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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:05am On Jul 16, 2019
forgiveness:


As a plan B from the start of the game.

You cannot get to the semi-final of a competition and chose to change the set-up that has brought you that far. This is basic coaching rudiment.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:05am On Jul 16, 2019
Icon4s:


We are talking about the AFCON you are talking about one friendly we played against Zimbabwe.
Do you know what is called tournament form? Sorry, Balogun, just like Mikel did not have it in this AFCON. Forget about previous competitions.

At the semi-final stage players are fielded based on how they had performed up till that moment in the tournament.

So, Balogun didn't play well against Guinea?

I don't think one match was enough to crucify Mikel and Balogun.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:06am On Jul 16, 2019
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Why take Mikel Obi to the tournament if he can't find a way to use him?

I am not saying he should have started Mikel oooo.

Didn't he play Mikel at all?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:08am On Jul 16, 2019
Icon4s:


You cannot get to the semi-final of a competition and chose to change the set-up that has brought you that far. This is basic coaching rudiment.

Na lie. Chelsea won the UEFA Champions league after they changed the tactics to park the bus against Barcelona and Bayern Munich.

You can start with the set up but you must have plan B if it doesn't work. That level is beyond the rudiment of coaching.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 11:09am On Jul 16, 2019
daveP:
Isnt it major knowledge that a half fit uzoho is better than the current akpeyi aka fraidycat?

That freekick cannot pass Uzoho and defenders need not protect uzoho or worry about his positioning during setpieces.


Overall uzoho organizes his wall instead of stand directly behind it. grin

Lol bros akpeyi matter tire me

If I begin complain Na now till next year I go complain,so I just keep shut and hope for the best since the starting of the tournament
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:09am On Jul 16, 2019
Icon4s:


Didn't he play Mikel at all?

grin you watch the tournament at all? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:10am On Jul 16, 2019
Curtisaxel7:


Has Mikel played a single game as a CM in this tourney?. How then can you rate a player's performance when he is played out of position?.

As far as I am concerned, Rohr is responsible for Mikel's poor show at this AFCON. It is clear even to the blind since the Croatia game at the WC that Mikel is no longer a no. 10. Yet Rohr insisted on playing him there and then dumping him on the bench for "not performing". What was he expecting?. How would Etebo perform if played as a CF or goalkeeper?.

The last game Mikel played as a CM for us was in his man-of-the-match performance against Zimbabwe. I strongly suggest you go rewatch that game to fully appreciate the quality of Mikel in his natural position. See the beautiful quick one-two passes with Iwobi. See the brilliant ball controls. See the midfield organization. See the flair. See the finesse. See the beauty. If not for the heavy rain and perhaps Onuachu, we would've put at least 3 goals into the Zimbabwean net.

Mikel as a CM was our key to beautiful football at this AFCON, but trust Rohr, the chief carpenter, to pick one of his co-tradesmen grin.

Did you watch Mikel's form against Burundi and Madagascar? He has lost touch. Even if you play him in the CM position it will still be a problem.

Etebo has been one of our best performing players in the tourney, he has played 90mins of all games. And you get to the semi-final, to play a very tough Algerian side and you bench him for a Mikel who we know has completely lost steam? Who does that?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:11am On Jul 16, 2019
forgiveness:


grin you watch the tournament at all? grin

Oga, Mikel played against Burundi and Madasgar. Why are you talking as if he was not played at all?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:15am On Jul 16, 2019
forgiveness:


Na lie. Chelsea won the UEFA Champions league after they changed the tactics to park the bus against Barcelona and Bayern Munich.

You can start with the set up but you must have plan B if it doesn't work. That level is beyond the rudiment of coaching.

Mtchew, you no get talk abeg.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:17am On Jul 16, 2019
Rohr should have...Rohr could have...why didn't Rohr start....

Hindsight analysts everywhere. undecided

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:21am On Jul 16, 2019
Icon4s:


Firstly, the primary duty of a defender is to defend. Did you also consider whether Chukwueze also did enough to support Awaziem? Look you played Algeria who are the best attacking team in this tournament.

A full back should be more engaged in checking the advancement of the opposing wingers than adventuring forward. Chukwueze not living up to expectations in that game cannot be attributed to Awaziem. The Algerians just pocketed him. Simple. SA did not know how lethal Chukwueze was. His introduction into that game was the joker Rohr used to beat SA.




Was he even defending well in that game?

We needed a RB that has both ability to engage in checking the advancement of the opposing winger and at the same time adventure forward. Awaziem lacked one of these abilities but Aina is equipped with both.

Chukwueze was pocketed because no player to support him one the flank for a one two pass or to make him drift away from his marker.

Chukwueze was marked out with just one defender. A adventuring forward RB will double it to 2 against one. That would have caused them a lot of problem.

Chukwueze supported Awaziem in that game but Awaziem as usual is never adventurous and that his why he relied more one his long balls.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:22am On Jul 16, 2019
Icon4s:


Mtchew, you no get talk abeg.

Is that not fact? Stick to your Arsenal that is one way traffic in tactics. No wonder nothing comes off it. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:23am On Jul 16, 2019
Icon4s:


Oga, Mikel played against Burundi and Madasgar. Why are you talking as if he was not played at all?

Why did you ask me this question then? shocked grin


Icon4s:


Didn't he play Mikel at all?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:45am On Jul 16, 2019
Icon4s:


Bros Amuneke is like a brother to me, not even a friend. Yet, I will not recommend him for the Eagles job.

His team played the worst football in this AFCON. I know Emma very well and his coaching philosophy and he totally lost control after the first half in their first game against Senegal. He came back with his Plan B and it was obvious they spent more time on his plan A. His team never clicked till the final whistle of their last group game.

He is grossly an inexperienced coach.

It takes time to impart the offensive philosophy and we have seen few coaches with inexperience out class the so called experienced ones.

As I said before, the philosophy comes first. Most of the experienced coaches who will likely fit the bill for the job, will definitely lag behind when it comes to the philosophy.

Remember Guardiola's first season was a disaster. It did not mean the team was going in the right direction. With time and support, our players will soak in the knowledge and mount the wings to fly.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:51am On Jul 16, 2019
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Why did you ask me this question then? shocked grin



So you don't understand what "Didn't he play Mikel at all?" Means.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 11:56am On Jul 16, 2019
Glad to see Ebuehi train again.

Rohr would still have started Shehu and Awaziem ahead of him had he made it to AFCON. Such a conservative coach we have.

Can't wait to have him back in the NT. Aina on the Left, Ebuehi on the Right. No better way to solve the Full Back Equation. Rohr might just not use this formula. One of the reasons I want him out. He is Not progressive!

You can check his Instagram page: @Tryoneebuehi_

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 11:57am On Jul 16, 2019
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Was he even defending well in that game?

We needed a RB that has both ability to engage in checking the advancement of the opposing winger and at the same time adventure forward. Awaziem lacked one of these ability but Aina is equipped with both.

Chukwueze was pocketed because no player to support him one the flank for a one two pass or to make him drift away from his marker.

Chukwueze was marked out with just one defender. A adventuring forward RB will double it to 2 against one. That would have caused them a lot of problem.

Chukwueze supported Awaziem in that game but Awaziem as usual is never adventurous and that his why he relied more one his long balls.
Gernot Rohr has to leave for a more intelligent coach, that's the best solution

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:58am On Jul 16, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


It takes time to impart the offensive philosophy and we have seen few coaches with inexperience out class the so called experienced ones.

As I said before, the philosophy comes first. Most of the experienced coaches who will likely fit the bill for the job, will definitely lag behind when it comes to the philosophy.

Remember Guardiola's first season was a disaster. It did not mean the team was going in the right direction. With time and support, our players will soak in the knowledge and mount the wings to fly.

Inexperienced coaches can still do well in a club setting with the right set of players or with a backing to go purchase the right set of players.

Talking about taking long for a coache's philosophy to sink, there is no such time in the national team setting.
You are in a qualifiers group and then u lose ur first two matches and say ur teams philosophy has not sunk, my friend ur team is on its way out of the qualifiers and so is ur job on its way out of ur hands.

Amuneke is not the right man for the Eagles job for now

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 12:00pm On Jul 16, 2019
AIG07:
Glad to see Ebuehi train again.

Rohr would still have started Shehu and Awaziem ahead of him had he made it to AFCON. Such a conservative coach we have.

Can't wait to have him back in the NT. Aina on the Left, Ebuehi on the Right. No better way to solve the Full Back Equation. Rohr might just not use this formula. One of the reasons I want him out. He is Not progressive!
His ability to read games is very poor and he reacts too slow in making tactical changes.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 12:01pm On Jul 16, 2019
AIG07:
Glad to see Ebuehi train again.

Rohr would still have started Shehu and Awaziem ahead of him had he made it to AFCON. Such a conservative coach we have.

Can't wait to have him back in the NT. Aina on the Left, Ebuehi on the Right. No better way to solve the Full Back Equation. Rohr might just not use this formula. One of the reasons I want him out. He is Not progressive!
Nut he's such an injury prone lad.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:01pm On Jul 16, 2019
Icon4s:


Did you watch Mikel's form against Burundi and Madagascar? He has lost touch. Even if you play him in the CM position it will still be a problem.

Etebo has been one of our best performing players in the tourney, he has played 90mins of all games. And you get to the semi-final, to play a very tough Algerian side and you bench him for a Mikel who we know has completely lost steam? Who does that?

I totally disagree. Mikel was played off position and in the right position, he will use his most prized possessions. Vision and reading. In that position where he was played, he was totally hindered.

That is the baffling thing about Rohr that puzzles me. For goodness sake, make positional changes during games. You can make transitions of playing style into games to boost players. Why not move Mikel to a better natural position and see if he does not shine.

But Rohr, no, Mr. Rock of Gibraltar will not make the right moves.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:05pm On Jul 16, 2019
Icon4s:


Inexperienced coaches can still do well in a club setting with the right set of players or with a backing to go purchase the right set of players.

Talking about taking long for a coache's philosophy to sink, there is no such time in the national team setting.
You are in a qualifiers group and then u lose ur first two matches and say ur teams philosophy has not sunk, my friend ur team is on its way out of the qualifiers and so is ur job on its way out of ur hands.

Amuneke is not the right man for the Eagles job for now

I think it was here someone pointed out a team not qualifying for a tournament could mean the team is working towards something big. We need a long term agenda with an offensive footie pattern being the target.

A blip of not qualifying should not be the end of the journey. With lessons learnt and corrections, we can build a formidable side that will wreck havoc to even top teams of the World.

That is why we were so satisfied with Rohr’s conservative system because qualifying was the goal, not building a top sound tactical team.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:14pm On Jul 16, 2019
daveP:



Talk like this is disgusting. Mikel over Etebo. Current Mikel?

What are you even saying.

Etebo has been the most reliable SE player this Afcon. Chai

Etebo has been the most reliable in destroying but what Curtisaxel7 is talking about is cohesive coordinated build up plays. Being a creator of the forward play. Moving Mikel to Central midfield would have giving us a creative balance in build up play which Etebo did not offer to a quality extent.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 12:15pm On Jul 16, 2019
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That's if he still remains the coach. He should be gone by now.

I may change my mind if he's ready to bring in mildfielders into the team and if NFF will sack all those Nigerian assistant coaches and replace them with foreign technical advisers and foreign goalkeeper trainer.
Baba no even wan see any made in Naija coach
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:19pm On Jul 16, 2019
Curtisaxel7:
Mikel should've started that game ahead of Etebo.

Etebo is just a combative box to box hard tackling midfielder. No finesse, no passing abilities, no game control abilities, nothing. Service to our forwards was virtually non existent, courtesy of a dead midfield. Sadly, Mikel who should've been at the heart of the midfield was played out of position a couple of times and then condemned to the bench.

Rohr needs to learn, you don't win a game with tackles alone.

You have a nice point but I think at the end we have to look at the system of the manager. If we were going for expressive and build up plays, control and sublime passes, you above suggestions can work. However, when Rohr set the team to defend, and break down the oppositions play, the selected players fit the bill.

Ighalo will fit the strong forward fighting the defenders and fouling them. Awaziem fits the rough fighting full back. Omeruo and Ekong are harder on the ball than Balogun. Etebo is a more rough tackler than Mikel.

If we were set up to dominate the oppositions in play, that is where the suggestions of Balogun, Mikel will come in.

Unfortunately, Rohr did not set up the team that way.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:23pm On Jul 16, 2019
daveP:
We were just tactically overwhelmed. Thats all. Stop looking for errors in players that took us this far into semis to use as excuse.

The fright of Mahrez is why we need prioritize freekick specialists in SE.


Etebo will continue taking free kicks for us no matter who coaches. His improvement in that department is glaring. I hope he gets to take more at club level to help his growth.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:37pm On Jul 16, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


I totally disagree. Mikel was played off position and in the right position, he will use his most prized possessions. Vision and reading. In that position where he was played, he was totally hindered.

That is the baffling thing about Rohr that puzzles me. For goodness sake, make positional changes during games. You can make transitions of playing style into games to boost players. Why not move Mikel to a better natural position and see if he does not shine.

But Rohr, no, Mr. Rock of Gibraltar will not make the right moves.

Mikel has lost steam. It is not about whether playing him as an AM or a CM. Do you also think should have played him against Algeria and not Etebo?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 12:38pm On Jul 16, 2019
Any feelers on tomorrow's game? Already getting jittery o, hope say we emerge the best loser tomorrow in the loser''s final. Cos those Tunisians are very good and compact o, na dem comet demselves from final with their unfortunate own goal. Also hope our boys are practising penalties too. Tomorrow's losers final is a must win so we can add to our bronze collection.

Go Eagles, soar high!!!!

I never see formation for the game tomorrow, please drop it like it's hot.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:39pm On Jul 16, 2019
I do not dislike the player either. My reasons are still valid. Are u the one saying the moniker was crazy? Shehu won’t have made any impact in that match. Period. Stop catching feelings
BascoVanVeli:


Stop changing my words I said you don't like the player nothing was mentioned about hate. Nobody asked you to make a call for anybody. Someone else made the call and you were acting like the person was crazy.

Shehu has had more good games than bad. In fact I can't name a bad game he has had apart from maybe the Argentina friendly. All you people said "Shehu never goes forward but Awaziem played basically the same way and you are like what a great player so disciplined.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:40pm On Jul 16, 2019
GBAM
daveP:
We were just tactically overwhelmed. Thats all. Stop looking for errors in players that took us this far into semis to use as excuse.

The fright of Mahrez is why we need prioritize freekick specialists in SE.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:47pm On Jul 16, 2019
Rohr no be magician. If he do this one, e no work. He should have done that one. If he do that one, e no work. Dem go say he should have done this one. People will be recommending average players like say the players for score long range free kick. grin


Icon4s:
Rohr should have...Rohr could have...why didn't Rohr start....

Hindsight analysts everywhere. undecided
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 12:48pm On Jul 16, 2019
forgiveness:


Na lie. Chelsea won the UEFA Champions league after they changed the tactics to park the bus against Barcelona and Bayern Munich.

You can start with the set up but you must have plan B if it doesn't work. That level is beyond the rudiment of coaching.
huh! we talking national team you talking club side

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