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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Mbakuthegreat: 11:05am On May 29, 2019
zendi:

I wrote 'persecution' and in your reply you attached 'genocide' to it. The perception from abroad is that the minority whites are under persecution, or oppression in SA and it's under that sentiment that Trump tweeted his sympathy.
Btw, I'm not a South African. When I said we fought for majority rule, I meant the 'we' in Pan-African sense.

He twitted because he was under the perception that white people in S.A were suffering from a white genocide, that’s what was trending in regards to the issues in S.A, white people suffering from white genocide. Blacks in S.A are chumps and still to this day let themselves be subjugated to racism by indians, asians and whites. In cape town they are hunted down and racially targeted by coloured cops. Black people will always settle with token progress due to low IQ which is why blacks in U.S and S.A are where they are, at the bottom of their society.

And again i don’t know which countries your talking about but all colonies where whites lived and blacks fought for their independence they were considered fighting for black supramacy. Here is Kenyatta securing the worries of white settlers in Kenya that they would be okay after putting kenyans in camps, raping kenyan women and all the attrocities that followed against kenyans in their fight for independence. You see the white interviewer ask him to condem mau mau for using violence but dont say anything about the violence they were using against the local people? White people will use violence to get what they need but tell others to be peaceful when trying to receive back what they lost:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dyeaTk8S-Y
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 2:08pm On May 29, 2019
Lynch Accuses Comey Of Lying.

DECLASSIFICATION'S are going to make them eat each other alive...



Popcorn folks

grin grin grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 4:30pm On May 29, 2019
MUELLER "IF WE HAD CONFIDENCE THE PRESIDENT CLEARLY DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME,WE WOULD HAVE SAID SO"' grin grin grin

That means he did commit a crime..
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CTPlayer: 4:48pm On May 29, 2019
happney65:
MUELLER "IF WE HAD CONFIDENCE THE PRESIDENT CLEARLY DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME,WE WOULD HAVE SAID SO"' grin grin grin

That means he did commit a crime..

Mueller: “If we had confidence that the president had committed a crime, we would have said so,” -- “Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 5:13pm On May 29, 2019
Mueller: “If we had confidence that the president had committed a crime, we would have said so,” -- “Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”



So what is this crime? grin grin grin grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 5:19pm On May 29, 2019
Nothing changes from the Mueller Report. There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed! Thank you.


Now it’s time to turn to the origins of the Russia hoax and get to the bottom of why the Trump campaign was spied on by the Obama-era DOJ and FBI.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 5:24pm On May 29, 2019
Special Counsel Robert Mueller made it very clear that his report is definitive and he has no intention to testify before Congress. It is well past time for Democrats to move on from this madness.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 5:27pm On May 29, 2019
If Mueller wanted to he could have said Trump was guilty but he never one time said that I wonder why??

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 5:30pm On May 29, 2019
Mueller did not say the president committed a crime. A prosecutor does not wallow in ambiguity it is either you have a case or you dont. \


Impeachment is a political process.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 5:31pm On May 29, 2019
Mueller, in First Comments on Russia Inquiry, Declines to Clear Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/us/politics/mueller-special-counsel.html

WASHINGTON — Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, on Wednesday declined to clear President Trump of obstruction of justice in his first public characterization of his two-year-long investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election.

“If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mr. Mueller said, reading from prepared notes behind a lectern at the Justice Department. “We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.”

He also said that while Justice Department policy prohibits charging a sitting president with a crime, the Constitution provides for another process to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing — a clear reference to the ability of Congress to begin impeachment proceedings.

Although his remarks closely matched statements contained in his nearly 400-page report, Mr. Mueller’s portrayal of Mr. Trump’s actions was not as benign as Attorney General William P. Barr’s characterizations. While Mr. Barr has seemed to question why the special counsel investigated the president’s behavior, Mr. Mueller stressed the gravity of that inquiry.

“When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of their government’s effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable,” he said.

Mr. Mueller also stressed that the evidence his team uncovered of Russia’s effort to interfere with the 2016 presidential election was a threat to the nation’s political system and “deserves the attention of every American.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller-to-make-first-public-comment-on-russia-probe-11559137275?mod=hp_lead_pos3&mod=article_inline&mod=hp_lead_pos1
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 5:33pm On May 29, 2019
stanech:
Mueller did not say the president committed a crime. A prosecutor does not wallow in ambiguity it is either you have a case or you dont. \


Impeachment is a political process.


…essentially Trump is guilty but he (Mueller) can’t charge him because of DoJ policy of not indicting a sitting president…. rather his report laid out plenty of evidence for impeachment and removal, which is the job of the Congress'...

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 5:43pm On May 29, 2019
TheShopKeeper:



…essentially Trump is guilty but he (Mueller) can’t charge him because of DoJ policy of not indicting a sitting president…. rather his report laid out plenty of evidence for impeachment and removal, which is the job of the Congress'...
Gbam! Muller is saying indirectly, that the job of indicting a sitting president lies with the Congress and not with a special (not independent ) council appointed by the DoJ. He is simply saying congress, the ball is in your court.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by zendi: 6:10pm On May 29, 2019
happney65:
MUELLER "IF WE HAD CONFIDENCE THE PRESIDENT CLEARLY DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME,WE WOULD HAVE SAID SO"' grin grin grin
eller
That means he did commit a crime..
What crime ? Mueller trying to revive and perpetuate the collusion hoax?. Assisted by 12 anti-Trump lawyers and empowered with nearly unlimited resources, he had an eternity of fishing expedition to fish out a crime and failed. Mueller should climb his Trump-hate horse and vanish away into the sunset while Trump remains innocent unless proved otherwise.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by zendi: 6:25pm On May 29, 2019
wirinet:

Gbam! Muller is saying indirectly, that the job of indicting a sitting president lies with the Congress and not with a special (not independent ) council appointed by the DoJ. He is simply saying congress, the ball is in your court.
Why say it indirectly. Why not say the president committed a crime but my hands are tied to act. America is not a shithole country where the President could make him just disappear.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 6:43pm On May 29, 2019
TheShopKeeper:



…essentially Trump is guilty but he (Mueller) can’t charge him because of DoJ policy of not indicting a sitting president…. rather his report laid out plenty of evidence for impeachment and removal, which is the job of the Congress'...

Then list the crime. What is this crime and where is the evidence?

He had two years to do this shitttt.. At least let us know your findings

fyi
Barr stated that he asked Mueller on 3 separate occasions if the reason he failed to charge Trump was because of the long standing concensus that you can't charge a sitting president and all 3 times Mueller said no. Today he said that was exactly why he didn't! Lying bastard.


also
Mueller isn't stupid. He would never willingly appear before Congress for questioning. If under oath, he KNOWS he'd be up shit creek

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 6:47pm On May 29, 2019
Mueller was unfair in saying his investigation could not clear Trump of obstructing the Russian investigation. If you are not implicated by evidence in a criminal matter, you are cleared. That’s how it works

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 7:16pm On May 29, 2019
stanech:
Mueller was unfair in saying his investigation could not clear Trump of obstructing the Russian investigation. If you are not implicated by evidence in a criminal matter, you are cleared. That’s how it works
GBAM!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 7:21pm On May 29, 2019
stanech:
Mueller was unfair in saying his investigation could not clear Trump of obstructing the Russian investigation. If you are not implicated by evidence in a criminal matter, you are cleared. That’s how it works
GBAM! It was either he had a case or not, A prosecutor'a job is to indict. The Game is Over already. One thing is for sure the liberal media, Democrats and liberals will try to twist his statements as usual. Mueller spoke like he was about to cry grin grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 7:26pm On May 29, 2019
TheShopKeeper:



…[b]essentially Trump is guilty but he (Mueller) can’t charge him because of DoJ policy of not indicting a sitting president…. rather his report laid out plenty of evidence for impeachment and removal, which is the job of the Congress'...[/b]
Ken Star unequivocally declared Bill Clinton "Guilty" 11 times, Mueller was just wallowing in ambiguity, here and there. Pls tell us the crimes, we're still waiting

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 7:36pm On May 29, 2019
obixcel:
GBAM! It was either he had a case or not, A prosecutor'a job is to indict. The Game is Over already. One thing is for sure the liberal media, Democrats and liberals will try to twist his statements as usual. Mueller spoke like he was about to cry grin grin


Exactly this is a witch hunt it has always been. Everyone who has been indicted so far has been indicted on crimes that has nothing to do with the Russian nonsense.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 7:42pm On May 29, 2019
CTPlayer:


Mueller: “If we had confidence that the president had committed a crime, we would have said so,” -- “Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”
Of course he didn't have confidence - confidence in the believability of his (Mueller) own Lies cheesy

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Kophschmerzen: 7:42pm On May 29, 2019
Anybody with working brain cells would have known Trump committed crime. The same crime is why Cohen is locked in a penitentiary, after his inglorious time in the W.H. He's definitely heading to the big house.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 7:54pm On May 29, 2019
Things that didn’t change today:

- There was no collusion
- There was no obstruction
- The entire foundation of the “investigation” was based on lies
- Comey is still a leaker
- Trump is still President
- The country is stronger/safer/more prosperous than perhaps ever before

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 7:55pm On May 29, 2019
zendi:

Why say it indirectly. Why not say the president committed a crime but my hands are tied to act. America is not a shithole country where the President could make him just disappear.
Because his brief is to determine if Russia interfered with the 2016 US elections and if Trump or his campaigned colluded with the Russians. Any other crime discovered was referred to appropriate authorities.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 8:17pm On May 29, 2019
Mueller WANTS President Trump impeached.
Only problem is this.
The President hasn’t committed any crimes, nor any impeachable offenses!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 8:18pm On May 29, 2019
It would have been simple enough for him to say "we had plenty of evidence and wanted to indict but could not". He didn't say it because those aren't the facts. So he throws around some weak innuendo as a final "kiss" towards Trump and exits for private life. #nothingburger

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 8:27pm On May 29, 2019
Barr gets the power to declassify, and within 72 hours
Comey writes a hysterical op-ed and #Mueller tries to muddy the waters.

That's fear

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 8:34pm On May 29, 2019
Mueller is a coward.

Ken Starr plainly stated the laws Bill Clinton broke.

Mueller had no case and is too pompous to admit defeat so he clouded the presumption of innocence for a political second bite at the apple.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by armyofone(m): 8:36pm On May 29, 2019
stanech:
Mueller: “If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime, we would have said so,” -- “Charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”

Fixed according to Mr. Mueller's transcript.

So what is this crime? grin grin grin grin



Lol, why are you changing what Mueller said ?

"Confidence that president had clearly not committed a crime " was omitted from yours, why ?
Anyway, about time everyone let go now.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Nobody: 9:25pm On May 29, 2019
"If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so." Mueller

Total exoneration. grin grin

That's why Donny has been pushing for a release of the entire report. grin

See how innocent men behave. wink

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 9:48pm On May 29, 2019
stanech:
Mueller is a coward.

Ken Starr plainly stated the laws Bill Clinton broke.

Mueller had no case and is too pompous to admit defeat so he clouded the presumption of innocence for a political second bite at the apple.
Comparing apples to oranges. Ken Starr was and independent council, while Robert Mueller was a special (dependent on the DoJ) council. Ken Starr had the powers to indict, Mueller had to submit his report and findings to the DoJ.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 10:20pm On May 29, 2019
stanech:

If Mueller wanted to he could have said Trump was guilty but he never one time said that I wonder why??
Judge Mueller, right?

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