Democrats over last 24 hours:

- Kirsten Gillibrand says anti-abortion laws are against the Christian faith

-Pete Buttigieg compares Christianity to Islamic terrorism

-Ocasio-Cortez uses the Bible to mock Christians

-Ocasio-Cortez calls Christians “creepy” and “far-right”

stanech:
Democrats over last 24 hours:

- Kirsten Gillibrand says anti-abortion laws are against the Christian faith

-Pete Buttigieg compares Christianity to Islamic terrorism

-Ocasio-Cortez uses the Bible to mock Christians

-Ocasio-Cortez calls Christians “creepy” and “far-right”

Democrats are the most confused beings on earth.
They are anti America and anti Christ.
Going by their madness, power will never be seceded to them in the next 100years.
They should continue.

hammed71:
what do you guys think about trump new merit based plan, is it going to pass congress

What do I think about that? Exclusively brilliant, fantastic idea and common sense...
It's simple!
Good for people living in the USA legally..
You can't cheat legit Ada just to make an illegal Obi comfortable because you dont want people (moronic jejunes) out there to complain. SIMPLE COMMON SENSE!

stanech:
Democrats over last 24 hours:

- Kirsten Gillibrand says anti-abortion laws are against the Christian faith

-Pete Buttigieg compares Christianity to Islamic terrorism

-Ocasio-Cortez uses the Bible to mock Christians

-Ocasio-Cortez calls Christians “creepy” and “far-right”

Yet you see them claiming Conservatives are hateful.. But of the truth, Liberals are the racists, hateful, nagging, crazy and insane (to a large extent)


See them going to places they called poor states yet when given the opportunity to vote, they still choose people who made them flee the so-called rich zones..

I have two black friends (they've lived in America for 8yrs) just left San Francisco, California for Fargo, ND months before the midterm elections..... North Dakota ooooo.. When I asked them, thay said they were overtaxed in California.. A day before the election, behold I saw on their Timeline of one of them "Blue Wave!! Vote a Democrat to save your future"



Inasmuch as they call these Conservatives poor and uneducated, they live a comfortable life and these people are even the ones with great accommodating spirit (Tho in every 12, their must be a Judas)
They work very hard, and they have good homes with a lot of good morals they teach their kids.. The values they bring up to their homes similar to the ones my parents taught me... They believe in working rather than food stamps... Check out their youths in CPAC (very reserved).. They look different from the youths in those areas people deem rich.. At the end of the day, a drug addict and a foolishhhh idiottt that thinks everything should be free will wake up after taking a whole lot of drugs and call people uneducated, naive and poor..


There are large number of non Americans schooling in USM, MSU and some other Universities here and they are treated with kindness by these Whites (mostly Conservatives)
I believed a lot of things before I came to America.. Someone even said slavery still exists! They told me I'd be racially abused be it in North Dakota or Mississippi.. I got to this place with that narrative but I found out that ife n'ile bu so asi..

Temple1288:


Yet you see them claiming Conservatives are hateful.. But of the truth, Liberals are the racists, hateful, nagging, crazy and insane (to a large extent)


See them going to places they called poor states yet when given the opportunity to vote, they still choose people who made them flee the so-called rich zones..

I have two black friends (they've lived in America for 8yrs) just left San Francisco, California for Fargo, ND months before the midterm elections..... North Dakota ooooo.. When I asked them, thay said they were overtaxed in California.. A day before the election, behold I saw on their Timeline of one of them "Blue Wave!! Vote a Democrat to save your future"



Inasmuch as they call these Conservatives poor and uneducated, they live a comfortable life and these people are even the ones with great accommodating spirit (Tho in every 12, their must be a Judas)
They work very hard, and they have good homes with a lot of good morals they teach their kids.. The values they bring up to their homes similar to the ones my parents taught me... They believe in working rather than food stamps... Check out their youths in CPAC (very reserved).. They look different from the youths in those areas people deem rich.. At the end of the day, a drug addict and a foolishhhh idiottt that thinks everything should be free will wake up after taking a whole lot of drugs and call people uneducated, naive and poor..


There are large number of non Americans schooling in USM, MSU and some other Universities here and they are treated with kindness by these Whites (mostly Conservatives)
I believed a lot of things before I came to America.. Someone even said slavery still exists! They told me I'd be racially abused be it in North Dakota or Mississippi.. I got to this place with that narrative but I found out that ife n'ile bu so asi..

Whole lot of garbage!!!

Another white male shooting.

Kophschmerzen:
Another white male shooting.

Didn't the pro life gun policies help? What a surprise!

BraniacX:
my point is technical, a baby already born can't be aborted! Simple, you can kill it terminate an already born baby but the term abort is for unborn children exclusively! So when you try to make a point, ere on the si[sub][/sub]de of facts please

My point was valid, it's you with your dry sense of humour who should be erring on the side of careful observation. Go back to p.213 and observe that I used 'aborting' in quotes suggesting it's a kind of metaphor for all those possible jeopardies to the baby you mentioned (kill, terminate etc). After all, those harms will be happening to the baby as 'procedures' in an ABORTION clinic.

Temple1288:


What do I think about that? Exclusively brilliant, fantastic idea and common sense...
It's simple!
Good for people living in the USA legally..
You can't cheat legit Ada just to make an illegal Obi comfortable because you dont want people (moronic jejunes) out there to complain. SIMPLE COMMON SENSE!

if Congress passes it,when will it start or be effective?

President Trump’s trade tactics are working.

Stanley Black & Decker is shifting production from China to the United States with a new $90 million dollar plant in Texas.

This means 500 new jobs for Americans!

zendi:

My point was valid, it's you with your dry sense of humour who should be erring on the side of careful observation. Go back to p.213 and observe that I used 'aborting' in quotes suggesting it's a kind of metaphor for all those possible jeopardies to the baby you mentioned (kill, terminate etc). After all, those harms will be happening to the baby as 'procedures' in an ABORTION clinic.

alright, I get your presentation, then again, I will like to understand what harm you construe as being done to "already born babies" supported by progressives as according to you, I hope i am not missing another metaphor

Smh

Justin Amash the congressman from Michigan is the first GOP politician to call for Drumpf impeachment in public.

Bernie Sanders says his brand of socialism isn't like Venezuela's

But Venezuela VOTED for:

Universal healthcare

Government-run banking

Abolishing gun rights

Bernie is running on:

Universal healthcare

Government-run banking

Abolishing gun rights

Socialism will NEVER work!

BraniacX:
alright, I get your presentation, then again, I will like to understand what harm you construe as being done to "already born babies" supported by progressives as according to you, I hope i am not missing another metaphor

BraniacX:

What narrative are you sprouting here? how can you "abort" an "already born" baby?
Educate me on the logic behind your comment!

And i think the string of anti-abortion bills is to provoke litigation that will end in the Supreme Court which republican appointees now dominate and eventually rescind roe vs wade

Stop trying to act dumb, you know to well what he is talking about. The current talking point among the lunatic liberals in the US to give a mother a right to kill an already born child if she decides she doesn't like the child and doesn't want to keep it. Yes, that's where the lunatics are at the moment, infanticide is the newest stupidity that the idiots are pushing for

stanech:
Bernie Sanders says his brand of socialism isn't like Venezuela's

But Venezuela VOTED for:

Universal healthcare

Government-run banking

Abolishing gun rights

Bernie is running on:

Universal healthcare

Government-run banking

Abolishing gun rights

Socialism will NEVER work !

But socialism is working in the following countries;
Denmark
Ecuador
Finland
France
Germany
Greenland
Iceland

Anduku:

Stop trying to act dumb, you know to well what he is talking about. The current talking point among the lunatic liberals in the US to give a mother a right to kill an already born child if she decides she doesn't like the child and doesn't want to keep it. Yes, that's where the lunatics are at the moment, infanticide is the newest stupidity that the idiots are pushing for

Killing an already born child is termed murder and not abortion. A fetus becomes a baby (a legal person) the minute it leaves it's mother's womb and is capable of independent existence.

wirinet:

Killing an already born child is termed murder and not abortion. A fetus becomes a baby (a legal person) the minute it leaves it's mother's womb and is capable of independent existence.

Okay, agreed, language technicality is not my point. But pro-choice extremists now want such murders in the services available to mothers who so choose in abortion clinics in the event the baby is born alive, which is why I call them New Age Barbarians,.

zendi:

Okay, agreed, language technicality is not my point. But pro-choice extremists now want such murders in the services available to mothers who so choose in abortion clinics in the event the baby is born alive, which is why I call them New Age Barbarians,.

As I said killing a baby immediately after leaving the womb is murder in any jurisdiction is murder. No law can change that.
The bone of contention among proponents and opponents of abortion is when the fetus becomes a biological and moral baby. Some say it's immediately after conception, others say it is when the first heartbeat is detected, others still say it's when the baby draws it's first air.

wirinet:

As I said killing a baby immediately after leaving the womb is murder I any jurisdiction is murder. No law can change that.
The bone of contention among proponents and opponents of abortion is when the fetus becomes a biological and moral baby. Some say it's immediately after conception, others say it is when the first heartbeat is detected, others still say it's when the baby draws it's first air.

I'm not a doctor, but common sense tells me it's from first heartbeat. You can't declare somebody dead whose heart is beating. Before the heartbeat, and at any other point when the mother is faced with health risk, I am open to abortion for those who chose. It's madness to claim a baby who somehow stubbornly survived the aborting efforts still poses a risk to the mother as some infanticiders are claiming.
Finally, rape should not be accepted for exception, except in clear cases of armed robbery or terrorist attacks. Otherwise any woman who wishes to abort will just claim raped. Sexual encounters have no witnesses.

zendi:

I'm not a doctor, but commonsense tells me it's from first heartbeat. You can't declare somebody dead whose heart is beating. Before the heartbeat, and at any other point when the mother is faced with health risk, I am open to abortion for those chose. It's madness to claim a baby who somehow stubbornly survived the aborting efforts still poses a risk to the mother as some infanticiders claiming.
Finally, rape should not be accepted for exception, except in clear cases of armed robbery or terrorist attacks. Otherwise any woman who wishes to abort will just claim raped. Sexual encounters have no witnesses.

As I said, it's a matter of opinion of when a fetus becomes a baby. The only argument of prolifers is religious, nothing else.
Outside that, the real reason mostly men are against abortion is to control women sexuality. They reason that any woman that commit sexual sin should have a baby by force as punishment.

My opinion is that no one has the right to dictate to a woman to have a baby she does not want. Furthermore, no man has the right to tell a woman to remain chaste until she is married. Even at that no one has the right to force a married woman to have a baby she and her husband does not want for any reason. The choice of going through the pains of pregnancy, giving birth to the baby and raising the baby should be left to the woman and her spouse/partner and not the society, especially if the society is not ready to help in raising and caring for the baby. You will be surprised at the number of married couples that opt for abortion because they do not want any more children.

Having said that, I am also against late term abortions. It is more painful and dangerous to the woman's health and can inflict long term damage to the womb. So my own view is that late term abortion can be banned, maybe from after the first trimester. Any woman that found her self pregnant and does not want to keep the baby should make up her mind within 3 months.

wirinet:


As I said, it's a matter of opinion of when a fetus becomes a baby. The only argument of prolifers is religious, nothing else.
Outside that, the real reason mostly men are against abortion is to control women sexuality. They reason that any woman that commit sexual sin should have a baby by force as punishment.

My opinion is that no one has the right to dictate to a woman to have a baby she does not want. Furthermore, no man has the right to tell a woman to remain chaste until she is married. Even at that no one has the right to force a married woman to have a baby she and her husband does not want for any reason. The choice of going through the pains of pregnancy, giving birth to the baby and raising the baby should be left to the woman and her spouse/partner and not the society, especially if the society is not ready to help in raising and caring for the baby. You will be surprised at the number of married couples that opt for abortion because they do not want any more children.

Having said that, I am also against late term abortions. It is more painful and dangerous to the woman's health and can inflict long term damage to the womb. So my own view is that late term abortion can be banned, maybe from after the first trimester. Any woman that found her self pregnant and does not want to keep the baby should make up her mind within 3 months.

If you ask most of these so-called male pro-lifers to use reversible vasectomy they will refuse, use condom they will refuse. However if it's to legislate on a woman's body that is when they start thumping the Bible they don't read.

Nature has so decided that the woman bears the consequences of unprotected sex. Not society, not men, just the woman involved. It is wickedness bordering on witchcraft to suggest she doesn't have a say in a fetus that is growing in her body and directly dependent on her and her alone for survival

wirinet:


As I said, it's a matter of opinion of when a fetus becomes a baby. The only argument of prolifers is religious, nothing else.
Outside that, the real reason mostly men are against abortion is to control women sexuality. They reason that any woman that commit sexual sin should have a baby by force as punishment.

My opinion is that no one has the right to dictate to a woman to have a baby she does not want. Furthermore, no man has the right to tell a woman to remain chaste until she is married. Even at that no one has the right to force a married woman to have a baby she and her husband does not want for any reason. The choice of going through the pains of pregnancy, giving birth to the baby and raising the baby should be left to the woman and her spouse/partner and not the society, especially if the society is not ready to help in raising and caring for the baby. You will be surprised at the number of married couples that opt for abortion because they do not want any more children.

Having said that, I am also against late term abortions. It is more painful and dangerous to the woman's health and can inflict long term damage to the womb. So my own view is that late term abortion can be banned, maybe from after the first trimester. Any woman that found her self pregnant and does not want to keep the baby should make up her mind within 3 months.

I am a man, religious and a prolifer, generally, but not strictly for religious reasons. Otherwise I would be opposed to abortion under any circumstance. I believe, as stated in earier post, that from the detection of heartbeat, life has started and life, it seems to me, is more than something we should be creating and discarding wantonly. Better a woman adopts strict contraceptive measures to bypass the need for chastity. Your second idea that men want to punish promiscuity by saddling women with pregnancy I find so ridiculous, even hilarious that I'm still laughing. But I understand you might be existing in an environment where child bearing is regarded as drudgery, yet immigrant children are made so sacred that when an infant dragged through the wilderness by the supposed parent dies near the border, the national outrage will drown the wails of citizen parents whose kids also died in hospitals around the country that day.

zendi:

I am a man, religious and a prolifer, generally, but not strictly for religious reasons. Otherwise I would be opposed to abortion under any circumstance. I believe, as stated in earier post, that from the detection of heartbeat, life has started and life, it seems to me, is more than something we should be creating and discarding wantonly. Better a woman adopts strict contraceptive measures to bypass the need for chastity. Your second idea that men want to punish promiscuity by saddling women with pregnancy I find so ridiculous, even hilarious that I'm still laughing. But I understand you might be existing in an environment where child bearing is regarded as drudgery, yet immigrant children are made so sacred that when an infant dragged through the wilderness by the supposed parent dies near the border, the national outrage will drown the wails of citizen parents whose kids also died in hospitals around the country that day.

Obviously you are a religious man, most prolifers are are religious men

No contraceptive is 100% safe. What happens if the contraceptive fails. You know that the chances of birth defects are higher with fail contraceptive drugs.

Why put all the responsibility of pregnancy on the women, since you guys are keen on controlling whether a woman keeps or abort a baby. Why not impose some responsibilities on the men also. Men should also take contraceptives, and any man that gets a woman pregnant and not ready to marry her or share the pain of raising the child should be punished too.


You are using the old age tactics of emotional blackmail to justify imposing your personal moral views on society. What concern infants dieing at the border with the abortion debate, except you are insinuating the baby died at the border before birth.
First of all not all women want children, it might surprise you to know that some women view pregnancy and children bearing and raising as drudgery. Quit trying to impose your personal view on other, it will make you no different from ISIS.

wirinet:

Killing an already born child is termed murder and not abortion. A fetus becomes a baby (a legal person) the minute it leaves it's mother's womb and is capable of independent existence.

In New York, when a child escaped abortion, the mother can still request the child killed within 24hrs.. Anduku is trying to explain to you what's happening and you don't seem to understand.

wirinet:

As I said killing a baby immediately after leaving the womb is murder in any jurisdiction is murder. No law can change that.
The bone of contention among proponents and opponents of abortion is when the fetus becomes a biological and moral baby. Some say it's immediately after conception, others say it is when the first heartbeat is detected, others still say it's when the baby draws it's first air.

Now go back and read about the Law Gov. Cuomo signed into law

Anduku:

The current talking point among the lunatic liberals in the US to give a mother a right to kill an already born child if she decides she doesn't like the child and doesn't want to keep it. Yes, that's where the lunatics are at the moment, infanticide is the newest stupidity that the idiots are pushing for

Give evidence for this and make me a Trumpian please.

Temple1288:



In New York, when a child escaped abortion, the mother can still request the child killed within 24hrs.. Anduku is trying to explain to you what's happening and you don't seem to understand.

I am in Lagos, so I would not know much about new York state laws, but if a law is enacted that allows new borns to be killed within 24hrs of birth, then that law should he challenged at the courts.
That law would be unconstitutional, as the US constitution provides for rights to life for all legal persons. Once a baby leaves, the womb, it becomes an independent legal citizen. The law would be termed legislative murder.

I am trying to imagine how the law was supposed to work. Does the mother just stab the baby with a kitchen knife or give the baby poison. Maybe she throws the baby down a bridge. The mother does not need a doctor to murder her baby.

Anduku:

Stop trying to act dumb, you know to well what he is talking about. The current talking point among the lunatic liberals in the US to give a mother a right to kill an already born child if she decides she doesn't like the child and doesn't want to keep it. Yes, that's where the lunatics are at the moment, infanticide is the newest stupidity that the idiots are pushing for

Paranoia is a serious mental disorder. Google it and then try to get help. You need it.

Temple1288:



In New York, when a child escaped abortion, the mother can still request the child killed within 24hrs.. Anduku is trying to explain to you what's happening and you don't seem to understand.

Even Trumpanzees can't be that st*pid to believe it.

Temple1288:



In New York, when a child escaped abortion, the mother can still request the child killed within 24hrs.. Anduku is trying to explain to you what's happening and you don't seem to understand.

Anduku should provide evidence for his claim that "the mother can still request the child killed within 24hrs". Some of us just don't believe anything without evidence!

wirinet:

I am in Lagos, so I would not know much about new York state laws, but if a law is enacted that allows new borns to be killed within 24hrs of birth, then that law should he challenged at the courts.
That law would be unconstitutional, as the US constitution provides for rights to life for all legal persons. Once a baby leaves, the womb, it becomes an independent legal citizen. The law would be termed legislative murder.

I am trying to imagine how the law was supposed to work. Does the mother just stab the baby with a kitchen knife or give the baby poison. Maybe she throws the baby down a bridge. The mother does not need a doctor to murder her baby.

Stop taking these drunkards serious, no law like that. The NY law are for kids with little or no chance of survival due to fatal congenital abnormalities.