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Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by femi4: 5:06pm On May 12, 2019 |
sacx:Rom 12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. Phil 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 1 Like |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Fran6ik: 5:08pm On May 12, 2019 |
SocialJustice: Please what did Jesus say in Matt 25:36-41 ![]() Or he wasnt right too? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by GoodBoi1(m): 5:12pm On May 12, 2019 |
sacx:Yes, it happens. Just because slanders and negativity is being propagated against Christianity by unbelievers or flaky christians to the point of even rallying christians doesn't mean it has stopped happening. Same way you want to be people to be awed you should expected people to be irritated too just as they found the works of Christ and the apostles. Branded thieves or not, what matters is that souls are being won for Christ Philippians 1:15-18 New International Version (NIV) 15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 5:12pm On May 12, 2019 |
femi4:Would you conclude that what negates and destroy your salvation isn't SIN even though God hates sin. Can someone become born again by righteous living,? No! Can someone become unborn again by SIN? No! When we look at the prodigal son, we are tempted to believe that he has lost his sonship. Although the frightening thing about the prodigal son was that even though he was received back home by his father. He lost EVERYTHING. His obedient elder brother owns ALL the father had. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by introvertme: 5:12pm On May 12, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: The Bible warns against serious sins that will keep a person from entering God’s Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21) If salvation could not be lost, such warnings would be meaningless. Instead, the Bible shows that someone who has been saved can fall away by returning to a practice of serious sin. For example, Hebrews 10:26 states: “If we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.”—Hebrews 6:4-6; 2 Peter 2:20-22. Jesus emphasized the importance of maintaining faith by giving an illustration in which he likened himself to a vine and his followers to branches on that vine. Some of them would at one time demonstrate faith in him by their fruits, or actions, yet would later fail to do so and be “thrown out like a [fruitless] branch,” losing their salvation. (John 15:1-6) The apostle Paul used a similar illustration, saying that Christians who do not maintain their faith “will be lopped off.”—Romans 11:17-22. Christians are commanded to “keep on the watch.” (Matthew 24:42; 25:13) Those who fall asleep spiritually, whether by practicing “works belonging to darkness” or by not fully performing the works that Jesus commanded, lose their salvation.—Romans 13:11-13; Revelation 3:1-3. Many scriptures show that those who have been saved must still endure faithfully to the end. (Matthew 24:13; Hebrews 10:36; 12:2, 3; Revelation 2:10) First-century Christians expressed joy when they learned that fellow believers were enduring in their faith. (1 Thessalonians 1:2, 3; 3 John 3, 4) Does it seem reasonable that the Bible would stress faithful endurance if those who did not endure would be saved anyway? Only when his death was imminent did the apostle Paul feel that his salvation was assured. (2 Timothy 4:6- ![]() 1 Like |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by GoodBoi1(m): 5:15pm On May 12, 2019 |
sacx:If you are alive, you are either pleasing God or not, there is no inbetween. Reverence for God should reflect in everything we do Romans 12:1 12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 1 Like |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by femi4: 5:16pm On May 12, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Show me where its written in your Bible. There is work after salvation not before salvation. This work is with the help of God Phil2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. Salvation is a GIFT, it can be lost! |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by wildernessVoice: 5:22pm On May 12, 2019 |
End time doctrine of convenience. The Lord said expressly "He that endure to the end shall be saved" 1 Like |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by SocialJustice: 5:23pm On May 12, 2019 |
Fran6ik:How does it relate? Please go away with your false teaching. You woke up this morning and this demonic message came to your heart and you proceeded to share. Jesus Christ, a God head member, came to sacrifice himself once and for all and you have the effontry to say he only achieved partial salvation. God have mercy on your soul. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Jskill(m): 5:25pm On May 12, 2019 |
SEEK Daily (NBC) Sunday, May 12 Romans 8:1-14 NO CONDEMNATION IN CHRIST JESUS “Therefore, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1, NIV. When we consider the issue of condemnation, the story that easily comes to mind is that of the prostitute that was brought to Jesus judgment. It is true that she violated the Law of Moses but is also true that she was willing to trust Jesus. She was not ashamed to be judged by Jesus. Seeing this level of trust and openness, Jesus chose not to condemn her. Either of the two laws is operational in the life of every individual; the law of the Spirit in those who are in Christ Jesus or the law of sin and death in those without Christ. The law of sin and death is powerless; it only reflects sin but cannot take away sin. The law of the Spirit helps the believer to live above sin, in that Jesus Christ was sacrificed to condemn both sin and flesh to meet God's requirement of righteousness and life. To live without condemnation is to accept the perfect work Christ has done on our behalf and stay faithful to Him. Those who are in Christ give attention to what is pleasing to God but those without Christ can't. Do you indulge in self-gratification? If you still indulge in the deeds of the flesh, you need Christ. Birthday Blessing: “Do not be afraid, you will not suffer shame. Do not fear disgrace; you will not be humiliated. You will forget the shame of your youth” Isaiah 54:4. RBT Passage: 2 Chronicles 17-20 “We need not look to others for recognition and praise; we can take heart that God knows when we are faithful in serving Him”. – Leslie Koh |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by sacx: 5:27pm On May 12, 2019 |
femi4: Finish it: for it is God who works in you both to will and do his good pleasure . ![]() Stop trying to work to please God. You are already pleasing to him. The work is his. Flow with the Spirit |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by femi4: 5:28pm On May 12, 2019 |
sacx:you are in a haste, I concluded it that the work is with the help of God. So, don't say we don't have work to do. You have work to do with God's help |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by timiengage20: 5:30pm On May 12, 2019 |
Op and those that can lose their salvation please read. John 10:28; Hebrews 9:12 KJVS Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained *eternal redemption* for us. Hebrews 9:14-15 KJVS How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? [15] And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of *eternal inheritance.* Hebrews 5:9 KJVS And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him (Obey is to believe in him); Hebrews 7:25 KJVS Wherefore he is able also to save them to the *uttermost* that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. The word uttermost refers to forever and complete Ephesians 2:8 says that our salvation is by grace (gotten freely) not by our works and so we can't boast about it. Ephesians 2:13-19 KJVS But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us ; [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. [18] For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. [19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; Note: that all these things, our peace with God, being drawn near by the blood of Jesus, etc... it's all by grace. Eph1:13 says after you believed you were sealed with the holy spirit of promise. That seal (of the holy spirit) is a mark, a guarantee that your salvation is forever. Jesus speaking in John 14 he told the disciples that when he goes he will send the holy spirit and the holy spirit will abide with them forever. Hebrews 10:1-2 NLT The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship. [2] If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared. [4]For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. In the old testament, they would usually sacrifice animals for the cleansing of sin. That sacrifice of animal was a figure or a shadow of what Christ was going to come and do. That wasnt the real thing. It just showed what Christ was going to come and do. But heb10:1-4 says that that sacrifice was not able to take away the sin. That was why they had to do it again and again. Their sacrifice of animals was never able to redeem them. Hebrews 10:10-14 NLT For God's will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time. [11] Under the old covenant, the priest stands and ministers before the altar day after day, offering the same sacrifices again and again, which can never take away sins. [12] But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down in the place of honor at God's right hand. [13] There he waits until his enemies are humbled and made a footstool under his feet. [14] For by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy. Under the old Covenant the priest had to make that sacrifice back to back Under the new Covenant, Jesus made that sacrifice once and that was enough forever Hebrews 10:14 NLT For by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy. Hebrews 10:12 KJVS But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Hebrews 10:12 NLT But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down in the place of honor at God's right hand. I am going to say this. Redemption is eternal, because ofthe blood of Jesus. The blood of Jesus is eternal because Jesus rose from the dead, never to die again. Because he is alive, my redemption and your redemption is forever and eternal. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Yinyeon(f): 5:32pm On May 12, 2019 |
Profmaojo: That’s where you guys get it all wrong, a true Christian would never love to Sin the way an unbeliever does and Yes, it feels horrible when you do! A true Christian would never think to take advantage of God’s Grace, regardless. There might be a point in every Christian’s life that he back slides, but oh God comes to discipline His own and put them back on the Narrow way. The New Testament plainly states that God does judge His people, meaning that He brings loving discipline and correction, sometimes sternly. And while it is gloriously true that our sins are forgiven in Jesus, there can be still consequences to our sins in this life, just as an alcoholic forgiven for decades of drinking may still develop cirrhosis of the liver. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 5:32pm On May 12, 2019 |
GoodBoi1:A true child of God will not choose Sin over righteous living even if he was assured of no consequence. Why? He is truly a new creation in Christ Jesus. Like, if you give a Cat an opportunity to wallow in the mud (even with incentives attached) would not do so. The nature of a cat isn't like that. However, clean up a pig and perfume it. Put the pig in a big 5star hotel for 10 years on the day you give it the opportunity of wallowing in the mud, you'll see that a pig has the old nature of filth. Nothing can be done about that. If a single sin will send a "child of God" to hell, why exactly did Jesus have to die. You will discover that the Thief on the right hand of Christ never asked for forgiveness of sin. He only asked "remember me when you get to your Kingdom" and Jesus said "today today, you shall be with me in paradise!". Once saved eternally saved in NEVER the same as Once saved you have the license to SIN It is saying, if you are truly saved, we would see the FRUIT of the Holy Spirit manifesting in You. If you are enjoying SINNING, you are most likely still the OLD creature, the old things have not passed away and behold all things still THE SAME! |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by sacx: 5:32pm On May 12, 2019 |
GoodBoi1: You still don't understand my point. The quality of life we are manifesting is far far below what we carry. Like how many souls are being saved? Nigeria is regarded the most religious country in the world, made of good number of Christians, and at the same time one of the most corrupt. This is an anomaly. The Church is not showing the standard correctly. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by sacx: 5:38pm On May 12, 2019 |
GoodBoi1: I dare to say rather, if you have Life (the life of God), you are pleasing to him. We don't seem to fully understand the investment God made in us when he gave us his Spirit. It's an eternal investment. The new covenant is not between God and men (many) as many think. It is between God and his Son, Christ. You are a partaker of the new covenant because you are in Christ. You are Christ. You are pleasing to him. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 5:40pm On May 12, 2019 |
femi4:You want a scripture? Luk 15:28-31: "And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and entreated him. And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends: But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf. And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine ." There was even no time when the prodigal vson lost his sonship If the elder son has ALL, what does the prodigal son has? Interestingly, you quoted a scripture to assent to my position Phil2:13 for it is [b] God ,(not even me) who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.[/b] 1 Like |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by xtgozie(m): 5:41pm On May 12, 2019 |
pressplay411: You don't think you are born again..... I know I am born again, not because I don't lie, steal, womanize, etc.... I know because he told me it (sin) finished and o believed and that's it. So, nothing on earth can separate me from the love of God. Not what I do, or didn't do! His blood is express : Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by sacx: 5:43pm On May 12, 2019 |
femi4: That scripture didn't say we work with God's help. It says God does the work ![]() The work flows effortlessly from us. It is God that do them. You should know this if you enjoy intimacy with the Holy Spirit. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by biggy26: 5:43pm On May 12, 2019 |
Yinyeon:You are correct in your submission, but it's not the Holy Spirit that's in constant conflict with the flesh, but the human recreated spirit. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by xtgozie(m): 5:47pm On May 12, 2019 |
Yinyeon: John 15:16 NIV You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit--fruit that will last--and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by sacx: 5:55pm On May 12, 2019 |
GoodBoi1: Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Have you seen this passage in scripture before? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by biggy26: 5:56pm On May 12, 2019 |
pressplay411:You have lots of error in your message and understanding of the scriptures. Don't be a workman that wrongly divides the word of truth. Study with the help of the Holy Spirit, ask Him for wisdom and guidance, and He will teach you all things. Lastly, never be in a hurry to teach, wisdom can also be found in silence. 1 Like |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by xtgozie(m): 5:58pm On May 12, 2019 |
shadeyinka: oboy, nothing can take away my salvation, nothing, because I've been predestined, justified, sanctified |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by sacx: 5:58pm On May 12, 2019 |
biggy26: Where in scripture did you find that God recreated the human Spirit, and at what point in time did he give it to him? There is one Spirit sir. |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by femi4: 5:58pm On May 12, 2019 |
sacx:Go back and read again, that's English It is "God who works in us" modifys " both to will and to work" for his good pleasure |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by sacx: 6:01pm On May 12, 2019 |
femi4: So who is doing the work? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by shadeyinka(m): 6:02pm On May 12, 2019 |
xtgozie:You hit the right word PREDESTINED |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by femi4: 6:06pm On May 12, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Comprehension issue His father told him his inheritance is with him. Read other version for eye opener If the prodigal son didn't lose his status, how come he wasn't recognised in a strange land and treated accordingly |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by femi4: 6:07pm On May 12, 2019 |
sacx:So there is work to be done? |
Re: "Once Saved, Forever Saved": Wrong And Unscriptural! by Nobody: 6:14pm On May 12, 2019 |
femi4:At what point can a Christian lose his salvation? |
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