These Pastors Did Not Begin Well

By: Deji Yesufu

In the light of the latest Biodun Fatoyinbo saga, I was in a discussion with a sister and it veered off to the reasons why pastors are falling into grave scandals of sexual immorality and financial impropriety. She was of the opinion that many of these pastors started out well in ministry but due to increased wealth, popularity and the allure of the world, they have gone off their calling and are today doing something God never called them to do. I disagreed with her. I felt many of these pastors never started well. Many of them are not Christians. I would be spending the rest of the essay to show why and I hope to make a strong case for this point.

The nature of the Christian life a person possesses is premised ultimately on the message that that Christian believes. A careful study of the New Testament shows that the Apostles of Jesus Christ were concerned with two major things in ministry: they sought to propagate the gospel of Christ and they ensured that the true gospel was preserved from distortion (Matthew 28:19; Acts 20:30). In fact propagating the gospel, bringing the message of redemption to a sinful world, appeared to be a lot less challenging for them than preserving the gospel from distortion by false teachers from within the church. And a careful study of church history reveals that the Christian Church was troubled a lot more by false teaching within its ranks than persecutions from outside.

The reason why the preserving of the gospel message is important is because the message you believe would form the Christian you would be. If you believed the true gospel, you would be a true Christian. If you believed a false gospel, you would be a false Christian. Today the overarching message that many call a Christian gospel is one that teaches that God exists for the well-being of human beings; it knows nothing of the sovereignty of God. It teaches that Jesus Christ died to make man healthy and wealthy; it has distorted the doctrine of salvation from sin alone. It teaches that the sole duty of the Holy Spirit is to wrought supernatural miracles in the life of Christians, so that we may live as super-men in this world; it does not know anything about the Spirit that sanctifies.

When the Protesters invaded Biodun Fatoyinbo’s church in Abuja last Sunday, some newsmen were on ground to hear the opinions of his church members. All of those interviewed said that Biodun Fatoyinbo is a true man of God because ever since they started to come to his church their lives had gotten better. Some said they had no jobs and now they have jobs. Some claimed they were living irresponsibly on the streets but now they are men and women raising families in a responsible manner. No one talked about how they had been delivered from a life of sin and have come into a life of holiness. No one talked about separation from the world and devotion to God. Religion for these folks, as it is for millions of other professing people all around the world, is a means to get from God. The great Christian is not the holy Christian but the rich and powerful Christian. What a shame.

Biodun Fatoyinbo, Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye and thousands of other so called ministers of the gospel do not have a beginning in Christ because the gospel they claim to preach is not the Christian message. A health and wealth gospel cannot convert sinners. It means that these men and many of their followers are still in their sins and heading to an eternity without God and without Christ. Some of them may pretend and claim to be sanctimonious but the likes of Fatoyinbo cannot pretend any longer. Their hidden sins are coming out and are being exposed daily for all to see. It is indeed the mercies of God to Biodun Fatoyinbo that his sins are revealed now and he can repent and believe in Jesus Christ, and thus be saved. Those who are genuinely to be pitied are those have succeeded in covering up their sins in this world, only to have them unveiled in the presence of Christ in the life to come.

The Christian message is this: that Christ died and rose again to offer up redemption for the sins of the world. Thus God calls all men to believe the gospel: to believe that Christ alone can offer refuge to men from the coming wrath of God upon sinners. The gospel tells us that in Christ we can exchange our sins for the righteousness of God. We can know justification from all things.

The gospel teaches the concept of two Adams. The first Adam was the first created man. He is our first parent. Adam sinned and lost paradise. He was banished from the presence of God. The awful reality of having Adam as our parent is that Adam bequeaths sin to every man that is born of a woman. We inherit his sin. Because we born of the flesh, we have Adam’s sin imputed on us. Theologians refer to this as original sin. Every person born into this life is a sinner in need of redemption.

The second Adam is Jesus Christ. Christ was not born of Adam; he was born of the Holy Spirit. He was born of God. For this reason, Jesus Christ does not possess Adam’s sin. When we are therefore born-again, we are born of the Spirit. We are born of God. We are born of Christ. We take up Christ original righteousness – in the same way we took up Adam’s original sins. Christ’s original righteousness therefore stands as our justification before a holy God. Christ becomes our substitute. Our righteousness. Our redemption. Halleluyah!

This is the Christian gospel and it must go beyond mere words and become a reality in our hearts. This is the message that Biodun Fatoyinbo and other ministers like him in Pentecostal assemblies do not preach. They do not preach it because they do not have these realities in their hearts – a man cannot give what he does not have. They have no foundation in the true gospel. Their foundation is in a false gospel and of a necessity a false gospel would yield a hypocritical Christian life that would only lead to the type of scandals that we hear of today.

This is the reason I am convinced that these pastors never began a Christian walk with Jesus Christ at all. They have all along believed a false gospel. And it would be important, in the light of scandals like these, that those who look up to them examine their own hearts and faith and be sure of what they have believed. A false gospel cannot yield a Christian life. A false gospel would yield essentially what we are seeing today – scandals.



Deji Yesufu is the author of the book Victor Banjo and Half a Millennium. He can be reached on newdejix@gmail.com

Source: http://mouthpiece.com.ng/these-pastors-did-not-begin-well/

Bottom line, money and power tend to corrupt.
Didn't have to read the whole thing to know OP is wrong while lady is right

Deji Yesufu, Assistant Jesus, Minister in charge of holiness and righteousness, more grace to your pen. It's easy to castigate men of God because they are in the spotlight but the reality is that they are Christians like you and I. It is the same yardstick that God will use to judge all of us. If search light is to be beamed at our private lives , how many of us will come out incorruptible, except maybe Deji Yesufu

VBCampaign:
These Pastors Did Not Begin Well
By: Deji Yesufu

In the light of the latest Biodun Fatoyinbo saga, I was in a discussion with a sister and it veered off to the reasons why pastors are falling into grave scandals of sexual immorality and financial impropriety. She was of the opinion that many of these pastors started out well in ministry but due to increased wealth, popularity and the allure of the world, they have gone off their calling and are today doing something God never called them to do. I disagreed with her. I felt many of these pastors never started well. Many of them are not Christians. I would be spending the rest of the essay to show why and I hope to make a strong case for this point.

The nature of the Christian life a person possesses is premised ultimately on the message that that Christian believes. A careful study of the New Testament shows that the Apostles of Jesus Christ were concerned with two major things in ministry: they sought to propagate the gospel of Christ and they ensured that the true gospel was preserved from distortion (Matthew 28:19; Acts 20:30). In fact propagating the gospel, bringing the message of redemption to a sinful world, appeared to be a lot less challenging for them than preserving the gospel from distortion by false teachers from within the church. And a careful study of church history reveals that the Christian Church was troubled a lot more by false teaching within its ranks than persecutions from outside.

The reason why the preserving of the gospel message is important is because the message you believe would form the Christian you would be. If you believed the true gospel, you would be a true Christian. If you believed a false gospel, you would be a false Christian. Today the overarching message that many call a Christian gospel is one that teaches that God exists for the well-being of human beings; it knows nothing of the sovereignty of God. It teaches that Jesus Christ died to make man healthy and wealthy; it has distorted the doctrine of salvation from sin alone. It teaches that the sole duty of the Holy Spirit is to wrought supernatural miracles in the life of Christians, so that we may live as super-men in this world; it does not know anything about the Spirit that sanctifies.

When the Protesters invaded Biodun Fatoyinbo’s church in Abuja last Sunday, some newsmen were on ground to hear the opinions of his church members. All of those interviewed said that Biodun Fatoyinbo is a true man of God because ever since they started to come to his church their lives had gotten better. Some said they had no jobs and now they have jobs. Some claimed they were living irresponsibly on the streets but now they are men and women raising families in a responsible manner. No one talked about how they had been delivered from a life of sin and have come into a life of holiness. No one talked about separation from the world and devotion to God. Religion for these folks, as it is for millions of other professing people all around the world, is a means to get from God. The great Christian is not the holy Christian but the rich and powerful Christian. What a shame.

Biodun Fatoyinbo, Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye and thousands of other so called ministers of the gospel do not have a beginning in Christ because the gospel they claim to preach is not the Christian message. A health and wealth gospel cannot convert sinners. It means that these men and many of their followers are still in their sins and heading to an eternity without God and without Christ. Some of them may pretend and claim to be sanctimonious but the likes of Fatoyinbo cannot pretend any longer. Their hidden sins are coming out and are being exposed daily for all to see. It is indeed the mercies of God to Biodun Fatoyinbo that his sins are revealed now and he can repent and believe in Jesus Christ, and thus be saved. Those who are genuinely to be pitied are those have succeeded in covering up their sins in this world, only to have them unveiled in the presence of Christ in the life to come.

The Christian message is this: that Christ died and rose again to offer up redemption for the sins of the world. Thus God calls all men to believe the gospel: to believe that Christ alone can offer refuge to men from the coming wrath of God upon sinners. The gospel tells us that in Christ we can exchange our sins for the righteousness of God. We can know justification from all things.

The gospel teaches the concept of two Adams. The first Adam was the first created man. He is our first parent. Adam sinned and lost paradise. He was banished from the presence of God. The awful reality of having Adam as our parent is that Adam bequeaths sin to every man that is born of a woman. We inherit his sin. Because we born of the flesh, we have Adam’s sin imputed on us. Theologians refer to this as original sin. Every person born into this life is a sinner in need of redemption.

The second Adam is Jesus Christ. Christ was not born of Adam; he was born of the Holy Spirit. He was born of God. For this reason, Jesus Christ does not possess Adam’s sin. When we are therefore born-again, we are born of the Spirit. We are born of God. We are born of Christ. We take up Christ original righteousness – in the same way we took up Adam’s original sins. Christ’s original righteousness therefore stands as our justification before a holy God. Christ becomes our substitute. Our righteousness. Our redemption. Halleluyah!

This is the Christian gospel and it must go beyond mere words and become a reality in our hearts. This is the message that Biodun Fatoyinbo and other ministers like him in Pentecostal assemblies do not preach. They do not preach it because they do not have these realities in their hearts – a man cannot give what he does not have. They have no foundation in the true gospel. Their foundation is in a false gospel and of a necessity a false gospel would yield a hypocritical Christian life that would only lead to the type of scandals that we hear of today.

This is the reason I am convinced that these pastors never began a Christian walk with Jesus Christ at all. They have all along believed a false gospel. And it would be important, in the light of scandals like these, that those who look up to them examine their own hearts and faith and be sure of what they have believed. A false gospel cannot yield a Christian life. A false gospel would yield essentially what we are seeing today – scandals.


Deji Yesufu is the author of the book Victor Banjo and Half a Millennium. He can be reached ...

"Wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; and I will give thee riches, and wealth, and honour, such as none of the kings have had that have been before thee, neither shall there any after thee have the like."
- 2 Chronicles 1:12

"And king Solomon passed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom."
- 2 Chronicles 9:22

"Wisdom is of utmost importance, therefore get wisdom, and with all your effort work to acquire understanding."
- Proverbs 4:7

Who are these guys mentioned the original post compared with King Solomon, hmm?

King Solomon, inarguably the man with the most sense and common sense and sense wiseness, that ever lived, who started well in 2 Chronicles 1:12, but on getting towards the end of his life, finished badly erhn, when wisdom that was first and in the forefront, as in, a most important first position in his life, got being relegated to the last, by the time we reached reading 2 Chronicles 9:22, hmm?

PoliteActivist:
Bottom line, money and power tend to corrupt.
Didn't have to read the whole thing to know OP is wrong while lady is right

Nobaga, with any iota of sense wiseness, relegates wisdom to the last. Do it at your peril.

It wasnt money, power, riches and wealth that corrupted King Solomon, it was the lack of appreciating sense wiseness and not anymore embracing wisdom, as the most important thing.

PoliteActivist:
Bottom line, money and power tend to corrupt.
Didn't have to read the whole thing to know OP is wrong while lady is right

God bless you

SendoSendal:
Deji Yesufu, Assistant Jesus, Minister in charge of holiness and righteousness, more grace to your pen. It's easy to castigate men of God because they are in the spotlight but the reality is that they are Christians like you and I. It is the same yardstick that God will use to judge all of us. If search light is to be beamed at our private lives , how many of us will come out incorruptible, except maybe Deji Yesufu

Except Maybe Deji Yesufu...

On point....
Many of our so called pastor called themselves into the ministry. Some were called by money, power and fame. Others were called by Hunger. These ones started wrong. They are out for the grams.
However, there are others called by God and they started well, bt then their attentions were diverted to the god of money, power and materialism.
Some of them turn themselves to gods of men.

MuttleyLaff:
"Wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; and I will give thee riches, and wealth, and honour, such as none of the kings have had that have been before thee, neither shall there any after thee have the like."
- 2 Chronicles 1:12

"And king Solomon passed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom."
- 2 Chronicles 9:22

"Wisdom is of utmost importance, therefore get wisdom, and with all your effort work to acquire understanding."
- Proverbs 4:7

Who are these guys mentioned the original post compared with King Solomon, hmm?

King Solomon, inarguably the man with the most sense and common sense and sense wiseness, that ever lived, who started well in 2 Chronicles 1:12, but on getting towards the end of his life, finished badly erhn, when wisdom that was first and in the forefront, as in, a most important first position in his life, got being relegated to the last, by the time we reached reading 2 Chronicles 9:22, hmm?

Nobaga, with any iota of sense wiseness, relegates wisdom to the last. Do it at your peril.

It wasnt money, power, riches and wealth that corrupted King Solomon, it was the lack of appreciating sense wiseness and not anymore embracing wisdom, as the most important thing.

What have you now said?

Oche211:
On point....
Many of our so called pastor called themselves into the ministry. Some were called by money, power and fame. Others were called by Hunger. These ones started wrong. They are out for the grams.
However, there are others called by God and they started well, bt then their attentions were diverted to the god of money, power and materialism.
Some of them turn themselves to gods of men.

And you, what called you, stupidity?

Anas09:
What have you now said?

I know you hardly read at all, you arent used to reading, so I will spell it out just for you, I mean just for your benefit

At the beginning of King Solomon's life, the Bible deliberately let us know, that wisdom was paramount in his life. It was just as Proverbs 4:7 says wisdom is supreme, and so it was that wisdom, was more important than anything else at the beginning of King Solomon's life, but come eight chapters later after 2 Chronicles 1:12 and at the end of King Solomon's life, we are made to realise that the once wisdom, that was leading, being first and foremost in King Solomon's life, has by then, got relegated to and put to a lower or less important place of insignificance.

VBCampaign:
These Pastors Did Not Begin Well

By: Deji Yesufu

In the light of the latest Biodun Fatoyinbo saga, I was in a discussion with a sister and it veered off to the reasons why pastors are falling into grave scandals of sexual immorality and financial impropriety. She was of the opinion that many of these pastors started out well in ministry but due to increased wealth, popularity and the allure of the world, they have gone off their calling and are today doing something God never called them to do. I disagreed with her. I felt many of these pastors never started well. Many of them are not Christians. I would be spending the rest of the essay to show why and I hope to make a strong case for this point.

The nature of the Christian life a person possesses is premised ultimately on the message that that Christian believes. A careful study of the New Testament shows that the Apostles of Jesus Christ were concerned with two major things in ministry: they sought to propagate the gospel of Christ and they ensured that the true gospel was preserved from distortion (Matthew 28:19; Acts 20:30). In fact propagating the gospel, bringing the message of redemption to a sinful world, appeared to be a lot less challenging for them than preserving the gospel from distortion by false teachers from within the church. And a careful study of church history reveals that the Christian Church was troubled a lot more by false teaching within its ranks than persecutions from outside.

The reason why the preserving of the gospel message is important is because the message you believe would form the Christian you would be. If you believed the true gospel, you would be a true Christian. If you believed a false gospel, you would be a false Christian. Today the overarching message that many call a Christian gospel is one that teaches that God exists for the well-being of human beings; it knows nothing of the sovereignty of God. It teaches that Jesus Christ died to make man healthy and wealthy; it has distorted the doctrine of salvation from sin alone. It teaches that the sole duty of the Holy Spirit is to wrought supernatural miracles in the life of Christians, so that we may live as super-men in this world; it does not know anything about the Spirit that sanctifies.

When the Protesters invaded Biodun Fatoyinbo’s church in Abuja last Sunday, some newsmen were on ground to hear the opinions of his church members. All of those interviewed said that Biodun Fatoyinbo is a true man of God because ever since they started to come to his church their lives had gotten better. Some said they had no jobs and now they have jobs. Some claimed they were living irresponsibly on the streets but now they are men and women raising families in a responsible manner. No one talked about how they had been delivered from a life of sin and have come into a life of holiness. No one talked about separation from the world and devotion to God. Religion for these folks, as it is for millions of other professing people all around the world, is a means to get from God. The great Christian is not the holy Christian but the rich and powerful Christian. What a shame.

Biodun Fatoyinbo, Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye and thousands of other so called ministers of the gospel do not have a beginning in Christ because the gospel they claim to preach is not the Christian message. A health and wealth gospel cannot convert sinners. It means that these men and many of their followers are still in their sins and heading to an eternity without God and without Christ. Some of them may pretend and claim to be sanctimonious but the likes of Fatoyinbo cannot pretend any longer. Their hidden sins are coming out and are being exposed daily for all to see. It is indeed the mercies of God to Biodun Fatoyinbo that his sins are revealed now and he can repent and believe in Jesus Christ, and thus be saved. Those who are genuinely to be pitied are those have succeeded in covering up their sins in this world, only to have them unveiled in the presence of Christ in the life to come.

The Christian message is this: that Christ died and rose again to offer up redemption for the sins of the world. Thus God calls all men to believe the gospel: to believe that Christ alone can offer refuge to men from the coming wrath of God upon sinners. The gospel tells us that in Christ we can exchange our sins for the righteousness of God. We can know justification from all things.

The gospel teaches the concept of two Adams. The first Adam was the first created man. He is our first parent. Adam sinned and lost paradise. He was banished from the presence of God. The awful reality of having Adam as our parent is that Adam bequeaths sin to every man that is born of a woman. We inherit his sin. Because we born of the flesh, we have Adam’s sin imputed on us. Theologians refer to this as original sin. Every person born into this life is a sinner in need of redemption.

The second Adam is Jesus Christ. Christ was not born of Adam; he was born of the Holy Spirit. He was born of God. For this reason, Jesus Christ does not possess Adam’s sin. When we are therefore born-again, we are born of the Spirit. We are born of God. We are born of Christ. We take up Christ original righteousness – in the same way we took up Adam’s original sins. Christ’s original righteousness therefore stands as our justification before a holy God. Christ becomes our substitute. Our righteousness. Our redemption. Halleluyah!

This is the Christian gospel and it must go beyond mere words and become a reality in our hearts. This is the message that Biodun Fatoyinbo and other ministers like him in Pentecostal assemblies do not preach. They do not preach it because they do not have these realities in their hearts – a man cannot give what he does not have. They have no foundation in the true gospel. Their foundation is in a false gospel and of a necessity a false gospel would yield a hypocritical Christian life that would only lead to the type of scandals that we hear of today.

This is the reason I am convinced that these pastors never began a Christian walk with Jesus Christ at all. They have all along believed a false gospel. And it would be important, in the light of scandals like these, that those who look up to them examine their own hearts and faith and be sure of what they have believed. A false gospel cannot yield a Christian life. A false gospel would yield essentially what we are seeing today – scandals.



Deji Yesufu is the author of the book Victor Banjo and Half a Millennium. He can be reached on newdejix@gmail.com

Source: http://mouthpiece.com.ng/these-pastors-did-not-begin-well/

Deji Yesufu, the man Jehovah seeks counsel from on matters of earth.

Deji Yesufu, the man who instructs Jehovah on what actions to take and which men He shd elect as His servants.

Deji Yesufu, the Man who knows who is a Christian and who is not.

Deji Yesufu, the man who knows what is contained in the Covenant and what to be done to inherit them.

But, this greatest man of God and the best Christian who has ever lived since Jesus Christ does not know that, there are two Dimensions to Christ, As in, earthly realities and heavenly realities. He only projected the heavenly dimension and realities and totally left out the earthly.

Does Deji Yesufu still realises that Christ created man to live and inhabit the earth, not heaven?

Does he still realises that everything he has condemned here as being preached by the Evangelical pastors are the things Jesus created for His people to enjoy on earth had Adam remained Faithful to God?

Does Deji Yesufu still realises that the death of Christ on the cross restored all what Adam lost to satan in Eden which begins with eternal life and ends with every other thing he stands against?

Does Deji wish that we receive Salvation from sin but remain under the bondage of sicknesses and diseases?


Wld Deji wish Christians to be Holy in their Souls but remain weak in fear of elements and failures of life?

Wld Deji wish for Christians to be Sanctified but remain defeated in their life's endeavours?

Wld he wish that Christians remain Failures, hopeless ans helpless when it comes to the earthly things?

Does Deji know what these words Redemption, Justification, and substitution means?

When I read what men who seem to be intelligent like Deji Yesufu writes, in my small corner I shudder. This man takes a position of judgment everytime against others yet postulates what if one is not informed, will believe to be true.

Pls anyone who can reach Yesufu, shd let him know that he is riding on a dead horse.

After Jesus had Redeemed, Justified and subtituted himself for us, he still wants us to keep living on earth in Victory over all of those things he preaches against, until he comes back. Even when he comes, it is still here on earth that He Himself shall live with Us reigning and ruling over the earth, not heaven.

Those names he mentioned preaches Redemption, Justification and substitution and the New Covenant Realities (Full package) which he is against.

Someone shd pls tell Yesufu that God did not create earthly material wealth for satan and his thugs. He created them for Man. Although man lost them to satan once, but Jesus by redemption, has now restored Man back to the place of Dominion, power and Victory.

Yesufu is a scriptural illiterate. He lacks insight into the Divine Design and It's underlying realities.

MuttleyLaff:
I know you hardly read at all, you arent used to reading, so I will spell it out just for you, I mean just for your benefit

At the beginning of King Solomon's life, the Bible deliberately let us know, that wisdom was paramount in his life. It was just as Proverbs 4:7 says wisdom is supreme, and so it was that wisdom, was more important than anything else at the beginning of King Solomon's life, but come eight chapters later after 2 Chronicles 1:12 and at the end of King Solomon's life, we are made to realise that the once wisdom, that was leading, being first and foremost in King Solomon's life, has by then, got relegated to and put to a lower or less important place of insignificance.

You are wrong I read. In fact reading is one of my strong points. But, I didn't your post on purpose. If I didn't read how did I know you didn't make sense?

You rigmarole a lot when trying to make a point. Go straight to the point.

And, l know what wisdom means and how Solomon began but slipped out later, but what I asked is, how wisdom fits into the Op.

You mean these men Yesufu mentioned didn't use wisdom in their lives like Solomon?

Anas09:

Deji Yesufu, the man Jehovah seeks counsel from on matters of earth.

Deji Yesufu, the man who instructs Jehovah on what actions to take and which men He shd elect as His servants.

Deji Yesufu, the Man who knows who is a Christian and who is not.

Deji Yesufu, the man who knows what is contained in the Covenant and what to be done to inherit them.

But, this greatest man of God and the best Christian who has ever lived since Jesus Christ does not know that, there are two Dimensions to Christ, As in, earthly realities and heavenly realities. He only projected the heavenly dimension and realities and totally left out the earthly.

Does Deji Yesufu still realises that Christ created man to live and inhabit the earth, not heaven?

Does he still realises that everything he has condemned here as being preached by the Evangelical pastors are the things Jesus created for His people to enjoy on earth had Adam remained Faithful to God?

Does Deji Yesufu still realises that the death of Christ on the cross restored all what Adam lost to satan in Eden which begins with eternal life and ends with every other thing he stands against?

Does Deji wish that we receive Salvation from sin but remain under the bondage of sicknesses and diseases?


Wld Deji wish Christians to be Holy in their Souls but remain weak in fear of elements and failures of life?

Wld Deji wish for Christians to be Sanctified but remain defeated in their life's endeavours?

Wld he wish that Christians remain Failures, hopeless ans helpless when it comes to the earthly things?

Does Deji know what these words Redemption, Justification, and substitution means?

When I read what men who seem to be intelligent like Deji Yesufu writes, in my small corner I shudder. This man takes a position of judgment everytime against others yet postulates what if one is not informed, will believe to be true.

Pls anyone who can reach Yesufu, shd let him know that he is riding on a dead horse.

After Jesus had Redeemed, Justified and subtituted himself for us, he still wants us to keep living on earth in Victory over all of those things he preaches against, until he comes back. Even when he comes, it is still here on earth that He Himself shall live with Us reigning and ruling over the earth, not heaven.

Those names he mentioned preaches Redemption, Justification and substitution and the New Covenant Realities (Full package) which he is against.

Someone shd pls tell Yesufu that God did not create earthly material wealth for satan and his thugs. He created them for Man. Although man lost them to satan once, but Jesus by redemption, has now restored Man back to the place of Dominion, power and Victory.

Yesufu is a scriptural illiterate. He lacks insight into the Divine Design and It's underlying realities.

Deji will respond to you if you will respond to the content of what he wrote. Take a few of his point and attempt refuting them, then Deji will attend to you.

Anas09:
You are wrong I read. In fact reading is one of my strong points. But, I didn't your post on purpose. If I didn't read how did I know you didn't make sense?

They see clearly but don't perceive. They read clearly but don't understand.

Anas09:
You rigmarole a lot when trying to make a point. Go straight to the point.

And, l know what wisdom means and how Solomon began but slipped out later, but what I asked is, how wisdom fits into the Op.

You mean these men Yesufu mentioned didn't use wisdom in their lives like Solomon?

This is your problem, inability to get understanding. Let me tell you about wisdom. Wisdom, means, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God.

Now if King Solomon, who inarguably, is the wisest man who ever lived, messed up by relegating wisdom to the last, who are these men who come after King Solomon that Yesufu aka VBCampaign mentioned, hmm?. There is no comparison because it wasnt money, power, riches and wealth that corrupted King Solomon, it was the lack of appreciating sense wiseness and not anymore embracing wisdom, as the most important thing. Whether you are a Biodun Fatoyinbo, Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, or Enoch Adeboye wisdom is supreme, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God, is the principal thing.

MuttleyLaff:
They see clearly but don't perceive. They read clearly but don't understand.

This is your problem, inability to get understanding. Let me tell you about wisdom. Wisdom, means, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God.

Now if King Solomon, who inarguably, is there wisest man who ever lived, messed up by relegating wisdom to the last, who are these men who come after King Solomon that Yesufu mentioned, hmm?. There is no comparison because it wasnt money, power, riches and wealth that corrupted King Solomon, it was the lack of appreciating sense wiseness and not anymore embracing wisdom, as the most important thing. Whether you are a Biodun Fatoyinbo, Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, or Enoch Adeboye wisdom is supreme, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God, is the principal thing.

Since you want to start behaving like a child instead of an adult that I know, I'd stop responding to you.
Goodbye.

VBCampaign:


Deji will respond to you if you will respond to the content of what he wrote. Take a few of his point and attempt refuting them, then Deji will attend to you.

Okay. I will.

Anas09:
Since you want to start behaving like a child instead of an adult that I know, I'd stop responding to you.
Goodbye.

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You don’t have to resort to this shameful behaviour, simply to hold your own ground. If you do, that shows how weak and shaky your position is. Jesus wept

"The greatest good you can do for another is not just share your riches, but to reveal to him his own"
- Benjamin Disraeli

Anas09:
And you, what called you, stupidity?

your father's name

Anas09:
And you, what called you, stupidity?

your father's name

Oche211:

your father's name

My father's name called you? Ah, children.

Anas09:

My father's name called you? Ah, children.

lolz.....
Agbaya

VBCampaign:


Deji will respond to you if you will respond to the content of what he wrote. Take a few of his point and attempt refuting them, then Deji will attend to you.

On another note. Let Deji not bother responding to me. It's not necessary.

Oche211:

lolz.....
Agbaya

Have somwone teach you how to use ellipsis [...]. Find out why it is used and how to use it.

MuttleyLaff:
"Wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; and I will give thee riches, and wealth, and honour, such as none of the kings have had that have been before thee, neither shall there any after thee have the like."
- 2 Chronicles 1:12

"And king Solomon passed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom."
- 2 Chronicles 9:22

"Wisdom is of utmost importance, therefore get wisdom, and with all your effort work to acquire understanding."
- Proverbs 4:7

Who are these guys mentioned the original post compared with King Solomon, hmm?

King Solomon, inarguably the man with the most sense and common sense and sense wiseness, that ever lived, who started well in 2 Chronicles 1:12, but on getting towards the end of his life, finished badly erhn, when wisdom that was first and in the forefront, as in, a most important first position in his life, got being relegated to the last, by the time we reached reading 2 Chronicles 9:22, hmm?

Nobaga, with any iota of sense wiseness, relegates wisdom to the last. Do it at your peril.

It wasnt money, power, riches and wealth that corrupted King Solomon, it was the lack of appreciating sense wiseness and not anymore embracing wisdom, as the most important thing.

Imagine u have 1 billion in the bank and 1000 women swooning at u...
Why do u think holy men avoid money and material possessions

PoliteActivist:
Imagine u have 1 billion in the bank and 1000 women swooning at u...
Why do u think holy men avoid money and material possessions

Every believer is entitled to money and material possessions, this is the reason why God blessed King Solomon with riches, and wealth, and honour as a secondary. Wisdom and knowledge are first, when holy men stick to wisdom and knowledge, there wont be an abuse of position, money and material possessions, even if you have 1.1 billion in the bank and 1001 women swooning at your feet.

Always run away from temptations and quickly, so they dont catch up to you. The devil tempts all men, and idle men, even let the devil tempt them. He who cannot resist temptation is not a real man.

Oche211:

lolz.....
Agbaya

Mumunatu

Anas09:
Mumunatu

lolz... E pain am

MuttleyLaff:
They see clearly but don't perceive. They read clearly but don't understand.

This is your problem, inability to get understanding. Let me tell you about wisdom. Wisdom, means, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God.

Now if King Solomon, who inarguably, is the wisest man who ever lived, messed up by relegating wisdom to the last, who are these men who come after King Solomon that Yesufu aka VBCampaign mentioned, hmm?. There is no comparison because it wasnt money, power, riches and wealth that corrupted King Solomon, it was the lack of appreciating sense wiseness and not anymore embracing wisdom, as the most important thing. Whether you are a Biodun Fatoyinbo, Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, or Enoch Adeboye wisdom is supreme, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God, is the principal thing.

The first time I argued with him, this was exactly what I noticed about him - difficulty in understanding even simplest matters. There's no point engaging this dude in any serious matter let alone spiritual realities.

UceeGod:
The first time I argued with him, this was exactly what I noticed about him - difficulty in understanding even simplest matters. There's no point engaging this dude in any serious matter let alone spiritual realities.

Fyi, Anas09, is a her and not a him.

No be small thing ooo, her "gra-gra" na first grade and when she doesnt have her way, she'll turn it into rough rough or drop mata like hin dey hot, as if nah hot potato. She bin just like "Alfa Imam wey no get biabia, prophet wey no sabi God"

MuttleyLaff:
Every believer is entitled to money and material possessions, this is the reason why God blessed King Solomon with riches, and wealth, and honour as a secondary. Wisdom and knowledge are first, when holy men stick to wisdom and knowledge, there wont be an abuse of position, money and material possessions, even if you have 1.1 billion in the bank and 1001 women swooning at your feet.

Always run away from temptations and quickly, so they dont catch up to you. The devil tempts all men, and idle men, even let the devil tempt them. He who cannot resist temptation is not a real man.

Men are not designed to resist temptation, that's why the prayer is "lead us not into temptation" NOT "help us resist temptation". Sex drive, for example, is a premodial, very powerful urge. The only way to fight it is preemptively - keep away from people and situations that can lead to it. That means avoiding being alone with people u find sexually attractive