, can God lose his life? If no, then you can't! We are saved and our salvation is eternal. Don't condemn what you don't understand.

Yes from John 3:16 we can see that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting. Believe means you have faith in Christ to save you therefore you now behave like Christ because he owns you, He bought you with His blood

1Cor. 6:20
you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.


but faith without works is dead, and it is impossible to please God if you don't have faith therefore if you have faith in salvation through Christ, you also act like Him

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

James 1:22-24
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was

Agrogbeide:
This is where you all have miss it. Why will I give my life to Christ when I know his requirements and I still want to continue in sin?Can u serve two masters same time?
We have hypocrites all around who claim they are believers but by their fruits we know who is their father. If you find pleasures in sinful lifestyle it is an indication that you are not born again and even if you are born again you will be delivered to Satan for the destruction of the flesh by the Holy Spirit so that your spirit will be saved on the last day. And as a result of this fact a Christian can not lose his salvation.
My brother read 1 Corinthians 11:32 abeg

So what will you say about the parable of the prodigal son? The problem is that you are literally using a statement that is not even in the bible as a base. God is not a God of confusion. We know what is in the scriptures let us practice it. Read look Luke 15 and pray let the Holy Spirit teach you. Scripture

Matt 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your. Father which is in heaven is perfect.

This is what we should be aiming for after salvation instead of not growing in the faith

GoodBoi1:

So what will you say about the parable of the prodigal son? The problem is that you are literally using a statement that is not even in the bible as a base. God is not a God of confusion. We know what is in the scriptures let us practice it

which of my statements did you not find in the scriptures so that I can help you?
I don't even know about you and this your prodigal son parable. What are you trying to explain from that parable sir?
I'm listening.

GoodBoi1:

There is joy in heaven over his repentance

Luke 15:3-7
3 Then Jesus told them this parable: 4 “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6 and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ 7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

I was expecting this
1. He is transformed into a new creation (not a washed pig but a saint)
2. The Holy Spirit come into him and
a. Seals him for God
b. Empowers him to live for God, Empowers him to serve God
c. Becomes his Guide
d. Enables him to bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit
3. He's name is written in the book of life
4. He becomes a child of God.
I can give you appropriate scriptures if you disagree with any of the points above.

If numbers 1-4 is untrue for a person, but he is in the choir and can preach and speak Spiritual lingos with or without visible sin, would he make heaven?

I want to believe you are born again.
1. Hence, can you guarantee your sinlessness for the next 30days?
2. If you fall into any sin, what do you think will happen to the four items listed above?

When then really does a man loose his salvation?

Of course, God cannot condone sin. What happens to a believer who falls into sin.
1. He is stained with the consequence and repercussions of his sins
2. He stands to be judged and punished by God
3. Satan has a legal right over his life
4. He stands to loose the reward for every works of righteousness done within the period of having the unconfessed sin.

But you think he has automatically lost his salvation UNTIL he confesses his sin. How do you reconcile the fact that if anyone looses his salvation, it cannot be restored back.

Final question:
If God assured you that whatever sin you commit, He is still taking you to heaven: would you live a sinful life?

duality:


I didn't want to post anything until I saw your last paragraph.

Read the story of the ten virgins in Matt 25. Note, they were all virgins. But in VS 12, it was stated, I know you not.


Look, it's this your interpretation that will take you far away from God. I've addressed this issue many times. I don't have time to stress myself over false teachings of the last days, with the obvious agenda of taking away God's consciousness from the heart of many. Soon, the preachers will tell you, it's not necessary to do things that pleases God

Do these verses and the words “I don’t know you” imply anything about salvation? The answer is yes. Yes they do. They imply exclusion from salvation.

“If you treat the Lord like he’s unimportant, you won’t enter the feast. You won’t enter salvation.”

Now, let me step back and give a little reminder. This is a parable, okay? There are ten virgins in this story that Jesus made up. Ten virgins are assigned to welcome the bridegroom when he comes to the feast, to go in and enjoy the bride. So they were to welcome him when he comes.

Five virgins take this seriously and stay ready. Five are careless and don’t have what they need to be ready. At the last minute, they run away to try to do a last-ditch effort to be ready. And it fails. It’s too late.

Those who do not have what they need to be ready are not Saved, because all a true Christian needs to be ready is Salvation, Grace through Faith alone in Jesus Christ!

What pains me about this statement is that it is not in the bible it encourages believers to just confess salvation and put a full stop on their spiritual growth, live life anyhow, whereas the bible says we should be perfect just as God is perfect, and that we should be rooted and established in the faith. Why don't we focus on what is actually in the bible so that we can grow instead of falling back to this statement. Saved or not believer or not, a sinner is someone who sins but if we repent and ask for forgiveness. God is ready to accept us.

GoodBoi1:

What happens to a believer who accepted salvation but chooses to live a sinful lifestyle?

Good question.

There is a place in scripture someone on this thread already quoted where Paul instructed to "deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the body that the spirit may be saved". What was Paul trying to point out there? The Spirit we have received is incorruptible, indestructible! Paul instructing that the body be delivered to Satan for destruction gives credence to the fact that the body is not the measure of a believer's identity. The Spirit is. Doubt it? Check 2 Cor 5:16. We are Spirit, not flesh, and our Spirit is incorruptible.

Now I want you to understand that there is no difference between your Spirit and the Holy Spirit. No. Prior to salvation, the spirit we were carrying was a dead spirit. This was taken away entirely when we got saved. The new Spirit we have is the Holy Spirit. This is why we can say we are one with God. Stay with me.

Man is a tripartite being made up of Spirit, soul and body. The Spirit is the real you! If God is Spirit, those that are made in the image of God are what? Spirit! The soul and body are mediums of expression of the content of the Spirit. The soul acts as the recorder of the realities found in the Spirit. The body gives expression to the knowledge documented in the soul.

When you see believers walking in sin, what you see them doing is expressing knowledge from the old sinful spirit that was in them through the soul. This is what it means to be carnally minded. They are still functioning from old soulish knowledge and are yet to take documentation from the new Spirit they now are into their soul in order for the body to be edified.

What is the cause of this? Ignorance! They don't know who they are. The heir, as long as he is a child is no different from a servant. When we spend more time teaching believers who they are not supposed to be rather than who they are, how do we expect to see a change. You are asked to become something, but not shown explicitly the nature of that which you are to become. We should stop teaching believers sin consciousness and start teaching them to be God consciousness. Whoever is born of God does not commit sin. Why? It's against his nature. Sin is dead! Crucified in the body of Christ.

We have made Christianity so boring that we have now become a subject of ridicule to the world. Do you know that the cure to ageing and corruption of the body (death) is already in us? Christ is waiting for us to show this forth; we are here bickering back and forth on whether a believer is eternally saved. Can Christ in his resurrected state go to hell? If he can't, you can't. You are risen with him.

Agrogbeide:
which of my statements did you not find in the scriptures so that I can help you?
I don't even know about you and this your prodigal son parable. What are you trying to explain from that parable sir?
I'm listening.

"Once saved, forever saved" is not in the bible and it misleading.
I so much emphasize on it because it is as clear as possible and summarizes what happens when we turn away from God. God is ready to accept us. Whether we have been saved before or not it does not matter what matters is that we repent and came back to him. Someone can be saved and possibly go back else there would be no need to pray to GOd for forgiveness.

Also from the parable lost sheep, there were 100 sheeps (like 100 believers), one was lost but was found (repentance and salvation)

sacx:

We have made Christianity so boring that we have now become a subject of ridicule to the world. Do you know that the cure to ageing and corruption of the body (death) is already in us? Christ is waiting for us to show this forth; we are here bickering back and forth on whether a believer is eternally saved. Can Christ in his resurrected state go to hell? If he can't, you can't. You are risen with him.

That there is one of the problem. A believe that walks in the spirit will be joyful even through trials and tribulations. Do you care what the world thinks or what the Father thinks? Joy is a fruit of the spirit and boring should not be attributed to christianity. Who cares what the world think?

Rom. 7:22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Psalm 119:47
for I delight in your commands because I love them.

pressplay411:


Explain the fruits you see in Christians around you sir. Starting with yourself. Are you like Christ?
If you're not like Christ, you're a Tare disguising as Wheat.

By the way, I didn't make up what I wrote, they're all from the scriptures, I simply realised scriptures make little effect when people read their own interpretation into it.
Which is why the same Verse and Story is preached in diverse interpretations by different pastors and believers.
How come?
When we are supposed to have been baptised into the same Spirit and Faith. The Spirit is One, yet we have made it otherwise.

I pray for the Unity of Faith to be restored into the Body of Christ. Then we won't argue scriptures anymore.

Even the disciples interpreted scriptures differently to accordingly to how they where led. Christians are not zombies that u can transfix or place in certain boxes.

The church always try’s to dictate and scare Christians unnecessarily. I wonder how why?


We preach faith then we depend solely on our good works. Who told u ur good works can make u perfect? Unless u don’t not know or understand who God is. Saved and saved for ever exists for those who do not deny the faith.

If u deny ur faith u can loose ur salvation.

GoodBoi1:

Yes from John 3:16 we can see that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting. Believe means you have faith in Christ to save you therefore you now behave like Christ because he owns you, He bought you with His blood

1Cor. 6:20
you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.


but faith without works is dead, and it is impossible to please God if you don't have faith therefore if you have faith in salvation through Christ, you also act like Him

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

James 1:22-24
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was

Works do not validate our salvation sir. They are a consequence of it. We work because we are saved. It is automatic. A well flowing out of our inward being.

Working is not a proof of salvation but a consequence of.

kayuseful:


So sorry about the incidence ma/sir.. This is one of what false doctrines do.
From your statement "renounce Christianity" , I knew you're coming from an erroneous premise.. If you don't mind, I can recommend podcasts to listen to, facebook friends to add up and pages to follow..
It's obvious some light on salvation needs to be shed.

You don't "renounce" salvation.
Salvation is not a contractual agreement you had with God. This is where most persons miss it.
The covenant was between God and His Son Jesus, not you. Jesus came and met the terms of the covenant and has sealed it. Where we come in is as an heir.. Salvation is an inheritance for us thru Jesus Christ.


4. Rom 8:17 KJVLite And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

7. Gal 3:29 KJVLite And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

8. Eph 3:6 KJVLite That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

9. Tit 3:7 KJVLite That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


We are not a party in salvation: we are heirs/beneficiaries. The one who has the power to "renounce" (if there's any word like that) has to be the parties.

"I renounce my salvation" for one who is truly saved is like this
*[[1Co 12:15]] KJV* If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

If my hand should say it is not part of me, would that mean it is not part of me?
If your son says he is renouncing you, will that change his DNA automatically?

When you come into God thru Christ, you're into an eternal union. Of course, such an individual is expected to bring forth fruits of righteousness. Fruit bearing only comes after salvation, not before

Thank you, dear. I did not renounce my salvation. I renounced Christianity. There's a very vast gulf between the two statements. And (being still in the flesh) I happen to still be working out my salvation, with all due fear and trembling - as Paul enjoined you Christians to do.

Of course, those two statements will also most probably lead you on a walk down one of the paths that differentiates me permanently from Christians - in other words, that Christianity is the only way to GOD.

I will not bother joining issues here with you over the subject, but I WILL go as far as to state that I will definitely pour out my soul to Death - that I may in all its entirety be counted worthy of the salvation I work for.

I have not suffered so much in vain, unlike quite a number of others that I know appear to have. No retreat, no surrender.

As to the major reason for the thread, I maintain that which will always be my stand.....salvation does not come on a platter of gold. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. For "What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, and one of you says to them, 'Go in peace, be warmed and filled,' without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? SO FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT HAS NO WORKS, IS DEAD."

Your salvation depends not only on what GOD sows, or on what Christ did. It depends also - and most especially - on what you do. For whatsoever a man soweth, that also will he reap.

BEAR FRUITS WORTHY OF REPENTANCE, THEREFORE; and do not think to say to yourselves, "We have GOD as our Father, because 'Jesus came and met the terms of the covenant and has sealed it;' " for I tell you that GOD is able from the naked that you insult and shame rather than deign to clothe, and from the blind that you imprison in order to deceive, and from the warm that you scourge into dung - GOD is able from they and even worse to raise up children of GOD.

For years as a Christian - and despite being wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked - all I ever got to receive from the Church were the words, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled." There was a time when I would have demanded of it only an apology. Those days are now long-gone. Now, I demand of it seven-fold OR MORE; before I can ever deign to believe once again that GOD is once more with Christendom.

Bear fruits worthy of repentance. Before repentance comes remorse. After it there is renunciation. And don't you dare believe you can do away with restitution.

FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.

shadeyinka:

Final question:
If God assured you that whatever sin you commit, He is still taking you to heaven: would you live a sinful life?

If you go through my post you will notice that I said over and over again a believer will lose his salvation if he rejects it and choose to live a sinful lifestyle but God is ever ready to forgive us


Matt. 18:21-35
21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[g]

23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold[h] was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.[i] He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”


I so much emphasize on forgiveness because you can be saved but if you harbour unforgiveness in your heart God wil not forgive you too

sacx:


Works do not validate our salvation sir. They are a consequence of it. We work because we are saved. It is automatic. A well flowing out of our inward being.

Working is not a proof of salvation but a consequence of.

I agree with you. That is what my posts says, that our faith in Christ is expressed in our works which is pleasing to God. We believe and do. Hearers and doers

shadeyinka:

If a true child of God chooses to live in sin for two straight years and finally returned back to God with all sincerity. Would God accept him back?

yes, the prodigal son returned to his father and regain his sonship

GoodBoi1:

That there is one of the problem. A believe that walks in the spirit will be joyful even through trials and tribulations. Do you care what the world thinks or what the Father thinks? Joy is a fruit of the spirit and boring should not be attributed to christianity. Who cares what the world think?

Rom. 7:22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Psalm 119:47
for I delight in your commands because I love them.

You missed my point completely. Am I bored with the Holy Spirit? How can I be? Have you tasted of the bliss of his presence or even his amazing sense of humor? I'm far from bored. I can never be.

The point; when men in the world observe the quality of our lives, are they in awe? Does it incite in them the desire to know? Even men that observed Jesus exclaimed, 'what manner of man is this!'. Do we find that being done with respect to Christians today? No, our ministers are branded thieves because they do indeed employ gimmicks is extorting money from their members. Miracles are branded fake because they seem to be an exclusive reserve of ministers and are done only within the four walls of the church.

This is an anomaly, and it's our responsibility to correct it. We are sent to the world.

Yinyeon:


Do these verses and the words “I don’t know you” imply anything about salvation? The answer is yes. Yes they do. They imply exclusion from salvation.

“If you treat the Lord like he’s unimportant, you won’t enter the feast. You won’t enter salvation.”

Now, let me step back and give a little reminder. This is a parable, okay? There are ten virgins in this story that Jesus made up. Ten virgins are assigned to welcome the bridegroom when he comes to the feast, to go in and enjoy the bride. So they were to welcome him when he comes.

Five virgins take this seriously and stay ready. Five are careless and don’t have what they need to be ready. At the last minute, they run away to try to do a last-ditch effort to be ready. And it fails. It’s too late.

Those who do not have what they need to be ready are not Saved, because all a true Christian needs to be ready is Salvation, Grace through Faith alone in Jesus Christ!

You see yourself? For you to be twisting it this way shows obvious manipulation.
The devil is really wicked.

They were all virgins! Get that fact first. Those who didn't ensure they had extra oil, missed it. In VS 8,their lamps were gone out. That they are all virgins signified that they have been washed with the blood, but were careless and foolish. Just the way you want people to be.

Careless souls, who profess salvation but have departed from the faith.

GoodBoi1:


I agree with you. That is what my posts says, that our faith in Christ is expressed in our works which is pleasing to God. We believe and do. Hearers and doers

What if we stop working, will we stop being pleasing to God?