The real issue is that there are many movements springing up in this modern times. Women have been championing Feminism movement. So men are now championing the redpill mgtow or whatever you call it movement.

And op for the movement you were castigating, your lamenting cannot stop anything.
I even believe Ubunja has gotten very massive following on this forum, just like feminist do there own.


So your coming online to blast them to me is more of rable rousing or just making noise.
Whatever there movement, its there right, you cannot force your own views on them


That's all I have to say here

funmisticqueen:
thank you. i cannot be bothered to answer some dumb questions anymore. The funny thing is that i do agree that men need to also fight for their rights, but fighting women is not the way.

I AM NOT A FEMINIST, I JUST LOOK OUT FOR MYSELF.

reality is many of those guys do not have any meaning in life, they think fighting women online will solve their issue and make them look strong, lets not be deceived by the machonism of some of them online..in real life they are the opposite of what they preach.

lukui:
I am presently reading a book its called the manipulated man by Esther villar if you can understand what i have read so far from this book, you will start to know how much I now hate women

you are thinking who wrote the book abi?

she is a woman!!!!!

I have read this book as well.. The book opened my eye.. The part I remember vividly was the man having to fix the girl's car.. Why can't a woman change a flat tyre?
I am applying this principle in real life...i just ignore issues that normally a woman should be able to fix..

pansophist:


Just say you can't disprove the above, not excuse. How is asking you to defend why you call the mgtows losers an incitement to argue? I doubt the average Nigerian have not heard of the word mgtow before, which ones did you know that only go for the 1/10 girls? You expect men to listen to women's problem but won't listen to men's problem, especially when the problem was predicated by feminism. Jumping on the bandwagon and demeaning their philosophy without actually listening is what people who lack empathy and reasoning does.

See you don't even need to argue with some of this people. There line of argument lacks intellectual depth.
I don't belong to any movement, but I find it very absurd for someone to open a thread castigating people for whatever they believe in, when others are doing there own.

Its there choice, why break your head over someone's matter?

djon78:




See you don't even need to argue with some of this people. There line of argument lacks intellectual depth.
I don't belong to any movement, but I find it very absurd for someone to open a thread castigating people for whatever they believe in, when others are doing there own.

Its there choice, why break your head over someone's matter?

My brother, the matter tire me o. As far I know, mgtow have a legitimate reason to be angry, no one can dispute it. I just do not agree with their solution, which is
distancing themselves from women, and the misogyny that hides under it. But their anger is valid. Many conflate mgtow with incels. As for the incels, they are idiots who refuse to be men and blame all their problem on women and society, but not mgtow.

I mean any one with common sense will Google mgtow, especially the wiki page has good info that no one with good conscience will disagree with. Feminism has gone too far in the west that men are basically oppressed, I see it everyday here. Mgtows have always said women are incapable of leadership and narcissists, it's one of their arguments and with the way funmisticqueen attacked them without actually listening, it only proves their point that indeed, women cant handle power. Men listened, now women wont. Typical.

djon78:




See you don't even need to argue with some of this people. There line of argument lacks intellectual depth.
I don't belong to any movement, but I find it very absurd for someone to open a thread castigating people for whatever they believe in, when others are doing there own.

Its there choice, why break your head over someone's matter?

so why castigating the thread for believing differently..it either you are allign to their school of thought or you are a hypocrite.

pansophist:


My brother, the matter tire me o. As far I know, mgtow have a legitimate reason to be angry, no one can dispute it. I just do not agree with their solution, which is
distancing themselves from women, and the misogyny that hides under it. But their anger is valid. Many conflate mgtow with incels. As for the incels, they are idiots who refuse to be men and blame all their problem on women and society, but not mgtow.

I mean any one with common sense will Google mgtow, especially the wiki page has good info that no one with good conscience will disagree with. Feminism has gone too far in the west that men are basically oppressed, I see it everyday here. Mgtows have always said women are incapable of leadership and narcissists, it's one of their arguments and with the way funmisticqueen attacked them without actually listening, it only proves their point that indeed, women cant handle power. Men listened, now women wont. Typical.

So MTGOW advocate for men to separate themselves from society, and particularly to eschew heterosexual marriage and cohabitation. MGTOW have vowed to stay away from women, stop dating and not have children but is it not different from what is preached here on NL by the preacher of MGTOW but lets be realistic, who lose at the end of the day, MGTOW men, they are fighting a lost battle, because there are still billion of men that will go to have meaningful relationship with many of the women they are leaving behind.

If MGTOW do not want anything to do with women..they should stop whining about them and let the people that love pussy like us to do their job

The Group MGTOW just killed every principle of stoicism of not displaying feelings and solving your problems without complaint, Zeno of Citium will be suprised of what men have become, he will be so disappointed with MGTOW.

lilwetdick:


so why castigating the thread for believing differently..it either you are allign to their school of thought or you are a hypocrite.

Mr man you don't subject what you believe on someone else. What's wrong with the type of this mindset. And you call yourself educated.
Its barbaric, backward, someone really enlightened doesn't behave this way.

Even if you feel they are missing it, you shouldn't be insulting them and talking them down. You could criticise them in the right way. Not casting insults on them. Typical Nigerian mindset.
@pashingshot from his analysis was more enlightening. He never said he was part of the movement, but he was able to understand there grievances but also highlighted were they are missing it.

Feminists are doing there own. And it has crept into our society so much. How many women do you see coming to castigate them. I am sure you may even be a supporter of them.

pansophist:


Just say you can't disprove the above, not excuse. How is asking you to defend why you call the mgtows losers an incitement to argue? I doubt the average Nigerian have not heard of the word mgtow before, which ones did you know that only go for the 1/10 girls? You expect men to listen to women's problem but won't listen to men's problem, especially when the problem was predicated by feminism. Jumping on the bandwagon and demeaning their philosophy without actually listening is what people who lack empathy and reasoning does.

i listened for years,i read posts on NL, i read on reddit and quora, I finally realised that their point of view was narcissistic, toxic and some just reeked of victim mentality. The simple truth is that men are not used to women in power and now want to cry victim. It will only be a matter of time that mgtow will be just as bitter as the feminists they hate so much.

djon78:


Mr man you don't subject what you believe on someone else. What's wrong with the type of this mindset. And you call yourself educated.
Its barbaric, backward, someone really enlightened doesn't behave this way.

Even if you feel they are missing it, you shouldn't be insulting them and talking them down. You could criticise them in the right way. Not casting insults on them. Typical Nigerian mindset.
@pashingshot from his analysis was more enlightening. He never said he was part of the movement, but he was able to understand there grievances but also highlighted were they are missing it.

Feminists are doing there own. And it has crept into our society so much. How many women do you see coming to castigate them. I am sure you may even be a supporter of them.

it is funny how you preached this then do otherwise by calling me names

i will to ask you what is the typical nigerian mindset...problem with you is you think you are advanced but you are not.

i have the right to disagree, abuse, castigate,destroy opinion any movement that i see goes against my view of how i see this world...i am sure professors, media analyst, political commentors and many public opinion will agree with me... if you think an educated person can not disagree, abuse, castigate or destroy an opinion or critise a movement then you are the backward and anti-knowledge person, i wonder what is the essence of criticism, even intellectuals will tell you that criticism and castigation is very important in any discussion..you need to get educated.

have a good day

Ignorance or misinformation I don't know which is worse...

Obviously this thread is filled with both.

One funny thing I've discovered is that those men who criticized Ubunja's teaching particularly the part of 'Women are sluts/whores etc'... do so not with a logical reason or something rational but with a line like 'I have a sister, mother, daughter ' bla bla bla... that shows these fellows are more emotional than logical just like women..
what's so special about you that women related to you can not be sluts


Ubunja himself likely has those(sisters, mothers, daughter etc) at least we're sure he should have a mother too... what's special about you a man... This makes jt very hard to have a sensible discussion with these guys because they're illogical, emotions are unstable while logic is stable they rarely can work.



for your information, I casually engage in discussion with females both randomly or ones I've known from school, residence etc... I've come discover a lot... When you're smart enough to get women to open about their inner self and sometimes secrets then you'll understand better...


Don't be an ignorant bloke neither should you swallow all Ubunja has said hook line and sinker, rather go out and talk to women from different walks of life and level of education, then you summarize your discovery

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in my short stay on mother earth..this is what i learnt..the have not are jealous of those that have and will use opportunity to call those that have names..

Most of the guys here who aligned with this red pill and mgtow stuff are broke and poor men who because of their insecurities and fear of rejection can not approach women... let this people have money and lets see if they will continue believing in their red pill and mgtow, it is the same scenario with the poor hating on the rich for spending money...give the poor man money and he does more than the rich he critises.

bigpriik:


I am not hypocritical like you,you claim you don't fancy women but look at your moniker... smh

It's natural for men to want validation from the female whether you either know this consciously or subconsciously we are programmed that way you cannot escape it we are all sexual animals every straight man desires women .why do you hustle my nigga,why do you want to have money ,why do you want to drive a car,why do you wear designer clothes ,are you doing it to impress me a guy look deep within you and say the truth no man can be 100 percent happy without a woman in his life and no woman can be happy without a man in her life...

As for the alphamales thing sorry bro not every guy is a mommys boy like you I have my own apartment and will be getting married in 3years time so Bleep off nigga.

I hope its a white girl you are planning to marry cause all Nigerian girls are whores

djon78:

The real issue is that there are many movements springing up in this modern times. Women have been championing Feminism movement. So men are now championing the redpill mgtow or whatever you call it movement.

And op for the movement you were castigating, your lamenting cannot stop anything.
I even believe Ubunja has gotten very massive following on this forum, just like feminist do there own.


So your coming online to blast them to me is more of rable rousing or just making noise.
Whatever there movement, its there right, you cannot force your own views on them


That's all I have to say here

Yet men try to force their own views on women and make them feel bad for being feminists and they want women to accept the Alpha male Nonsense? What a joke, its live and lets live, not until men learn to understand that women also have rights to association, they shouldn't expect to be accepted either

Melonny:
I have read this book as well.. The book opened my eye.. The part I remember vividly was the man having to fix the girl's car.. Why can't a woman change a flat tyre?
I am applying this principle in real life...i just ignore issues that normally a woman should be able to fix..

God forbid that i allow my woman change a flat tire, is this what being an alpha male means? hate women (so says the post you quoted) i Cant believe what we have been reduced to, so i have to hate women to prove i'm a strong?

ImaIma1:


Do you use the manual?

Manual to get women? Hahaha this is funny

pansophist:


My brother, the matter tire me o. As far I know, mgtow have a legitimate reason to be angry, no one can dispute it. I just do not agree with their solution, which is
distancing themselves from women, and the misogyny that hides under it. But their anger is valid. Many conflate mgtow with incels. As for the incels, they are idiots who refuse to be men and blame all their problem on women and society, but not mgtow.

I mean any one with common sense will Google mgtow, especially the wiki page has good info that no one with good conscience will disagree with. Feminism has gone too far in the west that men are basically oppressed, I see it everyday here. Mgtows have always said women are incapable of leadership and narcissists, it's one of their arguments and with the way funmisticqueen attacked them without actually listening, it only proves their point that indeed, women cant handle power. Men listened, now women wont. Typical.

Same as feminism

Ryan03:
God forbid that i allow my woman change a flat tire, is this what being an alpha male means? hate women (so says the post you quoted) i Cant believe what we have been reduced to, so i have to hate women to prove i'm a strong?

No one hates women..Are you saying, your woman doesn't have the physical strength to change a flat tyre? Do you know some ladies earn a living from that?..

Cc pansophist, i've read alot about feminism and Mgtow, both have good intentions but some useless group of people have decided to hide under these umbrella to do Nonsense. Men Dont want to see the good part of feminism anymore but using the useless ones to judge the true intention of the movement, to the extent that one of the criterias of a good wife is that she must not be a feminist, yet men wants the women to accept their own movement? Things Dont work that way

Melonny:
No one hates women..Are you saying, your woman doesn't have the physical strength to change a flat tyre? Do you know some ladies earn a living from that?..

No my woman Dont have that kind of strength and i wont even want her to, there are some chores ment for men and some for women. It should only be done by the opposite sex if the other is too busy or out of reach. Just imagine that my wife is home and i'm bathing our kids

Ryan03:
I hope its a white girl you are planning to marry cause all Nigerian girls are whores

Ryan03:
I hope its a white girl you are planning to marry cause all Nigerian girls are whores

funmisticqueen:
i listened for years,i read posts on NL, i read on reddit and quora, I finally realised that their point of view was narcissistic, toxic and some just reeked of victim mentality. The simple truth is that men are not used to women in power and now want to cry victim. It will only be a matter of time that mgtow will be just as bitter as the feminists they hate so much.

Stop lying to pansophist. You are a shameless liar and you are living in denial. Your dishonesty is baffling. On a thread created by a nairalander, you misrepresented the MGTOW movement and I corrected you with facts. That wasn't enough for you as you feigned ignorance and persisted in shaming and misrepresenting MGTOW guys in subsequent posts. I could have argued with lilwetdick but I know from our previous clashes that he is intellectually immature and irremediably stupid so I ignored him.

Here are screenshots of our conversation in which I gave you some of the reasons why men choose MGTOW:

Ryan03:
Yet men try to force their own views on women and make them feel bad for being feminists and they want women to accept the Alpha male Nonsense? What a joke, its live and lets live, not until men learn to understand that women also have rights to association, they shouldn't expect to be accepted either

Being a feminist, as we them now, is a bad thing. No one, I repeat no one, is trying to enforce the idea of alpha male on any woman. Do you even know how silly this accusation sounds?

Let me ask you, who is a alpha male? Let's start from there.

MGTOW didn't create the fear, MGTOW is only a response to the fear already existing, it's just a platform meant to express certain views, prob the incels have found their way into the group, just as the same way feminists are mistaken for radical feminist and 3rd wave feminist.

pcguru1:
MGTOW didn't create the fear, MGTOW is only a response to the fear already existing, it's just a platform meant to express certain views, prob the incels have found their way into the group, just as the same way feminists are mistaken for radical feminist and 3rd wave feminist.

Thank you. The narrative that mgtow men are damaged, frustrated in forming relationships and are maggots of the society is a lie that ignorant or dishonest people tell and spread. Given the availability of the Internet and social media platforms where people can share their views, I ignore those who spew these nonsense against MGTOW. Let them do their research or remain ignorant.

Martinez19:
Stop lying to pansophist. You are a shameless liar and you are living in denial. Your dishonesty is baffling. On a thread created by a nairalander, you misrepresented the MGTOW movement and I corrected you with facts. That wasn't enough for you as you feigned ignorance and persisted in shaming and misrepresenting MGTOW guys in subsequent posts. I could have argued with lilwetdick but I know from our previous clashes that he is intellectually immature and irremediably stupid so I ignored him.

Here are screenshots of our conversation in which I gave you some of the reasons why men choose MGTOW:

you still prove nothing. And i am not a liar, that i disagree with you doesn't make me a feminist, and you just proved that i have the power to preoccupy your thoughts for you to have screenshot that discussion after how.many months. You my friend need to change your disposition and outlook to life.

Martinez19:
Being a feminist, as we them now, is a bad thing. No one, I repeat no one, is trying to enforce the idea of alpha male on any woman. Do you even know how silly this accusation sounds?

Let me ask you, who is a alpha male? Let's start from there.

No, being a feminist is not a bad thing, some elements have decided to abuse it same with mgtow. I'm not against any but there are some things i just Cant accept like the example of my woman changing tyres. The Nairaland version of Mgtow is hatred for women

Martinez19:
Thank you. The narrative that mgtow men are damaged, frustrated in forming relationships and are maggots of the society is a lie that ignorant or dishonest people tell and spread. Given the availability of the Internet and social media platforms where people can share their views, I ignore those who spew these nonsense against MGTOW. Let them do their research or remain ignorant.

Haven't you said such or similar notions about feminists?

funmisticqueen:
you still prove nothing. And i am not a liar, that i disagree with you doesn't make me a feminist,

Lol. I never said you were a feminist. You are a liar. Despite listing some of the sound reasons why the MGTOW movement is catching on, you still insisted and lied that

funmisticqueen:
i listened for years,i read posts on NL, i read on reddit and quora, I finally realised that their point of view was narcissistic, toxic and some just reeked of victim mentality...

Give my screenshots and the nonsense you are saying all over this thread, did you really listen? Why lie that you listened? Perhaps you did listen but couldn't grab or you preferred to live in denial.
How can you brand our view point narcissistic, toxic and reeking of victim mentality if you read what I showed? Where are these traits of narcissism, toxicity and self victimisation in that write up? You are a liar!

As if that wasn't, you went ahead, in that same post, with this shaming tactic and misrepresentation "...The simple truth is that men are not used to women in power and now want to cry victim. It will only be a matter of time that mgtow will be just as bitter as the feminists they hate so much.''

To what end really? Shaming tactics are getting outdated, it's 2019, c'mon. I know you will still keep saying those nonsense despite reminding you of our conversation.

and you just proved that i have the power to preoccupy your thoughts for you to have screenshot that discussion after how.many months. You my friend need to change your disposition and outlook to life.

Are you seriously shaming me or are you just simply on your high horse? If you call having a good memory of our past conversation the power to preoccupy my thoughts then I am really sorry for you.

Anyway, we all need to keep changing and improving our view of life as need be.

Ryan03:
Haven't you said such or similar notions about feminists?

Show me what I have said about feminists. Let's start from there.

Ryan03:
No, being a feminist is not a bad thing, some elements have decided to abuse it same with mgtow. I'm not against any but there are some things i just Cant accept like the example of my woman changing tyres. The Nairaland version of Mgtow is hatred for women

It's true that the feminist group have been hijacked by entitled, stupid and easily offended demons. Where have the MGTOW movement been hijacked? Our ideas still remain the same. In fact, the MGTOW movement has been cruelly shamed that people just join except they've properly reasoned and understood what the MGTOW movement is all about.


As I ask, What do you understand by the term "ALPHA MALE"? You have been shaming the so called NL alpha males, answer my question and let's see if you know what you have been typing.