LarryBee1k:


It's better to move on and be depressed over what you can't have. I don't blame them. When 80 percent of girls want only top 20 percent of men. Ain't that a biitch?

thebosstrevor:


former PUAs are red pills and mgtow preachers now...

red pills and mgtow advocate for men changing their personality, how to get women and all sort of ludacris advice on what to do to get women, basically, all these methods means personality modifications with the aim of attracting women..why modify yourself, if you believe you are superior to women....why act the way women want, if you think you are superior to her, why do you have to get obsessed about women sexuality, if you are really going your own way, why must you act like a thug, why must you be bad boy to interest women...it shows that even with slogan women are whores, the followers still respect women, they are jealous of women and instead of them to learn how to be a better person in their own lives, they take all their time and emotions towards negativity, they are like little kids without direction...if a woman hurt you as a rule, you move on..i think there is a need for the movement to control women and when they cant achieve it..they result into complaining and nagging like the women they abuse...

i have read about great men in history and i have never seen any of them obsessed and nag all days about women way of life.. rather women are wanting to know more about them.

lilwetdick:


...they will urinate in front of women because of the nonsense they read daily....

bigpriik:


op don't judge or criticize what you don't understand in dremos voice with the trash you posted up there is simply obvious you don't understand the whole concept sorry bro advance your thinking ability.

LarryBee1k:


"It is with pity to say that red pill and mgtow have created a system where men are scared of women,"

Redpill teaches how to women behave physically and psychologically in contrary to how men are taught from young age. Mgtow avoid women generally


"they create a scenario where they present women in a God like fashion that need to be pleased before she can accept them as a man into her bossom,"

Wrong! Not correct

"Many boys on nairaland because of their lack of game and the inability to interact with women have taken solace in the church of so called red pils and mgtow here on Nairaland"

Wrong again. They seek how to understand women like understanding their subtle signals and so on UBUNJA is doing a great job there

"what they hear from these red pills and mgtow preachers on nairlaand is how women are evil, women are the gate keepers and all sort of nonsense, they read these nonsense and end up contacting the a very great phobia called Gynophobia"

Again you join redpill and mgtow together and they're not the same!

I can't go on. A lot in topic is wrong. Separate mgtow from red pill and the perception in your write up is wrong. Redpill is good for men. Mgtow they've there own reasons (most are white). Good night. Just read mgtow and redpill and you'll see they're not the same.

ekochris:


They're not being 'bad' to impress women...an average man is born a 'bad boy' by societal classification. Its years of scolding and bullying by parents (mostly mothers), sunday school teachers, kindergaten teachers amongst others that suppresses this natural instinct in men and whip them to become 'gentlemen' who have been trained to attach higher values to women.

So if men have to go their own, they have to undo this societal programming and restore to their default setting...the way mother nature made them to be.


I know women will kick against the redpill, because it reveals the ugly truth that have been covered by pretty lies....it just baffles me how some men can't see the handwriting on the wall.

Regiomontanus:
@lilwetdick.

I didn't expect this from you. Martinez39 and ubunja were right about you afterall. If you are intelligent and honest, do your research on the MGTOW movement instead of coming up with a misrepresentation of the movement that stems from ignorance. If you can be ignorant of something as basic as the origin and reasons for the MGTOW movement then you can't expect to be taken seriously on this issue.

If you were a woman, I would have passed this off as deliberate shaming tactics but shall I call you a simp or white knight? Please do your research.

ibkayee:
‘Going their way’ but dedicate most of their time obsessing over women and relationships

When you’re truly going your way you will forget about these women and channel that energy into focusing on growth/your goals/self betterment etc

Nothing wrong with taking a sabbatical from relationships for self improvement, but the majority of MGOTW just sound like bitter men who probably got a sour deal in a marriage and/or low tier undesirable men who can’t get the girls they want

lilwetdick:


dude stop writing garbage to me...i think you need validation of 2 unknown men to tackle me..mr i dont care about people's opinion..that is the difference between men and you..i am my own man

all red pills movement and MGTOW are all the same, they all came from the same school of thoought..so called red pill listeners are MGTOW..who claim they are going their own way

Regiomontanus:
I can't for the life of me, see how saying two men were right about you implies that I need their validation — a complete non sequitur. Also, I never said you lived off the validation of anyone. It becomes clearer with each write up that Martinez39 and Ubunja were right about you. You are defensive and personal about opposing views, criticism and guilt of logical lapses.

Ineffable ignorance. Please do your research. Good day.

ekochris:


They're not being 'bad' to impress women...an average man is born a 'bad boy' by societal classification. Its years of scolding and bullying by parents (mostly mothers), sunday school teachers, kindergaten teachers amongst others that suppresses this natural instinct in men and whip them to become 'gentlemen' who have been trained to attach higher values to women.

So if men have to go their own, they have to undo this societal programming and restore to their default setting...the way mother nature made them to be.


I know women will kick against the redpill, because it reveals the ugly truth that have been covered by pretty lies....it just baffles me how some men can't see the handwriting on the wall.

ImaIma1:


Have you used it?

ikhileomotayo:


Ibk baby. First time I am seeing you write paragraphs, a distant cry from your usual lol,hahaha

Nice

AwkaetitiBabe:
Is this some sort of movement to encourage homosexuality?

lukui:
I am presently reading a book its called the manipulated man by Esther villar if you can understand what i have read so far from this book, you will start to know how much I now hate women

you are thinking who wrote the book abi?

she is a woman!!!!!

lukui:
I am presently reading a book its called the manipulated man by Esther villar if you can understand what i have read so far from this book, you will start to know how much I now hate women

you are thinking who wrote the book abi?

she is a woman!!!!!

ekochris:

The funny thing is that if you look at all the posts by Ubunja, no matter how u try to deny or castigate it, deep down.....you know he's saying the truth. Logically and empirically....but I guess not all men can be saved.

#sayonara

pansophist:


Indeed, not all men can be saved.

For those criticizing mgtow and the red pill (not that I agree with most of their doctrine), can you point out any of their arguments that are false? Nairaland is packed with grown babies who just criticize without analyzing. I have taken my time to go through the arguments of the redpillers, and the only thing I do not agree with is the concept of ''plate spinning theory'', and judging the value of women only on their looks and youthfulness. Every other thing they said is legit, such as mentoring men to get better by hitting the gym, improving their career, and understanding female nature. How is that hate? they are guys that refused to accept the lies society has brainwashed them with, and try to decipher the truth through empiricism, and personal observation. Furthermore, there are also Red pill women, their subreddit thread has about 35,000 members, with thousands other contributors advising women on the true nature of men, society, love, and how to get quality men.

About MGTOWs, in my views, they are men that refuse to play the game of a society infiltrated by misandrist masked under feminism, in as much as I do not agree with their solution, I can understand them. They are men that have checked out of society and hate how it has gone to the dogs, there are also the female versions known as wgtow. Some of their arguments are that workplace death is disproportionately men, war death, overwhelmingly men, suicide, sentencing disparity, life expectancy, child custody, child support, false rape allegation, court bias, misandry, boys falling behind in education, homelessness, veteran issues, male mutilation, lack of parental choice, lack of resources for male victims, the issues are many, the hypocrisy of feminism etc. For example in the US, there are thousands of shelter homes for victims of domestic violence for women, but only just one for men. How about prostate cancer that affects mostly men, but has less funding than breast cancer that affects only women?

It is the refusal to listen, empathize, and not see the other as the enemy is the problem, hence, the growth of mgtows. Listen, analyze, dont just insult. Before you criticize these people, take time to listen to their arguments, that is how you grow. Ad-hominem is recourse for the weak. Stop it. And funmisticqueen said they get the lowest of the girls, you must be kidding. I live in the west, and my past CEO is a redpill man, and the kind of women he gets, you won't dare. He is in his 40's and completely ripped, rich, handsome and understands female nature. Stop deluding yourself thinking they are losers. They are just smart and not like the sissy victims crying on nairaland when a girl left them, they simply replace them, simple.

Now before anyone quote me, I will only reply if you can bring logic and not insult to the table, and I advise you read the argument of this folks before calling them women haters. Here is a video to start from by Cassey Jaye, the producer of the documentary titled REDPILL. She was like all you guys but changed her mind when she listened to them. Hear her speak.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY

lilwetdick:



Problem about you guys is you just copy anything western..can your rich boss be compared to many angry and poor looking boys here in Nigeria who are folowers of red pill and mgtow..many of them even in their 40s will never be rich or wealthy nor even create any business.

and for cassey jaye, i watched her documentary last year and it was very informative, the doc was all about men rights movement not red pill and mgtow, do you know that even the founder of voice for me Paul Elam mock MGTOW, if you watch the documentary well, the title was red pill which was a catchy title but the documentary was all about the discrimination against men by society, which i agree on and i also support... paul elam movement did not sit down and start complaining and accomodate fear, they face the issue on ground and face the feminists by also forming protest group, now the voice for men isnt fighting all women, but fighting a specific group of women who are self-fish and if you follow his podcast like i do, he talks about handling the situation, he even goes to tell men to have meaningful and respectful relationships with women and this is not what is being preached here on NL by red pill and mgtow preachers,what they preach here is total hatred, creating unneccessarily fear on young boy, makign them unable to approach women.

pansophist:


Making the same mistake of adhominem l. Can you point out their doctrine that is hate filled? And also, I want to believe that you can differentiate between the narrative, and the bias of its supporters. For example even if I acknowledge feminism in its purest sense, I can spot the misandrist masking under it.

Please dont make me repeat myself, I'm tired of going round circles. As a repetition, please point out any of the genuine concern that instigated mgtow/redpill that isn't base on fact (not adhominem). If your next reply is the same pattern as the preceding (insulting them instead of countering their argument), I'll not respond henceforth. Again, tired of going round circles.

lilwetdick:



Problem about you guys is you just copy anything western..can your rich boss be compared to many angry and poor looking boys here in Nigeria who are folowers of red pill and mgtow..many of them even in their 40s will never be rich or wealthy nor even create any business.

and for cassey jaye, i watched her documentary last year and it was very informative, the doc was all about men rights movement not red pill and mgtow, do you know that even the founder of voice for me Paul Elam mock MGTOW, if you watch the documentary well, the title was red pill which was a catchy title but the documentary was all about the discrimination against men by society, which i agree on and i also support... paul elam movement did not sit down and start complaining and accomodate fear, they face the issue on ground and face the feminists by also forming protest group, now the voice for men isnt fighting all women, but fighting a specific group of women who are self-fish and if you follow his podcast like i do, he talks about handling the situation, he even goes to tell men to have meaningful and respectful relationships with women and this is not what is being preached here on NL by red pill and mgtow preachers,what they preach here is total hatred, creating unneccessarily fear on young boy, makign them unable to approach women.

pansophist:


Making the same mistake of adhominem l. Can you point out their doctrine that is hate filled? And also, I want to believe that you can differentiate between the narrative, and the bias of its supporters.
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For example even if I acknowledge feminism in its purest sense, I can spot the misandrist masking under it.

funmisticqueen:
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the same can also be said for many mgtow in this forum. They use it to mask their misogyny and do a poor job of it.

pansophist:


So what you're implying is that you acknowledge the validity behind mgtow, but it has been infiltrated by misogynist? If yes, then I agree with you.

If not, can you debunk any of the claims that made mgtow grow in the west ? I wrote about their claim above. Debunk it

funmisticqueen:
you seem to be in the mood to argue, i am not. i have learnt to choose my battles and this is not one i will fight, especially as i do not know who you are.